Bossi talks to Meek about Frank's recruiting philosophy

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No, it's his lack of point guard skills mean that.  He's not the greatest ball handler and not a good passer.  Pullen is a HS 1, college 2, and not an NBA player at all.  Very typical.

remember when jeffrey attacked clemente for not being a good ball handler, and pissclams got excited because he hated clemente?  fun times in embarrassing moments for elite posters.

remember when clams told me that kstate would be better w/out clemente? good times.

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Are people actually assuming that Pullen will play PG next year?  That's not where he's best.

this is the most Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) phog/gpc/goEMAW talking point available for 2010-2011.  just because pullen is good at hitting 3s coming off picks doesn't mean he's not a pg.

No, it's his lack of point guard skills mean that.  He's not the greatest ball handler and not a good passer.  Pullen is a HS 1, college 2, and not an NBA player at all.  Very typical.

Pullen is a great passer.  His problem is that he tries to force it a little too much some times, which is a discipline issue and not an ability issue.  Passing discipline is easily worked on.

Irving did do his job last year.  However his job was to not shazbot! up too bad while Denis was catching a 60-90sec wind.  When he had the ball it looked like he was always chasing it or that he was just approaching out of control(not the good Denis fast-as-hell and doesn't-matter-if-he-loses-it-a-little-because-no-one-can-catch-him out of control).  SD may be right as far as it being a confidence thing, but there def is something.  

[sys]

So, Frank will have Pullen push the ball up the floor so that he can kick it out to Irving?  Or maybe he is going to either change his philsophy or his love of Irving?

maybe pullen will shoot off the break?  or maybe pass to a big?  lots of hypotheticals.

[michigancat]

http://www.ksufans.com/forums/index.php?topic=13343.msg160056#msg160056

[michigancat]

So, Frank will have Pullen push the ball up the floor so that he can kick it out to Irving?  Or maybe he is going to either change his philsophy or his love of Irving?

maybe pullen will shoot off the break?  or maybe pass to a big?  lots of hypotheticals.

point guards are not allowed to shoot.  period.

[CNS]

So, Frank will have Pullen push the ball up the floor so that he can kick it out to Irving?  Or maybe he is going to either change his philsophy or his love of Irving?

maybe pullen will shoot off the break?  or maybe pass to a big?  lots of hypotheticals.

I think the pass to a big option is prolly the one that we will see.  We already use a big as a trailer, who receives the first pass at the top of the arc.  Diff maybe that we actually look to the post from the top of the arc as a first option, rather than getting rid of it back to a wing as fast as humanely possible.

[CNS]

So, Frank will have Pullen push the ball up the floor so that he can kick it out to Irving?  Or maybe he is going to either change his philsophy or his love of Irving?

maybe pullen will shoot off the break?  or maybe pass to a big?  lots of hypotheticals.

point guards are not allowed to shoot.  period.

Once crossing half court, everyone is a combo guard according to Frank.

[chum1]

So, Frank will have Pullen push the ball up the floor so that he can kick it out to Irving?  Or maybe he is going to either change his philsophy or his love of Irving?

maybe pullen will shoot off the break?  or maybe pass to a big?  lots of hypotheticals.

point guards are not allowed to shoot.  period.

The point is that Irving is wothless on offense if he's not the one pushing the ball.  Pullen is not good enough to be a one man backcourt.

[CNS]

So, Frank will have Pullen push the ball up the floor so that he can kick it out to Irving?  Or maybe he is going to either change his philsophy or his love of Irving?

maybe pullen will shoot off the break?  or maybe pass to a big?  lots of hypotheticals.

point guards are not allowed to shoot.  period.

The point is that Irving is wothless on offense if he's not the one pushing the ball.  Pullen is not good enough to be a one man backcourt.

This is definitely the main hurdle for Frank and staff this off season.  They have to find a way to make him productive.  You cannot hide a kid at the PG position.  If Lu was a PG, he never would have seen the floor for a D1 school.

[sys]

The point is that Irving is wothless on offense if he's not the one pushing the ball.  Pullen is not good enough to be a one man backcourt.

hopefully irving doesn't get any minutes next year.  i think everyone is on board with that.

[kso_FAN]

Pullen is a great passer.  His problem is that he tries to force it a little too much some times, which is a discipline issue and not an ability issue.  Passing discipline is easily worked on.

Irving did do his job last year.  However his job was to not shazbot! up too bad while Denis was catching a 60-90sec wind.  When he had the ball it looked like he was always chasing it or that he was just approaching out of control(not the good Denis fast-as-hell and doesn't-matter-if-he-loses-it-a-little-because-no-one-can-catch-him out of control).  SD may be right as far as it being a confidence thing, but there def is something.  

Jim Harrick, a 23-year veteran of collegiate coaching, followed K-State in the NCAA Tournament. From his experience, which included coaching UCLA to a National Title in 1995, he said Clemente could make the right NBA roster and "... be a terrific backup point because he's so quick."

Of Pullen, he said, "The NBA will say he's a two-guard in a one-guard body. But he guards so hard that he makes guys want to run under the bleachers and hide. There's a place for him because he's a terrific spot-up shooter, he defends, and he has that 'it' that some guys do have, and other players do not have."

Harrick, however, said that Pullen "... is not a great passer, which is something that he needs to concentrate on this summer because it's not easy to convert guys to the point."

 

[kso_FAN]

Hopefully any Pullen kick outs are to McGruder or Jam-Sam. 

[chum1]

The point is that Irving is wothless on offense if he's not the one pushing the ball.  Pullen is not good enough to be a one man backcourt.

hopefully irving doesn't get any minutes next year.  i think everyone is on board with that.

Not gonna happen.  Frank loves him and our options are seriously limited. 

And, yeah, calling Pullen a great passer is more than a stretch.  He's okay at best.

[SleepFighter]

fairly high TO Rate + really low Usage rate.

Low usage rate naturally inflates TO Rate.  See Balbay.

I don't really have much of an opinion as to how good of a ball handler Irving is, other than "not great".

[sys]

Not gonna happen.  Frank loves him and our options are seriously limited. 

he wouldn't have taken myles if he loved him as much as you suggest.  taking myles imbalanced the classes and overloaded the team with 1-2 guards.  in some ways, it was a desperation recruit and dramatically increases the possibility that someone transfers at the end of this year.

i don't think that suggests that the staff is very comfortable with irving and russell.

[CNS]

Pullen has two issues when it comes to his passing one is jumping off the drive and having to get rid of it in the air(equates to a bad decision often), and the other is that he sometimes forces passes when on the wing.  

The first one is the discipline I already mentioned, and can be corrected pretty easily through more reps as the PG.  The second is a function of our entire team not moving well without the ball as much as it is on Pullen.

[chum1]

Not gonna happen.  Frank loves him and our options are seriously limited. 

he wouldn't have taken myles if he loved him as much as you suggest.  taking myles imbalanced the classes and overloaded the team with 1-2 guards.  in some ways, it was a desperation recruit and dramatically increases the possibility that someone transfers at the end of this year.

i don't think that suggests that the staff is very comfortable with irving and russell.

I agree.  I meant he loves him like he loves Merriewether and will play him plenty because of it.

[CNS]

Not gonna happen.  Frank loves him and our options are seriously limited. 

he wouldn't have taken myles if he loved him as much as you suggest.  taking myles imbalanced the classes and overloaded the team with 1-2 guards.  in some ways, it was a desperation recruit and dramatically increases the possibility that someone transfers at the end of this year.

i don't think that suggests that the staff is very comfortable with irving and russell.

I honestly don't see how Russell is still on the team at the end of the year if he doesn't make the biggest improvement that we have seen from any player in the Huggs/Frank era.

[kso_FAN]

Not gonna happen.  Frank loves him and our options are seriously limited. 

he wouldn't have taken myles if he loved him as much as you suggest.  taking myles imbalanced the classes and overloaded the team with 1-2 guards.  in some ways, it was a desperation recruit and dramatically increases the possibility that someone transfers at the end of this year.

i don't think that suggests that the staff is very comfortable with irving and russell.

I honestly don't see how Russell is still on the team at the end of the year if he doesn't make the biggest improvement that we have seen from any player in the Huggs/Frank era.

I don't know if I'd put it that strong, but of any of the guys on the roster he's probably the most Brown-ish.

[steve dave]

It was kinda humerous how Russell would get minutes against all the Texas teams

[kso_FAN]

It was kinda humerous how Russell would get minutes against all the Texas teams

True.  He just has to prove to the staff they didn't make a fitstake by recruiting him.

[steve dave]

It was kinda humerous how Russell would get minutes against all the Texas teams

True.  He just has to prove to the staff they didn't make a fitstake by recruiting him.

lol

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It was kinda humerous how Russell would get minutes against all the Texas teams

Team shouldn't have to suffer because we need some good TX PR.  Hire a better recruiter.

[mcmwcat]

Hopefully any Pullen kick outs are to McGruder or Jam-Sam. 

Kelly will also have 3pt range next year

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Hopefully any Pullen kick outs are to McGruder or Jam-Sam. 

Kelly will also have 3pt range next year play the 3 next year.