Orlando shooting. Sad.

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Did I miss in the news that the filibuster legit accomplished something or did the daily show get hoodwinked or did they lie?

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/pbmjci/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-senate-democrats-filibuster-for-gun-control?xrs=share_copy_email_cctveapp

My understanding is that they had a deal, but this guy filibustered it for no known reason other than he reps the district where Newton CT is, and then they did or will do the same deal again.

The bipartisan deal is that if you are on "a list" you can't buy a gun. So basically a swift kick in the nuts for due process rights. Very Obama-y.

I think you should keep getting news from the Daily show though. That's awesome.

I'd love to see an unbiased news story that plainly clarifies what the filibuster'r thought he was (or wanted people to believe) he was accomplishing, and if it worked.  Because as far as I know, absolutely nothing has been accomplished since last Sunday.

"The list" def seems problematic, and already even w/o the gun aspect.  I don't follow why it's "secret" and there's no way to litigate being on it or not, if the secret is blown as soon as one tries to get on their flight.

That's really weird that you take a post pointing out that the daily show's representation of something doesn't seem to match reality as "getting news from the daily show."

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any updates on if the praying accomplished something?

It made a bunch of people who tweeted/posted that they were praying for Orlando instantly feel better about themselves...

I haven't prayed, and nothing's been accomplished.  Correlation?

[8manpick]

FYI, DC vs Heller and Mcdonald vs. Chicago pretty much ended all of Chicago's strict gun laws as of 2008/10 so using Chicago as an example of gun control leading to more violent crime is pretty silly

Fyi, this is completely inaccurate.

I mean, handguns are allowed, concealed carry is allowed, there is no gun registry anymore, guns can be sold within city limits. Assault weapons are banned but that is pretty common among major cities... What are Chicago's strict gun laws?

[steve dave]

a strange amount of people become enraged when the daily show is mentioned

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a strange amount of people become enraged when the daily show is mentioned

Lucky for them, it'll probably be canceled soon.  The new guy just isn't funny.

[steve dave]

a strange amount of people become enraged when the daily show is mentioned

Lucky for them, it'll probably be canceled soon.  The new guy just isn't funny.

yeah, he's not good at all

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a strange amount of people become enraged when the daily show is mentioned

Lucky for them, it'll probably be canceled soon.  The new guy just isn't funny.

yeah, he's not good at all

Oh man, lol at you for getting your news from the daily show.

[ChiComCat]

So republicans are ok with no due process for gitmo but want due process if you are going to prevent buying guns

[catastrophe]

Anyone want to explain the logic behind Obama working to take away Americans' right to keep and bear arms while at the same time arming the terrorist-supporting regime of Iran with nuclear weapons?

Undoubtedly Obama's legacy will be the irreversible damage done to gun rights in America, it's shocking how difficult it is to legally acquire guns here as opposed to eight years ago. The rest of the modern world frequently wish their gun laws are as stringent as ours.

I've never really tried acquiring firearms. Is it difficult in the sense there are requirements you have to meet or else you will be denied to ability to purchase, or is it difficult as in you cannot get whatever you want whenever you want?

[catastrophe]

So republicans are ok with no due process for gitmo but want due process if you are going to prevent arm

The whole point of gitmo is that it's not America.

[Emo EMAW]

So republicans are ok with no due process for gitmo but want due process if you are going to prevent buying guns

Does due process apply to Gitmo?  We drone strike lots of foreigners without due process. 

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Did I miss in the news that the filibuster legit accomplished something or did the daily show get hoodwinked or did they lie?

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/pbmjci/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-senate-democrats-filibuster-for-gun-control?xrs=share_copy_email_cctveapp

My understanding is that they had a deal, but this guy filibustered it for no known reason other than he reps the district where Newton CT is, and then they did or will do the same deal again.

The bipartisan deal is that if you are on "a list" you can't buy a gun. So basically a swift kick in the nuts for due process rights. Very Obama-y.

I think you should keep getting news from the Daily show though. That's awesome.

I'd love to see an unbiased news story that plainly clarifies what the filibuster'r thought he was (or wanted people to believe) he was accomplishing, and if it worked.  Because as far as I know, absolutely nothing has been accomplished since last Sunday.

"The list" def seems problematic, and already even w/o the gun aspect.  I don't follow why it's "secret" and there's no way to litigate being on it or not, if the secret is blown as soon as one tries to get on their flight.

That's really weird that you take a post pointing out that the daily show's representation of something doesn't seem to match reality as "getting news from the daily show."

I agree with you here. Sorry about the daily show dig, I didn't know you were so sensitive about it.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

So republicans are ok with no due process for gitmo but want due process if you are going to prevent buying guns

So Democrats are okay with due process rights for non-citizen prisoners of war, but not for us citizens who've been charged with no crime?

[ChiComCat]

So republicans are ok with no due process for gitmo but want due process if you are going to prevent buying guns

So Democrats are okay with due process rights for non-citizen prisoners of war, but not for us citizens who've been charged with no crime?

I would rather have due process for people we are going to incarcerate than people we are going to prevent from going to a gun range/hunting

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

FYI, DC vs Heller and Mcdonald vs. Chicago pretty much ended all of Chicago's strict gun laws as of 2008/10 so using Chicago as an example of gun control leading to more violent crime is pretty silly

Fyi, this is completely inaccurate.

I mean, handguns are allowed, concealed carry is allowed, there is no gun registry anymore, guns can be sold within city limits. Assault weapons are banned but that is pretty common among major cities... What are Chicago's strict gun laws?

I'm sure there's an ordinance you can post that will spell out Chicago's gun laws.

Heller and McDonald both overturned municipal schemes deliberately designed to make it impossible to legally own a gun. They didn't ban all regulation.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

So republicans are ok with no due process for gitmo but want due process if you are going to prevent buying guns

So Democrats are okay with due process rights for non-citizen prisoners of war, but not for us citizens who've been charged with no crime?

I would rather have due process for people we are going to incarcerate than people we are going to prevent from going to a gun range/hunting

None of us are surprised you have this perverted take on due process rights.

[Emo EMAW]

So republicans are ok with no due process for gitmo but want due process if you are going to prevent buying guns

So Democrats are okay with due process rights for non-citizen prisoners of war, but not for us citizens who've been charged with no crime?

I would rather have due process for people we are going to incarcerate than people we are going to prevent from going to a gun range/hunting

 

(It doesn't have to be one or the other, FWIW.)

[MakeItRain]

Anyone want to explain the logic behind Obama working to take away Americans' right to keep and bear arms while at the same time arming the terrorist-supporting regime of Iran with nuclear weapons?

Undoubtedly Obama's legacy will be the irreversible damage done to gun rights in America, it's shocking how difficult it is to legally acquire guns here as opposed to eight years ago. The rest of the modern world frequently wish their gun laws are as stringent as ours.

I've never really tried acquiring firearms. Is it difficult in the sense there are requirements you have to meet or else you will be denied to ability to purchase, or is it difficult as in you cannot get whatever you want whenever you want?

Did you miss my sarcasm or am I missing yours?

[catastrophe]

I think that one's on me.

[sonofdaxjones]

 http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-16/fbi-us-homicide-rate-51-year-low

[stunted]

Instead of gun control or bans, violent liberals should stop shooting each other

If New York City were all white, the murder rate would drop by 91 percent, the robbery rate by 81 percent, and the shootings rate by 97 percent. In an all­-white Chicago, murder would decline 90 percent, rape by 81 percent, and robbery by 90 percent.

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime#United_States

[star seed 7]

Man, white people are great

[bubbles4ksu]

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-06-16/fbi-us-homicide-rate-51-year-low

These are encouraging numbers but I wonder about the effect of better medicine.

I'm not coming at you here, dax. I want you to know that a lot of people in Intelligence believe that zerohedge is Russian propaganda. It has no bearing on that article's accuracy, just an FYI.

[bubbles4ksu]

Instead of gun control or bans, violent liberals should stop shooting each other

If New York City were all white, the murder rate would drop by 91 percent, the robbery rate by 81 percent, and the shootings rate by 97 percent. In an all­-white Chicago, murder would decline 90 percent, rape by 81 percent, and robbery by 90 percent.

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime#United_States

this stat needs controls for ancestral slavery in areas of historic poverty before comparing to those enjoying just the opposite.

[8manpick]

Instead of gun control or bans, violent liberals should stop shooting each other

If New York City were all white, the murder rate would drop by 91 percent, the robbery rate by 81 percent, and the shootings rate by 97 percent. In an all­-white Chicago, murder would decline 90 percent, rape by 81 percent, and robbery by 90 percent.

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime#United_States

this stat needs controls for ancestral slavery in areas of historic poverty before comparing to those enjoying just the opposite.

If Chicago was all rich, murder would probably decline by like 97%