Author Topic: The Trump Presidency (Read 1046925 times)

8manpick · « **Reply #7675 on:** August 21, 2018, 09:26:48 AM »

Quote from: Yard Dog on August 21, 2018, 09:16:39 AM

Quote from: 8manpick on August 20, 2018, 04:20:22 PM
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https://twitter.com/vermontgmg/status/1031563633317343235

I am definitely not saying this is the case, but from some observation a) old people tend to get very vocal about things as their viewpoints narrow and their wits dim and b) when you are fully retired and nothing you say can affect your future negatively (getting on tv could probably help push a book deal for extra $$) it would make sense to only now start speaking out.

It could also be that this administration is the real life incarnation of the tv show VEEP and this bungling group of idiots is one misstep away from wrecking the world. Who knows right?

McRaven and Brennan are 62, Hayden is 73 and Clapper is 77.

Spracne · « **Reply #7676 on:** August 21, 2018, 03:51:33 PM »

Oh boy, big Cohen news today, too. Among other things, pleaded guilty to two counts of campaign finance violations for Trump hush money.

SkinnyBenny · « **Reply #7677 on:** August 21, 2018, 06:26:00 PM »

How does the Spracster feel about that?

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #7678 on:** August 21, 2018, 07:06:49 PM »

Paying an extortionist hush money as breaking campaign finance laws is a novel theory.

Phil Titola · « **Reply #7679 on:** August 21, 2018, 07:10:19 PM »

Quote from: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 21, 2018, 07:06:49 PM

Paying an extortionist hush money as breaking campaign finance laws is a novel theory.

"lock her up" amirite?

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #7680 on:** August 21, 2018, 07:57:44 PM »

Quote from: Phil Titola on August 21, 2018, 07:10:19 PM

Quote from: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 21, 2018, 07:06:49 PM
Paying an extortionist hush money as breaking campaign finance laws is a novel theory.
"lock her up" amirite?

I mean, I'm no anti-blackmail statute expert, and perhaps truth is a defense, but threatening to defame someone if you aren't paid a large sum of money doesn't exactly scream legal.

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #7681 on:** August 21, 2018, 08:02:59 PM »

Paying a porn star to have sex with you doesn’t seem very legal, either. It’s almost like the president and everyone he surrounds himself with have trouble following the law.

LickNeckey · « **Reply #7682 on:** August 21, 2018, 08:03:49 PM »

is it possible to defame Trump?

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #7683 on:** August 21, 2018, 08:09:21 PM »

Quote from: Rage Against the McKee on August 21, 2018, 08:02:59 PM

Paying a porn star to have sex with you doesn’t seem very legal, either. It’s almost like the president and everyone he surrounds himself with have trouble following the law.

If she's a prostitute, then she probably should go to jail. Surprised Mueller hasn't indicted her for tax evasion

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #7684 on:** August 21, 2018, 08:33:07 PM »

The theory, I'm not making this up, is that paying these women was intended to "influence the elction", therefore it violates campaign finance laws because it exceeded the $2700 max donation. Pretty incredible. I assumed he was simply the conduit for the money, not cutting huge checks because he loved trump so much.

catastrophe · « **Reply #7685 on:** August 21, 2018, 08:35:31 PM »

It’s not a theory after someone pleads guilty to it brainiac.

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #7686 on:** August 21, 2018, 08:37:10 PM »

You might want to think that through a little further, braniac. Think back to middle school civics

catastrophe · « **Reply #7687 on:** August 21, 2018, 08:40:27 PM »

I mean, are you saying it may not have actually happened or it isn’t a crime? Cause I don’t see much room for doubt either way.

sys · « **Reply #7688 on:** August 21, 2018, 08:43:00 PM »

Quote from: chum1 on August 21, 2018, 08:12:15 AM

Maybe I'm misinterpreting, but I thought it was interesting because it indicates a major change from when he first took office. It appears the market has adapted to his blather and now recognizes it as bullshit.

it's an interesting observation and a pretty good tweet. maybe a little overinterpreted (let's see what happens when trump puts his mind to talking down the dollar), but it was nice of him to draw attention to it.

sys · « **Reply #7689 on:** August 21, 2018, 08:47:37 PM »

it's not novel. we saw edwards prosecuted for the same a few short years ago.

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #7690 on:** August 21, 2018, 09:39:40 PM »

Would be smart for Trump to pursue the Edwardian defense that no campaign laws applied to this situation.

Phil Titola · « **Reply #7691 on:** August 21, 2018, 10:05:36 PM »

I'm proud of FSD/DAX for sticking by their boy....you don't see that dedication anymore...even in your own personal lawyers :(

chum1 · « **Reply #7692 on:** August 21, 2018, 10:08:17 PM »

https://twitter.com/inyoungk/status/1032080823011483648

DaBigTrain · « **Reply #7693 on:** August 21, 2018, 10:19:30 PM »

Looking forward to the early morning tweet calling the failing New York Times fake news.

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #7694 on:** August 21, 2018, 10:23:10 PM »

Quote from: Phil Titola on August 21, 2018, 10:05:36 PM

I'm proud of FSD/DAX for sticking by their boy....you don't see that dedication anymore...even in your own personal lawyers :(

We learned from the best. Watching Libs, particularly Lib women close ranks when their guy sexually assaulted a woman in the White House bore a standard we could only hope to come close to.

wetwillie · « **Reply #7695 on:** August 21, 2018, 10:24:03 PM »

I need spracne to come in here and tell me what exactly the Cohen thing actually has an impact on.

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #7696 on:** August 21, 2018, 10:26:22 PM »

Quote from: sys on August 21, 2018, 08:47:37 PM

it's not novel. we saw edwards prosecuted for the same a few short years ago.

Wasn't Edwards the guy using campaign dollars to finance a second family in Brazil??? While his wife was dieing of cancer??? And then never convincted of a crime????

sonofdaxjones · « **Reply #7697 on:** August 21, 2018, 10:29:10 PM »

Quote from: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on August 21, 2018, 10:26:22 PM

Quote from: sys on August 21, 2018, 08:47:37 PM
it's not novel. we saw edwards prosecuted for the same a few short years ago.

Wasn't Edwards the guy using campaign dollars to finance a second family in Brazil??? While his wife was dieing of cancer??? And then never convincted of a crime????

I think it was just a woman his out-of-wedlock child.

Anecdote: I used to lunch at a little Bistro down the road from the private island John had a house on. Word was he was a real hound, I think it was nearly a $1 million that was spent. Avoided 30 years by invoking that campaign laws didn't apply.

Spracne · « **Reply #7698 on:** August 21, 2018, 10:31:21 PM »

Quote from: wetwillie on August 21, 2018, 10:24:03 PM

I need spracne to come in here and tell me what exactly the Cohen thing actually has an impact on.

Some pretty good evidence that Trump was a co-conspirator to a federal crime? But we'll need more than Cohen's testimony, since co-conspirator testimony requires corroboration. Nothing to do with Russia, at this point. And Mueller has made it clear he will follow DOJ guidelines and not indict a sitting president, meaning Trump won't face legal consequences unless/until he's voted out of office or impeached--perhaps not even then. For now, this is a political rather than legal problem for the big guy. This one should linger longer than the usual Trump stuff, tho.

wetwillie · « **Reply #7699 on:** August 21, 2018, 10:34:03 PM »

Good post, thanks.