Post by: Institutional Control on July 07, 2016, 09:32:46 PM
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Post by: The Big Train on July 07, 2016, 09:49:10 PM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on July 07, 2016, 10:01:36 PM
Post by: michigancat on July 07, 2016, 10:11:25 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 07, 2016, 10:11:46 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 07, 2016, 10:27:25 PM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on July 07, 2016, 10:33:02 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on July 07, 2016, 10:37:48 PM
Post by: The Big Train on July 07, 2016, 10:39:15 PM
I know one thing for sure, the perps will be first in line to turn in their guns.
Go eff yourself dax
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 07, 2016, 10:41:01 PM
I know one thing for sure, the perps will be first in line to turn in their guns.
Go eff yourself dax
Right back at ya TBT.
Post by: stunted on July 07, 2016, 10:52:57 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 07, 2016, 10:55:00 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 07, 2016, 11:00:31 PM
I think what dax is trying to say is that Hillary orchestrated this
I think lib is trying to say that it was Trump who put this together, never-the-less lib will be updating you on what Rush says tomorrow.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on July 07, 2016, 11:07:27 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 07, 2016, 11:16:12 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 07, 2016, 11:19:32 PM
One thing for sure, just any old buddy can get up on a Dallas high rise and systematically mow down people, particularly cops. So there's no reason at all to think it was a planned or orchestrated event. There's already multiple eyewitness accounts saying there was a systematic cadence and sequencing to the shootings, but probably just a couple of dudes with rifles off the streets who were mad with no formal training of any kind.
I know right
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 07, 2016, 11:22:56 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 07, 2016, 11:24:17 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 07, 2016, 11:25:13 PM
Dallas IS known for its marksmanship
True, but even Lee Harvey was a qualified Marine sharpshooter.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 07, 2016, 11:28:52 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on July 07, 2016, 11:30:48 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 07, 2016, 11:33:07 PM
Who's your prime Orchestrator suspect?
:dunno:
How about you lib, just a random act? Ya know, just some dude who decided to mow down 11 plus cops with military (training) like precision, with most reports saying the shots were coming from up above and from a distance??
Post by: star seed 7 on July 07, 2016, 11:34:09 PM
Dax who are you trying to prove wrong? I dont get what you're doing
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 07, 2016, 11:38:36 PM
Dax who are you trying to prove wrong? I dont get what you're doing
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Who the eff said anything about a cover-up or conspiracy theory lib? All I'm saying is I highly doubt the perp(s) were just some mad people with guns and no formal training.
You are so mumping weird.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 07, 2016, 11:43:14 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 07, 2016, 11:44:44 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 07, 2016, 11:45:35 PM
How many shots were fired? Police are usually standing together in a big group at these things so hitting 11 of them might not be the military precision you think it was.
True, I'm just following local Dallas news social media, thus the use of the word "reportedly".
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 07, 2016, 11:47:00 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 07, 2016, 11:47:18 PM
How many shots were fired? Police are usually standing together in a big group at these things so hitting 11 of them might not be the military precision you think it was.
50ish
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 07, 2016, 11:48:33 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 07, 2016, 11:51:07 PM
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Carlos Harris, who lives downtown said the shooters "were strategic. It was tap tap pause. Tap tap pause."Dallas Morning News
Harris, who said he was in the military, said he heard someone fire back with an AR-15.
Before the shots were fired, the demonstration was peacefully walking down Main Street.
"The cops were peaceful," he said. "They were taking pictures with us and everything."
Post by: star seed 7 on July 07, 2016, 11:54:21 PM
This guy was a congressman
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Post by: Tobias on July 08, 2016, 12:16:33 AM
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This guy was a congressman
i for one am pretty tired of these blm guys rough ridin' up my seinfeld reruns
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 08, 2016, 12:17:16 AM
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http://Dallas Police Department (Facebook via Dallas Morning News)
Tonight it appears that two snipers shot ten police officers from elevated positions during the protest/rally. Three officers are deceased, two are in surgery and three are in critical condition.
An intensive search for suspects is currently underway. No suspects are in custody at this time. We ask that any citizen with information regarding the shootings tonight call 214-671-3485.
We will provide more information once it is available. Please keep us in your thoughts and prayers tonight.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 08, 2016, 12:20:56 AM
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Bradley Blackburn Reporter at @wfaachannel8 covering DFW.
@BLBlackburn
11 officer shot, 3 deceased "some shot in back" says police chief. Believe shooters were in position to triangulate.
Post by: renocat on July 08, 2016, 06:34:17 AM
Post by: bubbles4ksu on July 08, 2016, 06:37:43 AM
http://www.cnn.com/ (http://www.cnn.com/)
Post by: gatoveintisiet on July 08, 2016, 07:19:46 AM
Post by: bubbles4ksu on July 08, 2016, 07:23:16 AM
Post by: steve dave on July 08, 2016, 07:43:23 AM
Post by: bubbles4ksu on July 08, 2016, 07:54:14 AM
Post by: bubbles4ksu on July 08, 2016, 07:58:10 AM
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https://twitter.com/KarenAttiah/status/751396116667600896
So far it doesn't sound like a thought out ideology. I think that's good?
Post by: bubbles4ksu on July 08, 2016, 08:00:09 AM
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https://twitter.com/ABC/status/751398911038808064
Post by: star seed 7 on July 08, 2016, 08:12:12 AM
Dallas police chief: we used a robot to detonate a bomb next to the suspect, killing him. He did NOT shoot himself.
Lol
Post by: WillieWatanabe on July 08, 2016, 08:12:54 AM
Dallas police chief: we used a robot to detonate a bomb next to the suspect, killing him. He did NOT shoot himself.
Lol
yeah...like wut??
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 08:16:28 AM
Post by: 8manpick on July 08, 2016, 08:17:45 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 08, 2016, 08:20:35 AM
So, BLM radicals, ISIS, or anarchists?
Black Bundies
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 08:23:44 AM
Post by: bubbles4ksu on July 08, 2016, 08:25:06 AM
These rough ridin' POS were so selfish. Like, they're worst then cops. Their families weren't the ones morning a loss. They just wanted to start killing pigs for pure satisfaction. I hope they rot in hell (if it exists).preach.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 08:26:21 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 08, 2016, 08:29:23 AM
Post by: Trim on July 08, 2016, 08:31:13 AM
Quotehttps://twitter.com/KarenAttiah/status/751396116667600896
So far it doesn't sound like a thought out ideology. I think that's good?
Are they talking about the dead suspect? If so, that'll work well for the Dallas PD as he'll be too dead to contradict that story.
https://twitter.com/matthewkeyslive/status/751306770459471873
Post by: Ptolemy on July 08, 2016, 08:33:06 AM
http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/08/politics/obama-dallas-police-shootings/
Imagine if a pro-life US President said after George Tiller was killed that the murder was a reaction to the horrors of abortion's preying upon the most defenseless among us? The media would be in a firestorm of controversy.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 08:35:04 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 08:37:50 AM
Post by: Trim on July 08, 2016, 08:40:39 AM
Quotehttps://twitter.com/KarenAttiah/status/751396116667600896
So far it doesn't sound like a thought out ideology. I think that's good?
Are they talking about the dead suspect? If so, that'll work well for the Dallas PD as he'll be too dead to contradict that story.
https://twitter.com/matthewkeyslive/status/751306770459471873
I can see lying during an interrogation being pretty standard, I mean they aren't there to inform you but to figure out if you had anything to do with it.
They STILL have this tweet up.
https://twitter.com/dallaspd/status/751262719584575488
Post by: Kat Kid on July 08, 2016, 08:41:19 AM
Post by: Trim on July 08, 2016, 08:41:48 AM
Post by: Ptolemy on July 08, 2016, 08:42:24 AM
Quotehttps://twitter.com/KarenAttiah/status/751396116667600896
So far it doesn't sound like a thought out ideology. I think that's good?
Are they talking about the dead suspect? If so, that'll work well for the Dallas PD as he'll be too dead to contradict that story.
https://twitter.com/matthewkeyslive/status/751306770459471873
Dude should probably make a mental note for the future that going to a Black Lives Matter protest with an AR-15 slung over your shoulder is not a good way to avoid scrutiny from police.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 08, 2016, 08:43:35 AM
I want to know how Dallas police blew up the suspect with a suicide bomber robot and how that is possibly legal.
Should have met at high noon at the OK corral. Wtf?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 08:45:33 AM
Carrying around a rifle and they suspected him?! How assanine!Quotehttps://twitter.com/KarenAttiah/status/751396116667600896
So far it doesn't sound like a thought out ideology. I think that's good?
Are they talking about the dead suspect? If so, that'll work well for the Dallas PD as he'll be too dead to contradict that story.
https://twitter.com/matthewkeyslive/status/751306770459471873
I can see lying during an interrogation being pretty standard, I mean they aren't there to inform you but to figure out if you had anything to do with it.
They STILL have this tweet up.
https://twitter.com/dallaspd/status/751262719584575488
Post by: Trim on July 08, 2016, 09:00:06 AM
Dude should probably make a mental note for the future that going to a Black Lives Matter protest with an AR-15 slung over your shoulder is not a good way to avoid scrutiny from police.
He's probably made a mental note not to leave the house for a long, long time.
Post by: steve dave on July 08, 2016, 09:07:02 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 08, 2016, 09:08:47 AM
1. why they used a robot bomb to take down a murdering psychopath in the act of mass murdering people?
2. Why a guy carrying a machine gun at the scene of the ambush had his involvement in murders questioned, considering the murderers used machine guns?
#thinkprogress #BLM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 08, 2016, 09:10:17 AM
Post by: bubbles4ksu on July 08, 2016, 09:17:53 AM
Quotehttps://twitter.com/ABC/status/751398911038808064
everyone needs to watch this video. sounds like we won't know much about the shooters for awhile.
Post by: bubbles4ksu on July 08, 2016, 09:29:49 AM
Nevermind the orchestrated ambush, the real questions here are:
1. why they used a robot bomb to take down a murdering psychopath in the act of mass murdering people?
it's possible to say that killing an active shooter was the right thing to do and also wonder about the legal justification of using a drone to do it.
i wonder what the police did that allowed them to take 3 alive. did those dipshits forget to save one bullet for themselves?
Post by: ChiComCat on July 08, 2016, 09:32:51 AM
Post by: Tobias on July 08, 2016, 09:34:57 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 08, 2016, 09:37:47 AM
Nevermind the orchestrated ambush, the real questions here are:
1. why they used a robot bomb to take down a murdering psychopath in the act of mass murdering people?
it's possible to say that killing an active shooter was the right thing to do and also wonder about the legal justification of using a drone to do it.
i wonder what the police did that allowed them to take 3 alive. did those dipshits forget to save one bullet for themselves?
They probably decided they wanted to live. Even if they were out of bullets, the cops would have gladly killed them if they refused to drop their weapons.
Post by: CNS on July 08, 2016, 09:39:42 AM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 09:47:20 AM
Broken tail light, no survivors. Shoot a bunch of cops, allowed to surrender.Not true!
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Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 08, 2016, 09:54:31 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on July 08, 2016, 09:55:31 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 09:56:40 AM
I am totally cool with the use of the bomb robotWho wouldn't be? Crazy ppl, that's who!
Post by: OK_Cat on July 08, 2016, 10:08:17 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 10:08:46 AM
If we're keeping score, the cops are still way ahead.I highly doubt that
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 10:10:30 AM
https://www.odmp.org/search/year
Post by: OK_Cat on July 08, 2016, 10:14:54 AM
If we're keeping score, the cops are still way ahead.I highly doubt that
Ok, daviddukecat08
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 10:15:44 AM
http://heavy.com/news/2016/07/micah-xavier-x-johnson-dallas-police-shooting-sniper-gunman-shooter-suspect-name-identified-photos-facebook-video/
Post by: star seed 7 on July 08, 2016, 10:16:32 AM
That's why it's lol
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 10:18:24 AM
Looked up david duke. Wouldn't have been easier to just call me racist, ok cat, since I don't share your ignorant opinions?If we're keeping score, the cops are still way ahead.I highly doubt that
Ok, daviddukecat08
Post by: star seed 7 on July 08, 2016, 10:19:50 AM
If we're keeping score, the cops are still way ahead.I highly doubt that
I saw something yesterday that the ratio this year is like 60:1100 killed cops (only half because of a bad guy) to citizens killed by police (obviously some justified)
Post by: yoga-like_abana on July 08, 2016, 10:20:58 AM
I took it as they detonated the shooters bomb, not that the police chased him around and set off their own bombI like to think that they used a drone and then nailed his ass. BOOM! America!
That's why it's lol
#knockknock #who'sthat #amazonprimebitch
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 08, 2016, 10:21:32 AM
I took it as they detonated the shooters bomb, not that the police chased him around and set off their own bomb
That's why it's lol
That's the way I read it...but he would have had to have been pretty wounded to let the dude from Short Circuit roll up and pull the pin
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 08, 2016, 10:22:39 AM
They (at this time) don't believe there were any other shooters, but there may have been accomplices (some in custody).
Who is the shooter though? Background? Prior military?
Post by: mocat on July 08, 2016, 10:22:47 AM
If we're keeping score, the cops are still way ahead.I highly doubt that
you seriously doubt cops have unjustly killed more than FOUR people?
Post by: star seed 7 on July 08, 2016, 10:23:51 AM
I took it as they detonated the shooters bomb, not that the police chased him around and set off their own bomb
That's why it's lol
That's the way I read it...but he would have had to have been pretty wounded to let the dude from Short Circuit roll up and pull the pin
Maybe he took a nap after a long night of gun shooting
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 10:24:45 AM
over 60 cops have been killed in duty so far this year. I think the ppl ratio is over 300 now. Half of those white, the other half minorities. It's a cop issue, not a race issue, that everyone wants to play out. I'm sure most of those cases were justified action too.If we're keeping score, the cops are still way ahead.I highly doubt that
you seriously doubt cops have unjustly killed more than FOUR people?
Post by: renocat on July 08, 2016, 10:25:21 AM
The escalation of anger fueled by inflammatory comments by many had to boil over. Unfortunately in the wrong way. I am doing some soul searching today. Two horrid events in Minn and Dallas.makes me weep for America.
Post by: mocat on July 08, 2016, 10:26:08 AM
over 60 cops have been killed in duty so far this year. I think the ppl ratio is over 300 now. Half of those white, the other half minorities. It's a cop issue, not a race issue, that everyone wants to play out. I'm sure most of those cases were justified action too.If we're keeping score, the cops are still way ahead.I highly doubt that
you seriously doubt cops have unjustly killed more than FOUR people?
bruh there was a link in the cops thread that it was well over 1,000 people were murdered by cops in the last year alone
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 08, 2016, 10:27:33 AM
over 60 cops have been killed in duty so far this year. I think the ppl ratio is over 300 now. Half of those white, the other half minorities. It's a cop issue, not a race issue, that everyone wants to play out. I'm sure most of those cases were justified action too.If we're keeping score, the cops are still way ahead.I highly doubt that
you seriously doubt cops have unjustly killed more than FOUR people?
bruh there was a link in the cops thread that it was well over 1,000 people were murdered by cops in the last year alone
Murdered as in killed and then prosecuted and found guilty for it?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 10:27:44 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 10:29:19 AM
Sounds made upover 60 cops have been killed in duty so far this year. I think the ppl ratio is over 300 now. Half of those white, the other half minorities. It's a cop issue, not a race issue, that everyone wants to play out. I'm sure most of those cases were justified action too.If we're keeping score, the cops are still way ahead.I highly doubt that
you seriously doubt cops have unjustly killed more than FOUR people?
bruh there was a link in the cops thread that it was well over 1,000 people were murdered by cops in the last year alone
Post by: mocat on July 08, 2016, 10:30:14 AM
Sounds made upover 60 cops have been killed in duty so far this year. I think the ppl ratio is over 300 now. Half of those white, the other half minorities. It's a cop issue, not a race issue, that everyone wants to play out. I'm sure most of those cases were justified action too.If we're keeping score, the cops are still way ahead.I highly doubt that
you seriously doubt cops have unjustly killed more than FOUR people?
bruh there was a link in the cops thread that it was well over 1,000 people were murdered by cops in the last year alone
yeah i know, it's crazy how much of a problem it is
Post by: ChiComCat on July 08, 2016, 10:30:32 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 10:30:52 AM
Did you click my link?Sounds made upover 60 cops have been killed in duty so far this year. I think the ppl ratio is over 300 now. Half of those white, the other half minorities. It's a cop issue, not a race issue, that everyone wants to play out. I'm sure most of those cases were justified action too.If we're keeping score, the cops are still way ahead.I highly doubt that
you seriously doubt cops have unjustly killed more than FOUR people?
bruh there was a link in the cops thread that it was well over 1,000 people were murdered by cops in the last year alone
yeah i know, it's crazy how much of a problem it is
Post by: Asteriskhead on July 08, 2016, 10:31:17 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 08, 2016, 10:32:08 AM
I think people are entrenched on two sides of an issue that aren't mutually exclusive. It doesn't have to be a partisan issue. There doesn't have to be a score kept on either side. Cops that murder people are shitty. People that murder cops are shitty. Both should be held accountable.
Jon Stewart sock? :sdeek:
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 08, 2016, 10:34:20 AM
Did you click my link?Sounds made upover 60 cops have been killed in duty so far this year. I think the ppl ratio is over 300 now. Half of those white, the other half minorities. It's a cop issue, not a race issue, that everyone wants to play out. I'm sure most of those cases were justified action too.If we're keeping score, the cops are still way ahead.I highly doubt that
you seriously doubt cops have unjustly killed more than FOUR people?
bruh there was a link in the cops thread that it was well over 1,000 people were murdered by cops in the last year alone
yeah i know, it's crazy how much of a problem it is
You know January through June isn't the last year, right?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 10:35:33 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 08, 2016, 10:36:33 AM
I count this year, as 2016, but whatever.
Yeah, this year is 2016. "Over the last year" would be July 2015 to present, though.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 10:38:24 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on July 08, 2016, 10:46:40 AM
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This guy was a congressman
I deserve to be killed because some psycho offed some cops? :frown: nice knowing you guys
Post by: OK_Cat on July 08, 2016, 10:58:38 AM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on July 08, 2016, 11:13:56 AM
I think people are entrenched on two sides of an issue that aren't mutually exclusive. It doesn't have to be a partisan issue. There doesn't have to be a score kept on either side. Cops that murder people are shitty. People that murder cops are shitty. Both should be held accountable.this is the correct answer..
Post by: MakeItRain on July 08, 2016, 11:14:49 AM
This seems like a great time to choose sides, point fingers, and hurl insults at each other. Yup.
I feel like there's only one poster itt doing that, him and that dude who said I should watch out because I think black lives matter.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 11:16:11 AM
Sure thing, MIR.This seems like a great time to choose sides, point fingers, and hurl insults at each other. Yup.
I feel like there's only one poster itt doing that, him and that dude who said I should watch out because I think black lives matter.
Post by: MakeItRain on July 08, 2016, 11:27:48 AM
Sure thing, MIR.This seems like a great time to choose sides, point fingers, and hurl insults at each other. Yup.
I feel like there's only one poster itt doing that, him and that dude who said I should watch out because I think black lives matter.
I mean its an indisputable fact that aside from the Joe Walsh tweet this thread wasn't about race until you and 'lemy did it on back-to-back posts on page three. I mean you can play the "stop talking about race" card all you want and blame others for making everything about race but we all have eyes and can read, you did it bub.
Post by: michigancat on July 08, 2016, 11:40:36 AM
Post by: Trim on July 08, 2016, 12:03:27 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 12:19:23 PM
https://www.facebook.com/sangoule.bah
Post by: cfbandyman on July 08, 2016, 12:26:14 PM
I think people are entrenched on two sides of an issue that aren't mutually exclusive. It doesn't have to be a partisan issue. There doesn't have to be a score kept on either side. Cops that murder people are shitty. People that murder cops are shitty. Both should be held accountable.
Woah woah woah. Fair, reasonable and well thought out responses are not what the pit is about. GTFO with this type of level-headedness :curse:
In all seriousness, and like y-la said, this is the correct response.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 08, 2016, 12:27:07 PM
I think people are entrenched on two sides of an issue that aren't mutually exclusive. It doesn't have to be a partisan issue. There doesn't have to be a score kept on either side. Cops that murder people are shitty. People that murder cops are shitty. Both should be held accountable.
I agree these are just anecdotal events incident to an extremely diverse country with over 325 million people. Ironic that it occurred at a rally attempting to conflate anecdotal events as systemic racism. People are very stupid, and even stupider in large groups.
Post by: Gooch on July 08, 2016, 01:33:06 PM
it was barry wasn't itCyborg not a robot.
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 08, 2016, 01:39:05 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 01:49:54 PM
The shooters facebook page is interestingHalf the stuff on his wall, is about police brutality.
https://www.facebook.com/sangoule.bah
Post by: MakeItRain on July 08, 2016, 01:55:05 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 08, 2016, 01:57:29 PM
:sdeek:
Post by: steve dave on July 08, 2016, 01:59:46 PM
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/headlines/20160708-texas-lt.-gov.-dan-patrick-calls-dallas-protesters-hypocrites-for-running-from-sniper-s-bullets.ece
:sdeek:
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"All those protesters last night, they turned around and ran the other way expecting the men and women in blue to protect them. What hypocrites!" an audibly emotional Patrick said.
"I do blame people on social media with their hatred toward police," he said. "I do blame former Black Lives Matter protests. .... This has to stop."
:sdeek:
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 08, 2016, 02:04:21 PM
Social media is, and always will be, the worst display of humanity.
Post by: MakeItRain on July 08, 2016, 02:05:51 PM
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/headlines/20160708-texas-lt.-gov.-dan-patrick-calls-dallas-protesters-hypocrites-for-running-from-sniper-s-bullets.ece
:sdeek:
Body of work
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Texas-Lt-Gov-Dan-Patrick-Deletes-Bible-Tweet-After-Orlando-Massacre-382615421.html
Post by: star seed 7 on July 08, 2016, 02:06:29 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 02:07:29 PM
Is he posting from the grave or can I not read facebook properly? That is showing posts made in the last two hours.Weird. Must be a fake.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 08, 2016, 02:09:25 PM
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/headlines/20160708-texas-lt.-gov.-dan-patrick-calls-dallas-protesters-hypocrites-for-running-from-sniper-s-bullets.ece
:sdeek:
Body of work
http://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/Texas-Lt-Gov-Dan-Patrick-Deletes-Bible-Tweet-After-Orlando-Massacre-382615421.html
I would like someone to ask if the police reap what they sow
Post by: Cartierfor3 on July 08, 2016, 02:20:28 PM
Post by: renocat on July 08, 2016, 02:24:37 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 02:26:40 PM
I want to know more about this bomb thing they used.I think it's like the machine in sandlot that tries to throw the ball over
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9FjcQuLWmQ
Post by: Cartierfor3 on July 08, 2016, 02:29:07 PM
#BLACKRADICALTERRORISTGOBOOM
good one skin ben
Post by: Cartierfor3 on July 08, 2016, 02:33:55 PM
I want to know more about this bomb thing they used.
Can't find the tweet, but read it is similar to what is being used by military in the ME, I guess ad hoc in the using it to kill people way.
ok I am 0% closer to knowing more about this bomb thing
Post by: AppleJack on July 08, 2016, 02:40:04 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 08, 2016, 03:12:29 PM
Dan Patrick is a known piece of crap
@tobias :lol:
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Post by: Tobias on July 08, 2016, 03:15:20 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 04:23:18 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 04:26:45 PM
Post by: michigancat on July 08, 2016, 05:56:28 PM
I want to know more about this bomb thing they used.
http://fusion.net/story/323173/dallas-bomb-robot/
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 07:11:21 PM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 08, 2016, 07:36:28 PM
Post by: Tobias on July 08, 2016, 08:35:16 PM
Post by: bucket on July 08, 2016, 11:14:58 PM
Quote
"All those protesters last night, they ran the other way, expecting the men and women in blue to turn around and protect them. What hypocrites,"
Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick
Post by: The Big Train on July 08, 2016, 11:16:59 PM
Quote"All those protesters last night, they ran the other way, expecting the men and women in blue to turn around and protect them. What hypocrites,"
Texas Lt. Gov. Dan Patrick
Eye opening for sure, bucket.
Post by: Ptolemy on July 08, 2016, 11:46:37 PM
I mean its an indisputable fact that aside from the Joe Walsh tweet this thread wasn't about race until you and 'lemy did it on back-to-back posts on page three. I mean you can play the "stop talking about race" card all you want and blame others for making everything about race but we all have eyes and can read, you did it bub.
Actually, I only highlighted that Obama was the first one with a platform to blame any of this on race.
But believe what you must.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 09, 2016, 10:46:52 AM
Post by: bucket on July 09, 2016, 10:52:58 AM
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/cops-tennessee-shooter-targeted-white-victims-similar-to-dallas-ambush
Use words, dax
Post by: SdK on July 09, 2016, 12:38:28 PM
Post by: SdK on July 09, 2016, 12:43:58 PM
What's lost in all of this, is the white kid who got gunned down by police two days ago in fresno. smdh.God you are so insufferable on political and racial issues. Still love you bro, but man. :)
Post by: SdK on July 09, 2016, 12:52:12 PM
I'd love thatI think people are entrenched on two sides of an issue that aren't mutually exclusive. It doesn't have to be a partisan issue. There doesn't have to be a score kept on either side. Cops that murder people are shitty. People that murder cops are shitty. Both should be held accountable.
Jon Stewart sock? :sdeek:
Post by: SdK on July 09, 2016, 12:56:10 PM
I'm pretty impressed the cops tried to negotiate as long as they did. Twitter last night made it seem like Dallas PD is pretty good overall at reducing crime without murdering a bunch of folks.Me too. Remember when that guy killed those cops in Topeka like 3 years ago. The KBI blew his ass away on camera.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 09, 2016, 04:07:22 PM
How hard do does Dax think it is to snipe? I can't do it it, but I'm sure thousands can. Grief
Because thousands have been in the military, the guy was a reservist for 6 years and had an 8 month tour of duty in the Middle East. That was the point . . . good flying spaghetti monster. :facepalm:
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 09, 2016, 08:21:04 PM
Most of my best friends are extreme left wing liberals. You don't have to agree politically to get along with ppl. It's ok to have opposing view points on stuff. It's human nature. I'm not racist like some would like you to think. I just like getting down to brass tax. More whites have died from cop gun fire in the last year vs #blm. We have a problem in this country. I'm just not going to sell out to the media agenda. Do African Americans get a tougher break? Probably so. But the Mizzou crap show proved it's all noise and no matter.What's lost in all of this, is the white kid who got gunned down by police two days ago in fresno. smdh.God you are so insufferable on political and racial issues. Still love you bro, but man. :)
Post by: star seed 7 on July 09, 2016, 08:35:27 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 09, 2016, 08:39:47 PM
Sometimes the brass tax can be more complicated than you thinkThat's why we're all trying to talk through this. Sorry if I'm not throwing a grenade like most of you, that all cops are racist pigs, because they're not.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 09, 2016, 08:45:46 PM
Post by: bucket on July 09, 2016, 09:06:16 PM
Most of my best friends are extreme left wing liberals. You don't have to agree politically to get along with ppl. It's ok to have opposing view points on stuff. It's human nature. I'm not racist like some would like you to think. I just like getting down to brass tax. More whites have died from cop gun fire in the last year vs #blm. We have a problem in this country. I'm just not going to sell out to the media agenda. Do African Americans get a tougher break? Probably so. But the Mizzou crap show proved it's all noise and no matter.What's lost in all of this, is the white kid who got gunned down by police two days ago in fresno. smdh.God you are so insufferable on political and racial issues. Still love you bro, but man. :)
Strong argument
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 09, 2016, 09:12:43 PM
Post by: bucket on July 09, 2016, 09:20:07 PM
I hope more people are willing to discuss this problem.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 09, 2016, 09:30:38 PM
I think you're someone who will at least discuss the issue. That's not something you can say for a lot of people. I just think it's ridiculous if your defense to the argument is , "More whites have died from cop gun fire in the last year vs #blm"I obviously can, but the Fresno shooting is being ignored and I hate it. Black racist exist, it's real, and the story needs to be told. Ppl wanna point fingers, bu they should be pointing at their own face
I hope more people are willing to discuss this problem.
Post by: bucket on July 09, 2016, 09:37:21 PM
I think you're someone who will at least discuss the issue. That's not something you can say for a lot of people. I just think it's ridiculous if your defense to the argument is , "More whites have died from cop gun fire in the last year vs #blm"I obviously can, but the Fresno shooting is being ignored and I hate it. Black racist exist, it's real, and the story needs to be told. Ppl wanna point fingers, bu they should be pointing at their own face
I hope more people are willing to discuss this problem.
I'm ok with everything you just said.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 09, 2016, 09:52:01 PM
Post by: The Big Train on July 09, 2016, 10:03:15 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 09, 2016, 10:04:29 PM
Post by: sys on July 09, 2016, 10:28:38 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 10, 2016, 08:39:45 AM
Post by: Tobias on July 10, 2016, 09:07:44 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 10, 2016, 12:21:37 PM
Post by: bucket on July 10, 2016, 12:30:49 PM
The issue is nobody can articulate the issue. So let's all go stand in the middle of the highway. The blm movement is an even more Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and delusional branch of the feelthebern movement.
Yes, it's hard to "articulate the issue" when people view it as "Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and delusional."
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 10, 2016, 12:37:31 PM
The issue is nobody can articulate the issue. So let's all go stand in the middle of the highway. The blm movement is an even more Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and delusional branch of the feelthebern movement.
Yes, it's hard to "articulate the issue" when people view it as "Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and delusional."
Why don't you step up and articulate why, in spite of the damning statistics, the blm campaign isn't a farce. What does it stand for?
While your at it, explain why it's ho-hum for blacks to murder each other at the rate of 6000 per year.
If any of that is too difficult, just explain what isn't Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) or delusional about the movement.
Post by: SdK on July 10, 2016, 12:44:58 PM
Post by: bucket on July 10, 2016, 12:46:54 PM
The issue is nobody can articulate the issue. So let's all go stand in the middle of the highway. The blm movement is an even more Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and delusional branch of the feelthebern movement.
Yes, it's hard to "articulate the issue" when people view it as "Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and delusional."
Why don't you step up and articulate why, in spite of the damning statistics, the blm campaign isn't a farce. What does it stand for?
While your at it, explain why it's ho-hum for blacks to murder each other at the rate of 6000 per year.
If any of that is too difficult, just explain what isn't Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) or delusional about the movement.
1. After the last week how do you not understand what BLM stands for?
2. Black-on-black crimes aren't the matter being discussed.
Post by: The Big Train on July 10, 2016, 12:48:20 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 10, 2016, 12:50:27 PM
SDK, are in the wlm movement?
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 10, 2016, 12:51:45 PM
The issue is nobody can articulate the issue. So let's all go stand in the middle of the highway. The blm movement is an even more Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and delusional branch of the feelthebern movement.
Yes, it's hard to "articulate the issue" when people view it as "Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and delusional."
Why don't you step up and articulate why, in spite of the damning statistics, the blm campaign isn't a farce. What does it stand for?
While your at it, explain why it's ho-hum for blacks to murder each other at the rate of 6000 per year.
If any of that is too difficult, just explain what isn't Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) or delusional about the movement.
1. After the last week how do you not understand what BLM stands for?
2. Black-on-black crimes aren't the matter being discussed.
Nonresponsive, what a shock.
Post by: SdK on July 10, 2016, 12:52:13 PM
Post by: SdK on July 10, 2016, 12:53:01 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 10, 2016, 12:54:43 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 10, 2016, 12:57:37 PM
http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-myths-of-black-lives-matter-1468087453
Post by: SdK on July 10, 2016, 01:02:08 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 10, 2016, 01:12:26 PM
Post by: bucket on July 10, 2016, 01:16:06 PM
When confronted on substance, the retreat is swift and immediate.
No, your words reveal the problem
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 10, 2016, 02:13:48 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on July 10, 2016, 07:05:34 PM
BLM also tends to pick some really terrible victims to get behind. Maybe this time they've actually found some real victims - we'll see - but these riots just make things worse.
Also, the liberals are strangely reluctant to link this killer to BLM. I'm sure they would show similar restraint if a conservative group were involved....
I was driving home the other day and one of those little national news radio spots popped on. The ones the local people just read straight from the AP? So in describing the killers links to the Black Panthers on Facebook, they described it as "investigating possible links to an Afro-centric political group." You just can't make this crap up. The extent to which our government and media contort words or straight out lie to drive The Narrative is straight up George Orwell, and it is a major problem for the well being of our country.
Post by: michigancat on July 10, 2016, 07:29:26 PM
I think the point is that black lives should matter both to cops and other black people, and BLM loses a lot of credibility when it focuses on one issue to the exclusion of the other, particularly when black-on-black violence is a significantly worse issue.
:rolleyes:
Post by: renocat on July 10, 2016, 07:29:37 PM
The ball remains in your court, buckettardBLM has no.credibility if.they don't give crap about the poor souls killed by black on black slaughter or.support planned hamburger that kills.thousands of black babies. I think BLM is made up of.agitating leaders.trying to develop a.career for.themselves like all of the Rev Al Sharpy types.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 10, 2016, 07:32:51 PM
At its core, it looks more like a violent, anarchist, anti-cop hate group.
Post by: SkinnyBenny on July 10, 2016, 08:00:22 PM
The blm is, at best, disingenous, as noted by ksu above.
At its core, it looks more like a violent, anarchist, anti-cop hate group.
Bro, when you're pointing to K-S-U-W as some pillar of truth to back up your point, it might be time to find a different pillar.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on July 10, 2016, 08:04:29 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 10, 2016, 08:06:03 PM
I think the point is that black lives should matter both to cops and other black people, and BLM loses a lot of credibility when it focuses on one issue to the exclusion of the other, particularly when black-on-black violence is a significantly worse issue.
BLM also tends to pick some really terrible victims to get behind. Maybe this time they've actually found some real victims - we'll see - but these riots just make things worse.
Also, the liberals are strangely reluctant to link this killer to BLM. I'm sure they would show similar restraint if a conservative group were involved....
I was driving home the other day and one of those little national news radio spots popped on. The ones the local people just read straight from the AP? So in describing the killers links to the Black Panthers on Facebook, they described it as "investigating possible links to an Afro-centric political group." You just can't make this crap up. The extent to which our government and media contort words or straight out lie to drive The Narrative is straight up George Orwell, and it is a major problem for the well being of our country.
:Ugh:
Post by: SdK on July 10, 2016, 08:09:27 PM
Post by: Institutional Control on July 10, 2016, 08:10:08 PM
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 10, 2016, 08:14:20 PM
So far we have an "eye roll" and a personal attack. Good, typically teenage, liberal responses.
Yes. Very predictable
Post by: chum1 on July 10, 2016, 08:14:56 PM
I think the point is that black lives should matter both to cops and other black people, :flush: and BLM loses a lot of credibility when it focuses on one issue to the exclusion of the other, :flush: particularly when black-on-black violence is a significantly worse issue. :flush:
BLM also tends to pick some really terrible victims to get behind. :flush: Maybe this time they've actually found some real victims - we'll see - but these riots just make things worse. :flush:
Also, the liberals are strangely reluctant to link this killer to BLM. :flush: I'm sure they would show similar restraint if a conservative group were involved.... :flush:
I was driving home :flush: the :flush: day and one of those little :flush: national news radio spots popped on. :flush: ones the local :flush: people just read straight from the AP? :flush: So in describing the killers links to the Black Panthers :flush: Facebook, they described it as "investigating :flush: possible links to an :flush: -centric political group." You just can't make :flush: crap up. The extent to which our government and media contort :flush: words :flush: straight out lie to drive The Narrative is :flush: up George :flush: , and it is a major problem for the well being :flush: our country. :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush: :flush:
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 10, 2016, 08:15:21 PM
The blm is, at best, disingenous, as noted by ksu above.
At its core, it looks more like a violent, anarchist, anti-cop hate group.
Bro, when you're pointing to K-S-U-W as some pillar of truth to back up your point, it might be time to find a different pillar.
What part of his post wasn't true, libtard?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 10, 2016, 08:56:03 PM
Post by: renocat on July 10, 2016, 10:49:47 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 11, 2016, 09:52:53 AM
Last fall it was widely reported Soros was handing out 33 million to groups associated with the Black Lives Matter cause. Us gravy eaters are kind of slow but we know that kind of money will get the giver some action. Now this for an entrepreneur community communist organizer this.is.a.big teated cash cow that you can milk to the.promise land. One.catch, the money want.come unless.you produce and.make.a.name for yourself. A BLM blogger dude moved to Baton Rouge to be in the action, and riled.up police and got arrested - kaching.
Free mkt
Post by: everyone shut up on July 11, 2016, 11:41:29 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 11, 2016, 01:14:53 PM
Post by: CNS on July 11, 2016, 01:51:14 PM
So I guess Rudy Giuliani went full racist this weekend. I don't think I really saw that coming
He is trying to trump himself to relevance again
Post by: MakeItRain on July 11, 2016, 02:17:37 PM
I think the point is that black lives should matter both to cops and other black people, and BLM loses a lot of credibility when it focuses on one issue to the exclusion of the other, particularly when black-on-black violence is a significantly worse issue.
BLM also tends to pick some really terrible victims to get behind. Maybe this time they've actually found some real victims - we'll see - but these riots just make things worse.
Also, the liberals are strangely reluctant to link this killer to BLM. I'm sure they would show similar restraint if a conservative group were involved....
I was driving home the other day and one of those little national news radio spots popped on. The ones the local people just read straight from the AP? So in describing the killers links to the Black Panthers on Facebook, they described it as "investigating possible links to an Afro-centric political group." You just can't make this crap up. The extent to which our government and media contort words or straight out lie to drive The Narrative is straight up George Orwell, and it is a major problem for the well being of our country.
I don't know who you, fsd, and wacky are referring to when you say blm, or the blm movement, or blm thugs; whatever. I do know that black lives matter and I think saying "all lives matter" is stupid because it is tone deaf and misses the point, in addition to that I'm unflinchingly, uncompromisingly black, so you must be talking about me.
The talking point that black lives matter is only about racist white cops is the biggest strawman and/or false flag that currently exists. People that say this including Rudy Giuliani fit into two categories; uneducated or are a liar. I have mentioned on here more than once the movement is about broader contextual issues like our country's history of institutional racism and how that has lead to a devaluation of black lives by all groups including other black people. This devaluation of black lives lead to things like police officers giving black people less latitude, surgeons giving black people less pain meds, and yes black-on-black crime. FSD has mocked me before for pointing this out.
You literally only have to read the first paragraph of the black lives matter wiki page philosophy section to find this:
Quote
Black Lives Matter incorporates those traditionally on the margins of black freedom movements.[7] The organization's website, for instance, states that Black Lives Matter is "a unique contribution that goes beyond extrajudicial killings of black people by police and vigilantes" and, embracing intersectionality, that "Black Lives Matter affirms the lives of black queer and trans folks, disabled folks, black undocumented folks, folks with records, women and all black lives along the gender spectrum."[34]
Despite all of this I'm sure it's a matter of time before one of you brings up the old tired trope of, they just care about racist white cops.
Post by: MakeItRain on July 11, 2016, 02:26:54 PM
So I guess Rudy Giuliani went full racist this weekend. I don't think I really saw that coming
I heard him on Face The Nation, that act isn't new for him. I loved his saying over and over "blacks have a 99% chance to be killed by another black." I'm not misquoting him either and he said it more than once. I watched he and Fuhrman during the Ferguson stuff and it was amazing to watch the both of them stop just short of saying "those porch monkeys need to find jobs."
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 11, 2016, 02:40:38 PM
Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 11, 2016, 02:42:43 PM
Post by: mocat on July 11, 2016, 02:59:56 PM
Does it state how it goes beyond?
does it need to? it's called "black lives matter" not "hey WHITE PEOPLE, black lives matter"
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 11, 2016, 03:02:11 PM
Does it state how it goes beyond?
does it need to? it's called "black lives matter" not "hey WHITE PEOPLE, black lives matter"
Does it need to exist at all?
I do think that if it stated how it goes beyond clearly, it makes it easier to understand the message. That way I don't have to infer it. Clarity is a good thing.
Post by: mocat on July 11, 2016, 03:07:23 PM
Does it state how it goes beyond?
does it need to? it's called "black lives matter" not "hey WHITE PEOPLE, black lives matter"
Does it need to exist at all?
good grief
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 11, 2016, 03:10:20 PM
Does it state how it goes beyond?
does it need to? it's called "black lives matter" not "hey WHITE PEOPLE, black lives matter"
Does it need to exist at all?
good grief
I was just pointing to the ridiculousness of your question. Necessity of course being arbitrary or subject to perspective in this instance. You don't always have to be such a douche.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 11, 2016, 03:12:28 PM
Does it state how it goes beyond?
does it need to? it's called "black lives matter" not "hey WHITE PEOPLE, black lives matter"
Does it need to exist at all?
I do think that if it stated how it goes beyond clearly, it makes it easier to understand the message. That way I don't have to infer it. Clarity is a good thing.
Does the NRA need to exist?
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 11, 2016, 03:15:45 PM
Does it state how it goes beyond?
does it need to? it's called "black lives matter" not "hey WHITE PEOPLE, black lives matter"
Does it need to exist at all?
I do think that if it stated how it goes beyond clearly, it makes it easier to understand the message. That way I don't have to infer it. Clarity is a good thing.
Does the NRA need to exist?
Arbitrary I guess. The NRA does have a clear mission statement so I can appreciate that. I'm still unsure if BLM does or does not; those who might know seem to be incapable of answering a simple question.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 11, 2016, 03:30:18 PM
https://www.facebook.com/TheREALCloydRivers/photos/a.418519124851811.82122.397092596994464/1051795218190862/?type=3&theater
Post by: Trim on July 11, 2016, 03:32:28 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 11, 2016, 03:38:54 PM
:rolleyes:
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 11, 2016, 03:44:36 PM
I think wacky is has morphed into a link clickbait bot or something.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on July 11, 2016, 03:45:59 PM
The talking point that black lives matter is only about racist white cops is the biggest strawman and/or false flag that currently exists. People that say this including Rudy Giuliani fit into two categories; uneducated or are a liar. I have mentioned on here more than once the movement is about broader contextual issues like our country's history of institutional racism and how that has lead to a devaluation of black lives by all groups including other black people. This devaluation of black lives lead to things like police officers giving black people less latitude, surgeons giving black people less pain meds, and yes black-on-black crime. FSD has mocked me before for pointing this out.
You literally only have to read the first paragraph of the black lives matter wiki page philosophy section to find this:QuoteBlack Lives Matter incorporates those traditionally on the margins of black freedom movements.[7] The organization's website, for instance, states that Black Lives Matter is "a unique contribution that goes beyond extrajudicial killings of black people by police and vigilantes" and, embracing intersectionality, that "Black Lives Matter affirms the lives of black queer and trans folks, disabled folks, black undocumented folks, folks with records, women and all black lives along the gender spectrum."[34]
Despite all of this I'm sure it's a matter of time before one of you brings up the old tired trope of, they just care about racist white cops.
First, a great many BLM advocates would not agree with you. They freely admit their primary focus is on police brutality, and take offense to the suggestion that they should have to focus on black-on-black crime.
Regardless, there's a difference between (1) putting a statement on a website or having a symposium just to cover you bases and (2) what you're actual marching / protesting / rioting for. I haven't seen many BLM protests and riots organized against black-on-black violence or any of the other stuff you set forth above. The flashpoint for BLM is cop-on-black violence. That is what they take to the streets for, so that's what they are associated with. When BLM organizes a march through south side Chicago protesting black-on-black violence and calling for more police involvement to quell the violence, let me know.
So deny it until you're blue in the face, but you're either being naïve or disingenuous. BLM activists want to focus on the cops. They view black-on-black crime as either being a statistical falsehood, or irrelevant to the discussion. But if they really thought black lives mattered, they'd want to focus on saving as many black lives as possible, which means asking for more police intervention - not throwing rocks at them or worse.
Post by: 8manpick on July 11, 2016, 04:31:16 PM
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/alphas-in-the-streets-march_us_565364c2e4b0879a5b0be458
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg.huffingtonpost.com%2Fasset%2Fscalefit_630_noupscale%2F56538adc1700004b00e1a67d.jpeg&hash=24a44d7bb899760ffcf5e705b39765e5f128d08b)
https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20151201/downtown/chicagoans-actually-do-protest-violence-their-communities-all-time
Post by: Gooch on July 11, 2016, 04:38:57 PM
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Post by: star seed 7 on July 11, 2016, 04:40:33 PM
Man Chicago summers look like they suck. Lol at Cats2win worrying about pants for dinner.
Every weather condition in Chicago sucks
Post by: michigancat on July 11, 2016, 04:54:51 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on July 11, 2016, 05:00:52 PM
Well there are already shitloads of marches for peace in SS Chicago already, including those who associate with BLM.
Yeah, I was looking for other events and I kept running into phrases like "including those who associate with BLM." It's pretty difficult to find an honest to goodness BLM protest against anything besides police brutality. A protest organized by a black fraternity doesn't seem like the same thing even if some of the members consider themselves to be part of the BLM movement. I realize that might seem like splitting hairs, but I don't think we can assume all black people, or all black protestors, associate with BLM. Most of the marches I've read about against black-on-black violence seem to be organized by faith groups.
Post by: 8manpick on July 11, 2016, 05:04:10 PM
Could be true, but on the flip side, these faith groups and fraternities and others are already marching and protesting on a frequent basis for violence in their communities. Would BLM see the need to duplicate that effort, especially when there media and other agents for change more or less ignore those protests anyway?Well there are already shitloads of marches for peace in SS Chicago already, including those who associate with BLM.
Yeah, I was looking for other events and I kept running into phrases like "including those who associate with BLM." It's pretty difficult to find an honest to goodness BLM protest against anything besides police brutality. A protest organized by a black fraternity doesn't seem like the same thing even if some of the members consider themselves to be part of the BLM movement. I realize that might seem like splitting hairs, but I don't think we can assume all black people, or all black protestors, associate with BLM. Most of the marches I've read about against black-on-black violence seem to be organized by faith groups.
Post by: Trim on July 11, 2016, 05:10:11 PM
Also how big of a pain in the ass are the Chicago protest going to be this weekend?
None. Our itinerary is so well-spaced out that it allows for not just extra time traveling but the opportunity to participate in the protests, especially if they're specifically geared towards protesting police brutality.
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Post by: michigancat on July 11, 2016, 05:25:50 PM
Also, people march for dimes, against cancer etc. people can commit to multiple causes that may or may not be maximally utilitarian. Also true but irrelevant--- everyone dies eventually.
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Post by: sys on July 11, 2016, 05:28:12 PM
I think wanting police to kill fewer people of a certain race is a worthy cause even if it isn't the leading cause of death for that race.
if a = xb + yb + etc and b = basal rate of homicide by cops, x = multiplier for blacks, y = multiplier for whites and etc = the same for any other group you want to input, i don't really care if you are fixated on x, y, etc or b as long as you want to do something to reduce a.
and even with all that said, the fact that the murdered minnesota guy was stopped 52 or 62 or however many times it was in the recent past is a much bigger problem than the fact that he was shot on one of those occasions, as undramatic as that sounds.
Post by: Kat Kid on July 11, 2016, 05:41:41 PM
ALL Dimes matterAlso, people march for dimes, against cancer etc. people can commit to multiple causes that may or may not be maximally utilitarian. Also true but irrelevant--- everyone dies eventually.
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Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on July 11, 2016, 05:51:18 PM
There is an obvious difference between violence conducted by the state against its citizens than on citizen to citizen violence. This isn't hard.
Of course there is a difference, but they are also related. If you really care about reducing black-on-black crime, and agree it is a far worse problem in terms of loss of life, then you ought to be focusing more on that and less on vilifying the very police you need to reduce that crime. You're right, this isn't hard. You're just not thinking deeply enough.
Post by: michigancat on July 11, 2016, 05:57:17 PM
There is an obvious difference between violence conducted by the state against its citizens than on citizen to citizen violence. This isn't hard.
Of course there is a difference, but they are also related. If you really care about reducing black-on-black crime, and agree it is a far worse problem in terms of loss of life, then you ought to be focusing more on that and less on vilifying the very police you need to reduce that crime. You're right, this isn't hard. You're just not thinking deeply enough.
apparently it is hard for some
Post by: slobber on July 12, 2016, 08:38:28 AM
Royals aren't gonna win 'em all
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 12, 2016, 08:41:45 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on July 12, 2016, 08:47:21 AM
Post by: slobber on July 12, 2016, 08:50:36 AM
The word is the hero robot survivedIf he did (and this isn't just some msm speculation) then I'll bet dollars to donuts that he/she/it will never be the same.
Wacky has it right. #RLM
Royals aren't gonna win 'em all
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 12, 2016, 10:00:02 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 12, 2016, 10:48:20 AM
Post by: steve dave on July 12, 2016, 10:50:25 AM
Is it really a thing that people believe BLM cannot protest police violence until they protest/solve black on black crime?
according to this thread it apparently is
Post by: Asteriskhead on July 12, 2016, 11:01:08 AM
Is it really a thing that people believe BLM cannot protest police violence until they protest/solve black on black crime?
according to several morons in this thread it apparently is
fify
Post by: treysolid on July 12, 2016, 11:15:08 AM
Is it really a thing that people believe BLM cannot protest police violence until they protest/solve black on black crime?
but before BLM solves black-on-black crime, they need to find a cure for heart disease (the largest cause of death for AAs).
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on July 12, 2016, 11:40:49 AM
Is it really a thing that people believe BLM cannot protest police violence until they protest/solve black on black crime?
"protest/solve" was an interesting connection!
No, I don't think BLM should be required to "solve" BOB crime before protesting police violence, but it would a be good idea to make BOB crime a more prominent issue in their protests, and for their protests to not facilitate more BOB crime by vilifying police and encouraging them to withdraw from heavily minority areas. You know, if they actually want to save black lives. But maybe that's not the point of BLM.
Post by: Katpappy on July 12, 2016, 11:43:22 AM
#mocatI think wanting police to kill fewer people of a certain race is a worthy cause even if it isn't the leading cause of death for that race.
if a = xb + yb + etc and b = basal rate of homicide by cops, x = multiplier for blacks, y = multiplier for whites and etc = the same for any other group you want to input, i don't really care if you are fixated on x, y, etc or b as long as you want to do something to reduce a.
and even with all that said, the fact that the murdered minnesota guy was stopped 52 or 62 or however many times it was in the recent past is a much bigger problem than the fact that he was shot on one of those occasions, as undramatic as that sounds.
Post by: michigancat on July 12, 2016, 11:57:46 AM
Is it really a thing that people believe BLM cannot protest police violence until they protest/solve black on black crime?
"protest/solve" was an interesting connection!
No, I don't think BLM should be required to "solve" BOB crime before protesting police violence, but it would a be good idea to make BOB crime a more prominent issue in their protests, and for their protests to not facilitate more BOB crime by vilifying police and encouraging them to withdraw from heavily minority areas. You know, if they actually want to save black lives. But maybe that's not the point of BLM.
your mind is kind of amazing
Post by: Cartierfor3 on July 12, 2016, 12:02:24 PM
Post by: michigancat on July 12, 2016, 12:06:43 PM
I think what KSU is missing is that the police shootings usually go without prosecution or even reprimand.
well, he's missing a lot more than that, but it's a start
Post by: treysolid on July 12, 2016, 12:15:35 PM
I think what KSU is missing is that the police shootings usually go without prosecution or even reprimand.
KSUW is missing a lot. By choosing to take the name of the organization/movement "Black Lives Matter" hyper-literally, he's constructed a paradigm whereby he can alter the conversation by injecting talking points that distract from BLM's main issue (disproportionately unfair treatment at the hands of law enforcement). Of course, he (as an individual) isn't doing any of this, he's merely parroting talking points he's heard through various media sources.
Post by: catastrophe on July 12, 2016, 12:24:30 PM
I think what KSU is missing is that the police shootings usually go without prosecution or even reprimand.
Grand jury might acquit, but we can still shame them from our twitters!
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 12, 2016, 12:34:55 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 12, 2016, 12:37:02 PM
The actions of the blm movement as an anti-cop, disingenuous, violent hate group completely undermine the self serving Bullshit on the wiki page. Shooting the messenger doesn't cure that. If you were the criticizing party you'd be running around demanding that the actions be "condemned".
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 12, 2016, 12:38:11 PM
Are there statistics or studies that prove that blacks are treated unfairly at a disproportionate rate? Genuinely curious.
The statistics tell the opposite story, hence the criticism. Treysolid is, ironically, the Parrott he's accusing others of being
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 12, 2016, 12:38:55 PM
I think the point is that black lives should matter both to cops and other black people, and BLM loses a lot of credibility when it focuses on one issue to the exclusion of the other, particularly when black-on-black violence is a significantly worse issue.
BLM also tends to pick some really terrible victims to get behind. Maybe this time they've actually found some real victims - we'll see - but these riots just make things worse.
Also, the liberals are strangely reluctant to link this killer to BLM. I'm sure they would show similar restraint if a conservative group were involved....
I was driving home the other day and one of those little national news radio spots popped on. The ones the local people just read straight from the AP? So in describing the killers links to the Black Panthers on Facebook, they described it as "investigating possible links to an Afro-centric political group." You just can't make this crap up. The extent to which our government and media contort words or straight out lie to drive The Narrative is straight up George Orwell, and it is a major problem for the well being of our country.
I don't know who you, fsd, and wacky are referring to when you say blm, or the blm movement, or blm thugs; whatever. I do know that black lives matter and I think saying "all lives matter" is stupid because it is tone deaf and misses the point, in addition to that I'm unflinchingly, uncompromisingly black, so you must be talking about me.
The talking point that black lives matter is only about racist white cops is the biggest strawman and/or false flag that currently exists. People that say this including Rudy Giuliani fit into two categories; uneducated or are a liar. I have mentioned on here more than once the movement is about broader contextual issues like our country's history of institutional racism and how that has lead to a devaluation of black lives by all groups including other black people. This devaluation of black lives lead to things like police officers giving black people less latitude, surgeons giving black people less pain meds, and yes black-on-black crime. FSD has mocked me before for pointing this out.
You literally only have to read the first paragraph of the black lives matter wiki page philosophy section to find this:QuoteBlack Lives Matter incorporates those traditionally on the margins of black freedom movements.[7] The organization's website, for instance, states that Black Lives Matter is "a unique contribution that goes beyond extrajudicial killings of black people by police and vigilantes" and, embracing intersectionality, that "Black Lives Matter affirms the lives of black queer and trans folks, disabled folks, black undocumented folks, folks with records, women and all black lives along the gender spectrum."[34]
Despite all of this I'm sure it's a matter of time before one of you brings up the old tired trope of, they just care about racist white cops.
Completely delusional
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 12, 2016, 12:43:17 PM
-blm apologists, probably
Post by: michigancat on July 12, 2016, 12:45:46 PM
KSU has made a number of valid points that not a single one of you have substantively responded to. The superficial responses fit into two categories: 1) you don't get it (while refusing to articulate "it"), or 2) we're allowed to believe whatever we want without criticism.
The actions of the blm movement as an anti-cop, disingenuous, violent hate group completely undermine the self serving Bullshit on the wiki page. Shooting the messenger doesn't cure that. If you were the criticizing party you'd be running around demanding that the actions be "condemned".
he hasn't made any valid points
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 12, 2016, 12:51:04 PM
KSU has made a number of valid points that not a single one of you have substantively responded to. The superficial responses fit into two categories: 1) you don't get it (while refusing to articulate "it"), or 2) we're allowed to believe whatever we want without criticism.
The actions of the blm movement as an anti-cop, disingenuous, violent hate group completely undermine the self serving Bullshit on the wiki page. Shooting the messenger doesn't cure that. If you were the criticizing party you'd be running around demanding that the actions be "condemned".
he hasn't made any valid points
You don't get it
Post by: star seed 7 on July 12, 2016, 12:52:32 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 12, 2016, 12:56:05 PM
Post by: treysolid on July 12, 2016, 12:58:22 PM
Are there statistics or studies that prove that blacks are treated unfairly at a disproportionate rate? Genuinely curious.
The statistics tell the opposite story, hence the criticism. Treysolid is, ironically, the Parrott he's accusing others of being
The stats show that whites receive disproportionately unfair treatment from law enforcement??? Please, do share, oh oppressed one.
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 12, 2016, 01:00:21 PM
Are there statistics or studies that prove that blacks are treated unfairly at a disproportionate rate? Genuinely curious.
The statistics tell the opposite story, hence the criticism. Treysolid is, ironically, the Parrott he's accusing others of being
The stats show that whites receive disproportionately unfair treatment from law enforcement??? Please, do share, oh oppressed one.
While he's doing that you share your stats. Then we can compare/contrast.
Post by: michigancat on July 12, 2016, 01:08:07 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2016/
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 12, 2016, 01:14:16 PM
there is a lot of data here:I read like the first 5 latest cases on that site and everyone of them deserved what they got. Probably a bad idea to be shooting at cops or trying to slash them with a butcher knife. :th_twocents:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2016/
Post by: Tobias on July 12, 2016, 01:15:15 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 12, 2016, 01:19:54 PM
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Pablo Medina, a 41-year-old man armed with a gun, was shot on July 11, 2016, in a hotel in Romulus, Mich. Romulus police were searching for Medina after he was suspected of killing his wife and another person. After a standoff with police at a hotel, he emerged from a closet and pointed a gun at officers, police said.
MaleUnknown race30 to 44No/unknown mental illnessGunNo body cam recordingNot fleeingNo officers identified
Officers involved: Have not been publicly identified or have not been contacted by The Post.
rough ridin' pigs!
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Jason Brooks, a 41-year-old black man armed with a gun, was shot on July 11, 2016, in East St. Louis, Ill. Brooks was naked, in the street, shooting at motorists and bystanders. When Illinois state police arrived, he shot at officers.
MaleBlack30 to 44No/unknown mental illnessGunNo body cam recordingNot fleeingNo officers identified
Officers involved: Have not been publicly identified or have not been contacted by The Post.
Fire him!
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An unidentified person, a man armed with a gun, was shot on July 11, 2016, in Sacramento, Calif. Witnesses said the man was acting erratic and had a knife and gun when he was shot by Sacramento police.
MaleUnknown raceUnknown ageNo/unknown mental illnessGunNo body cam recordingNot fleeingNo officers identified
Officers involved: Have not been publicly identified or have not been contacted by The Post.
Guy was obviously just camping. :curse:
Post by: ChiComCat on July 12, 2016, 01:20:56 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 12, 2016, 01:22:56 PM
Wacky, do you think BLM is against officers ever using lethal force?I think it's a separation of a lot of things. Some who feel like they get a raw deal and want justice. Some I see as a hate group, that wants to wreak havoc, and everything in between.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 12, 2016, 01:26:29 PM
Post by: Skipper44 on July 12, 2016, 01:26:50 PM
actually KSU would care more when his tax dollars going to the victim's family after the civil suitI think what KSU is missing is that the police shootings usually go without prosecution or even reprimand.
Grand jury might acquit, but we can still shame them from our twitters!
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 12, 2016, 01:27:36 PM
A separation of what thingsCan you read?
Post by: star seed 7 on July 12, 2016, 01:30:25 PM
A separation of what thingsCan you read?
I guess I'll have to find a WackyCat08 translator again
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 12, 2016, 01:41:07 PM
Different things that some of what #blm is all about. Wreak havoc = Mizzou and the looting and fires at Ferguson.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYlMwKhtpCA https://www.facebook.com/905976526099626/videos/vb.905976526099626/1195751220455487/?type=2&theater Asking for peace in a peaceful manner and wanting to make a change = http://kfor.com/2016/07/12/watch-what-happens-when-black-lives-matter-group-counter-protesters-meet-in-dallas/Wacky, do you think BLM is against officers ever using lethal force?I think it's a separation of a lot of things. Some who feel like they get a raw deal and want justice. Some I see as a hate group, that wants to wreak havoc, and everything in between.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 12, 2016, 01:43:44 PM
Nice work in Chicago, CPD is so afraid of repercussions that they've rolled back almost entirely on proactive policing and it's gone from a war zone to a hell hole. Oh well, another U.S. city where the ProgLib machine has run the show for generations going into the shitter, nothing to see here kids.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on July 12, 2016, 01:51:53 PM
KSU has made a number of valid points that not a single one of you have substantively responded to. The superficial responses fit into two categories: 1) you don't get it (while refusing to articulate "it"), or 2) we're allowed to believe whatever we want without criticism.
The actions of the blm movement as an anti-cop, disingenuous, violent hate group completely undermine the self serving Bullshit on the wiki page. Shooting the messenger doesn't cure that. If you were the criticizing party you'd be running around demanding that the actions be "condemned".
My favorite part was when treysolid accused me of taking the BLM name "hyper-literally." :lol:
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 12, 2016, 01:52:35 PM
Are there statistics or studies that prove that blacks are treated unfairly at a disproportionate rate? Genuinely curious.
The statistics tell the opposite story, hence the criticism. Treysolid is, ironically, the Parrott he's accusing others of being
The stats show that whites receive disproportionately unfair treatment from law enforcement??? Please, do share, oh oppressed one.
The stats have been disproportionately presented ad nauseum in this thread.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 12, 2016, 01:52:50 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 12, 2016, 01:54:02 PM
KSU has made a number of valid points that not a single one of you have substantively responded to. The superficial responses fit into two categories: 1) you don't get it (while refusing to articulate "it"), or 2) we're allowed to believe whatever we want without criticism.
The actions of the blm movement as an anti-cop, disingenuous, violent hate group completely undermine the self serving Bullshit on the wiki page. Shooting the messenger doesn't cure that. If you were the criticizing party you'd be running around demanding that the actions be "condemned".
My favorite part was when treysolid accused me of taking the BLM name "hyper-literally." :lol:
Agreed. That was hyper-idiotic
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 12, 2016, 01:56:09 PM
I think in this instance he meant combinationThat would make more sense. Every group has their extremes.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 12, 2016, 01:56:40 PM
Post by: sys on July 12, 2016, 01:57:57 PM
Are there statistics or studies that prove that blacks are treated unfairly at a disproportionate rate? Genuinely curious.
wackycat posted a link yesterday, either in this thread or the missouri cop thread.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 12, 2016, 01:59:48 PM
https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/752487532311506944
Post by: michigancat on July 12, 2016, 02:06:54 PM
DBC in 2015 for white's outpaced black and Hispanic/Latino combined. No marches tho.
lol, congrats to white people
Post by: star seed 7 on July 12, 2016, 02:07:11 PM
I think in this instance he meant combination
Thank you for the translation
Post by: star seed 7 on July 12, 2016, 02:09:22 PM
Minus the KKK of course.
The KKK doesn't have extremes or they aren't extreme?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 12, 2016, 02:11:04 PM
They're all rough ridin' extreme and only serve a hateful message.Minus the KKK of course.
The KKK doesn't have extremes or they aren't extreme?
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on July 12, 2016, 02:13:05 PM
https://twitter.com/ClayTravis/status/752487532311506944
Did you actually read that article?
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The study, a National Bureau of Economic Research working paper, relied on reports filled out by police officers and on police departments willing to share those reports. Recent videos of police shootings have led to questions about the reliability of such accounts. But the results were largely the same whether or not Mr. Fryer used information from narratives by officers.
Such results may not be true in every city. The cities Mr. Fryer used to examine officer-involved shootings make up only about 4 percent of the nation’s population, and serve more black citizens than average.
Moreover, the results do not mean that the general public’s perception of racism in policing is misguided. Lethal uses of force are exceedingly rare. There were 1.6 million arrests in Houston in the years Mr. Fryer studied. Officers fired their weapons 507 times. What is far more common are nonlethal uses of force.
And in these uses of force, Mr. Fryer found racial differences, which is in accord with public perception and other studies.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 12, 2016, 02:14:35 PM
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on July 12, 2016, 02:16:54 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 12, 2016, 02:18:31 PM
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on July 12, 2016, 02:19:24 PM
Post by: mocat on July 12, 2016, 02:19:36 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 12, 2016, 02:21:23 PM
Also, these conversations reveal who actually paid attention in statistics class.Well I got an A in stats, so get mumped Nardfrog!
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on July 12, 2016, 02:21:28 PM
That study is the best that's out there, nardfrog. Of course i'm not saying it's a 100% accurate.
The composition of the study is flawed. You can't draw any definitive conclusions about accuracy as a result. It's an interesting look at some of the data but it doesn't really confirm or deny much.
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on July 12, 2016, 02:23:14 PM
Well I got an A in stats, so get mumped Nardfrog!
Being able to plug in numbers in a formula doesn't equal comprehension.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 12, 2016, 02:25:10 PM
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on July 12, 2016, 02:28:36 PM
You're right. That Harvard Professor is a real dumbass.
That's not what I said.
I said it's an interesting look at the data, but it is far from being definitive. Small sample size, geographic restrictions, and self reports=bad study design for meaningful conclusions.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 12, 2016, 02:31:32 PM
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on July 12, 2016, 02:32:15 PM
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Mr. Fryer emphasizes that the work is not the definitive analysis of police shootings, and that more data would be needed to understand the country as a whole.
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 12, 2016, 02:42:21 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 12, 2016, 02:47:29 PM
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on July 12, 2016, 02:51:28 PM
The study did show that black people are about 20% more likely to be mistreated by means other than getting shot. I'm not sure how reliable those numbers are if the numbers that say they are no more likely to get shot can't be used, though.
Re-read the article. That data came from another much larger study.
Edit: Also, never said that it couldn't be used. Just noted that you can't make definitive conclusions due to the study's design.
Post by: Trim on July 12, 2016, 02:54:55 PM
Post by: catastrophe on July 12, 2016, 03:00:11 PM
there is a lot of data here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2016/
This does show more killings of whites than all other races combined, btw.
Post by: sys on July 12, 2016, 03:00:43 PM
The composition of the study is flawed.
not really, no. at least not that i could discern from reading the ny times article. the fact that the study conducted is not the study you wanted to be conducted does not make it flawed.
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 12, 2016, 03:01:25 PM
For example, let's just assume we have this problem in KCK or KCMO. I have heard that the demographics of the respective police forces are waaaaay too white compared to the demographic of the population. It's going to take many years, maybe 20 or 30 years, to get halfway close to an ideal state. Which I'm not saying means we shouldn't try, but it's good to set some realistic expectations. Kudos to the Dallas police chief urging his constituents to join his department. That's a great first step (although I don't think Dallas has much of a problem anyway, but whatevs).
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on July 12, 2016, 03:03:20 PM
there is a lot of data here:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/national/police-shootings-2016/
This does show more killings of whites than all other races combined, btw.
catastrophe is a wackycat mult.
Post by: catastrophe on July 12, 2016, 03:04:05 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 12, 2016, 03:04:50 PM
ThisThe composition of the study is flawed.
not really, no. at least not that i could discern from reading the ny times article. the fact that the study conducted is not the study you wanted to be conducted does not make it flawed.
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on July 12, 2016, 03:05:29 PM
The composition of the study is flawed.
not really, no. at least not that i could discern from reading the ny times article. the fact that the study conducted is not the study you wanted to be conducted does not make it flawed.
Small sample size, geographic limitations, and being based on police narratives=flawed study design for definitive conclusions. It provides an interesting look at the numbers but it doesn't tell us anything definitive at this point and time.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 12, 2016, 03:07:12 PM
Browning*- gE term. Not racist.
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on July 12, 2016, 03:07:51 PM
Anyway, some have made the point that the numbers are most relevant to specific precincts or municipalities or whatever you want to call it.
For example, let's just assume we have this problem in KCK or KCMO. I have heard that the demographics of the respective police forces are waaaaay too white compared to the demographic of the population. It's going to take many years, maybe 20 or 30 years, to get halfway close to an ideal state. Which I'm not saying means we shouldn't try, but it's good to set some realistic expectations. Kudos to the Dallas police chief urging his constituents to join his department. That's a great first step (although I don't think Dallas has much of a problem anyway, but whatevs).
Dallas had problems with cops shooting people with questionable justifications. They bought body cameras and that stuff has dropped off considerably.
Dallas has also led a lot of community outreach programs for the last few years and has had success with them.
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on July 12, 2016, 03:10:15 PM
Hey bro, not my link.
:facepalm:
Post by: sys on July 12, 2016, 03:12:02 PM
the sample size is fine. they are forthright in disclosing that the information is based on the police officers' narratives. it is a necessary (e.g. the only way to avoid it is to not conduct the study) limitation that informed consumers of the study can and should consider when viewing the study results.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 12, 2016, 03:13:17 PM
Anyway, some have made the point that the numbers are most relevant to specific precincts or municipalities or whatever you want to call it.
For example, let's just assume we have this problem in KCK or KCMO. I have heard that the demographics of the respective police forces are waaaaay too white compared to the demographic of the population. It's going to take many years, maybe 20 or 30 years, to get halfway close to an ideal state. Which I'm not saying means we shouldn't try, but it's good to set some realistic expectations. Kudos to the Dallas police chief urging his constituents to join his department. That's a great first step (although I don't think Dallas has much of a problem anyway, but whatevs).
I was reading something about Houston and they used to receive a ton of citizen complaints (or whatever). When the current police chief came into power he got rid of around 70 specific officers and immediately the citizen complaints dropped drastically. 70 out of 5500 were causing the bulk of the problem.
The larger problem is the police department for years protected those 70ish officers to the public's and the department's peril. And this is happening all over the country
Post by: sys on July 12, 2016, 03:15:05 PM
I was reading something about Houston and they used to receive a ton of citizen complaints (or whatever). When the current police chief came into power he got rid of around 70 specific officers and immediately the citizen complaints dropped drastically. 70 out of 5500 were causing the bulk of the problem.
The larger problem is the police department for years protected those 70ish officers to the public's and the department's peril. And this is happening all over the country
the amount of taxpayer money spent paying settlements in police misconduct cases is astonishing.
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on July 12, 2016, 03:17:38 PM
"geographic limitations" was what i was talking about when i said that it was not a flaw that the study conducted was not the one you wanted. if you want a broader study, go do it yourself.
the sample size is fine. they are forthright in disclosing that the information is based on the police officers' narratives. it is a necessary (e.g. the only way to avoid it is to not conduct the study) limitation that informed consumers of the study can and should consider when viewing the study results.
The author of the study was directly quoted as saying that his work is not definitive work on police shootings.
It wasn't a necessary limitation. It was a limitation imposed by himself due to the resources that he had to do the study.
If people weren't trying to hold it out as a rebuttal to the mountains of research that show minorities disproportionately are victims of police misconduct, then I wouldn't have even mentioned it.
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on July 12, 2016, 03:20:24 PM
I was reading something about Houston and they used to receive a ton of citizen complaints (or whatever). When the current police chief came into power he got rid of around 70 specific officers and immediately the citizen complaints dropped drastically. 70 out of 5500 were causing the bulk of the problem.
The larger problem is the police department for years protected those 70ish officers to the public's and the department's peril. And this is happening all over the country
I grew up with the KCPD (several family members were cops (retired now)). The blue wall of silence is very real and pervasive.
Police departments know who isn't fit to be a cop and officers need to do a better job of pointing those people out and removing them from being police officers.
Post by: Trim on July 12, 2016, 03:23:37 PM
Coincidentally, the last encounter I had w/a cop off the top of my head was as a passenger in MIR's car when he got pretextually pulled over for a brake light being out or something and held for DWB in Salina.
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on July 12, 2016, 03:26:35 PM
I don't think the article or study implied that when I read it :dunno:
That's correct. He didn't, nor did the article. But it was being quoted as if it were a rebuttal to everything we already know about policing.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 12, 2016, 03:28:47 PM
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on July 12, 2016, 03:32:20 PM
I've been pulled over more than a dozen times for stops like that over the course of my life. I have a Hispanic sur name, but a typical white Midwesterner's skin complexion (every single vehicle I've owned has had tinted windows). For about a 1/3 of those stops, the cops gets to the window and double checks all of my info, gives me a bs excuse for pulling me over and then has sent me on my way.
During about half of those, the officer has approached my car with gun unholstered or in his hand. Those were fun.
I've gotten 3 made up tickets as a result of these stops too (fines totaled up to some where around $1200).
Ftr, I'm always polite with police because my family were cops and because I've never wanted to get beat up by a cop on a power trip. I've seen friends get their heads smashed in by cops for simply giving a smart ass remark to a cop.
Post by: sys on July 12, 2016, 03:32:28 PM
The author of the study was directly quoted as saying that his work is not definitive work on police shootings.
there is no such thing as a definitive study.
It wasn't a necessary limitation. It was a limitation imposed by himself due to the resources that he had to do the study.
exactly, available resources imposed this limitation.
If people weren't trying to hold it out as a rebuttal to the mountains of research that show minorities disproportionately are victims of police misconduct, then I wouldn't have even mentioned it.
the study shows that minorities (blacks, compared to whites) are disproportionately victims of police misconduct, in the localities included in the study.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 12, 2016, 03:33:25 PM
Post by: sys on July 12, 2016, 03:35:12 PM
Exercise for white gE'rs: Think about some of your encounters you've had w/cops. Would you have been comfortable, knowing what you know in 2016, going into those same situations if you were black?
i haven't been comfortable as a white person, knowing what i knew when i knew it.
Post by: Trim on July 12, 2016, 03:35:37 PM
I got pulled over for having a brake light out last year. I wasn't held, though. Just a written warning and I was on my way.
Would you have been comfortable, knowing what you know in 2016, going into those same situations if you were black?
Post by: star seed 7 on July 12, 2016, 03:36:06 PM
I got pulled over for having a brake light out last year. I wasn't held, though. Just a written warning and I was on my way.
I was pulled over once for a taillight out and then found out my license was suspended (state eff up) and tags expired (my eff up) and I got a warning for the light and tags and a ticket for the license and the whole thing took like 10 minutes tops.
Being white rules
Post by: Trim on July 12, 2016, 03:36:46 PM
Exercise for white gE'rs: Think about some of your encounters you've had w/cops. Would you have been comfortable, knowing what you know in 2016, going into those same situations if you were black?
i haven't been comfortable as a white person, knowing what i knew when i knew it.
:lol:
Def should've made my testing sample "white gE'rs except sys."
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 12, 2016, 03:36:59 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 12, 2016, 03:37:14 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 12, 2016, 03:38:58 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 12, 2016, 03:40:04 PM
I'm a month late renewing my tags, because being slammed with wedding stuff, and I have a break light out in the back of my car. I'm aware of these things. I hope I can make it home tonight before it gets dark, because I know what I have coming for me if I don't. :frown: Breaking rules sucks.
Probably nothing. I drove with expired tags for two years and got a warning
Post by: Asteriskhead on July 12, 2016, 03:41:36 PM
Exercise for white gE'rs: Think about some of your encounters you've had w/cops. Would you have been comfortable, knowing what you know in 2016, going into those same situations if you were black?
Coincidentally, the last encounter I had w/a cop off the top of my head was as a passenger in MIR's car when he got pretextually pulled over for a brake light being out or something and held for DWB in Salina.
the last time I had an interaction with an on duty cop, I had to talk myself out of handcuffs after instigating a bar fight inside of Longhorns. I definitely would have gone to jail that night had I not been white/ interning for a local police department.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 12, 2016, 03:42:05 PM
Post by: catastrophe on July 12, 2016, 03:43:44 PM
Exercise for white gE'rs: Think about some of your encounters you've had w/cops. Would you have been comfortable, knowing what you know in 2016, going into those same situations if you were black?
Coincidentally, the last encounter I had w/a cop off the top of my head was as a passenger in MIR's car when he got pretextually pulled over for a brake light being out or something and held for DWB in Salina.
I would be much less comfortable if I were black. But I am also much less comfortable swimming in the ocean after watching Jaws. I really can't say for sure the extent to which these fears are justified or simply influenced by media.
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on July 12, 2016, 03:47:11 PM
I'm a month late renewing my tags, because being slammed with wedding stuff, and I have a break light out in the back of my car. I'm aware of these things. I hope I can make it home tonight before it gets dark, because I know what I have coming for me if I don't. :frown: Breaking rules sucks.
Yea, the most expensive individual fake ticket I got was for running a red light. Cop pulled up behind me while I was stopped at the red light. Light goes green. I go and then he pulls me over a 1/4 mile later.
When I asked him why he pulled me over after he asked for my license and insurance, he stammered for a good 90 seconds and then blurted out that I ran the red light. I told him that I most certainly did not run the light and asked him why I would run a red light that I had been stopped at and especially after I saw him pull up behind me.
The cop made me get out of the car to talk to him at that point. He asked me no less than 5 times if he could search my car. I politely told him no each time. Then he kept inventing reasons to keep talking to me. When he couldn't think of anything else (and after two cars of his buddies showed up), he finally wrote me the red light ticket (fine was somewhere around $150. Lawyer got it dismissed for $250).
So what rule did I break there Wacky?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 12, 2016, 03:48:31 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 12, 2016, 03:50:36 PM
IDK. I wasn't there. I'm only hearing one side of the story. Are you African American? Did this influence it?I'm a month late renewing my tags, because being slammed with wedding stuff, and I have a break light out in the back of my car. I'm aware of these things. I hope I can make it home tonight before it gets dark, because I know what I have coming for me if I don't. :frown: Breaking rules sucks.
Yea, the most expensive individual fake ticket I got was for running a red light. Cop pulled up behind me while I was stopped at the red light. Light goes green. I go and then he pulls me over a 1/4 mile later.
When I asked him why he pulled me over after he asked for my license and insurance, he stammered for a good 90 seconds and then blurted out that I ran the red light. I told him that I most certainly did not run the light and asked him why I would run a red light that I had been stopped at and especially after I saw him pull up behind me.
The cop made me get out of the car to talk to him at that point. He asked me no less than 5 times if he could search my car. I politely told him no each time. Then he kept inventing reasons to keep talking to me. When he couldn't think of anything else (and after two cars of his buddies showed up), he finally wrote me the red light ticket (fine was somewhere around $150. Lawyer got it dismissed for $250).
So what rule did I break there Wacky?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 12, 2016, 03:51:50 PM
3 years ago, I sped through a school zone, got pulled over for it and slammed with a big ticket by an african american cop. Went to QT to get some awesome taquitos and came back the same way. The officer had pulled over a african american girl for the same thing, pretty young girl, but he let her go with a warning. :frown: I know it, because I had my window down and she kept saying "thank you so much! I won't do it again!" What a racist pig!Point being, if you want to make irrational decisions based off a few mere examples, go for it I guess.
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on July 12, 2016, 03:52:18 PM
IDK. I wasn't there. I'm only hearing one side of the story. Are you African American? Did this influence it?
Hispanic, and, yes, that influenced it.
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on July 12, 2016, 03:53:28 PM
3 years ago, I sped through a school zone, got pulled over for it and slammed with a big ticket by an african american cop. Went to QT to get some awesome taquitos and came back the same way. The officer had pulled over a african american girl for the same thing, pretty young girl, but he let her go with a warning. :frown: I know it, because I had my window down and she kept saying "thank you so much! I won't do it again!" What a racist pig!Point being, if you want to make irrational decisions based off a few mere examples, go for it I guess.
Amazing how small sample sizes seem to matter when it comes to this but not when it comes to analyzing police shootings. #mathishard
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 12, 2016, 03:55:10 PM
I'm a month late renewing my tags, because being slammed with wedding stuff, and I have a break light out in the back of my car. I'm aware of these things. I hope I can make it home tonight before it gets dark, because I know what I have coming for me if I don't. :frown: Breaking rules sucks.
Yea, the most expensive individual fake ticket I got was for running a red light. Cop pulled up behind me while I was stopped at the red light. Light goes green. I go and then he pulls me over a 1/4 mile later.
When I asked him why he pulled me over after he asked for my license and insurance, he stammered for a good 90 seconds and then blurted out that I ran the red light. I told him that I most certainly did not run the light and asked him why I would run a red light that I had been stopped at and especially after I saw him pull up behind me.
The cop made me get out of the car to talk to him at that point. He asked me no less than 5 times if he could search my car. I politely told him no each time. Then he kept inventing reasons to keep talking to me. When he couldn't think of anything else (and after two cars of his buddies showed up), he finally wrote me the red light ticket (fine was somewhere around $150. Lawyer got it dismissed for $250).
So what rule did I break there Wacky?
Are you implying that the cop ran your plates, saw your last name is Jimenez or something, and then pulled you over?
And then he saw that you were white and wrote you ticket anyway?
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on July 12, 2016, 03:59:02 PM
Are you implying that the cop ran your plates, saw your last name is Jimenez or something, and then pulled you over?
And then he saw that you were white and wrote you ticket anyway?
There's a little bit more to the story that I left of for privacy reasons.
Cliff notes: Cop ran my tags. Assumed I was related to someone. Wrote the ticket after busting my balls.
Post by: Trim on July 12, 2016, 04:03:13 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 12, 2016, 04:03:56 PM
Are you implying that the cop ran your plates, saw your last name is Jimenez or something, and then pulled you over?
And then he saw that you were white and wrote you ticket anyway?
There's a little bit more to the story that I left of for privacy reasons.
Cliff notes: Cop ran my tags. Assumed I was related to someone. Wrote the ticket after busting my balls.
I guess, this story isn't exactly relevant at all to the point you are trying to make.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 12, 2016, 04:06:17 PM
There are no non-business encounters I've had w/cops in which I'd have been adequately comfortable if I'd been black. That includes walking home (in which I was given a free ride, before uber even existed!). Not sure about comfort levels when working with or above them.
One of my favorite stories is asking a cop for a ride home at 3am and level 7 and eating a microwave gas station burrito in the back while he chauffeured me home
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on July 12, 2016, 04:06:47 PM
Are you implying that the cop ran your plates, saw your last name is Jimenez or something, and then pulled you over?
And then he saw that you were white and wrote you ticket anyway?
There's a little bit more to the story that I left of for privacy reasons.
Cliff notes: Cop ran my tags. Assumed I was related to someone. Wrote the ticket after busting my balls.
I guess, this story isn't exactly relevant at all to the point you are trying to make.
You might have had a point if I wasn't related to who he assumed I was related to.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 12, 2016, 04:07:25 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 12, 2016, 04:08:17 PM
https://www.facebook.com/OfficerTommyNorman/videos/1173019389444753/?pnref=story.unseen-section
https://www.facebook.com/OfficerTommyNorman/videos/1172842822795743/?pnref=story
That's all this officer posts now. :frown:
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 12, 2016, 04:09:35 PM
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on July 12, 2016, 04:09:49 PM
Elchapofrog
:ROFL:
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 12, 2016, 04:13:08 PM
Are you implying that the cop ran your plates, saw your last name is Jimenez or something, and then pulled you over?
And then he saw that you were white and wrote you ticket anyway?
There's a little bit more to the story that I left of for privacy reasons.
Cliff notes: Cop ran my tags. Assumed I was related to someone. Wrote the ticket after busting my balls.
I guess, this story isn't exactly relevant at all to the point you are trying to make.
You might have had a point if I wasn't related to who he assumed I was related to.
In either case, you got a ticket because of a relation, not because of your race (white).
Post by: michigancat on July 12, 2016, 04:14:19 PM
Have you seen the videos on FB where white cops are video taping themselves or being video taped playing with minorities in the street? Having to scream in terms: "See, i'm not racist!" I feel so sad that's the direction that cops have to go, to not look like a vilian in the community. Feels forced.
https://www.facebook.com/OfficerTommyNorman/videos/1173019389444753/?pnref=story.unseen-section
https://www.facebook.com/OfficerTommyNorman/videos/1172842822795743/?pnref=story
That's all this officer posts now. :frown:
I'm starting to think you can't handle facebook any more
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on July 12, 2016, 04:15:33 PM
The vast majority of cops are people just doing a job (and by vast majority, >95%). The problem is, as the Houston example Emo posted earlier, very small numbers of cops can have very large impacts on communities. Throw in the us vs. them mentality that has been instilled in police departments since the beginning of the drug war, improved technology for people to monitor the police with, and you get to where we are now.
Post by: Trim on July 12, 2016, 04:15:56 PM
There are no non-business encounters I've had w/cops in which I'd have been adequately comfortable if I'd been black. That includes walking home (in which I was given a free ride, before uber even existed!). Not sure about comfort levels when working with or above them.
One of my favorite stories is asking a cop for a ride home at 3am and level 7 and eating a microwave gas station burrito in the back while he chauffeured me home
So convenient.
Edit: If you were Blib instead of lib, what would you have done differently or not at 3am?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 12, 2016, 04:19:19 PM
Yeah, probably some truth to that.Have you seen the videos on FB where white cops are video taping themselves or being video taped playing with minorities in the street? Having to scream in terms: "See, i'm not racist!" I feel so sad that's the direction that cops have to go, to not look like a vilian in the community. Feels forced.
https://www.facebook.com/OfficerTommyNorman/videos/1173019389444753/?pnref=story.unseen-section
https://www.facebook.com/OfficerTommyNorman/videos/1172842822795743/?pnref=story
That's all this officer posts now. :frown:
I'm starting to think you can't handle facebook any more
Post by: star seed 7 on July 12, 2016, 04:21:34 PM
There are no non-business encounters I've had w/cops in which I'd have been adequately comfortable if I'd been black. That includes walking home (in which I was given a free ride, before uber even existed!). Not sure about comfort levels when working with or above them.
One of my favorite stories is asking a cop for a ride home at 3am and level 7 and eating a microwave gas station burrito in the back while he chauffeured me home
So convenient.Now, how do you see that situation playing out for Blib?
Edit: If you were Blib instead of lib, what would you have done differently or not at 3am?
I have no clue. Probably wouldn't have been in Lawrence, considering their history
Post by: Trim on July 12, 2016, 04:24:25 PM
There are no non-business encounters I've had w/cops in which I'd have been adequately comfortable if I'd been black. That includes walking home (in which I was given a free ride, before uber even existed!). Not sure about comfort levels when working with or above them.
One of my favorite stories is asking a cop for a ride home at 3am and level 7 and eating a microwave gas station burrito in the back while he chauffeured me home
So convenient.Now, how do you see that situation playing out for Blib?
Edit: If you were Blib instead of lib, what would you have done differently or not at 3am?
I have no clue. Probably wouldn't have been in Lawrence, considering their history
Good call, but even if you'd inadvertently found yourself there and even at a 7, you'd have probably had enough left in the brain to avoid any interaction w/the cop, because self-preservation.
Post by: Ptolemy on July 12, 2016, 04:39:07 PM
I got pulled over for having a brake light out last year. I wasn't held, though. Just a written warning and I was on my way.
I was pulled over once for a taillight out and then found out my license was suspended (state eff up) and tags expired (my eff up) and I got a warning for the light and tags and a ticket for the license and the whole thing took like 10 minutes tops.
Being white rules
I was pulled over in 2001 (last time I was pulled over by a cop) for speeding - 71 in a 60 - and the cop discovered my license was suspended. So, he arrested me, cuffed me and took me to the county lockup. I was polite and cooperative all the way through. Turned out the state DOR screwed up and suspended my license unlawfully. I paid $300 bail and was released within an hour. Two weeks later, the prosecutor refunded me the money and apologized to me in person. The cop was black and I'm white.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 12, 2016, 04:47:47 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 12, 2016, 04:49:37 PM
I got pulled over for having a brake light out last year. I wasn't held, though. Just a written warning and I was on my way.
I was pulled over once for a taillight out and then found out my license was suspended (state eff up) and tags expired (my eff up) and I got a warning for the light and tags and a ticket for the license and the whole thing took like 10 minutes tops.
Being white rules
I was pulled over in 2001 (last time I was pulled over by a cop) for speeding - 71 in a 60 - and the cop discovered my license was suspended. So, he arrested me, cuffed me and took me to the county lockup. I was polite and cooperative all the way through. Turned out the state DOR screwed up and suspended my license unlawfully. I paid $300 bail and was released within an hour. Two weeks later, the prosecutor refunded me the money and apologized to me in person. The cop was black and I'm white.
It's not nice to lie 'lemy
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 12, 2016, 04:50:46 PM
There are no non-business encounters I've had w/cops in which I'd have been adequately comfortable if I'd been black. That includes walking home (in which I was given a free ride, before uber even existed!). Not sure about comfort levels when working with or above them.
One of my favorite stories is asking a cop for a ride home at 3am and level 7 and eating a microwave gas station burrito in the back while he chauffeured me home
So convenient.Now, how do you see that situation playing out for Blib?
Edit: If you were Blib instead of lib, what would you have done differently or not at 3am?
I have no clue. Probably wouldn't have been in Lawrence, considering their history
Good call, but even if you'd inadvertently found yourself there and even at a 7, you'd have probably had enough left in the brain to avoid any interaction w/the cop, because self-preservation.
I don't think interacting with the cops is a great idea if you are white, either. I know I try to avoid them if at all possible.
Post by: sys on July 12, 2016, 04:50:59 PM
Throw in the us vs. them mentality that has been instilled in police departments since the beginning of the drug war, improved technology for people to monitor the police with, and you get to where we are now.
if you account for the police/population ratio, i would be absolutely amazed if there isn't less police misconduct now than at any time in the past.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 12, 2016, 04:51:08 PM
Also, direct quote from aforementioned Harvard professor.QuoteMr. Fryer emphasizes that the work is not the definitive analysis of police shootings, and that more data would be needed to understand the country as a whole.
Are you a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)?
Post by: Trim on July 12, 2016, 04:53:53 PM
There are no non-business encounters I've had w/cops in which I'd have been adequately comfortable if I'd been black. That includes walking home (in which I was given a free ride, before uber even existed!). Not sure about comfort levels when working with or above them.
One of my favorite stories is asking a cop for a ride home at 3am and level 7 and eating a microwave gas station burrito in the back while he chauffeured me home
So convenient.Now, how do you see that situation playing out for Blib?
Edit: If you were Blib instead of lib, what would you have done differently or not at 3am?
I have no clue. Probably wouldn't have been in Lawrence, considering their history
Good call, but even if you'd inadvertently found yourself there and even at a 7, you'd have probably had enough left in the brain to avoid any interaction w/the cop, because self-preservation.
I don't think interacting with the cops is a great idea if you are white, either. I know I try to avoid them if at all possible.
True. As has been worked through in the other thread, it is probably best to avoid all cops even when not in missouri. That said, being white def gives you a little wiggle room when an interaction happens against your wishes or when your 7-drunk, burrito-eat'n ass engages them despite knowing better.
Post by: Ptolemy on July 12, 2016, 07:50:09 PM
I got pulled over for having a brake light out last year. I wasn't held, though. Just a written warning and I was on my way.
I was pulled over once for a taillight out and then found out my license was suspended (state eff up) and tags expired (my eff up) and I got a warning for the light and tags and a ticket for the license and the whole thing took like 10 minutes tops.
Being white rules
I was pulled over in 2001 (last time I was pulled over by a cop) for speeding - 71 in a 60 - and the cop discovered my license was suspended. So, he arrested me, cuffed me and took me to the county lockup. I was polite and cooperative all the way through. Turned out the state DOR screwed up and suspended my license unlawfully. I paid $300 bail and was released within an hour. Two weeks later, the prosecutor refunded me the money and apologized to me in person. The cop was black and I'm white.
It's not nice to lie 'lemy
Agree. I never lie.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on July 12, 2016, 08:17:14 PM
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Post by: chum1 on July 12, 2016, 08:30:51 PM
I've never had any issues when I've been outside of a car and the police can clearly see what a fine, upstanding citizen I am.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 12, 2016, 08:58:53 PM
It's really shocking to me that anyone refuses to acknowledge that black people are treated differently in this country.Minus the devastating story Trim shared with us about MIR getting a traffic ticket for a light being out (RIP MIR), have you had a black friend experience any of these extreme cases that have been going on in America? I have not. In fact, they've always been super respectful in certain situations and have been treated with respect. Trim's paranoia might reside from them (trim/Mir) being IRL trolls and treating ppl badly on the Internet and in real life. I'm sure he's a bit tense walking around the streets at a 7.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 12, 2016, 09:35:59 PM
The blm movement is a farce, and it's proponents are hate filled delusional sociopaths.
Post by: MakeItRain on July 12, 2016, 09:40:31 PM
The talking point that black lives matter is only about racist white cops is the biggest strawman and/or false flag that currently exists. People that say this including Rudy Giuliani fit into two categories; uneducated or are a liar. I have mentioned on here more than once the movement is about broader contextual issues like our country's history of institutional racism and how that has lead to a devaluation of black lives by all groups including other black people. This devaluation of black lives lead to things like police officers giving black people less latitude, surgeons giving black people less pain meds, and yes black-on-black crime. FSD has mocked me before for pointing this out.
You literally only have to read the first paragraph of the black lives matter wiki page philosophy section to find this:QuoteBlack Lives Matter incorporates those traditionally on the margins of black freedom movements.[7] The organization's website, for instance, states that Black Lives Matter is "a unique contribution that goes beyond extrajudicial killings of black people by police and vigilantes" and, embracing intersectionality, that "Black Lives Matter affirms the lives of black queer and trans folks, disabled folks, black undocumented folks, folks with records, women and all black lives along the gender spectrum."[34]
Despite all of this I'm sure it's a matter of time before one of you brings up the old tired trope of, they just care about racist white cops.
First, a great many BLM advocates would not agree with you. They freely admit their primary focus is on police brutality, and take offense to the suggestion that they should have to focus on black-on-black crime.
Regardless, there's a difference between (1) putting a statement on a website or having a symposium just to cover you bases and (2) what you're actual marching / protesting / rioting for. I haven't seen many BLM protests and riots organized against black-on-black violence or any of the other stuff you set forth above. The flashpoint for BLM is cop-on-black violence. That is what they take to the streets for, so that's what they are associated with. When BLM organizes a march through south side Chicago protesting black-on-black violence and calling for more police involvement to quell the violence, let me know.
So deny it until you're blue in the face, but you're either being naïve or disingenuous. BLM activists want to focus on the cops. They view black-on-black crime as either being a statistical falsehood, or irrelevant to the discussion. But if they really thought black lives mattered, they'd want to focus on saving as many black lives as possible, which means asking for more police intervention - not throwing rocks at them or worse.
I've told you more than once that you need to stop viewing black people as a monolith. So do it all of the time and not just when its politically convenient.
Post by: chum1 on July 12, 2016, 09:41:33 PM
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/final-tally-police-shot-and-killed-984-people-in-2015/2016/01/05/3ec7a404-b3c5-11e5-a76a-0b5145e8679a_story.html
Post by: MakeItRain on July 12, 2016, 09:43:02 PM
AbsolutelyI think wanting police to kill fewer people of a certain race is a worthy cause even if it isn't the leading cause of death for that race.
if a = xb + yb + etc and b = basal rate of homicide by cops, x = multiplier for blacks, y = multiplier for whites and etc = the same for any other group you want to input, i don't really care if you are fixated on x, y, etc or b as long as you want to do something to reduce a.
and even with all that said, the fact that the murdered minnesota guy was stopped 52 or 62 or however many times it was in the recent past is a much bigger problem than the fact that he was shot on one of those occasions, as undramatic as that sounds.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 12, 2016, 09:44:20 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on July 12, 2016, 09:47:39 PM
Is it really a thing that people believe BLM cannot protest police violence until they protest/solve black on black crime?
"protest/solve" was an interesting connection!
No, I don't think BLM should be required to "solve" BOB crime before protesting police violence, but it would a be good idea to make BOB crime a more prominent issue in their protests, and for their protests to not facilitate more BOB crime by vilifying police and encouraging them to withdraw from heavily minority areas. You know, if they actually want to save black lives. But maybe that's not the point of BLM.
Do you ever attempt to learn? When you read something you don't think is true do you cover your eyes and say "la la la la" really loud?
Post by: MakeItRain on July 12, 2016, 09:54:20 PM
Post by: KST8FAN on July 12, 2016, 09:56:40 PM
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 12, 2016, 09:57:55 PM
Post by: Trim on July 12, 2016, 10:01:48 PM
Tom, you willing to roll the dice on another 2am trip through Mission where you don't pull over for an extra block while black? Even polite while black?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 12, 2016, 10:03:14 PM
If BLM is a hate group we need to do a much better job of terrorizing white people. I bet far, ksuw, wacky, cat27, stunted, et. al. aren't even afraid to leave the house.Are you afraid to leave your house in Iowa, MIR? The most aggressive ppl I've seen on this board IRL is you and Trim. PI'ing in Wichita and chasing down kids in Ames. #Accountability
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 12, 2016, 10:06:12 PM
-trim and the delusional sociopathic hate mongers (ie, the faith militant)
Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 12, 2016, 10:10:05 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on July 12, 2016, 10:12:01 PM
Mrs. Wacky got pulled over in Salina last year, while we were at a wedding. She was 7 mph over. Got a ticket. I guess she got pulled over for driving a suv or whatever excuse you guys want to make of it.
Let me give this a crack. When you saw the cherries did you entertain the thought that the stop might result in one of you dying? I'm not one, but trust me when I tell you, I'm an expert on being black, there are lots of black people who are afraid of what will happen if/when they get stopped.
Has your wife ever been pulled over for "fitting the description?" I have.
Post by: Kat Kid on July 12, 2016, 10:13:09 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 12, 2016, 10:14:33 PM
Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 12, 2016, 10:16:52 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on July 12, 2016, 10:27:39 PM
If BLM is a hate group we need to do a much better job of terrorizing white people. I bet far, ksuw, wacky, cat27, stunted, et. al. aren't even afraid to leave the house.Are you afraid to leave your house in Iowa, MIR? The most aggressive ppl I've seen on this board IRL is you and Trim. PI'ing in Wichita and chasing down kids in Ames. #Accountability
Wait what, do tell about chasing down kids in Ames, not aware Trim does this. I have no rough ridin' clue what PI'ing in Wichita means. Also why is it relevant that I'm not afraid to leave my house, did I say I was? I think I've made it clear that my experiences being black are not typical. I sincerely think you have a lot of trouble with comprehension.
#NotAMonolith
Post by: MakeItRain on July 12, 2016, 10:32:22 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on July 12, 2016, 10:41:07 PM
http://ksn.com/2016/07/12/law-enforcement-lines-the-interstate-in-preparation-for-black-lives-matter-protest/
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 12, 2016, 10:44:49 PM
Post by: michigancat on July 12, 2016, 10:46:47 PM
All these outlets of normal justice, but here we are?
what on earth are you talking about
Post by: MakeItRain on July 12, 2016, 10:49:49 PM
All these outlets of normal justice, but here we are?
what on earth are you talking about
Is it sad that I know exactly what he's trying to say?
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 12, 2016, 10:54:34 PM
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on July 12, 2016, 11:10:08 PM
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The Tenors are deeply sorry for the disrespectful and misguided lack of judgment by one member of the group acting as a 'lone wolf' today...
The other members of the group are shocked and embarrassed by the actions of Remigio Pereira, who changed the lyrics of our treasured anthem and used this coveted platform to serve his own political views.
Our sincere apologies and regrets go out to everybody who witnessed this shameful act, to our fellow Canadians, to Major League Baseball, to our friends, families, fans and to all those affected.
The actions of one member of this group were extremely selfish, and he will not be performing with The Tenors until further notice.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 12, 2016, 11:16:13 PM
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KHP Troopers blocked the off ramp of I-135 to keep protesters from getting on to the interstate as protesters chanted in unison, “Black lives matter, all lives matter!”
Post by: michigancat on July 12, 2016, 11:40:01 PM
"All Lives Matter" is now some sort of hate crime or racial slur.QuoteThe Tenors are deeply sorry for the disrespectful and misguided lack of judgment by one member of the group acting as a 'lone wolf' today...
The other members of the group are shocked and embarrassed by the actions of Remigio Pereira, who changed the lyrics of our treasured anthem and used this coveted platform to serve his own political views.
Our sincere apologies and regrets go out to everybody who witnessed this shameful act, to our fellow Canadians, to Major League Baseball, to our friends, families, fans and to all those affected.
The actions of one member of this group were extremely selfish, and he will not be performing with The Tenors until further notice.
hate crime? I mean it's ignorant and definitely has racist undertones, but none of The Tenors are going to jail.
Post by: Trim on July 12, 2016, 11:51:58 PM
"All Lives Matter" is now some sort of hate crime or racial slur.QuoteThe Tenors are deeply sorry for the disrespectful and misguided lack of judgment by one member of the group acting as a 'lone wolf' today...
The other members of the group are shocked and embarrassed by the actions of Remigio Pereira, who changed the lyrics of our treasured anthem and used this coveted platform to serve his own political views.
Our sincere apologies and regrets go out to everybody who witnessed this shameful act, to our fellow Canadians, to Major League Baseball, to our friends, families, fans and to all those affected.
The actions of one member of this group were extremely selfish, and he will not be performing with The Tenors until further notice.
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/17030389/tenor-causes-stir-working-all-lives-matter-statement-o-canada-asg
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The change happened during the middle portion of the anthem, which is often sung in French at sporting events.
Pereira unexpectedly sang: "We're all brothers and sisters. All lives matter to the great.''
The normal lyric is "With glowing hearts we see thee rise. The True North strong and free.''
Although the audio wasn't crystal-clear at the park, many fans reacted with surprise when they saw the sign on the ballpark video scoreboard. The Canadian anthem wasn't shown live on U.S. television, but it aired in Canada, where the Tenors' decision lit up social media with overwhelming criticism of the change.
"All Lives Matter" has become a common online response in recent months to the "Black Lives Matter" movement, particularly after the police shootings of Alton Sterling and Philando Castile.
The motivations and ethnicities of the proponents of the "All Lives Matter" response vary, but it has received heavy criticism. The phrase is widely perceived to use reductive reasoning to trivialize the problems specifically facing blacks.
Seems appropriate for the singers to apologize primarily to Canadians irked by the guy's decision to alter their national anthem in whatever way he decided to, as well as to others affected by the message (one "widely perceived to trivialize problems specifically facing blacks").
Post by: sys on July 13, 2016, 12:00:15 AM
hate crime? I mean it's ignorant and definitely has racist undertones, but none of The Tenors are going to jail.
it's not ignorant, nor does it have racist undertones. some, possibly most, of the people that use it are and/or do, but that's not the same thing.
Post by: michigancat on July 13, 2016, 12:14:59 AM
hate crime? I mean it's ignorant and definitely has racist undertones, but none of The Tenors are going to jail.
it's not ignorant, nor does it have racist undertones. some, possibly most, of the people that use it are and/or do, but that's not the same thing.
I should have said "using it in modern context" is ignorant and/or has racist undertones. you are correct that the three words together do not.
Post by: sys on July 13, 2016, 12:33:49 AM
for example, the white kid who was murdered in fresno. some friends of his started using a hashtag (or maybe it was facebook, not sure) whitelivesmatter to promote memorials and protests and whatnot. they got some pushback that the phrase was racist or insensitive or whatever. which, i suppose it's possible that some of his friends are. however, is it not more likely that they were frustrated that the murder of their friend wasn't getting the attention that they felt it deserved, and chose a phrase they felt appropriate to that sentiment?
in context of this case, for example, i'd argue that those who were criticizing the friends of the murdered person were insensitive and had failed to understand context, rather than the reverse.
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on July 13, 2016, 12:42:02 AM
I suppose I can appreciate white people's apprehension of the police due to deep-rooted fear of cops giving whites tickets instead of warnings b/c they know the white people will pay double to keep their insurance premiums from going up.
Damn straight. It's something we white peoples live with every day. But you don't see us rioting over it.
Post by: Institutional Control on July 13, 2016, 07:46:25 AM
Let's all cow tow to the irrational thought processes of the ignorant. We're trying to advance society here
It's kowtow, dummy.
Post by: Institutional Control on July 13, 2016, 07:48:27 AM
GWB had a way better speech in Dallas than b.o.
Pretty unbiased opinion, I'm sure. I thought all the speeches were great.
Post by: steve dave on July 13, 2016, 08:53:37 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 13, 2016, 08:58:56 AM
I like how Clinton, Obama, and both Bush's are like best buds. Makes me irl happy.Me too! :cheers:
Post by: star seed 7 on July 13, 2016, 08:59:43 AM
I like how Clinton, Obama, and both Bush's are like best buds. Makes me irl happy.
What a club to be in
Post by: michigancat on July 13, 2016, 09:13:37 AM
i meant more than the literal words.
for example, the white kid who was murdered in fresno. some friends of his started using a hashtag (or maybe it was facebook, not sure) whitelivesmatter to promote memorials and protests and whatnot. they got some pushback that the phrase was racist or insensitive or whatever. which, i suppose it's possible that some of his friends are. however, is it not more likely that they were frustrated that the murder of their friend wasn't getting the attention that they felt it deserved, and chose a phrase they felt appropriate to that sentiment?
in context of this case, for example, i'd argue that those who were criticizing the friends of the murdered person were insensitive and had failed to understand context, rather than the reverse.
both sides can be insensitive/tone deaf.
I wonder if friends of the Fresno kid reached out to BLM folks? Could have been beneficial to both groups. <-this is something critics could have suggested that could have been less insensitive.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 13, 2016, 12:18:51 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on July 13, 2016, 08:31:39 PM
What if all lives matter isn't a monolith and includes people who use the phrase to say there is racism and inequality and the collective we need to strive to towards removing them and being more inclusive as a society.
This is exactly why black lives matter is important. I don't understand how in this country it's so hard to acknowledge that black people have had it ultra shitty throughout the history of this country? How in the eff can you guys fix anything if you refuse to acknowledge what has happened to black people in this country?
Post by: Bloodfart on July 13, 2016, 08:45:58 PM
I'd have been comfortable up until the point the officer asked me to step outside the vehicle.
This is what I don't understand. I have never been asked to step out of my vehicle for a moving violation but black people are asked to get out and be handcuffed for the entire interaction with the officer because "It's for everyone's safety." I'd be a mad [redacted] too.
Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 13, 2016, 08:50:14 PM
What if all lives matter isn't a monolith and includes people who use the phrase to say there is racism and inequality and the collective we need to strive to towards removing them and being more inclusive as a society.
This is exactly why black lives matter is important. I don't understand how in this country it's so hard to acknowledge that black people have had it ultra shitty throughout the history of this country? How in the eff can you guys fix anything if you refuse to acknowledge what has happened to black people in this country?
What do you suggest be done about it now, and what will be the lasting benefit of doing it?
Post by: michigancat on July 13, 2016, 09:34:23 PM
What if all lives matter isn't a monolith and includes people who use the phrase to say there is racism and inequality and the collective we need to strive to towards removing them and being more inclusive as a society.
This is exactly why black lives matter is important. I don't understand how in this country it's so hard to acknowledge that black people have had it ultra shitty throughout the history of this country? How in the eff can you guys fix anything if you refuse to acknowledge what has happened to black people in this country?
generally the argument is "everyone is treated equally, black people are just too stupid to realize it"
Post by: Trim on July 13, 2016, 09:40:55 PM
What if all lives matter isn't a monolith and includes people who use the phrase to say there is racism and inequality and the collective we need to strive to towards removing them and being more inclusive as a society.
This is exactly why black lives matter is important. I don't understand how in this country it's so hard to acknowledge that black people have had it ultra shitty throughout the history of this country? How in the eff can you guys fix anything if you refuse to acknowledge what has happened to black people in this country?
Many people don't want their own "accomplishments" to be discounted.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 13, 2016, 09:53:14 PM
Non-delusional non-sociopaths realize all individuals start in different places and life isn't fair.
Post by: treysolid on July 13, 2016, 10:07:12 PM
Nobody likes whiners. Particularly when the whiners are given all sorts of head starts and special treatments, and continue to bitch about stuff that already happened and can't be changed and that nobody alive was responsible for anyways.
Non-delusional non-sociopaths realize all individuals start in different places and life isn't fair.
Probably what King George was thinking when all those goddamn colonists started bitching about those "unfair" taxes they were paying.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 13, 2016, 10:13:11 PM
Thank God those puritans decided to Brexit king George's feudal system 240 years ago, or we'd all be mired as serfs like the losers in Europe are today.
Post by: michigancat on July 13, 2016, 10:26:03 PM
The chinese, Irish, Italians and poles were all crap on. No race has ever received a welcoming committee, and all were generally despised. It is what it is.
I think fsd just acknowledged racism against blacks! :surprised:
Post by: treysolid on July 13, 2016, 10:32:19 PM
The chinese, Irish, Italians and poles were all crap on. No race has ever received a welcoming committee, and all were generally despised. It is what it is.
Thank God those puritans decided to Brexit king George's feudal system 240 years ago, or we'd all be mired as serfs like the losers in Europe are today.
You really don't get it, do you? The police were generally the front line of terror and intimidation during Jim Crow. Is it any wonder that black Americans distrust the police? Is it too far-fetched to think that when blacks see other blacks profiled, mistreated, abused and killed by police, it brings up the spectre of a time when they were barely viewed as people, let alone citizens?
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 13, 2016, 10:43:05 PM
Post by: treysolid on July 13, 2016, 10:49:39 PM
Spectre is right
no, you're right - the past has no bearing on the present whatsoever.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 13, 2016, 10:53:39 PM
Post by: treysolid on July 13, 2016, 11:09:06 PM
It's all relative, isn't it?
ask a black person if it's all relative to them. you're not black. MIR has been trying to tell you about his experiences as a black man, but just because his truth doesn't mesh with your truth doesn't mean you should dismiss his experiences. there's more than one America.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 13, 2016, 11:12:57 PM
http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2016/07/13/sen-tim-scott-describes-experiences-as-black-american/?mod=e2tw
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 13, 2016, 11:20:11 PM
It's all relative, isn't it?
ask a black person if it's all relative to them. you're not black. MIR has been trying to tell you about his experiences as a black man, but just because his truth doesn't mesh with your truth doesn't mean you should dismiss his experiences. there's more than one America.
There is only one America, and it's full of stupid shitty people that do stupid shitty stuff to each other. It's still the best place to be. Feigning sympathy and outrage over all this trivial crap just makes you another shitty self interested person.
Post by: MakeItRain on July 14, 2016, 01:17:57 AM
It's all relative, isn't it?
ask a black person if it's all relative to them. you're not black. MIR has been trying to tell you about his experiences as a black man, but just because his truth doesn't mesh with your truth doesn't mean you should dismiss his experiences. there's more than one America.
There is only one America, and it's full of stupid shitty people that do stupid shitty stuff to each other. It's still the best place to be. Feigning sympathy and outrage over all this trivial crap just makes you another shitty self interested person.
No one wants your sympathy, no one has asked for your sympathy, sympathy is for the weak. This sympathy angle is just another in a long line of strawmen. There may literally be three people on this blog who aren't 100% sure you don't like the coloreds, stop acting like you care, no one is convinced.
Post by: puniraptor on July 14, 2016, 05:56:07 AM
Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 14, 2016, 07:32:11 AM
What if all lives matter isn't a monolith and includes people who use the phrase to say there is racism and inequality and the collective we need to strive to towards removing them and being more inclusive as a society.
This is exactly why black lives matter is important. I don't understand how in this country it's so hard to acknowledge that black people have had it ultra shitty throughout the history of this country? How in the eff can you guys fix anything if you refuse to acknowledge what has happened to black people in this country?
You say this is important, you say you don't want sympathy, what do you want white people to fix?
I am being sincere, I love black people and want them to thrive like I do all Americans.
Post by: MakeItRain on July 14, 2016, 09:23:19 AM
What if all lives matter isn't a monolith and includes people who use the phrase to say there is racism and inequality and the collective we need to strive to towards removing them and being more inclusive as a society.
This is exactly why black lives matter is important. I don't understand how in this country it's so hard to acknowledge that black people have had it ultra shitty throughout the history of this country? How in the eff can you guys fix anything if you refuse to acknowledge what has happened to black people in this country?
You say this is important, you say you don't want sympathy, what do you want white people to fix?
I am being sincere, I love black people and want them to thrive like I do all Americans.
Fix 400 years of institutional racism.
Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 14, 2016, 09:24:08 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 14, 2016, 09:26:52 AM
What if all lives matter isn't a monolith and includes people who use the phrase to say there is racism and inequality and the collective we need to strive to towards removing them and being more inclusive as a society.
This is exactly why black lives matter is important. I don't understand how in this country it's so hard to acknowledge that black people have had it ultra shitty throughout the history of this country? How in the eff can you guys fix anything if you refuse to acknowledge what has happened to black people in this country?
You say this is important, you say you don't want sympathy, what do you want white people to fix?
I am being sincere, I love black people and want them to thrive like I do all Americans.
Fix 400 years of institutional racism.
mocat math :sdeek:
Post by: MakeItRain on July 14, 2016, 09:34:39 AM
How?
Do you normally rely on victims or the afflicted to correct errors of those committing transgressions?
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 14, 2016, 09:35:24 AM
If you disagree you are a racist - strawman and sociopathic.
People like MIR have been brainwashed and coddled to the point of delusion. It's a sad, pathetic and vindictive group of people (black, white, whatever) educated in trivia and profiting upon and manipulating the ignorant for their own personal gain.
Post by: MakeItRain on July 14, 2016, 09:38:01 AM
What if all lives matter isn't a monolith and includes people who use the phrase to say there is racism and inequality and the collective we need to strive to towards removing them and being more inclusive as a society.
This is exactly why black lives matter is important. I don't understand how in this country it's so hard to acknowledge that black people have had it ultra shitty throughout the history of this country? How in the eff can you guys fix anything if you refuse to acknowledge what has happened to black people in this country?
You say this is important, you say you don't want sympathy, what do you want white people to fix?
I am being sincere, I love black people and want them to thrive like I do all Americans.
Fix 400 years of institutional racism.
mocat math :sdeek:
Nah apparently you don't read. The first slaves were brought and sold in 1619. I know that wasn't taught in American history in middle and high school but I'm sure you're an adult now.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 14, 2016, 09:38:58 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on July 14, 2016, 09:45:31 AM
It's the ultimate strawman, the failings/shortcomings of an entire segment of society is the fault of the nebulous "institution". A list of unrelated events over the course of centuries with no direct application to those in the present, has some intangible yet substantive effect upon said persons.Slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, lynchings, voter suppression, inequitable educational funding, housing discrimination, etc. are unrelated events that weren't institutional and had no lasting effect on the one group of people who were effected by all of that. :ROFL: The Irish overcame, no clue why the coons can't do the same, they virtually had the same plight.
Post by: MakeItRain on July 14, 2016, 09:47:10 AM
And white ppl are still paying for it. :frown: We're all racists and sociopaths.
Still paying? Paying what exactly?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 14, 2016, 09:50:08 AM
Sounds like you have a lot of hate in your heart towards white ppl. I think this is pretty much the same across the board. You think all white ppl are racist and most black ppl hate white ppl (not racist tho), etc. It's #science.And white ppl are still paying for it. :frown: We're all racists and sociopaths.
Still paying? Paying what exactly?
Post by: star seed 7 on July 14, 2016, 09:50:44 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 14, 2016, 09:51:12 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 14, 2016, 09:51:40 AM
WackyCat08 wants a picture of the ghetto family his tax dollars are supportingGod! You're so rough ridin' annoying at times.
Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 14, 2016, 09:52:06 AM
How?
Do you normally rely on victims or the afflicted to correct errors of those committing transgressions?
Stop playing games, I'm asking you what you think the solution is.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on July 14, 2016, 09:56:23 AM
It's the ultimate strawman, the failings/shortcomings of an entire segment of society is the fault of the nebulous "institution". A list of unrelated events over the course of centuries with no direct application to those in the present, has some intangible yet substantive effect upon said persons. The only way to fix it is either time machine or equality through inequality.
If you disagree you are a racist - strawman and sociopathic.
People like MIR have been brainwashed and coddled to the point of delusion. It's a sad, pathetic and vindictive group of people (black, white, whatever) educated in trivia and profiting upon and manipulating the ignorant for their own personal gain.
free mkt
Post by: star seed 7 on July 14, 2016, 10:00:13 AM
Sounds like you have a lot of hate in your heart towards white ppl. I think this is pretty much the same across the board. You think all white ppl are racist and most black ppl hate white ppl (not racist tho), etc. It's #science.And white ppl are still paying for it. :frown: We're all racists and sociopaths.
Still paying? Paying what exactly?
What is the same across the board?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 14, 2016, 10:01:44 AM
Post by: michigancat on July 14, 2016, 10:03:42 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 14, 2016, 10:05:08 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 14, 2016, 10:05:57 AM
I explained it in the next line, dumbass. Don't be so obtuse. Good grief.
No you didn't
Post by: Tobias on July 14, 2016, 10:07:11 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 14, 2016, 10:08:49 AM
Probably. I hate how lib^7 plays dumb all the time, just so he can get neocon posters that he dislikes, to keep talking. It's exhausting.
Why does explaining your opinions clearly upset you so much?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 14, 2016, 10:09:33 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 14, 2016, 10:10:54 AM
Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 14, 2016, 10:14:42 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 14, 2016, 10:14:57 AM
What has brought you to that assumption?I've came across a lot of MIR's in my life. Like, i'm friends with them IRL, but when they tell me how they really feel, I can hear the hate in their heart. Sounds like a lot of them assume, white ppl have that same hate in their heart as well. I'm saying in general. Obviously, not everyone feels this way.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 14, 2016, 10:16:24 AM
Can you two 'tards go start another thread to slap fight in.........We're having a conversation on what's going on in todays world. If you're not appreciative of other peoples opinions on topics, stop reading said posters reply.
Post by: renocat on July 14, 2016, 10:17:25 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 14, 2016, 10:19:06 AM
Can you two 'tards go start another thread to slap fight in.........
No one is fighting, just getting down to the nitty gritty brass tax with my IRL friend
Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 14, 2016, 10:19:22 AM
Can you two 'tards go start another thread to slap fight in.........We're having a conversation on what's going on in todays world. If you're not appreciative of other peoples opinions on topics, stop reading said posters reply.
I like you Wack, but you are just being trolled, and it's rough ridin' up a good discussion.
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 14, 2016, 12:20:42 PM
What if all lives matter isn't a monolith and includes people who use the phrase to say there is racism and inequality and the collective we need to strive to towards removing them and being more inclusive as a society.
This is exactly why black lives matter is important. I don't understand how in this country it's so hard to acknowledge that black people have had it ultra shitty throughout the history of this country? How in the eff can you guys fix anything if you refuse to acknowledge what has happened to black people in this country?
You say this is important, you say you don't want sympathy, what do you want white people to fix?
I am being sincere, I love black people and want them to thrive like I do all Americans.
Fix 400 years of institutional racism.
mocat math :sdeek:
Nah apparently you don't read. The first slaves were brought and sold in 1619. I know that wasn't taught in American history in middle and high school but I'm sure you're an adult now.
And you're saying some monolithic group of white people alive today are responsible for that? C'mon. My ancestors had nothing to do with that.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on July 14, 2016, 12:22:11 PM
I assume most black ppl hate white ppl (somewhere deep in their heart) and most black ppl probably think white ppl are racist, across the board.
I don't assume this, and you shouldn't either WC.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 14, 2016, 12:38:51 PM
What has brought you to that assumption?I've came across a lot of MIR's in my life. Like, i'm friends with them IRL, but when they tell me how they really feel, I can hear the hate in their heart. Sounds like a lot of them assume, white ppl have that same hate in their heart as well. I'm saying in general. Obviously, not everyone feels this way.
Every dipshit who has ever been pulled over for a traffic violation thinks they didn't do anything wrong. It's not exclusive to race and it's anecdotal crap.
The stuff he's bitching about is decades if not centuries old, and the socioeconomic items effect more whites than blacks. You have to take the false step of "statistically disproportionate" to achieve the "institutional" bias we repeatedly here about.
Nobody is disputing the existence of slavery 150 years ago, or the bullshit the southern Democrats continued to pull into the 1960's. It happened, and trillions of dollars have been spent andmillions of pages of legislation passed to correct the matter, in addition to privately funded support. Nothing seems to substantively help, yet someone else remains the problem. That, in and of itself, is damning.
My problem is the lack of accountability and unwillingness to take any responsibilty. The never ending cycle of what more and more appear to be contrived and manufactured excuses is exhausting and pathetic. People that are our peers are not victims by inheritance, that's stupid. They have a completely new and largely fair dance card, and too many of them aren't checking off the squares.
Post by: MakeItRain on July 14, 2016, 01:35:35 PM
How?
Do you normally rely on victims or the afflicted to correct errors of those committing transgressions?
Stop playing games, I'm asking you what you think the solution is.
No idea, what's yours?
Post by: MakeItRain on July 14, 2016, 01:42:22 PM
1. You don't know a thing about me.What has brought you to that assumption?I've came across a lot of MIR's in my life. Like, i'm friends with them IRL, but when they tell me how they really feel, I can hear the hate in their heart. Sounds like a lot of them assume, white ppl have that same hate in their heart as well. I'm saying in general. Obviously, not everyone feels this way.
2. You're too rough ridin' stupid to know and articulate what's in your own mind, don't do it for others, it's a losing proposition.
Post by: MakeItRain on July 14, 2016, 01:45:10 PM
What if all lives matter isn't a monolith and includes people who use the phrase to say there is racism and inequality and the collective we need to strive to towards removing them and being more inclusive as a society.
This is exactly why black lives matter is important. I don't understand how in this country it's so hard to acknowledge that black people have had it ultra shitty throughout the history of this country? How in the eff can you guys fix anything if you refuse to acknowledge what has happened to black people in this country?
You say this is important, you say you don't want sympathy, what do you want white people to fix?
I am being sincere, I love black people and want them to thrive like I do all Americans.
Fix 400 years of institutional racism.
mocat math :sdeek:
Nah apparently you don't read. The first slaves were brought and sold in 1619. I know that wasn't taught in American history in middle and high school but I'm sure you're an adult now.
And you're saying some monolithic group of white people alive today are responsible for that? C'mon. My ancestors had nothing to do with that.
Feel free to link me saying white people today being responsible for slavery? Thanks and I'll listen off the air.
Post by: Ptolemy on July 14, 2016, 01:54:13 PM
Sincerely,
Justice Clarence Thomas
Prof. Walter Williams
Dr. Thomas Sowell
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 14, 2016, 01:56:44 PM
Internet tough guy!1. You don't know a thing about me.What has brought you to that assumption?I've came across a lot of MIR's in my life. Like, i'm friends with them IRL, but when they tell me how they really feel, I can hear the hate in their heart. Sounds like a lot of them assume, white ppl have that same hate in their heart as well. I'm saying in general. Obviously, not everyone feels this way.
2. You're too rough ridin' stupid to know and articulate what's in your own mind, don't do it for others, it's a losing proposition.
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 14, 2016, 01:59:21 PM
What if all lives matter isn't a monolith and includes people who use the phrase to say there is racism and inequality and the collective we need to strive to towards removing them and being more inclusive as a society.
This is exactly why black lives matter is important. I don't understand how in this country it's so hard to acknowledge that black people have had it ultra shitty throughout the history of this country? How in the eff can you guys fix anything if you refuse to acknowledge what has happened to black people in this country?
You say this is important, you say you don't want sympathy, what do you want white people to fix?
I am being sincere, I love black people and want them to thrive like I do all Americans.
Fix 400 years of institutional racism.
mocat math :sdeek:
Nah apparently you don't read. The first slaves were brought and sold in 1619. I know that wasn't taught in American history in middle and high school but I'm sure you're an adult now.
And you're saying some monolithic group of white people alive today are responsible for that? C'mon. My ancestors had nothing to do with that.
Feel free to link me saying white people today being responsible for slavery? Thanks and I'll listen off the air.
If they are not responsible, then why is it their problem to fix?
I don't know why you are so routinely dismissive of clear, direct questions. It makes dialogue (which I think is the point) very difficult.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 14, 2016, 02:00:22 PM
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Post by: Emo EMAW on July 14, 2016, 02:01:22 PM
Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 14, 2016, 02:06:25 PM
What if all lives matter isn't a monolith and includes people who use the phrase to say there is racism and inequality and the collective we need to strive to towards removing them and being more inclusive as a society.
This is exactly why black lives matter is important. I don't understand how in this country it's so hard to acknowledge that black people have had it ultra shitty throughout the history of this country? How in the eff can you guys fix anything if you refuse to acknowledge what has happened to black people in this country?
I acknowledge the history, what do you want me to fix and how, you wrote this crap not me.......
Post by: MakeItRain on July 14, 2016, 02:31:20 PM
We are victims of institutional racism and have not been able to rise out of it!
Sincerely,
Justice Clarence Thomas
Prof. Walter Williams
Dr. Thomas Sowell
I don't think you understand the conversation
Post by: MakeItRain on July 14, 2016, 02:32:48 PM
Internet tough guy!1. You don't know a thing about me.What has brought you to that assumption?I've came across a lot of MIR's in my life. Like, i'm friends with them IRL, but when they tell me how they really feel, I can hear the hate in their heart. Sounds like a lot of them assume, white ppl have that same hate in their heart as well. I'm saying in general. Obviously, not everyone feels this way.
2. You're too rough ridin' stupid to know and articulate what's in your own mind, don't do it for others, it's a losing proposition.
What's so tough about observing that you're legitimately stupid?
Post by: MakeItRain on July 14, 2016, 02:36:42 PM
Two thingsWhat if all lives matter isn't a monolith and includes people who use the phrase to say there is racism and inequality and the collective we need to strive to towards removing them and being more inclusive as a society.
This is exactly why black lives matter is important. I don't understand how in this country it's so hard to acknowledge that black people have had it ultra shitty throughout the history of this country? How in the eff can you guys fix anything if you refuse to acknowledge what has happened to black people in this country?
You say this is important, you say you don't want sympathy, what do you want white people to fix?
I am being sincere, I love black people and want them to thrive like I do all Americans.
Fix 400 years of institutional racism.
mocat math :sdeek:
Nah apparently you don't read. The first slaves were brought and sold in 1619. I know that wasn't taught in American history in middle and high school but I'm sure you're an adult now.
And you're saying some monolithic group of white people alive today are responsible for that? C'mon. My ancestors had nothing to do with that.
Feel free to link me saying white people today being responsible for slavery? Thanks and I'll listen off the air.
If they are not responsible, then why is it their problem to fix?
I don't know why you are so routinely dismissive of clear, direct questions. It makes dialogue (which I think is the point) very difficult.
1. Because a make good never happened does that mean we should just forget about it? Treat it like someone stole a soda out of the fridge?
2. Should I post the list of historical wrongs again? I mean I won't but I'm confused by you acting as if this all stopped with the emancipation proclamation.
Post by: MakeItRain on July 14, 2016, 02:40:07 PM
What if all lives matter isn't a monolith and includes people who use the phrase to say there is racism and inequality and the collective we need to strive to towards removing them and being more inclusive as a society.
This is exactly why black lives matter is important. I don't understand how in this country it's so hard to acknowledge that black people have had it ultra shitty throughout the history of this country? How in the eff can you guys fix anything if you refuse to acknowledge what has happened to black people in this country?
I acknowledge the history, what do you want me to fix and how, you wrote this crap not me.......
I don't want, you, cat27, to do anything, you're incapable of doing much of anything for anyone.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 14, 2016, 02:40:21 PM
rough ridin' stupid = Having opposing view points from MIR #MIRlogic Do you call your camp kids rough ridin' idiots too? Is that your whole vocabulary? Just belittling ppl 24/7?Internet tough guy!1. You don't know a thing about me.What has brought you to that assumption?I've came across a lot of MIR's in my life. Like, i'm friends with them IRL, but when they tell me how they really feel, I can hear the hate in their heart. Sounds like a lot of them assume, white ppl have that same hate in their heart as well. I'm saying in general. Obviously, not everyone feels this way.
2. You're too rough ridin' stupid to know and articulate what's in your own mind, don't do it for others, it's a losing proposition.
What's so tough about observing that you're legitimately stupid?
Post by: Kat Kid on July 14, 2016, 02:42:11 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 14, 2016, 02:44:05 PM
Two thingsWhat if all lives matter isn't a monolith and includes people who use the phrase to say there is racism and inequality and the collective we need to strive to towards removing them and being more inclusive as a society.
This is exactly why black lives matter is important. I don't understand how in this country it's so hard to acknowledge that black people have had it ultra shitty throughout the history of this country? How in the eff can you guys fix anything if you refuse to acknowledge what has happened to black people in this country?
You say this is important, you say you don't want sympathy, what do you want white people to fix?
I am being sincere, I love black people and want them to thrive like I do all Americans.
Fix 400 years of institutional racism.
mocat math :sdeek:
Nah apparently you don't read. The first slaves were brought and sold in 1619. I know that wasn't taught in American history in middle and high school but I'm sure you're an adult now.
And you're saying some monolithic group of white people alive today are responsible for that? C'mon. My ancestors had nothing to do with that.
Feel free to link me saying white people today being responsible for slavery? Thanks and I'll listen off the air.
If they are not responsible, then why is it their problem to fix?
I don't know why you are so routinely dismissive of clear, direct questions. It makes dialogue (which I think is the point) very difficult.
1. Because a make good never happened does that mean we should just forget about it? Treat it like someone stole a soda out of the fridge?
2. Should I post the list of historical wrongs again? I mean I won't but I'm confused by you acting as if this all stopped with the emancipation proclamation.
1. Yes. Or, if you prefer, shall we have Micah Xavier Johnson's great great great grandkids some day punished for their relative's crimes?
2. Please do. But please put them in a list from most egregious to least egregious with all the other wrongs done to every other group in the American population.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 14, 2016, 02:47:19 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on July 14, 2016, 02:48:31 PM
rough ridin' stupid = Having opposing view points from MIR #MIRlogic Do you call your camp kids rough ridin' idiots too? Is that your whole vocabulary? Just belittling ppl 24/7?Internet tough guy!1. You don't know a thing about me.What has brought you to that assumption?I've came across a lot of MIR's in my life. Like, i'm friends with them IRL, but when they tell me how they really feel, I can hear the hate in their heart. Sounds like a lot of them assume, white ppl have that same hate in their heart as well. I'm saying in general. Obviously, not everyone feels this way.
2. You're too rough ridin' stupid to know and articulate what's in your own mind, don't do it for others, it's a losing proposition.
What's so tough about observing that you're legitimately stupid?
The list of people on this blog I've called stupid is a very short list. I legitimately think, almost know, that you have a sub 80 iq.
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 14, 2016, 02:49:45 PM
Post by: Trim on July 14, 2016, 02:51:34 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 14, 2016, 02:55:30 PM
Well, you're no brain surgeon yourself. You run a camp for Christ sakes.rough ridin' stupid = Having opposing view points from MIR #MIRlogic Do you call your camp kids rough ridin' idiots too? Is that your whole vocabulary? Just belittling ppl 24/7?Internet tough guy!1. You don't know a thing about me.What has brought you to that assumption?I've came across a lot of MIR's in my life. Like, i'm friends with them IRL, but when they tell me how they really feel, I can hear the hate in their heart. Sounds like a lot of them assume, white ppl have that same hate in their heart as well. I'm saying in general. Obviously, not everyone feels this way.
2. You're too rough ridin' stupid to know and articulate what's in your own mind, don't do it for others, it's a losing proposition.
What's so tough about observing that you're legitimately stupid?
The list of people on this blog I've called stupid is a very short list. I legitimately think, almost know, that you have a sub 80 iq.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 14, 2016, 03:00:09 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 14, 2016, 03:02:20 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 14, 2016, 03:05:21 PM
You might have to take that up with Iceland
Just as MIR is taking it up with 1616 USA.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 14, 2016, 03:06:53 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on July 14, 2016, 03:13:27 PM
Well, you're no brain surgeon yourself. You run a camp for Christ sakes.rough ridin' stupid = Having opposing view points from MIR #MIRlogic Do you call your camp kids rough ridin' idiots too? Is that your whole vocabulary? Just belittling ppl 24/7?Internet tough guy!1. You don't know a thing about me.What has brought you to that assumption?I've came across a lot of MIR's in my life. Like, i'm friends with them IRL, but when they tell me how they really feel, I can hear the hate in their heart. Sounds like a lot of them assume, white ppl have that same hate in their heart as well. I'm saying in general. Obviously, not everyone feels this way.
2. You're too rough ridin' stupid to know and articulate what's in your own mind, don't do it for others, it's a losing proposition.
What's so tough about observing that you're legitimately stupid?
The list of people on this blog I've called stupid is a very short list. I legitimately think, almost know, that you have a sub 80 iq.
You're correct, I'm definitely not a brain surgeon. You got that one right, have a lollipop.
Post by: DQ12 on July 14, 2016, 03:17:53 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 14, 2016, 03:19:22 PM
Been too busy drooling at my desk from my current state of retardation. Are you sure i'm allowed to?Well, you're no brain surgeon yourself. You run a camp for Christ sakes.rough ridin' stupid = Having opposing view points from MIR #MIRlogic Do you call your camp kids rough ridin' idiots too? Is that your whole vocabulary? Just belittling ppl 24/7?Internet tough guy!1. You don't know a thing about me.What has brought you to that assumption?I've came across a lot of MIR's in my life. Like, i'm friends with them IRL, but when they tell me how they really feel, I can hear the hate in their heart. Sounds like a lot of them assume, white ppl have that same hate in their heart as well. I'm saying in general. Obviously, not everyone feels this way.
2. You're too rough ridin' stupid to know and articulate what's in your own mind, don't do it for others, it's a losing proposition.
What's so tough about observing that you're legitimately stupid?
The list of people on this blog I've called stupid is a very short list. I legitimately think, almost know, that you have a sub 80 iq.
You're correct, I'm definitely not a brain surgeon. You got that one right, have a lollipop.
Post by: MakeItRain on July 14, 2016, 03:23:03 PM
Post by: sys on July 14, 2016, 03:28:29 PM
You might be missing mir's point
You might be missing mir's point
i'm not sure if emo missed mir's point or not, but i'm pretty confident that you either missed or ignored emo's point.
Post by: sys on July 14, 2016, 03:31:17 PM
Been too busy drooling at my desk from my current state of retardation. Are you sure i'm allowed to?
you post that you're stupid whenever convenient, yet you insist on expounding on issues as if anyone should give a eff what you think. if you don't truly believe that you're stupid, stop using being stupid as an excuse.
Post by: MakeItRain on July 14, 2016, 03:33:40 PM
You might be missing mir's pointYou might be missing mir's point
i'm not sure if emo missed mir's point or not, but i'm pretty confident that you either missed or ignored emo's point.
Don't know about lib but I ignored emo's point because this, like every other race conversations we've had, he's countering points I haven't made.
Post by: sys on July 14, 2016, 03:35:39 PM
Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 14, 2016, 03:41:50 PM
What if all lives matter isn't a monolith and includes people who use the phrase to say there is racism and inequality and the collective we need to strive to towards removing them and being more inclusive as a society.
This is exactly why black lives matter is important. I don't understand how in this country it's so hard to acknowledge that black people have had it ultra shitty throughout the history of this country? How in the eff can you guys fix anything if you refuse to acknowledge what has happened to black people in this country?
I acknowledge the history, what do you want me to fix and how, you wrote this crap not me.......
I don't want, you, cat27, to do anything, you're incapable of doing much of anything for anyone.
:lol: this is like a bbs Watersworld, you are just a big cliche with little substance, sad since I was truly interested in what you think, but for some reason you aren't willing to share that. Forgive me for not paying a whole lot of mind to your rhetoric going forward. Have fun saying colored, jiggaboo and porch monkey online tho :thumbsup:
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 14, 2016, 03:45:41 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 14, 2016, 03:46:44 PM
You might be missing mir's pointYou might be missing mir's point
i'm not sure if emo missed mir's point or not, but i'm pretty confident that you either missed or ignored emo's point.
Don't know about lib but I ignored emo's point because this, like every other race conversations we've had, he's countering points I haven't made.
This is what my response was about
Post by: sys on July 14, 2016, 04:08:28 PM
Don't know about lib but I ignored emo's point because this, like every other race conversations we've had, he's countering points I haven't made.
This is what my response was about
i can't read emo's mind and don't know exactly what points he was trying to make or what points he was trying to counter. it seemed to me that at least one point he was trying to discuss was mir's assertion of 400 years of institutional racism/slavery since 1619.
ignoring that 30 seconds of googling 1619 and slavery indicates that it is not precisely accurate*, mir definitely did make that point, and whether emo's entire line of posting was intended to address it or not, it definitely had moved in the direction of addressing it by the time liblib jumped in to state that it didn't address it.
*
Quote
African workers first appeared in Virginia in 1619, brought by English privateers from a Spanish slave ship they had intercepted. As the Africans were baptized Christians, they were treated as indentured servants.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 14, 2016, 04:17:54 PM
Don't know about lib but I ignored emo's point because this, like every other race conversations we've had, he's countering points I haven't made.
This is what my response was about
i can't read emo's mind and don't know exactly what points he was trying to make or what points he was trying to counter. it seemed to me that at least one point he was trying to discuss was mir's assertion of 400 years of institutional racism/slavery since 1619.
ignoring that 30 seconds of googling 1619 and slavery indicates that it is not precisely accurate*, mir definitely did make that point, and whether emo's entire line of posting was intended to address it or not, it definitely had moved in the direction of addressing it by the time liblib jumped in to state that it didn't address it.
*QuoteAfrican workers first appeared in Virginia in 1619, brought by English privateers from a Spanish slave ship they had intercepted. As the Africans were baptized Christians, they were treated as indentured servants.
My take:
Mir mentioned 400 years of institutional racism. Emo says that's not true. Mir says 16 whatever Emo says well Iceland killed some Spaniards.
The 400 years thing was not about white people should feel bad for stuff in the 1600's, but to show the length and the magnitude that systematic racism has entrenched itself into american society and how it still effects us today. The 400 years being exactly correct is not really relevant
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 14, 2016, 04:19:12 PM
Post by: sys on July 14, 2016, 04:19:36 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 14, 2016, 04:20:02 PM
I don't see a person who just insults every other person who doesn't wholesale adopt their pov as being genuinely interested in "engaging" in conversation. Very sociopathic and delusional behavior, per usual.So true
Post by: ChiComCat on July 14, 2016, 04:21:24 PM
I don't see a person who just insults every other person who doesn't wholesale adopt their pov as being genuinely interested in "engaging" in conversation. Very sociopathic and delusional behavior, per usual.
Pot meet kettle
Post by: star seed 7 on July 14, 2016, 04:22:51 PM
his point was that america didn't exist 400 years ago, liblib.
Does that mean that the areas that eventually became America had no bearing on culture? Again, irrelevant to the discussion
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 14, 2016, 04:24:29 PM
Don't know about lib but I ignored emo's point because this, like every other race conversations we've had, he's countering points I haven't made.
This is what my response was about
i can't read emo's mind and don't know exactly what points he was trying to make or what points he was trying to counter. it seemed to me that at least one point he was trying to discuss was mir's assertion of 400 years of institutional racism/slavery since 1619.
ignoring that 30 seconds of googling 1619 and slavery indicates that it is not precisely accurate*, mir definitely did make that point, and whether emo's entire line of posting was intended to address it or not, it definitely had moved in the direction of addressing it by the time liblib jumped in to state that it didn't address it.
*QuoteAfrican workers first appeared in Virginia in 1619, brought by English privateers from a Spanish slave ship they had intercepted. As the Africans were baptized Christians, they were treated as indentured servants.
My take:
Mir mentioned 400 years of institutional racism. Emo says that's not true. Mir says 16 whatever Emo says well Iceland killed some Spaniards.
The 400 years thing was not about white people should feel bad for stuff in the 1600's, but to show the length and the magnitude that systematic racism has entrenched itself into american society and how it still effects us today. The 400 years being exactly correct is not really relevant
The institution of slavery ended with hundreds of thousands of dead white men and hundreds of thousands more maimed 150 years ago.
Conflating slavery with the alleged institutional racism of today is beyond disingenious.
Post by: Kat Kid on July 14, 2016, 04:27:27 PM
Don't know about lib but I ignored emo's point because this, like every other race conversations we've had, he's countering points I haven't made.
This is what my response was about
i can't read emo's mind and don't know exactly what points he was trying to make or what points he was trying to counter. it seemed to me that at least one point he was trying to discuss was mir's assertion of 400 years of institutional racism/slavery since 1619.
ignoring that 30 seconds of googling 1619 and slavery indicates that it is not precisely accurate*, mir definitely did make that point, and whether emo's entire line of posting was intended to address it or not, it definitely had moved in the direction of addressing it by the time liblib jumped in to state that it didn't address it.
*QuoteAfrican workers first appeared in Virginia in 1619, brought by English privateers from a Spanish slave ship they had intercepted. As the Africans were baptized Christians, they were treated as indentured servants.
My take:
Mir mentioned 400 years of institutional racism. Emo says that's not true. Mir says 16 whatever Emo says well Iceland killed some Spaniards.
The 400 years thing was not about white people should feel bad for stuff in the 1600's, but to show the length and the magnitude that systematic racism has entrenched itself into american society and how it still effects us today. The 400 years being exactly correct is not really relevant
The institution of slavery ended with hundreds of thousands of dead white men and hundreds of thousands more maimed 150 years ago.
Conflating slavery with the alleged institutional racism of today is beyond disingenious(sic).
Like, your post right here?
Post by: mocat on July 14, 2016, 04:28:07 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 14, 2016, 04:28:18 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 14, 2016, 04:32:03 PM
yep, as soon as the civil war ended, whites and blacks have been equally treated ever since
Quite sociopathic
Post by: ChiComCat on July 14, 2016, 04:32:20 PM
The institution of slavery ended with hundreds of thousands of dead white men and hundreds of thousands more maimed 150 years ago.
This quote just screams:
https://youtu.be/-sfE0Ev6GYk?list=PLF7937A14F342B47D
Post by: sonofdaxjones on July 14, 2016, 04:34:21 PM
Post by: Trim on July 14, 2016, 04:54:55 PM
Post by: sys on July 14, 2016, 05:29:47 PM
his point was that america didn't exist 400 years ago, liblib.
Does that mean that the areas that eventually became America had no bearing on culture? Again, irrelevant to the discussion
maybe i don't understand what the discussion is about (or 11 different people are having eight different discussions).
in my opinion, the central discussion of the day is dancing around the idea of reparations, or some other remedy or corrective for the impact of slavery/institutional racism. mir stated in responses to various posters that he doesn't think descendants of people that developed/supported or upheld those institutions are personally responsible for any remedy and also that he doesn't think "white people" as a group are responsible. i agree with both of those statements.
that pretty much only leaves political entities as possible responsible parties it is nonsensical to hold a political entity responsible for actions that occurred when it didn't exist, hence any discussion of federal responsibility for institutions that perpetuated institutional racism prior to the existence of the us is irrelevant. if you want to discuss the potential responsibility of england or of virginia, it might be an interesting discussion.
Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 14, 2016, 05:48:34 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 14, 2016, 05:50:47 PM
I don't disagree. What then is the purpose of listing the grievances to conservatives or Americans or white people or whoever he was listing them for? Clearly he had a purpose, I'd like to know what the eff it was.
You, Emo, and fsd seem to think they have had no bearing on where we are at today
Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 14, 2016, 05:57:24 PM
I think it has a bearing on where they are today. Are we good now?I don't disagree. What then is the purpose of listing the grievances to conservatives or Americans or white people or whoever he was listing them for? Clearly he had a purpose, I'd like to know what the eff it was.
You, Emo, and fsd seem to think they have had no bearing on where we are at today
Post by: sys on July 14, 2016, 06:05:50 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 14, 2016, 06:17:53 PM
So blacks get some money now, then in 200 years whites get reparations for that? I suspect most of the mongoloids (lib, mocat, mir) haven't really thought this through, which explains their childish and unsubstantiated pov and inability to cobble together a coherent position.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 14, 2016, 06:19:04 PM
Wait, what? You think conservatives are the reason for racism?I don't disagree. What then is the purpose of listing the grievances to conservatives or Americans or white people or whoever he was listing them for? Clearly he had a purpose, I'd like to know what the eff it was.
You, Emo, and fsd seem to think they have had no bearing on where we are at today
Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 14, 2016, 06:33:50 PM
Post by: Trim on July 14, 2016, 06:44:53 PM
In this day and age you probably have more white people that have disdain for blacks because of behavior like Mir's than you have old school redneck racists, nice work fellas :thumbsup:
But can the new disdain'rs coexist w/the old school redneck racists in their new exclusive district?
Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 14, 2016, 06:51:16 PM
In this day and age you probably have more white people that have disdain for blacks because of behavior like Mir's than you have old school redneck racists, nice work fellas :thumbsup:
But can the new disdain'rs coexist w/the old school redneck racists in their new exclusive district?
Ask the new black panther party, they're spearheading that now.
Post by: Trim on July 14, 2016, 06:55:33 PM
In this day and age you probably have more white people that have disdain for blacks because of behavior like Mir's than you have old school redneck racists, nice work fellas :thumbsup:
But can the new disdain'rs coexist w/the old school redneck racists in their new exclusive district?
Ask the new black panther party, they're spearheading that now.
It's not up to them. In my new americas, racists will be entitled to live isolated from all other races. Utopia. But as part of hashing ot the details, I gotta know if there needs to be racist-generational sub-districts.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 14, 2016, 07:30:30 PM
Wait, what? You think conservatives are the reason for racism?I don't disagree. What then is the purpose of listing the grievances to conservatives or Americans or white people or whoever he was listing them for? Clearly he had a purpose, I'd like to know what the eff it was.
You, Emo, and fsd seem to think they have had no bearing on where we are at today
WackyCat08, sit this one out
Post by: star seed 7 on July 14, 2016, 07:32:54 PM
The entire process of curing perceived inequalities resulting from prior inequalities by way of future inequalities would be completely asinine, not to mention hyper conjectural and subjective, and by its own process unending.
So blacks get some money now, then in 200 years whites get reparations for that? I suspect most of the mongoloids (lib, mocat, mir) haven't really thought this through, which explains their childish and unsubstantiated pov and inability to cobble together a coherent position.
Feel free to link any post where I've suggested the government "gives blacks some money"
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 14, 2016, 07:34:41 PM
Sit what out?Wait, what? You think conservatives are the reason for racism?I don't disagree. What then is the purpose of listing the grievances to conservatives or Americans or white people or whoever he was listing them for? Clearly he had a purpose, I'd like to know what the eff it was.
You, Emo, and fsd seem to think they have had no bearing on where we are at today
WackyCat08, sit this one out
Post by: star seed 7 on July 14, 2016, 07:35:54 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 14, 2016, 07:36:20 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 14, 2016, 07:36:54 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 14, 2016, 07:46:18 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 14, 2016, 07:52:55 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 14, 2016, 08:00:56 PM
Post by: mocat on July 14, 2016, 08:12:21 PM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 14, 2016, 08:15:00 PM
OK WackyCat08
It's impossibleExplain
Post by: mocat on July 14, 2016, 08:24:23 PM
OK WackyCat08It's impossibleExplain
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=37855.0 (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=37855.0)
Post by: MakeItRain on July 15, 2016, 05:12:19 AM
In this day and age you probably have more white people that have disdain for blacks because of behavior like Mir's than you have old school redneck racists, nice work fellas :thumbsup:
I 'za sorry massa. I 'za be keepin' my thinkin' to myself
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 15, 2016, 08:25:51 AM
Post by: ChiComCat on July 15, 2016, 08:33:12 AM
In this day and age you probably have more white people that have disdain for blacks because of behavior like Mir's than you have old school redneck racists, nice work fellas :thumbsup:
I also blame black people for making white people racist
Post by: star seed 7 on July 15, 2016, 08:35:13 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 15, 2016, 08:36:03 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 15, 2016, 08:38:04 AM
Post by: puniraptor on July 15, 2016, 08:39:05 AM
I 'za sorry massa. I 'za be keepin' my thinkin' to myself
i knew jar jar binks was a racist creation, but i never realized quite how racist until this moment
Post by: star seed 7 on July 15, 2016, 08:40:01 AM
Post by: steve dave on July 15, 2016, 08:41:50 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 15, 2016, 08:45:57 AM
Who's ass am I kissing and how has it held me back in life?One of the weirdest things you could tell somebody, when you first meet them is, "I have a thing for black girls". Ok?! Why does this need to be spoke about as if it was some phenomenon to have feelings for a girl with a different skin color? IDK, but you said it. You don't have to rush to defend liberals and racism 24/7. Nobody cares what you think. Defending your wannabe friends is getting you nowhere that you want to be. "Part of the group".
Post by: star seed 7 on July 15, 2016, 08:59:35 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 15, 2016, 09:01:03 AM
OK WackyCat08Tap out noted.
Post by: The Big Train on July 15, 2016, 09:02:36 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 15, 2016, 09:04:13 AM
Post by: The Big Train on July 15, 2016, 09:06:34 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 15, 2016, 09:10:09 AM
Post by: mocat on July 15, 2016, 09:11:11 AM
Lib, you should spend less time being a kiss ass. It might take you places.
Wacky i made a thread for this post to go in
Post by: The Big Train on July 15, 2016, 09:12:40 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 15, 2016, 09:17:48 AM
I don't feel like you are happy here arguing with people all the time eitherIt passes time. Ppl have teamed up against me from day 1 on here. It will never change. I find it fun. I guess I get to play villain. It's fun until it gets personal. When you poke the bear enough, he's going to come after you eventually. I've been nothing but nice to everyone on this board IRL, but for some reason, ppl have to go to calling you names on here, when you disagree with their opinions. Sad.
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 15, 2016, 09:18:10 AM
i almost let an interesting nugget slide by. emo, do you consider yourself to be spanish?
No not at all.
Post by: mocat on July 15, 2016, 09:19:45 AM
Post by: The Big Train on July 15, 2016, 09:21:17 AM
I don't feel like you are happy here arguing with people all the time eitherIt passes time. Ppl have teamed up against me from day 1 on here. It will never change. I find it fun. I guess I get to play villain. It's fun until it gets personal. When you poke the bear enough, he's going to come after you eventually. I've been nothing but nice to everyone on this board IRL, but for some reason, ppl have to go to calling you names on here, when you disagree with their opinions. Sad.
Wacky man I like you and I think you are a good guy, but you do the exact same thing to people on here and especially on Twitter. My point is how does it benefit you individually engaging continuously when you know they are doing it on purpose?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 15, 2016, 09:22:24 AM
Wacky, you're the only one calling people namesYou're so blind. MIR called me rough ridin' stupid. Lib keeps implying I have Racist undertones. etc. Open your eyes. You continue to jump into the conversation, defending others, when i'm not even speaking to you. Just another day on gE.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 15, 2016, 09:23:38 AM
I'm not going to walk away from someone calling me rough ridin' stupid. Sorry. Not gonna happen.I don't feel like you are happy here arguing with people all the time eitherIt passes time. Ppl have teamed up against me from day 1 on here. It will never change. I find it fun. I guess I get to play villain. It's fun until it gets personal. When you poke the bear enough, he's going to come after you eventually. I've been nothing but nice to everyone on this board IRL, but for some reason, ppl have to go to calling you names on here, when you disagree with their opinions. Sad.
Wacky man I like you and I think you are a good guy, but you do the exact same thing to people on here and especially on Twitter. My point is how does it benefit you individually engaging continuously when you know they are doing it on purpose?
Post by: The Big Train on July 15, 2016, 09:26:51 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 15, 2016, 09:28:18 AM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on July 15, 2016, 09:32:02 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 15, 2016, 09:37:24 AM
safe to say that we've all suffered while reading this thread.. #alleyesmatter
I think you might actually be connected to the young lady in question. But it also may have been that guy that I thought was you but wasn't
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 15, 2016, 09:40:52 AM
his point was that america didn't exist 400 years ago, liblib.
Does that mean that the areas that eventually became America had no bearing on culture? Again, irrelevant to the discussion
maybe i don't understand what the discussion is about (or 11 different people are having eight different discussions).
in my opinion, the central discussion of the day is dancing around the idea of reparations, or some other remedy or corrective for the impact of slavery/institutional racism. mir stated in responses to various posters that he doesn't think descendants of people that developed/supported or upheld those institutions are personally responsible for any remedy and also that he doesn't think "white people" as a group are responsible. i agree with both of those statements.
that pretty much only leaves political entities as possible responsible parties it is nonsensical to hold a political entity responsible for actions that occurred when it didn't exist, hence any discussion of federal responsibility for institutions that perpetuated institutional racism prior to the existence of the us is irrelevant. if you want to discuss the potential responsibility of england or of virginia, it might be an interesting discussion.
That's not entirely true. Someone did ask who is responsible for fixing this, and he did pose the question something like "are the victims the one's responsible for the fix?" So if I Venn diagram this stuff out, MIR is either saying that white people today are responsible for the fix, or he's inferring that he believes something he doesn't actually believe.
I just wish he would actually say what he thinks should happen. Then his ideas could be confronted and considered for merit.
But, he won't do that, I'm not entirely sure why and I could speculate but nah that's not productive either.
Post by: yoga-like_abana on July 15, 2016, 09:43:48 AM
Did I miss something in this thread? I probably skipped quite a few pagessafe to say that we've all suffered while reading this thread.. #alleyesmatter
I think you might actually be connected to the young lady in question. But it also may have been that guy that I thought was you but wasn't
Post by: star seed 7 on July 15, 2016, 09:49:48 AM
Did I miss something in this thread? I probably skipped quite a few pagessafe to say that we've all suffered while reading this thread.. #alleyesmatter
I think you might actually be connected to the young lady in question. But it also may have been that guy that I thought was you but wasn't
Maybe, it's not important :)
Post by: treysolid on July 15, 2016, 10:19:37 AM
his point was that america didn't exist 400 years ago, liblib.
Does that mean that the areas that eventually became America had no bearing on culture? Again, irrelevant to the discussion
maybe i don't understand what the discussion is about (or 11 different people are having eight different discussions).
in my opinion, the central discussion of the day is dancing around the idea of reparations, or some other remedy or corrective for the impact of slavery/institutional racism. mir stated in responses to various posters that he doesn't think descendants of people that developed/supported or upheld those institutions are personally responsible for any remedy and also that he doesn't think "white people" as a group are responsible. i agree with both of those statements.
that pretty much only leaves political entities as possible responsible parties it is nonsensical to hold a political entity responsible for actions that occurred when it didn't exist, hence any discussion of federal responsibility for institutions that perpetuated institutional racism prior to the existence of the us is irrelevant. if you want to discuss the potential responsibility of england or of virginia, it might be an interesting discussion.
That's not entirely true. Someone did ask who is responsible for fixing this, and he did pose the question something like "are the victims the one's responsible for the fix?" So if I Venn diagram this stuff out, MIR is either saying that white people today are responsible for the fix, or he's inferring that he believes something he doesn't actually believe.
I just wish he would actually say what he thinks should happen. Then his ideas could be confronted and considered for merit.
But, he won't do that, I'm not entirely sure why and I could speculate but nah that's not productive either.
instead of having one group responsible for fixing strained race relations in this country, maybe...just maybe...black people and white people should work together to do it. the difficult thing is that it must start with the individual, and has to spread to the institutional level from there. you can't initiate the fix at the institutional level because then people start feeling like they've been left out of the conversation and start to resent being put in that position. Bun B (of UGK fame) has a great comment about this in the following video (which is also supremely fascinating):
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2Dh-GKWW5g[/youtube]
Post by: MakeItRain on July 15, 2016, 10:23:56 AM
his point was that america didn't exist 400 years ago, liblib.
Does that mean that the areas that eventually became America had no bearing on culture? Again, irrelevant to the discussion
maybe i don't understand what the discussion is about (or 11 different people are having eight different discussions).
in my opinion, the central discussion of the day is dancing around the idea of reparations, or some other remedy or corrective for the impact of slavery/institutional racism. mir stated in responses to various posters that he doesn't think descendants of people that developed/supported or upheld those institutions are personally responsible for any remedy and also that he doesn't think "white people" as a group are responsible. i agree with both of those statements.
that pretty much only leaves political entities as possible responsible parties it is nonsensical to hold a political entity responsible for actions that occurred when it didn't exist, hence any discussion of federal responsibility for institutions that perpetuated institutional racism prior to the existence of the us is irrelevant. if you want to discuss the potential responsibility of england or of virginia, it might be an interesting discussion.
That's not entirely true. Someone did ask who is responsible for fixing this, and he did pose the question something like "are the victims the one's responsible for the fix?" So if I Venn diagram this stuff out, MIR is either saying that white people today are responsible for the fix, or he's inferring that he believes something he doesn't actually believe.
I just wish he would actually say what he thinks should happen. Then his ideas could be confronted and considered for merit.
But, he won't do that, I'm not entirely sure why and I could speculate but nah that's not productive either.
What the eff dude, do you want me to make something up? I've said twice that I don't know what the answer is. I never said or inferred that it's a simple solution. What I do know is doing nothing and not acknowledging that there have been institutional ills, which is exactly why we're having this conversation, the dissenting opinion being since slavery everything has been peachy, is unacceptable and far from a solution.
And yes when we're talking about how to fix racial issues in this country white people need to fix it. The power structure is responsible for this and the power structure has to buy in for the solution is to work; that power structure clearly lies with the majority.
Post by: MakeItRain on July 15, 2016, 10:28:48 AM
his point was that america didn't exist 400 years ago, liblib.
Does that mean that the areas that eventually became America had no bearing on culture? Again, irrelevant to the discussion
maybe i don't understand what the discussion is about (or 11 different people are having eight different discussions).
in my opinion, the central discussion of the day is dancing around the idea of reparations, or some other remedy or corrective for the impact of slavery/institutional racism. mir stated in responses to various posters that he doesn't think descendants of people that developed/supported or upheld those institutions are personally responsible for any remedy and also that he doesn't think "white people" as a group are responsible. i agree with both of those statements.
that pretty much only leaves political entities as possible responsible parties it is nonsensical to hold a political entity responsible for actions that occurred when it didn't exist, hence any discussion of federal responsibility for institutions that perpetuated institutional racism prior to the existence of the us is irrelevant. if you want to discuss the potential responsibility of england or of virginia, it might be an interesting discussion.
That's not entirely true. Someone did ask who is responsible for fixing this, and he did pose the question something like "are the victims the one's responsible for the fix?" So if I Venn diagram this stuff out, MIR is either saying that white people today are responsible for the fix, or he's inferring that he believes something he doesn't actually believe.
I just wish he would actually say what he thinks should happen. Then his ideas could be confronted and considered for merit.
But, he won't do that, I'm not entirely sure why and I could speculate but nah that's not productive either.
instead of having one group responsible for fixing strained race relations in this country, maybe...just maybe...black people and white people should work together to do it. the difficult thing is that it must start with the individual, and has to spread to the institutional level from there. you can't initiate the fix at the institutional level because then people start feeling like they've been left out of the conversation and start to resent being put in that position. Bun B (of UGK fame) has a great comment about this in the following video (which is also supremely fascinating):
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2Dh-GKWW5g[/youtube]
Working together is all as well and good but ultimately if white people don't want it to happen, it won't. If we got reparations instead of Jim Crow a hundred years ago, we would be less likely to be where we are right now.
Post by: treysolid on July 15, 2016, 10:44:56 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 15, 2016, 10:55:30 AM
his point was that america didn't exist 400 years ago, liblib.
Does that mean that the areas that eventually became America had no bearing on culture? Again, irrelevant to the discussion
maybe i don't understand what the discussion is about (or 11 different people are having eight different discussions).
in my opinion, the central discussion of the day is dancing around the idea of reparations, or some other remedy or corrective for the impact of slavery/institutional racism. mir stated in responses to various posters that he doesn't think descendants of people that developed/supported or upheld those institutions are personally responsible for any remedy and also that he doesn't think "white people" as a group are responsible. i agree with both of those statements.
that pretty much only leaves political entities as possible responsible parties it is nonsensical to hold a political entity responsible for actions that occurred when it didn't exist, hence any discussion of federal responsibility for institutions that perpetuated institutional racism prior to the existence of the us is irrelevant. if you want to discuss the potential responsibility of england or of virginia, it might be an interesting discussion.
That's not entirely true. Someone did ask who is responsible for fixing this, and he did pose the question something like "are the victims the one's responsible for the fix?" So if I Venn diagram this stuff out, MIR is either saying that white people today are responsible for the fix, or he's inferring that he believes something he doesn't actually believe.
I just wish he would actually say what he thinks should happen. Then his ideas could be confronted and considered for merit.
But, he won't do that, I'm not entirely sure why and I could speculate but nah that's not productive either.
What the eff dude, do you want me to make something up? I've said twice that I don't know what the answer is. I never said or inferred that it's a simple solution. What I do know is doing nothing and not acknowledging that there have been institutional ills, which is exactly why we're having this conversation, the dissenting opinion being since slavery everything has been peachy, is unacceptable and far from a solution.
And yes when we're talking about how to fix racial issues in this country white people need to fix it. The power structure is responsible for this and the power structure has to buy in for the solution is to work; that power structure clearly lies with the majority.
I'm okay with brainstorming.
"We" are NOT "doing nothing." There has been plenty of legislation passed and enacted, among other things. You know that and ignore it.
There have been institutional ills, if people are denying that than I have missed it. Those ills led to the above referenced legislations. And those ills are not specific to or exclusive to blacks.
I personally believe the best thing we "white people" can do is to raise our children to respect and treat everyone else fairly. I also believe that making public policy more fair or slanted or whatever to favor any race over another is wrong, against the idea of the this country, and probably illegal anyway. I'll make a promise to you, some dude I've never met, that I will hold my children to a high standard in that regard.
Post by: Mrs. Gooch on July 15, 2016, 11:37:42 AM
Obviously, not everyone feels this way.
I don't think you know what "across the board" means.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 15, 2016, 11:50:18 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on July 15, 2016, 03:03:43 PM
his point was that america didn't exist 400 years ago, liblib.
Does that mean that the areas that eventually became America had no bearing on culture? Again, irrelevant to the discussion
maybe i don't understand what the discussion is about (or 11 different people are having eight different discussions).
in my opinion, the central discussion of the day is dancing around the idea of reparations, or some other remedy or corrective for the impact of slavery/institutional racism. mir stated in responses to various posters that he doesn't think descendants of people that developed/supported or upheld those institutions are personally responsible for any remedy and also that he doesn't think "white people" as a group are responsible. i agree with both of those statements.
that pretty much only leaves political entities as possible responsible parties it is nonsensical to hold a political entity responsible for actions that occurred when it didn't exist, hence any discussion of federal responsibility for institutions that perpetuated institutional racism prior to the existence of the us is irrelevant. if you want to discuss the potential responsibility of england or of virginia, it might be an interesting discussion.
That's not entirely true. Someone did ask who is responsible for fixing this, and he did pose the question something like "are the victims the one's responsible for the fix?" So if I Venn diagram this stuff out, MIR is either saying that white people today are responsible for the fix, or he's inferring that he believes something he doesn't actually believe.
I just wish he would actually say what he thinks should happen. Then his ideas could be confronted and considered for merit.
But, he won't do that, I'm not entirely sure why and I could speculate but nah that's not productive either.
What the eff dude, do you want me to make something up? I've said twice that I don't know what the answer is. I never said or inferred that it's a simple solution. What I do know is doing nothing and not acknowledging that there have been institutional ills, which is exactly why we're having this conversation, the dissenting opinion being since slavery everything has been peachy, is unacceptable and far from a solution.
And yes when we're talking about how to fix racial issues in this country white people need to fix it. The power structure is responsible for this and the power structure has to buy in for the solution is to work; that power structure clearly lies with the majority.
I'm okay with brainstorming.
"We" are NOT "doing nothing." There has been plenty of legislation passed and enacted, among other things. You know that and ignore it.
There have been institutional ills, if people are denying that than I have missed it. Those ills led to the above referenced legislations. And those ills are not specific to or exclusive to blacks.
I personally believe the best thing we "white people" can do is to raise our children to respect and treat everyone else fairly. I also believe that making public policy more fair or slanted or whatever to favor any race over another is wrong, against the idea of the this country, and probably illegal anyway. I'll make a promise to you, some dude I've never met, that I will hold my children to a high standard in that regard.
They kinda are though. Just discussing post Jim Crow; blacks were shoved into the same neighborhoods, then we're not offered the same municipal services and had schools in those neighborhoods underfunded. The only solution to this particular ill has been to work harder, yet it, much much more than slavery, is the biggest reason for the issues that black communities face.
This led me to my first set of solutions. Municipal services and infrastructure within metropolitan areas need to be upgraded. We need to spend more money on education and higher education needs to be even more accessible and affordable.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 15, 2016, 03:11:27 PM
https://twitter.com/KMUW/status/754037855761018880
Post by: mocat on July 15, 2016, 03:20:28 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 15, 2016, 03:26:16 PM
his point was that america didn't exist 400 years ago, liblib.
Does that mean that the areas that eventually became America had no bearing on culture? Again, irrelevant to the discussion
maybe i don't understand what the discussion is about (or 11 different people are having eight different discussions).
in my opinion, the central discussion of the day is dancing around the idea of reparations, or some other remedy or corrective for the impact of slavery/institutional racism. mir stated in responses to various posters that he doesn't think descendants of people that developed/supported or upheld those institutions are personally responsible for any remedy and also that he doesn't think "white people" as a group are responsible. i agree with both of those statements.
that pretty much only leaves political entities as possible responsible parties it is nonsensical to hold a political entity responsible for actions that occurred when it didn't exist, hence any discussion of federal responsibility for institutions that perpetuated institutional racism prior to the existence of the us is irrelevant. if you want to discuss the potential responsibility of england or of virginia, it might be an interesting discussion.
That's not entirely true. Someone did ask who is responsible for fixing this, and he did pose the question something like "are the victims the one's responsible for the fix?" So if I Venn diagram this stuff out, MIR is either saying that white people today are responsible for the fix, or he's inferring that he believes something he doesn't actually believe.
I just wish he would actually say what he thinks should happen. Then his ideas could be confronted and considered for merit.
But, he won't do that, I'm not entirely sure why and I could speculate but nah that's not productive either.
What the eff dude, do you want me to make something up? I've said twice that I don't know what the answer is. I never said or inferred that it's a simple solution. What I do know is doing nothing and not acknowledging that there have been institutional ills, which is exactly why we're having this conversation, the dissenting opinion being since slavery everything has been peachy, is unacceptable and far from a solution.
And yes when we're talking about how to fix racial issues in this country white people need to fix it. The power structure is responsible for this and the power structure has to buy in for the solution is to work; that power structure clearly lies with the majority.
I'm okay with brainstorming.
"We" are NOT "doing nothing." There has been plenty of legislation passed and enacted, among other things. You know that and ignore it.
There have been institutional ills, if people are denying that than I have missed it. Those ills led to the above referenced legislations. And those ills are not specific to or exclusive to blacks.
I personally believe the best thing we "white people" can do is to raise our children to respect and treat everyone else fairly. I also believe that making public policy more fair or slanted or whatever to favor any race over another is wrong, against the idea of the this country, and probably illegal anyway. I'll make a promise to you, some dude I've never met, that I will hold my children to a high standard in that regard.
They kinda are though. Just discussing post Jim Crow; blacks were shoved into the same neighborhoods, then we're not offered the same municipal services and had schools in those neighborhoods underfunded. The only solution to this particular ill has been to work harder, yet it, much much more than slavery, is the biggest reason for the issues that black communities face.
This led me to my first set of solutions. Municipal services and infrastructure within metropolitan areas need to be upgraded. We need to spend more money on education and higher education needs to be even more accessible and affordable.
I would probably mostly support those, but not if the projects were prioritized by demographic makeup (it shouldn't be a determining factor).
Post by: MakeItRain on July 15, 2016, 04:10:16 PM
his point was that america didn't exist 400 years ago, liblib.
Does that mean that the areas that eventually became America had no bearing on culture? Again, irrelevant to the discussion
maybe i don't understand what the discussion is about (or 11 different people are having eight different discussions).
in my opinion, the central discussion of the day is dancing around the idea of reparations, or some other remedy or corrective for the impact of slavery/institutional racism. mir stated in responses to various posters that he doesn't think descendants of people that developed/supported or upheld those institutions are personally responsible for any remedy and also that he doesn't think "white people" as a group are responsible. i agree with both of those statements.
that pretty much only leaves political entities as possible responsible parties it is nonsensical to hold a political entity responsible for actions that occurred when it didn't exist, hence any discussion of federal responsibility for institutions that perpetuated institutional racism prior to the existence of the us is irrelevant. if you want to discuss the potential responsibility of england or of virginia, it might be an interesting discussion.
That's not entirely true. Someone did ask who is responsible for fixing this, and he did pose the question something like "are the victims the one's responsible for the fix?" So if I Venn diagram this stuff out, MIR is either saying that white people today are responsible for the fix, or he's inferring that he believes something he doesn't actually believe.
I just wish he would actually say what he thinks should happen. Then his ideas could be confronted and considered for merit.
But, he won't do that, I'm not entirely sure why and I could speculate but nah that's not productive either.
What the eff dude, do you want me to make something up? I've said twice that I don't know what the answer is. I never said or inferred that it's a simple solution. What I do know is doing nothing and not acknowledging that there have been institutional ills, which is exactly why we're having this conversation, the dissenting opinion being since slavery everything has been peachy, is unacceptable and far from a solution.
And yes when we're talking about how to fix racial issues in this country white people need to fix it. The power structure is responsible for this and the power structure has to buy in for the solution is to work; that power structure clearly lies with the majority.
I'm okay with brainstorming.
"We" are NOT "doing nothing." There has been plenty of legislation passed and enacted, among other things. You know that and ignore it.
There have been institutional ills, if people are denying that than I have missed it. Those ills led to the above referenced legislations. And those ills are not specific to or exclusive to blacks.
I personally believe the best thing we "white people" can do is to raise our children to respect and treat everyone else fairly. I also believe that making public policy more fair or slanted or whatever to favor any race over another is wrong, against the idea of the this country, and probably illegal anyway. I'll make a promise to you, some dude I've never met, that I will hold my children to a high standard in that regard.
They kinda are though. Just discussing post Jim Crow; blacks were shoved into the same neighborhoods, then we're not offered the same municipal services and had schools in those neighborhoods underfunded. The only solution to this particular ill has been to work harder, yet it, much much more than slavery, is the biggest reason for the issues that black communities face.
This led me to my first set of solutions. Municipal services and infrastructure within metropolitan areas need to be upgraded. We need to spend more money on education and higher education needs to be even more accessible and affordable.
I would probably mostly support those, but not if the projects were prioritized by demographic makeup (it shouldn't be a determining factor).
But the problem is a demographic issue. My point is that the system had no problem disenfranchising blacks why not offer direct and proportional relief?
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 15, 2016, 04:15:07 PM
his point was that america didn't exist 400 years ago, liblib.
Does that mean that the areas that eventually became America had no bearing on culture? Again, irrelevant to the discussion
maybe i don't understand what the discussion is about (or 11 different people are having eight different discussions).
in my opinion, the central discussion of the day is dancing around the idea of reparations, or some other remedy or corrective for the impact of slavery/institutional racism. mir stated in responses to various posters that he doesn't think descendants of people that developed/supported or upheld those institutions are personally responsible for any remedy and also that he doesn't think "white people" as a group are responsible. i agree with both of those statements.
that pretty much only leaves political entities as possible responsible parties it is nonsensical to hold a political entity responsible for actions that occurred when it didn't exist, hence any discussion of federal responsibility for institutions that perpetuated institutional racism prior to the existence of the us is irrelevant. if you want to discuss the potential responsibility of england or of virginia, it might be an interesting discussion.
That's not entirely true. Someone did ask who is responsible for fixing this, and he did pose the question something like "are the victims the one's responsible for the fix?" So if I Venn diagram this stuff out, MIR is either saying that white people today are responsible for the fix, or he's inferring that he believes something he doesn't actually believe.
I just wish he would actually say what he thinks should happen. Then his ideas could be confronted and considered for merit.
But, he won't do that, I'm not entirely sure why and I could speculate but nah that's not productive either.
What the eff dude, do you want me to make something up? I've said twice that I don't know what the answer is. I never said or inferred that it's a simple solution. What I do know is doing nothing and not acknowledging that there have been institutional ills, which is exactly why we're having this conversation, the dissenting opinion being since slavery everything has been peachy, is unacceptable and far from a solution.
And yes when we're talking about how to fix racial issues in this country white people need to fix it. The power structure is responsible for this and the power structure has to buy in for the solution is to work; that power structure clearly lies with the majority.
I'm okay with brainstorming.
"We" are NOT "doing nothing." There has been plenty of legislation passed and enacted, among other things. You know that and ignore it.
There have been institutional ills, if people are denying that than I have missed it. Those ills led to the above referenced legislations. And those ills are not specific to or exclusive to blacks.
I personally believe the best thing we "white people" can do is to raise our children to respect and treat everyone else fairly. I also believe that making public policy more fair or slanted or whatever to favor any race over another is wrong, against the idea of the this country, and probably illegal anyway. I'll make a promise to you, some dude I've never met, that I will hold my children to a high standard in that regard.
They kinda are though. Just discussing post Jim Crow; blacks were shoved into the same neighborhoods, then we're not offered the same municipal services and had schools in those neighborhoods underfunded. The only solution to this particular ill has been to work harder, yet it, much much more than slavery, is the biggest reason for the issues that black communities face.
This led me to my first set of solutions. Municipal services and infrastructure within metropolitan areas need to be upgraded. We need to spend more money on education and higher education needs to be even more accessible and affordable.
I would probably mostly support those, but not if the projects were prioritized by demographic makeup (it shouldn't be a determining factor).
But the problem is a demographic issue. My point is that the system had no problem disenfranchising blacks why not offer direct and proportional relief?
Two wrongs don't make a right (is probably the simplest way I can say it).
Anyway, there are a lot of poor and impoverished blacks in rural Alabama. They probably could use some help. Just like the poor and impoverished white folks in rural Alabama. Poverty and education are probably big sources of the race issues we have (white and black folks alike).
Post by: MakeItRain on July 15, 2016, 05:22:28 PM
Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 15, 2016, 09:46:10 PM
Post by: bucket on July 16, 2016, 11:51:51 AM
How do we solve folks dropping out of this education we're talking about, and solve teenage pregnancy and drug use/sales?
How is this relevant to the conversation? Perhaps, start another thread.
Post by: bucket on July 16, 2016, 11:53:46 AM
Post by: SdK on July 16, 2016, 12:48:02 PM
always funny when wacky attack's black's victimhood mentality and then immediately goes right in to how he has been victimized.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 16, 2016, 01:16:17 PM
Going way back, people seemed to feel BLM should focus more on black on black violence instead of police brutality. Shouldn't black on black violence be dealt with in the community?
Yeah, let's do that instead.
What on earth?
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on July 16, 2016, 05:02:41 PM
KK didn't even know Hillary wasn't the SOS anymore. His leftist values are obviously flawed logic.always funny when wacky attack's black's victimhood mentality and then immediately goes right in to how he has been victimized.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 16, 2016, 05:16:40 PM
Post by: Asteriskhead on July 16, 2016, 06:32:35 PM
Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 16, 2016, 10:35:43 PM
How do we solve folks dropping out of this education we're talking about, and solve teenage pregnancy and drug use/sales?
How is this relevant to the conversation? Perhaps, start another thread.
....tha eff you talkin' bout? They just suggested more education to solve problems, don't ya think people ought to show up for it dumbass, or is that off topic. rough ridin' libtards.......
Post by: bucket on July 16, 2016, 11:05:04 PM
How do we solve folks dropping out of this education we're talking about, and solve teenage pregnancy and drug use/sales?
How is this relevant to the conversation? Perhaps, start another thread.
....tha eff you talkin' bout? They just suggested more education to solve problems, don't ya think people ought to show up for it dumbass, or is that off topic. rough ridin' libtards.......
I must have missed where these issues were discussed in this thread. I didn't want to assume that you were insinuating that african-americans have problems with education, teenage pregnancy and drug use/sales. Personally, I believe those statistics are a bit overblown.
Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 17, 2016, 01:10:09 AM
How do we solve folks dropping out of this education we're talking about, and solve teenage pregnancy and drug use/sales?
How is this relevant to the conversation? Perhaps, start another thread.
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....tha eff you talkin' bout? They just suggested more education to solve problems, don't ya think people ought to show up for it dumbass, or is that off topic. rough ridin' libtards.......
I must have missed where these issues were discussed in this thread. I didn't want to assume that you were insinuating that african-americans have problems with education, teenage pregnancy and drug use/sales. Personally, I believe those statistics are a bit overblown.
"Folks" can be white too weirdo.
Post by: bucket on July 17, 2016, 01:16:24 AM
How do we solve folks dropping out of this education we're talking about, and solve teenage pregnancy and drug use/sales?
How is this relevant to the conversation? Perhaps, start another thread.
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....tha eff you talkin' bout? They just suggested more education to solve problems, don't ya think people ought to show up for it dumbass, or is that off topic. rough ridin' libtards.......
I must have missed where these issues were discussed in this thread. I didn't want to assume that you were insinuating that african-americans have problems with education, teenage pregnancy and drug use/sales. Personally, I believe those statistics are a bit overblown.
"Folks" can be white too weirdo.
Exactly, so start a new, damn thread if you want to discuss that. How is that relevant to this discussion? :dubious:
Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 17, 2016, 01:24:03 AM
Post by: bucket on July 17, 2016, 01:42:47 AM
Read mir's last post where he mentions education and go to bed....
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blacks were shoved into the same neighborhoods, then we're not offered the same municipal services and had schools in those neighborhoods underfunded.
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We need to spend more money on education and higher education needs to be even more accessible and affordable.
Your response. A great one at that.
"How do we solve folks dropping out of this education we're talking about, and solve teenage pregnancy and drug use/sales?"
Statistics seem to show that investing in education has good yields. People do drop out. Not much you can do about that. However, more people graduate than don't when you invest in it. Then, you know, you brought up drugs and teenage pregnancy which no one else mentioned so I think that must be eating up at you.
Post by: gatoveintisiete on July 17, 2016, 01:54:27 AM
Post by: bucket on July 17, 2016, 02:03:57 AM
Post by: Trim on July 17, 2016, 08:35:15 AM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 17, 2016, 12:48:37 PM
Post by: Trim on July 18, 2016, 12:05:50 PM
I like how he acknowledged that some of what he described as "delusion" were factual points. Some of these writers are lol terrible.
I like your self-awareness.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 18, 2016, 12:11:24 PM
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While another reader, in Kirkland, conducted his own experiment. He drove around for a couple of hours and found he couldn’t tell the races of drivers in other cars. So he concluded it’s impossible for the police to be biased in a traffic stop — meaning Sims’ story is just unhappy coincidence.
:lol:
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 18, 2016, 03:44:05 PM
Help me out with the second wrong.
Providing government resources, collected from people independent of race in the form of taxes, and then distributed to others on the grounds of race is wrong, anti-American. Like I said, I'd be for it if it weren't based on demographics (specifically race demographics). Plenty of Latin and white areas could use some investment, too.
Post by: MakeItRain on July 18, 2016, 05:22:06 PM
Help me out with the second wrong.
Providing government resources, collected from people independent of race in the form of taxes, and then distributed to others on the grounds of race is wrong, anti-American. Like I said, I'd be for it if it weren't based on demographics (specifically race demographics). Plenty of Latin and white areas could use some investment, too.
Right, but you're forgetting all about the country's long history of systematically destroying black communities. Whites, Hispanics, and Asians didn't have to deal with that for the most part, although Hispanics have absolutely been the victims of housing discrimination. I'm guessing this will go back to you wanting me to just call it good without a substantive make good gesture or legislation. All of the legislation passed in the civil rights era did a good job of attempting to eliminate systematic racism, they did nothing to fix the hole white America dug black people into. I mean we still have people in the workforce that remember pre civil rights legislation America, yet many white people can't understand why black communities have serious problems.
190 years of oppression
50 years of perceived equality
"Why can't black people..."
Post by: stunted on July 18, 2016, 06:25:23 PM
Post by: hjfklmor on July 18, 2016, 06:31:11 PM
The institution of slavery ended with hundreds of thousands of dead white men and hundreds of thousands more maimed 150 years ago.
This quote just screams:
https://youtu.be/-sfE0Ev6GYk?list=PLF7937A14F342B47D
Post by: Emo EMAW on July 18, 2016, 07:37:49 PM
Yea but imagine if slavery never happened and all blacks were stuck in Africa
We would have multiple national championships.
Post by: Spracne on July 18, 2016, 07:42:04 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 18, 2016, 07:56:24 PM
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on July 18, 2016, 08:04:27 PM
How a comment like this isn't relentlessly berated as being rough ridin' insane is a testament to the delusion around here.
The "country" has been "systemically destroying" "black communities". Did the country do this while the members of the black community weren't looking, over their protest or were they complicit in this systemic destruction?
What the eff
Post by: Kat Kid on July 18, 2016, 08:15:01 PM
Yea but imagine if slavery never happened and all blacks were stuck in Africa
our music would suuuuuuuuuuuuuck.
Post by: stunted on July 18, 2016, 08:16:48 PM
Post by: Tobias on July 18, 2016, 08:19:12 PM
Post by: Spracne on July 18, 2016, 08:22:21 PM
How terrible is it living around a few million nardfrogs?
I really haven't noticed any TCU fans. Then again, I live and work in Dallas. :dunno:
Post by: wetwillie on July 18, 2016, 08:28:48 PM
As the only Dallas (temporary) resident-contributor to this blog, I'd like to make myself available to answer any questions as they arise.
I hope it's as temporary as possible. That place will ruin a man.
Post by: Tobias on July 18, 2016, 08:29:45 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 18, 2016, 08:32:35 PM
How terrible is it living around a few million nardfrogs?
I really haven't noticed any TCU fans. Then again, I live and work in Dallas. :dunno:
This isn't a tcu thing, it's a nardfrog thing. Maybe you need to familiarize yourself with his posts.
Q#2 how often do you eat whataburger
Post by: Spracne on July 18, 2016, 08:34:58 PM
hi spracne, big fan here. first question, how did it happen?
To which tragedy do you refer: the shootings? Or my temporary residency in the D?
Post by: Tobias on July 18, 2016, 08:35:41 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 18, 2016, 08:40:00 PM
Post by: Spracne on July 18, 2016, 08:41:23 PM
How terrible is it living around a few million nardfrogs?
I really haven't noticed any TCU fans. Then again, I live and work in Dallas. :dunno:
This isn't a tcu thing, it's a nardfrog thing. Maybe you need to familiarize yourself with his posts.
Q#2 how often do you eat whataburger
A#2: I have not dined on Whataburger since arriving here. However, I do crave el sabor de Whataburguesa, but convenience is King.
Post by: Spracne on July 18, 2016, 08:43:34 PM
Q#3 is sb real or is he a fat Damon sock?
A#3: SkiBibi Israel.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 18, 2016, 08:47:23 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on July 18, 2016, 08:49:19 PM
Post by: Spracne on July 18, 2016, 10:43:09 PM
Q#4 do you ever feel like you are in LA?
No. LA doesn't have underground tunnels connecting all the big buildings downtown. Dallas is way better.
Post by: Spracne on July 18, 2016, 10:44:20 PM
Q#5 are you required to wear cowboy boots?
No. Actually, I've been admonished on multiple occasions for wearing cowboy boots--much to my chagrin.
Post by: star seed 7 on July 18, 2016, 10:48:30 PM
Post by: Tobias on July 18, 2016, 10:57:12 PM
Post by: Spracne on July 18, 2016, 10:59:00 PM
pecan lodge or whatUptown is more in keeping with my KU sensibilities.
Post by: Tobias on July 18, 2016, 11:04:08 PM
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on July 19, 2016, 10:37:52 AM
Uptown is more in keeping with my KU sensibilities.
gross
Post by: star seed 7 on July 19, 2016, 10:53:59 AM
Uptown is more in keeping with my KU sensibilities.
gross
Spracs this is a nardfrog
Post by: TCUHornedFrog on July 19, 2016, 10:56:59 AM
Spracs this is a nardfrog
It's cute how jealous you are.
Post by: mocat on July 19, 2016, 11:57:17 AM
Spracs this is a nardfrog
It's cute how jealous you are.
this is also nardfrog ^
Post by: puniraptor on July 20, 2016, 03:20:05 AM
Post by: puniraptor on July 20, 2016, 03:21:49 AM
Post by: puniraptor on July 20, 2016, 03:23:11 AM
Post by: Institutional Control on July 20, 2016, 08:11:45 AM
pecan lodge or whatUptown is more in keeping with my KU sensibilities.
18th & Vine in uptown is good BBQ.
Post by: Institutional Control on July 20, 2016, 07:46:12 PM
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Post by: star seed 7 on July 20, 2016, 07:47:51 PM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on August 02, 2016, 08:11:09 AM
Post by: wetwillie on August 02, 2016, 08:19:15 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 02, 2016, 09:56:47 AM
Post by: wetwillie on August 02, 2016, 10:34:58 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on August 02, 2016, 10:36:38 AM
Amazing
Post by: Tobias on August 02, 2016, 10:39:01 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on August 02, 2016, 10:41:31 AM
privatized police forces? :excited:
Look how that worked out in robocop smdh
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 02, 2016, 10:50:53 AM
Post by: SkinnyBenny on August 02, 2016, 11:32:33 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 02, 2016, 01:37:59 PM
because there isn't any legal precedent and the rules of engagement are very unclear.
Basically the same problem as cops having guns, then.
Post by: wetwillie on August 02, 2016, 01:54:31 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 02, 2016, 02:00:41 PM
Post by: catastrophe on August 02, 2016, 03:12:14 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 03, 2016, 09:08:40 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 02, 2016, 05:10:43 AM
The Des Moines officer was killed less than a quarter of a mile from my Des Moines office, they're going door to door in the neighborhood asking for info.
Post by: slackcat on November 02, 2016, 05:23:18 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 02, 2016, 06:10:45 AM
Post by: steve dave on November 02, 2016, 07:46:56 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on November 02, 2016, 07:53:15 AM
Post by: Institutional Control on November 02, 2016, 08:10:23 AM
https://twitter.com/MurphyKeith/status/793795414856077312/photo/1
Post by: CNS on November 02, 2016, 08:42:27 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on November 02, 2016, 09:19:04 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on November 02, 2016, 09:39:41 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 02, 2016, 10:35:09 AM
Scott Greene is an alt right'r, the following videos are from his boring ass youtube video. The very short first one is just a still shot he posted himself of at an Urbandale football game a couple of weeks ago. He decided to stand in front of like the only 10 black people in Urbandale and display a confederate flag.
https://youtu.be/yHqDDv6Ap0g
Greene was removed from the game for this and then had the following interaction with the Urbandale PD and an Urbandale PD administrator. He killed the Urbandale officer literally on the exact same corner as this incident happened. This one is kind of long and boring.
https://youtu.be/UHEFsWbi2W8
Post by: Emo EMAW on November 02, 2016, 10:39:10 AM
Post by: SdK on November 02, 2016, 10:41:05 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 02, 2016, 10:57:16 AM
MIR are you pissed he was captured alive?
What the eff kind of question is this?
Post by: star seed 7 on November 02, 2016, 10:58:33 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 02, 2016, 11:00:56 AM
Post by: Emo EMAW on November 02, 2016, 11:18:22 AM
Post by: Spracne on November 02, 2016, 04:07:51 PM
:lol:
Post by: Spracne on November 02, 2016, 04:09:49 PM
Shrewd use of Billy Joel's "Movin' Out"
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on November 02, 2016, 04:15:48 PM
Post by: Emo EMAW on November 02, 2016, 04:36:02 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on November 06, 2016, 03:27:39 AM
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/03/us/police-iowa-ambush-killed.html
Post by: Emo EMAW on November 08, 2016, 08:10:00 AM