oscar still sucks

[wetwillie]

You dirty rotten SOB

[DQ12]

"oscar has never won a tournament game"

"oscar has never got to the round of 32"

"oscar's kenpom finishes haven't been great."

[Cire]

This tournament was a fluke.


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[catastrophe]

And South Carolina’s wasn’t?

[wetwillie]

the whole knock on oscar was that he can’t win tournament games, then he wins 3 of them in one year and the narrative becomes it was a fluke. 

[michigancat]

the whole knock on oscar was that he can’t win tournament games, then he wins 3 of them in one year and the narrative becomes it was a fluke.

That wasn't the whole knock on oscar.

[michigancat]

And South Carolina’s wasn’t?

Look who they beat and compare it to who oscar beat

[wetwillie]

the whole knock on oscar was that he can’t win tournament games, then he wins 3 of them in one year and the narrative becomes it was a fluke.

That wasn't the whole knock on oscar.

What else? 

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

There's literally nothing he could do to convince some of these fellas, short of winning the tournament (obv winning the big12 wasn't enough).

[michigancat]

the whole knock on oscar was that he can’t win tournament games, then he wins 3 of them in one year and the narrative becomes it was a fluke.

That wasn't the whole knock on oscar.

What else?

Do you honestly think the lack of tournament wins was his only fault?

He's just an average coach. We've been a bubble team or worse for five straight seasons. Next year we should be safely in the tournament, but we won't contend for a conference title and probably never will again with oscar. Ugly offense, his players play scared half the time, he recruits great athletes but doesn't let them run, and he needs to modernize his defensive strategy to give up fewer threes. Along with the impossible to quantify inconsistent effort.

He's just ok overall and that's definitely enough to coach at KSU forever but that doesn't mean I need to like his style or think a different coach couldn't do better.

[michigancat]

There's literally nothing he could do to convince some of these fellas, short of winning the tournament (obv winning the big12 wasn't enough).

Do you think oscar will win the Big 12 again?

[Rage Against the McKee]

the whole knock on oscar was that he can’t win tournament games, then he wins 3 of them in one year and the narrative becomes it was a fluke.

Earning a 9 seed and then playing the same competition a 1 seed would play all the way to the elite 8 is definitely a fluke.

[catastrophe]

No I see what they’re saying WW. These guys don’t just want tournament wins, they want to win the right way. True KSU fans.

[Rage Against the McKee]

No I see what they’re saying WW. These guys don’t just want tournament wins, they want to win the right way. True KSU fans.

Being able to somehow, some way, beat an 11 seed with a final 4 appearance on the line would have been nice.

[michigancat]

No I see what they’re saying WW. These guys don’t just want tournament wins, they want to win the right way. True KSU fans.

I've always said tournament runs are poor ways to evaluate coaches.

['taterblast]

my hatred of oscar was always because of a CERTAINTY i had that his teams would never be good enough to do anything meaningful in the tournament. he has proven me wrong with reason for optimism in the future.

[Cire]

No I see what they’re saying WW. These guys don’t just want tournament wins, they want to win the right way. True KSU fans.

I've always said tournament runs are poor ways to evaluate coaches.

Final fours and elite 8s are

Playing to seed more often than not is fair


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[wetwillie]

the whole knock on oscar was that he can’t win tournament games, then he wins 3 of them in one year and the narrative becomes it was a fluke.

Earning a 9 seed and then playing the same competition a 1 seed would play all the way to the elite 8 is definitely a fluke.

So is losing to la salle as a 3 seed in the sprint center.  The tournament is a single elimination crap shoot.  Most (all?) of the HBIQ posters on this blog site have brought up how you perform in your conference as the most accurate measure of success.  He has been like maybe a few games above .500 in conference in 6 years so you can certainly say that’s not up to your standards if you wish.

[michigancat]

my hatred of oscar was always because of a CERTAINTY i had that his teams would never be good enough to do anything meaningful in the tournament. he has proven me wrong with reason for optimism in the future.

All his teams were good enough to make this run if it had been presented. Except maybe 2016.

[Rage Against the McKee]

my hatred of oscar was always because of a CERTAINTY i had that his teams would never be good enough to do anything meaningful in the tournament. he has proven me wrong with reason for optimism in the future.

He had a meaningful run, but there is no reason for optimism there will be more elite 8 runs unless you think he's going to start consistently earning 1 or 2 seeds.

[michigancat]

the whole knock on oscar was that he can’t win tournament games, then he wins 3 of them in one year and the narrative becomes it was a fluke.

Earning a 9 seed and then playing the same competition a 1 seed would play all the way to the elite 8 is definitely a fluke.

So is losing to la salle as a 3 seed in the sprint center.  The tournament is a single elimination crap shoot.  Most (all?) of the HBIQ posters on this blog site have brought up how you perform in your conference as the most accurate measure of success.  He has been like maybe a few games above .500 in conference in 6 years so you can certainly say that’s not up to your standards if you wish.

Absolutely that loss was a fluke. If he'd had 3 seeds consistently I'd have expected him to make the sweet 16 a couple times.

[catastrophe]

No I see what they’re saying WW. These guys don’t just want tournament wins, they want to win the right way. True KSU fans.

Being able to somehow, some way, beat an 11 seed with a final 4 appearance on the line would have been nice.

It would have been fantastic. It just turns out to be pretty hard to win consecutive games against good competition regardless of whether you’re playing #20 in the country or #40.

['taterblast]

my hatred of oscar was always because of a CERTAINTY i had that his teams would never be good enough to do anything meaningful in the tournament. he has proven me wrong with reason for optimism in the future.

He had a meaningful run, but there is no reason for optimism there will be more elite 8 runs unless you think he's going to start consistently earning 1 or 2 seeds.

i think we can be in the 2-4 seed range next year and will be disappointed if we're not.

[michigancat]

my hatred of oscar was always because of a CERTAINTY i had that his teams would never be good enough to do anything meaningful in the tournament. he has proven me wrong with reason for optimism in the future.

He had a meaningful run, but there is no reason for optimism there will be more elite 8 runs unless you think he's going to start consistently earning 1 or 2 seeds.

i think we can be in the 2-4 seed range next year and will be disappointed if we're not.

Yikes

[Pete]

my hatred of oscar was always because of a CERTAINTY i had that his teams would never be good enough to do anything meaningful in the tournament. he has proven me wrong with reason for optimism in the future.

He had a meaningful run, but there is no reason for optimism there will be more elite 8 runs unless you think he's going to start consistently earning 1 or 2 seeds.

i think we can be in the 2-4 seed range next year and will be disappointed if we're not.

Yikes

I suspect that would require finishing at least third in the conference and being flawless in a very week non-con.  Is that the expectation that any of you have for next year?  Not judging one way or the other, just want to know if that’s what folks are expecting...