Who you got?

[michigancat]

How old do you think I am dax?

And yeah, the Watergate broke before his second term.

[sonofdaxjones]

Well, I suppose we can count incumbents.  Yay Rusty, you made a point! 

[michigancat]

Well, I suppose we can count incumbents.  Yay Rusty, you made a point! 

well I mean Nixon prolonged the Vietnam War in 68 so he could end the war after elected but yeah chump change and incumbent only.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/nixon-prolonged-vietnam-war-for-political-gainand-johnson-knew-about-it-newly-unclassified-tapes-suggest-3595441/?no-ist

Also not in my lifetime you adorable old coot!

[sonofdaxjones]

Well, I suppose we can count incumbents.  Yay Rusty, you made a point! 

well I mean Nixon prolonged the Vietnam War in 68 so he could end the war after elected but yeah chump change and incumbent only.

http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/nixon-prolonged-vietnam-war-for-political-gainand-johnson-knew-about-it-newly-unclassified-tapes-suggest-3595441/?no-ist

Also not in my lifetime you adorable old coot!

While that's understood, that Nixon did prolong the war, he was also under great pressure to achieve "peace with honor", and he did set forth the process of "Vietmization" which withdrew U.S. Troops and got the Paris Peace Talks going.    Whereas Hillary is pretty much all about perpetual war and was by and large not a real diplomat as SOS.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Hillary Clinton, she's barely worse than Richard Nixon so I'm voting for her.
-michigancat

Lol, wtf

[sonofdaxjones]

Vote for Hillary - Champion of the Muslim Brotherhood! 

[Cartierfor3]

Not planning to vote for Hilldawg, although there is still a chance she could change my mind.

I think not voting as a sign of protest is kinda dumb considering how few people vote anyway.

I'll vote for every other office/amendment etc on the ballot

So you really feel there is no presidential candidate you could vote for in good conscience, but you are confident enough in every other candidate running for other offices? Or is it more like you're just not voting because you don't like the republican nominee?

I can't bring myself to vote for a pro-choice president. Local offices I don't think it makes as big an impact as someone appointing a supreme court justice.

[catastrophe]

Alright, that is a fair point. That's my biggest gripe about Garebear.

Edit: Still, a pro choice libertarian president can appoint justices who don't believe in making up constitutional rights to shoehorn in stuff like we have now. My point being a pro choice justice could still overturn something like Roe v. Wade, leaving you with the same result.

[CNS]

As long as there are ppl who let their religious wedge issues drive their vote, there will be what the right is now. 

[Cartierfor3]

As long as there are ppl who let their religious wedge issues drive their vote, there will be what the right is now.

so its religion's fault we're stuck with a 2 party system that picked Clinton and Donald freaking Trump?

[CNS]

As long as there are ppl who let their religious wedge issues drive their vote, there will be what the right is now.

so its religion's fault we're stuck with a 2 party system that picked Clinton and Donald freaking Trump?

Partly, at least, yes.

[Cartierfor3]

interesting

[catastrophe]

Back to my point: the current right to abortion debate is largely driven by religious groups, but it is ultimately just as much a states' rights question. And I suspect most wedge issues you mention are the same way.

[star seed 7]

Cf3, I luv u bro, but I absolutely can not understand being a one issue voter to ban something that has zero effect on you. If your religion doesn't like abortions then don't get one 

[Rage Against the McKee]

Yeah, I just don't get people who think the government needs to put more non-violent offenders in jail.

[CNS]

Or jam religious beliefs down our throats.

I mean, Should we at least look into if adulterers should be stoned to death too?

[Cartierfor3]

Cf3, I luv u bro, but I absolutely can not understand being a one issue voter to ban something that has zero effect on you. If your religion doesn't like abortions then don't get one 

luv u 2

[star seed 7]

 

[Cartierfor3]

Cf3, I luv u bro, but I absolutely can not understand being a one issue voter to ban something that has zero effect on you. If your religion doesn't like abortions then don't get one 

I mean, also Syria and a wall between us and Mexico don't really impact me much either but I am allowed to have opinions on it. Police violence against African Americans doesn't impact ME but it impacts my fellow citizen and another human person with whom I share a space with. I can care about stuff that doesn't effect me if it effects someone else.

[catastrophe]

Or jam religious beliefs down our throats.

I mean, Should we at least look into if adulterers should be stoned to death too?

Don't want this to become another abortion thread, but there is a big difference between thinking certain behavior should be punished and whether the federal government has a right to determine what is and isn't acceptable. I think Roe v. Wade is BS just like I think federal criminalization of marijuana is BS.

Lots of pro-lifers voting for president simply believe the states should decide the issue (though obviously they would also support local candidates who would restrict abortions).

[CNS]

For a country that prides itself on freedom, we sure have a bunch of ppl eager to limit the freedom of others.

[catastrophe]

Cf3, I luv u bro, but I absolutely can not understand being a one issue voter to ban something that has zero effect on you. If your religion doesn't like abortions then don't get one 

I mean, also Syria and a wall between us and Mexico don't really impact me much either but I am allowed to have opinions on it. Police violence against African Americans doesn't impact ME but it impacts my fellow citizen and another human person with whom I share a space with. I can care about stuff that doesn't effect me if it effects someone else.

Cruelty to animals, discrimination against minorities, etc., etc.

[catastrophe]

For a country that prides itself on freedom, we sure have a bunch of ppl eager to limit the freedom of others.

What, because we have laws?

[Cartierfor3]

guys, we have a thread for this stuff. lets stick with MIR's topic of who you got

[CNS]