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Re: Dallas
« Reply #500 on: July 14, 2016, 04:20:02 PM »
I don't see a person who just insults every other person who doesn't wholesale adopt their pov as being genuinely interested in "engaging" in conversation. Very sociopathic and delusional behavior, per usual.
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Re: Dallas
« Reply #501 on: July 14, 2016, 04:21:24 PM »
I don't see a person who just insults every other person who doesn't wholesale adopt their pov as being genuinely interested in "engaging" in conversation. Very sociopathic and delusional behavior, per usual.

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Re: Dallas
« Reply #502 on: July 14, 2016, 04:22:51 PM »
his point was that america didn't exist 400 years ago, liblib.

Does that mean that the areas that eventually became America had no bearing on culture? Again, irrelevant to the discussion
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Re: Dallas
« Reply #503 on: July 14, 2016, 04:24:29 PM »
Don't know about lib but I ignored emo's point because this, like every other race conversations we've had, he's countering points I haven't made.

This is what my response was about

i can't read emo's mind and don't know exactly what points he was trying to make or what points he was trying to counter.  it seemed to me that at least one point he was trying to discuss was mir's assertion of 400 years of institutional racism/slavery since 1619.

ignoring that 30 seconds of googling 1619 and slavery indicates that it is not precisely accurate*, mir definitely did make that point, and whether emo's entire line of posting was intended to address it or not, it definitely had moved in the direction of addressing it by the time liblib jumped in to state that it didn't address it.


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African workers first appeared in Virginia in 1619, brought by English privateers from a Spanish slave ship they had intercepted. As the Africans were baptized Christians, they were treated as indentured servants.

My take:

Mir mentioned 400 years of institutional racism. Emo says that's not true. Mir says 16 whatever Emo says well Iceland killed some Spaniards.

The 400 years thing was not about white people should feel bad for stuff in the 1600's, but to show the length and the magnitude that systematic racism has entrenched itself into american society and how it still effects us today. The 400 years being exactly correct is not really relevant

The institution of slavery ended with hundreds of thousands of dead white men and hundreds of thousands more maimed 150 years ago.

Conflating slavery with the alleged institutional racism of today is beyond disingenious.
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Re: Dallas
« Reply #504 on: July 14, 2016, 04:27:27 PM »
Don't know about lib but I ignored emo's point because this, like every other race conversations we've had, he's countering points I haven't made.

This is what my response was about

i can't read emo's mind and don't know exactly what points he was trying to make or what points he was trying to counter.  it seemed to me that at least one point he was trying to discuss was mir's assertion of 400 years of institutional racism/slavery since 1619.

ignoring that 30 seconds of googling 1619 and slavery indicates that it is not precisely accurate*, mir definitely did make that point, and whether emo's entire line of posting was intended to address it or not, it definitely had moved in the direction of addressing it by the time liblib jumped in to state that it didn't address it.


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African workers first appeared in Virginia in 1619, brought by English privateers from a Spanish slave ship they had intercepted. As the Africans were baptized Christians, they were treated as indentured servants.

My take:

Mir mentioned 400 years of institutional racism. Emo says that's not true. Mir says 16 whatever Emo says well Iceland killed some Spaniards.

The 400 years thing was not about white people should feel bad for stuff in the 1600's, but to show the length and the magnitude that systematic racism has entrenched itself into american society and how it still effects us today. The 400 years being exactly correct is not really relevant

The institution of slavery ended with hundreds of thousands of dead white men and hundreds of thousands more maimed 150 years ago.

Conflating slavery with the alleged institutional racism of today is beyond disingenious(sic).

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Re: Dallas
« Reply #505 on: July 14, 2016, 04:28:07 PM »
yep, as soon as the civil war ended, whites and blacks have been equally treated ever since

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Re: Dallas
« Reply #506 on: July 14, 2016, 04:28:18 PM »
Yeah, slavery probably has nothing to do with systematic racism and race relations in this country.
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Re: Dallas
« Reply #507 on: July 14, 2016, 04:32:03 PM »
yep, as soon as the civil war ended, whites and blacks have been equally treated ever since

Quite sociopathic
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Re: Dallas
« Reply #508 on: July 14, 2016, 04:32:20 PM »
The institution of slavery ended with hundreds of thousands of dead white men and hundreds of thousands more maimed 150 years ago.

This quote just screams:
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Re: Dallas
« Reply #509 on: July 14, 2016, 04:34:21 PM »
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Re: Dallas
« Reply #510 on: July 14, 2016, 04:54:55 PM »
This country (or countries!) needs more segregation.  See Pete's "Breaking up the US" thread before it became ben ji's novela.

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Re: Dallas
« Reply #511 on: July 14, 2016, 05:29:47 PM »
his point was that america didn't exist 400 years ago, liblib.

Does that mean that the areas that eventually became America had no bearing on culture? Again, irrelevant to the discussion

maybe i don't understand what the discussion is about (or 11 different people are having eight different discussions).

in my opinion, the central discussion of the day is dancing around the idea of reparations, or some other remedy or corrective for the impact of slavery/institutional racism. mir stated in responses to various posters that he doesn't think descendants of people that developed/supported or upheld those institutions are personally responsible for any remedy and also that he doesn't think "white people" as a group are responsible.  i agree with both of those statements.

that pretty much only leaves political entities as possible responsible parties it is nonsensical to hold a political entity responsible for actions that occurred when it didn't exist, hence any discussion of federal responsibility for institutions that perpetuated institutional racism prior to the existence of the us is irrelevant.  if you want to discuss the potential responsibility of england or of virginia, it might be an interesting discussion.
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Re: Dallas
« Reply #512 on: July 14, 2016, 05:48:34 PM »
I don't disagree.  What then is the purpose of listing the grievances to conservatives or Americans or white people or whoever he was listing them for?  Clearly he had a purpose, I'd like to know what the eff it was.
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Re: Dallas
« Reply #513 on: July 14, 2016, 05:50:47 PM »
I don't disagree.  What then is the purpose of listing the grievances to conservatives or Americans or white people or whoever he was listing them for?  Clearly he had a purpose, I'd like to know what the eff it was.

You,  Emo, and fsd seem to think they have had no bearing on where we are at today
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Re: Dallas
« Reply #514 on: July 14, 2016, 05:57:24 PM »
I don't disagree.  What then is the purpose of listing the grievances to conservatives or Americans or white people or whoever he was listing them for?  Clearly he had a purpose, I'd like to know what the eff it was.

You,  Emo, and fsd seem to think they have had no bearing on where we are at today
I think it has a bearing on where they are today.  Are we good now?
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Re: Dallas
« Reply #515 on: July 14, 2016, 06:05:50 PM »
i almost let an interesting nugget slide by.  emo, do you consider yourself to be spanish?
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Re: Dallas
« Reply #516 on: July 14, 2016, 06:17:53 PM »
The entire process of curing perceived inequalities resulting from prior inequalities by way of future inequalities would be completely asinine, not to mention hyper conjectural and subjective, and by its own process unending.

So blacks get some money now, then in 200 years whites get reparations for that? I suspect most of the mongoloids  (lib, mocat, mir) haven't really thought this through, which explains their childish and unsubstantiated pov and inability to cobble together a coherent position.
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Re: Dallas
« Reply #517 on: July 14, 2016, 06:19:04 PM »
I don't disagree.  What then is the purpose of listing the grievances to conservatives or Americans or white people or whoever he was listing them for?  Clearly he had a purpose, I'd like to know what the eff it was.

You,  Emo, and fsd seem to think they have had no bearing on where we are at today
Wait, what? You think conservatives are the reason for racism?

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« Reply #518 on: July 14, 2016, 06:33:50 PM »
In this day and age you probably have more white people that have disdain for blacks because of behavior like Mir's than you have old school redneck racists, nice work fellas :thumbsup:
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« Reply #519 on: July 14, 2016, 06:44:53 PM »
In this day and age you probably have more white people that have disdain for blacks because of behavior like Mir's than you have old school redneck racists, nice work fellas :thumbsup:

But can the new disdain'rs coexist w/the old school redneck racists in their new exclusive district?

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« Reply #520 on: July 14, 2016, 06:51:16 PM »
In this day and age you probably have more white people that have disdain for blacks because of behavior like Mir's than you have old school redneck racists, nice work fellas :thumbsup:

But can the new disdain'rs coexist w/the old school redneck racists in their new exclusive district?

Ask the new black panther party, they're spearheading that now.
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« Reply #521 on: July 14, 2016, 06:55:33 PM »
In this day and age you probably have more white people that have disdain for blacks because of behavior like Mir's than you have old school redneck racists, nice work fellas :thumbsup:

But can the new disdain'rs coexist w/the old school redneck racists in their new exclusive district?

Ask the new black panther party, they're spearheading that now.

It's not up to them.  In my new americas, racists will be entitled to live isolated from all other races.  Utopia.  But as part of hashing ot the details, I gotta know if there needs to be racist-generational sub-districts.

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Re: Dallas
« Reply #522 on: July 14, 2016, 07:30:30 PM »
I don't disagree.  What then is the purpose of listing the grievances to conservatives or Americans or white people or whoever he was listing them for?  Clearly he had a purpose, I'd like to know what the eff it was.

You,  Emo, and fsd seem to think they have had no bearing on where we are at today
Wait, what? You think conservatives are the reason for racism?

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« Reply #523 on: July 14, 2016, 07:32:54 PM »
The entire process of curing perceived inequalities resulting from prior inequalities by way of future inequalities would be completely asinine, not to mention hyper conjectural and subjective, and by its own process unending.

So blacks get some money now, then in 200 years whites get reparations for that? I suspect most of the mongoloids  (lib, mocat, mir) haven't really thought this through, which explains their childish and unsubstantiated pov and inability to cobble together a coherent position.

Feel free to link any post where I've suggested the government "gives blacks some money"
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Re: Dallas
« Reply #524 on: July 14, 2016, 07:34:41 PM »
I don't disagree.  What then is the purpose of listing the grievances to conservatives or Americans or white people or whoever he was listing them for?  Clearly he had a purpose, I'd like to know what the eff it was.

You,  Emo, and fsd seem to think they have had no bearing on where we are at today
Wait, what? You think conservatives are the reason for racism?

WackyCat08, sit this one out
Sit what out?