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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #3825 on: November 26, 2019, 10:09:40 PM »
things will very likely change, but no, i don't think it is mostly name recognition.

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #3826 on: November 26, 2019, 11:07:48 PM »
I don't think Pete would be that high if it was all name recognition

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« Reply #3827 on: November 26, 2019, 11:08:02 PM »
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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #3828 on: November 26, 2019, 11:38:08 PM »
This is still (mostly) name recognition at this point, right? There's no way that many people want Sanders to be President...right? Things will start to get interesting after the first primaries.

Self described liberals have two choices, why wouldn't we be interested in the father of the modern progressive movement? It doesn't help that the two moderates in the race are treating liberals as if we're a pox on the party.

The only reason I'm not going to caucus for Sanders is because of his health. I do think he's more electable, because for some reason the anti-establishment voter connects to him stronger than they do Warren, which is baffling to me.

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #3829 on: November 26, 2019, 11:44:38 PM »
things will very likely change, but no, i don't think it is mostly name recognition.

Thank you, self-appointed expert.

you had one of these "?" terminating your sentence.
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« Reply #3830 on: November 26, 2019, 11:47:18 PM »
I am fully on the #YangGang, even though it is a lost cause

Don't be so sure. Everyone keeps pointing to where Obama was at this point in '07. If that person exists it will be Yang. His campaign is the only one right now that can match the energy of Pete's, he'll need to turn than energy into a strong, organized ground game, who'll work their asses off to get the word out instead of walking around cosplaying. He's also starting to spend quite a bit of money here. I think his play to go after msnbc was good because it will make the moderators of the December debate more aware of slighting him. That's if he makes the debate, he's close but isn't polling well enough yet. If he doesn't make it the DNC should be flogged, as he's clearly viable. There's also this

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/28/bernie-sanders-andrew-yang-gang-2020-057985

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #3831 on: November 26, 2019, 11:51:49 PM »
yang spent the most money on tv in iowa of any of the candidates, which was definitely a surprise to me.


not agreeing with the idea that he's a viable or legit candidate, btw.  just commenting on the ads.
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« Reply #3832 on: November 26, 2019, 11:56:23 PM »
yang spent the most money on tv in iowa of any of the candidates, which was definitely a surprise to me.


not agreeing with the idea that he's a viable or legit candidate, btw.  just commenting on the ads.

Really? Either he purchased them to appear en masse after Thanksgiving or he just didn't spend as well as Pete did. Pete's ads are all over the place, it's stunning.

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« Reply #3833 on: November 26, 2019, 11:59:12 PM »
that's interesting.

buttigieg was 2nd.  i don't want to go looking for the tweet, but yang was just over 500k, buttigieg and sanders just under 500k.  biden and warren were at around 200k.
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« Reply #3834 on: November 27, 2019, 12:01:28 AM »
that was just for this week, btw.  i dunno if maybe buttigieg has been spending at that level for a while and yang just started or what.
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« Reply #3835 on: November 27, 2019, 12:26:03 AM »
that was just for this week, btw.  i dunno if maybe buttigieg has been spending at that level for a while and yang just started or what.

That makes a lot more sense. Buttigieg's ad buys went way up after the Liberty and Justice Dinner, and he had a couple of weeks all to himself. Yang just started to appear this week.

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #3836 on: November 27, 2019, 01:00:21 AM »
This is still (mostly) name recognition at this point, right? There's no way that many people want Sanders to be President...right? Things will start to get interesting after the first primaries.

Self described liberals have two choices, why wouldn't we be interested in the father of the modern progressive movement? It doesn't help that the two moderates in the race are treating liberals as if we're a pox on the party.

The only reason I'm not going to caucus for Sanders is because of his health. I do think he's more electable, because for some reason the anti-establishment voter connects to him stronger than they do Warren, which is baffling to me.
I mean you seem to see a difference between Bernie and Liz and maybe the anti-establishment folks think Bernie's health is worth what he brings  with policy relative to Liz.

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« Reply #3837 on: November 27, 2019, 02:18:42 AM »
This is still (mostly) name recognition at this point, right? There's no way that many people want Sanders to be President...right? Things will start to get interesting after the first primaries.

Self described liberals have two choices, why wouldn't we be interested in the father of the modern progressive movement? It doesn't help that the two moderates in the race are treating liberals as if we're a pox on the party.

The only reason I'm not going to caucus for Sanders is because of his health. I do think he's more electable, because for some reason the anti-establishment voter connects to him stronger than they do Warren, which is baffling to me.
I mean you seem to see a difference between Bernie and Liz and maybe the anti-establishment folks think Bernie's health is worth what he brings  with policy relative to Liz.

I don't see the least bit of policy difference and neither does Bernie. He always answers, "well for starters she says she is a capitalist," then never actually points out any policy differences. Some ardent Bernie Bros on twitter hates Warren because "her ideas are stolen."

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #3838 on: November 27, 2019, 06:42:14 AM »
I don't think Pete would be that high if it was all name recognition

Wouldn't Iowa's polling and Pete's early spending in that state tend to say, yes name recognition is certainly a big factor. Or do you see that differently?

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #3839 on: November 27, 2019, 07:08:18 AM »
I am fully on the #YangGang, even though it is a lost cause

Don't be so sure. Everyone keeps pointing to where Obama was at this point in '07. If that person exists it will be Yang. His campaign is the only one right now that can match the energy of Pete's, he'll need to turn than energy into a strong, organized ground game, who'll work their asses off to get the word out instead of walking around cosplaying. He's also starting to spend quite a bit of money here. I think his play to go after msnbc was good because it will make the moderators of the December debate more aware of slighting him. That's if he makes the debate, he's close but isn't polling well enough yet. If he doesn't make it the DNC should be flogged, as he's clearly viable. There's also this

https://www.politico.com/news/2019/10/28/bernie-sanders-andrew-yang-gang-2020-057985

I hope so. I made my first presidential campaign contribution this week in hopes of helping him qualify for the debate. I’ve really enjoyed Yang in long form interviews on podcasts, but he isn’t all that well equipped to make a splash with 2 minutes of talking time over 2 hours. Not that anyone is.

That’s an interesting article, I think the anti-establishment lane connection for Sanders and Yang is real.
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« Reply #3840 on: November 27, 2019, 09:00:04 AM »
Yeah their policies aren’t really aligned, but the one thing Yang and Sanders definitely share is coming off as genuine in their beliefs. It’s really tough to feel that way about most politicians. I legit think Sanders was the only one on either side of the 2016 field.

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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #3841 on: November 27, 2019, 09:58:28 AM »
Regardless of whether or not you consider what she said a lie, it's kind of funny that Warren's kid attended a private school.

How so?
I mean, at surface level (which is as far as I've gone on this), that move falls pretty far to the right on the socialist/capitalist spectrum -- which is unexpected given how far to the left on that spectrum Warren falls on most other issues. 



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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #3842 on: November 27, 2019, 10:22:01 AM »
Regardless of whether or not you consider what she said a lie, it's kind of funny that Warren's kid attended a private school.

How so?
I mean, at surface level (which is as far as I've gone on this), that move falls pretty far to the right on the socialist/capitalist spectrum -- which is unexpected given how far to the left on that spectrum Warren falls on most other issues.
I’m not sure about that. It’s like the (dumb) criticism of Bernie for being rich. You can advocate for changes in policies you think will bring societal good while availing yourself of the best available options in the current society.  You can think that public schools would be better if there were no private schools, but still send your kids to private school to get the best education under the current system.
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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #3843 on: November 27, 2019, 10:26:14 AM »
Regardless of whether or not you consider what she said a lie, it's kind of funny that Warren's kid attended a private school.

How so?
I mean, at surface level (which is as far as I've gone on this), that move falls pretty far to the right on the socialist/capitalist spectrum -- which is unexpected given how far to the left on that spectrum Warren falls on most other issues.
I’m not sure about that. It’s like the (dumb) criticism of Bernie for being rich. You can advocate for changes in policies you think will bring societal good while availing yourself of the best available options in the current society.  You can think that public schools would be better if there were no private schools, but still send your kids to private school to get the best education under the current system.
Yeah I wasn't trying to do a deep dive of it.  It's like when Trump's MAGA hats were being made in China.  I just think it's funny.  I also think it's funny that she isn't being completely forthright about it. 

All that said, IDGAF about it.  It's a non-issue.
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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #3844 on: November 27, 2019, 11:27:21 AM »
She used to be a Pub iirc


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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #3845 on: November 27, 2019, 12:36:59 PM »
She's one weird bitch, does that matter.  :dunno:
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« Reply #3846 on: November 27, 2019, 12:59:29 PM »
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« Reply #3847 on: November 27, 2019, 01:12:29 PM »
I like katdaddy’s “say what he thinks” outlook. No filter. Freeballin’ life.


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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #3848 on: November 27, 2019, 01:25:09 PM »
Maybe run cool AF Hunter instead of his old AF dad?




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Re: 2020 presidential candidate 'crats
« Reply #3849 on: November 27, 2019, 01:49:33 PM »
lol, that’s just down the street from the chiefs watch bar in DC. I actually went in after we beat the Ravens and smoked some crack with Hunter!
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