2020 presidential candidate 'crats

[8manpick]

To be clear, I don’t think Yang is a moderate

[catastrophe]

I don’t think any of the Dem candidates are moderate other than Biden. Some are more moderate than others tho.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I don’t think any of the Dem candidates are moderate other than Biden. Some are more moderate than others tho.

All of the candidates but Sanders and Warren are pretty moderate, imo.

[catastrophe]

They mainly seem moderate because of Sanders and Warren. Bernie did a lot to pull the Democratic platform to the left in 2016.

[Rage Against the McKee]

They mainly seem moderate because of Sanders and Warren. Bernie did a lot to pull the Democratic platform to the left in 2016.

Maybe they just look left of moderate because the right is holding kids in detention centers and calling klansmen good people.

[catastrophe]

You’re not wrong

[Kat Kid]

a cabinet of actual smart people 

Elections should be set up in a way where when it gets down to a few, they have to commit to who their team will be.  That would then allow them to be honest about what they don't know crap about but be able to point to who their person is for that stuff.

The British do this, they call it a "shadow cabinet" and they limit the election to like 6 weeks. We need a parliamentary system and their election rules.

[Trim]

a cabinet of actual smart people 

Elections should be set up in a way where when it gets down to a few, they have to commit to who their team will be.  That would then allow them to be honest about what they don't know crap about but be able to point to who their person is for that stuff.

The British do this, they call it a "shadow cabinet" and they limit the election to like 6 weeks. We need a parliamentary system and their election rules.

We kind of do it here with respect to hiring or opining on head coaches based on what their staff will consist of.

[catastrophe]

a cabinet of actual smart people 

Elections should be set up in a way where when it gets down to a few, they have to commit to who their team will be.  That would then allow them to be honest about what they don't know crap about but be able to point to who their person is for that stuff.

The British do this, they call it a "shadow cabinet" and they limit the election to like 6 weeks. We need a parliamentary system and their election rules.

I don’t think there’s any evidence that their system produces better results.

[Kat Kid]

a cabinet of actual smart people 

Elections should be set up in a way where when it gets down to a few, they have to commit to who their team will be.  That would then allow them to be honest about what they don't know crap about but be able to point to who their person is for that stuff.

The British do this, they call it a "shadow cabinet" and they limit the election to like 6 weeks. We need a parliamentary system and their election rules.

I don’t think there’s any evidence that their system produces better results.

It is certainly more transparent.

[MakeItRain]

I don’t know why he would, I’m making fun of Pete as much as I’m making fun of people being mad about Pete


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Catastrophe is a moron. He refuses to believe that Pete being deceptive is why anyone cares about this, no one actually cares about McKinsey.

Just a little mom and pop firm, nothing to see here. Some posters have done some work with McKinsey clients, so they're good.

https://twitter.com/propublica/status/1205902893284347904

 

lol, eff context

I quoted the whole entire post

Pro Publica published that article because of Pete. This message board is 11 years old, the word McKinsey didn't appear until a month ago.

Well no crap. And you posted the article because you let yourself fall for the same stupid talking point since you already disliked Pete.

I already disliked Pete? Interesting, this makes your clumsy defense of him make a bit more sense. I don't dislike Pete, I simply don't trust him, there's a difference. I literally defended him on the previous page. He campaigned for Obama in Iowa before anyone knew who he was, I don't doubt he's a liberal. I want him to stop with the everyman act, he's the only candidate left doing it and I can't help think it's because of immaturity or naivete.

You're also wrong as to my motivation for posting the article, I've told you a half dozen times. Either you're too stupid to understand or you're just being dishonest, which is definitely the case, so I'm just not going to discuss it with you anymore. I am discussing how he's changed how he formed the nature of what he did there, you want to have a discussion about what the firm is, I'm not interested in having that conversation as it's completely irrelevant to my point.

[MakeItRain]

Outside of the UBI business (which has no chance of happening in the next 10 years), Yang is pretty moderate. I know this because that was my #1 match on isidewith, and I’m basically the Dax of moderates on this board.

His policy positions on his website and the positions he's taken during debates say otherwise. I don't know how you could possibly be moderate while supporting ubi, kinda informs everything else.

Yang’s views are pretty radical, but UBI is the only thing off the top of my head which I would consider as far left. He doesn’t fit neatly on an L to R line

Yeah pretty much this. MIR is conflating moderate with conservative. When I use it I’m conflating it more with being independent.

There's nothing I said in those two sentences that should have led you to this conclusion.

[catastrophe]

You're also wrong as to my motivation for posting the article, I've told you a half dozen times. Either you're too stupid to understand or you're just being dishonest, which is definitely the case, so I'm just not going to discuss it with you anymore. I am discussing how he's changed how he formed the nature of what he did there, you want to have a discussion about what the firm is, I'm not interested in having that conversation as it's completely irrelevant to my point.

What part of the article you posted supports this point?

[michigancat]

Actually I think Warren is the same but she's chosen a path and is also loosely strapped to it. I like Pete's flexibility. Bernie is not budging from his line and I respect that but won't vote for it because his line sucks.

If Bernie is the candidate I will vote for him because he is still better than Trump.

No crap. But I'll also start doing illegal crap with my money.

like how much money do you estimate a bernie presidency would cost you if you wouldn't do something illegal with it?

[Institutional Control]

we've got two sexy ass moderates left.

Biden: Bad because he's old AF.
Pete: Bad because he's inexperienced AF.
Both are bad because they have no real policy positions imo. Joe is at least strapped to his (some anyway) by his years of positioning himself on the issues.

Of the two I guess I'd lean Pete because I'm basically fine with a cabinet of actual smart people mining data to find the best/most well received policies. I'd probably run on that and not pick a policy position as you go because you should be honest with those voting for you that you may change that position soon depending on how the next twitter poll comes out.

Is Cory Booker not moderate?



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[Kat Kid]

Actually I think Warren is the same but she's chosen a path and is also loosely strapped to it. I like Pete's flexibility. Bernie is not budging from his line and I respect that but won't vote for it because his line sucks.

If Bernie is the candidate I will vote for him because he is still better than Trump.

No crap. But I'll also start doing illegal crap with my money.

like how much money do you estimate a bernie presidency would cost you if you wouldn't do something illegal with it?

Please measure in Disney trips.

[steve dave]

Actually I think Warren is the same but she's chosen a path and is also loosely strapped to it. I like Pete's flexibility. Bernie is not budging from his line and I respect that but won't vote for it because his line sucks.

If Bernie is the candidate I will vote for him because he is still better than Trump.

No crap. But I'll also start doing illegal crap with my money.

like how much money do you estimate a bernie presidency would cost you if you wouldn't do something illegal with it?

Please measure in Disney trips.

1 Disney trip per based on net income. And an additional 20 Disney trips for impact to my retirement age.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[catastrophe]

Yeah I don’t think Bernie’s single payer system would necessarily cost me more when balancing taxes vs health care costs, but taking away my tax shelter HSA would be quite a blow.

[michigancat]

Yeah I don’t think Bernie’s single payer system would necessarily cost me more when balancing taxes vs health care costs, but taking away my tax shelter HSA would be quite a blow.

Holy crap how much do you have in an HSA and what do you think will happen to it

[catastrophe]

It’s not that much right now, but if I keep putting in the max it will be in 30 years.

[chum1]

It’s not that much right now, but if I keep putting in the max it will be in 30 years.

You know you have to spend that tax free money on healthcare, right? Sounds like Bernie might give you a good opportunity to find a better loophole.

[steve dave]

no you don't

[chum1]

no you don't

In the beginning, HSA administrators verified purchases. That was a while ago, though.

[catastrophe]

no you don't

In the beginning, HSA administrators verified purchases. That was a while ago, though.

I don’t want to muck up the thread, but this is a passion of mine, so just two points here:

1. If I pay healthcare costs out of pocket now, I can reimburse later down the road and let the (invested) HSA funds grow tax free in the interim.

2. After like age 60 (or something) HSAs basically convert into IRAs.

[catastrophe]

#3 is I’m sure I’m gonna have plenty of healthcare expenses in retirement anyway, so having an account dedicated to covering those expenses is still a pretty major part of a retirement plan.