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Pretty simple question, who are you voting for in the presidential election?

Hillary Clinton
17 (36.2%)
Gary Johnson
15 (31.9%)
Jill Stein
2 (4.3%)
Donald Trump
5 (10.6%)
Other
3 (6.4%)
Not voting because I'm unhappy with the choices
5 (10.6%)

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Re: Who you got?
« Reply #100 on: September 09, 2016, 03:49:13 PM »
Got Garebear. Didn't vote on the survey because it would be a waste.

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« Reply #101 on: September 09, 2016, 03:52:17 PM »
Cf3, I luv u bro, but I absolutely can not understand being a one issue voter to ban something that has zero effect on you. If your religion doesn't like abortions then don't get one  :dunno:

I mean, also Syria and a wall between us and Mexico don't really impact me much either but I am allowed to have opinions on it. Police violence against African Americans doesn't impact ME but it impacts my fellow citizen and another human person with whom I share a space with. I can care about stuff that doesn't effect me if it effects someone else.

I wouldn't understand a one issue voter for those either.

You essentially said if someone had exactly the views you share for every issue except they are pro-choice then you wouldn't vote for them. That's insane imo
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« Reply #102 on: September 09, 2016, 03:56:08 PM »
"There's no way I could ever vote for someone who is pro-gay sex" is pretty much the exact same thing
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« Reply #103 on: September 09, 2016, 03:57:38 PM »
I could never vote for someone who is pro-shellfish
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« Reply #104 on: September 09, 2016, 04:01:32 PM »
There is no way I could vote for someone that is pro-tattoo
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« Reply #105 on: September 09, 2016, 04:12:21 PM »
"I could never vote for someone who wants to legalize puppy torturing"

"No way would I vote for someone who says anti-discrimination laws need to go"

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« Reply #106 on: September 09, 2016, 04:18:26 PM »
I kind of get not voting someone who is pro-choice because you consider abortion murder. I don't know how you could really consider abortion murder and not do more about it than not vote for Hillary or Gary Johnson.

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« Reply #107 on: September 09, 2016, 04:22:48 PM »
You mean like vote Trump? :excited:

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« Reply #108 on: September 09, 2016, 04:22:57 PM »
Edn, I know you're dumb, but even you probably understand why those are ridiculous examples
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« Reply #109 on: September 09, 2016, 04:30:07 PM »
My bad. I thought we were doing single issue things that have no direct impact on us voters.

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« Reply #110 on: September 09, 2016, 04:34:22 PM »
Guess I was wrong, you don't know why it was ridiculous
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« Reply #111 on: September 09, 2016, 04:36:55 PM »
As long as there are ppl who let their religious wedge issues drive their vote, there will be what the right is now.

so its religion's fault we're stuck with a 2 party system that picked Clinton and Donald freaking Trump?

Sure is. If Christians could manage to mind their own business we could actually have a viable Republican party that could keep the democrats honest, but alas we're left with this poop.

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« Reply #112 on: September 09, 2016, 04:40:54 PM »
As long as there are ppl who let their religious wedge issues drive their vote, there will be what the right is now.

so its religion's fault we're stuck with a 2 party system that picked Clinton and Donald freaking Trump?

Sure is. If Christians could manage to mind their own business we could actually have a viable Republican party that could keep the democrats honest, but alas we're left with this poop.

It seems to me you are actually critiquing these Christians' non-adherence to their own religion as opposed to religion generally. Your post doesn't imply to me that you seriously believe a world free of religion would have produced better candidates this cycle.

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« Reply #113 on: September 09, 2016, 04:41:42 PM »
As long as there are ppl who let their religious wedge issues drive their vote, there will be what the right is now.

so its religion's fault we're stuck with a 2 party system that picked Clinton and Donald freaking Trump?

Sure is. If Christians could manage to mind their own business we could actually have a viable Republican party that could keep the democrats honest, but alas we're left with this poop.

It seems to me you are actually critiquing these Christians' non-adherence to their own religion as opposed to religion generally. Your post doesn't imply to me that you seriously believe a world free of religion would have produced better candidates this cycle.

No one is saying a world free of religion.  Just politics free of religion.


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« Reply #114 on: September 09, 2016, 04:42:04 PM »
Got Garebear. Didn't vote on the survey because it would be a waste.

Are you intentionally weird?

Edn

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« Reply #115 on: September 09, 2016, 04:48:06 PM »
As long as there are ppl who let their religious wedge issues drive their vote, there will be what the right is now.

so its religion's fault we're stuck with a 2 party system that picked Clinton and Donald freaking Trump?

Sure is. If Christians could manage to mind their own business we could actually have a viable Republican party that could keep the democrats honest, but alas we're left with this poop.

It seems to me you are actually critiquing these Christians' non-adherence to their own religion as opposed to religion generally. Your post doesn't imply to me that you seriously believe a world free of religion would have produced better candidates this cycle.

No I'm speaking to the fact that many Christians, particularly Conservative Christians feel like their beliefs should drive policy and how they live their lives. Most religious people live their own lives and don't make a career out of trying to live the lives of the entire country. In America conservative christians don't seem to understand that they can live full, righteous lives without worrying about how strangers want to live, its infuriating because its the biggest obstacle to a more efficient and accountable government.

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« Reply #116 on: September 09, 2016, 04:48:27 PM »
Got Garebear. Didn't vote on the survey because it would be a waste.

Are you intentionally weird?

Edn

wait, what? How in the hell did I miss this?

1. Sometimes (FYI - I actually did not vote because that is not an option on my phone)
2. Lib is wrong often enough I don't bother trying to correct him.
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« Reply #117 on: September 09, 2016, 05:00:17 PM »
As long as there are ppl who let their religious wedge issues drive their vote, there will be what the right is now.

so its religion's fault we're stuck with a 2 party system that picked Clinton and Donald freaking Trump?

Sure is. If Christians could manage to mind their own business we could actually have a viable Republican party that could keep the democrats honest, but alas we're left with this poop.

It seems to me you are actually critiquing these Christians' non-adherence to their own religion as opposed to religion generally. Your post doesn't imply to me that you seriously believe a world free of religion would have produced better candidates this cycle.

No I'm speaking to the fact that many Christians, particularly Conservative Christians feel like their beliefs should drive policy and how they live their lives. Most religious people live their own lives and don't make a career out of trying to live the lives of the entire country. In America conservative christians don't seem to understand that they can live full, righteous lives without worrying about how strangers want to live, its infuriating because its the biggest obstacle to a more efficient and accountable government.

lol you can't truly believe that.

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« Reply #118 on: September 09, 2016, 05:02:41 PM »
No I'm speaking to the fact that many Christians, particularly Conservative Christians feel like their beliefs should drive policy and how they live their lives. Most religious people live their own lives and don't make a career out of trying to live the lives of the entire country. In America conservative christians don't seem to understand that they can live full, righteous lives without worrying about how strangers want to live, its infuriating because its the biggest obstacle to a more efficient and accountable government.

I just don't see this as a religion issue, like, at all.  First, Christians probably make up a large segment (if not the majority) of every political party.  So your gripe is really with conservatives more so than conservative Christians.  Second, the "worrying about how strangers want to live" is in no way unique to religious groups.  Any law by its nature has some impact on how people are permitted to live their lives.  A green party member might want to regulate a household's use of water, energy, or fossil fuels, independent of any religious reason.  That still has a pretty substantial impact on how people choose to live.  There is also an ironic twist because conservatives in general want the federal government to be less involved in the practices of individuals and business than liberals.

People in a society are always going to want to "force" their beliefs on others in that society.  Those beliefs might happen to be based in religion, but they're usually based on something else.

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« Reply #119 on: September 09, 2016, 05:18:22 PM »
As long as there are ppl who let their religious wedge issues drive their vote, there will be what the right is now.

so its religion's fault we're stuck with a 2 party system that picked Clinton and Donald freaking Trump?

Sure is. If Christians could manage to mind their own business we could actually have a viable Republican party that could keep the democrats honest, but alas we're left with this poop.

It seems to me you are actually critiquing these Christians' non-adherence to their own religion as opposed to religion generally. Your post doesn't imply to me that you seriously believe a world free of religion would have produced better candidates this cycle.

No I'm speaking to the fact that many Christians, particularly Conservative Christians feel like their beliefs should drive policy and how they live their lives. Most religious people live their own lives and don't make a career out of trying to live the lives of the entire country. In America conservative christians don't seem to understand that they can live full, righteous lives without worrying about how strangers want to live, its infuriating because its the biggest obstacle to a more efficient and accountable government.

lol you can't truly believe that.

I do. Now, I didn't say that our government would be completely efficient and accountable without the religious right poking their noses in, I said more efficient and accountable. Its either the meddlesome nature of conservative christians or its money and I feel like in a two party system, that is working properly, money doesn't create an imbalance. There would be/is plenty of money on both sides where it wouldn't be as obstructing as religion. We've always had money in politics, the religious right's jacking of the agenda is something that has happened the last twenty years and this is factually the least efficient our federal government, at least the legislative branch where the infiltration is worst, has ever been.

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« Reply #120 on: September 09, 2016, 05:20:58 PM »
No I'm speaking to the fact that many Christians, particularly Conservative Christians feel like their beliefs should drive policy and how they live their lives. Most religious people live their own lives and don't make a career out of trying to live the lives of the entire country. In America conservative christians don't seem to understand that they can live full, righteous lives without worrying about how strangers want to live, its infuriating because its the biggest obstacle to a more efficient and accountable government.

I just don't see this as a religion issue, like, at all.  First, Christians probably make up a large segment (if not the majority) of every political party.  So your gripe is really with conservatives more so than conservative Christians.  Second, the "worrying about how strangers want to live" is in no way unique to religious groups.  Any law by its nature has some impact on how people are permitted to live their lives.  A green party member might want to regulate a household's use of water, energy, or fossil fuels, independent of any religious reason.  That still has a pretty substantial impact on how people choose to live.  There is also an ironic twist because conservatives in general want the federal government to be less involved in the practices of individuals and business than liberals.

People in a society are always going to want to "force" their beliefs on others in that society.  Those beliefs might happen to be based in religion, but they're usually based on something else.

I'm only familiar with our society and how conservative christians use their beliefs to attempt to drive government agenda and then they use the lie that the founders of the country intended it to be that way so it's okay.

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« Reply #121 on: September 09, 2016, 05:23:01 PM »
Well I guess you are entitled to your belief as to what beliefs are underlying conservatives' professed beliefs.

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« Reply #122 on: September 09, 2016, 05:25:05 PM »
Not all conservatives, I was pretty clear about who I was talking out, sorry you didn't get that.

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« Reply #123 on: September 09, 2016, 05:39:54 PM »
I really don't believe that the primary problem with obstructionists like Tim Huelskamp is his faith or the faith of his followers.

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« Reply #124 on: September 09, 2016, 05:41:57 PM »
Right.  Not all conservatives, not all Christians, but all conservative Christians.

It's not just unique to conservatives, though.  Don't forget about the time Mormon sympathizer Bloomberg tried to ban large sodas.