Orlando shooting. Sad.

[star seed 7]

Yup

[catastrophe]

I'm trying to understand yesterday's filibuster. Normally a filibuster is to prevent a vote, but there was no vote scheduled. I gathered both sides were kicking around some ideas on legislation about tightening up gun sales to terrorist-ish types, but were trying to agree on detail, in their offices or whatever. So what was the point of that particular filibuster? Was the guy trying to make it so absolutely nothing else besides gun stuff happened in the actual legislature room until those outside the room got to a compromise? Did it work, or was it a lot of grandstanding?

What a ridiculous system. I tried watching last night and it was relegated to cspan2 while British legislators yelling were on the main channel. We need v2.0.

I don't know a ton about the procedural rules, but I think the speaker can have a lot of authority over what bills get considered and when. I think the filibuster was to get their bill on the floor for debate/consideration, which required at least some bipartisan support.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

http://kdvr.com/2016/06/14/gun-sales-surge-after-orlando-shooting/

DENVER -- Gun sales are surging in the wake of Sunday’s deadly mass shooting in Orlando, Fla. The tragedy is generating new debate over gun control reform and the right to bear arms.

Gun shops typically see a spike in customers after mass shootings. But this time, many are seeing shoppers they’ve never really seen before: More gays and lesbians.

The Pink Pistols is a national gun club for gays and lesbians. It saw its membership soar from about 1,500 members on Saturday to 3,500 on Monday.

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I'm trying to understand yesterday's filibuster. Normally a filibuster is to prevent a vote, but there was no vote scheduled. I gathered both sides were kicking around some ideas on legislation about tightening up gun sales to terrorist-ish types, but were trying to agree on detail, in their offices or whatever. So what was the point of that particular filibuster? Was the guy trying to make it so absolutely nothing else besides gun stuff happened in the actual legislature room until those outside the room got to a compromise? Did it work, or was it a lot of grandstanding?

What a ridiculous system. I tried watching last night and it was relegated to cspan2 while British legislators yelling were on the main channel. We need v2.0.

I don't know a ton about the procedural rules, but I think the speaker can have a lot of authority over what bills get considered and when. I think the filibuster was to get their bill on the floor for debate/consideration, which required at least some bipartisan support.

How'd it go?

[pvegs]

Not the place, but why in the world would you need something bad to happen to you in order to not believe?

Are you being for reals?

i'd say most of these apply to wacky as well http://theslot.jezebel.com/in-honor-of-donald-trumps-70th-birthday-here-are-70-wa-1781899319

Hot take, pvegs. Happy Trim has found another bitch boy to eff with.

when i'm getting stung in the eyeballs by jellyfish next wk, i'm gonna miss these convos, wacks.

[Emo EMAW]

Jellyfish bukake really is a time for reflection.

[Ptolemy]

Anyone want to explain the logic behind Obama working to take away Americans' right to keep and bear arms while at the same time arming the terrorist-supporting regime of Iran with nuclear weapons?

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Anyone want to explain the logic behind Obama working to take away Americans' right to keep and bear arms while at the same time arming the terrorist-supporting regime of Iran with nuclear weapons?

I don't sweat Iran.

[pvegs]

Jellyfish bukake really is a time for reflection.

too tru. after you exhaust your supply of "motherfuckers" all you're left with is "why am i here?" "how did i get here?"

[catastrophe]

How'd it go?

People on Facebook seem happy with it.

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How'd it go?

People on Facebook seem happy with it.

Mission accomplished!

[MakeItRain]

Maybe not having all to deal with all the negative consequences of legal guns would free up some resources to focus in on dealing with the new illegal gun problem.

Well then you would have to deal with the negative consequences of not having legal guns, too.

Like????

Increase in violent crime, for example (DC, Chicago, etc).

Sorry I'm two days late here and if this has been discussed I apologize but am I reading correctly that emo is proposing more guns to fix the murder rate in Chicago?

 

Also not sure why you mentioned D.C., murder rate isn't up there

[MakeItRain]

Anyone want to explain the logic behind Obama working to take away Americans' right to keep and bear arms while at the same time arming the terrorist-supporting regime of Iran with nuclear weapons?

Undoubtedly Obama's legacy will be the irreversible damage done to gun rights in America, it's shocking how difficult it is to legally acquire guns here as opposed to eight years ago. The rest of the modern world frequently wish their gun laws are as stringent as ours.

[Emo EMAW]

Maybe not having all to deal with all the negative consequences of legal guns would free up some resources to focus in on dealing with the new illegal gun problem.

Well then you would have to deal with the negative consequences of not having legal guns, too.

Like????

Increase in violent crime, for example (DC, Chicago, etc).

Sorry I'm two days late here and if this has been discussed I apologize but am I reading correctly that emo is proposing more guns to fix the murder rate in Chicago?

 

Also not sure why you mentioned D.C., murder rate isn't up there

Your determination to put words in other people's mouths is astounding. 

[Phil Titola]

I feel like people that want the American public armed don't interact with many people in their daily lives.  People are too dumb to carry around hand cannons.  Hell 50% of the cops shouldn't have bullets. #hottake

[Emo EMAW]

Regulation should totally be driven by feelings.

[MakeItRain]

Maybe not having all to deal with all the negative consequences of legal guns would free up some resources to focus in on dealing with the new illegal gun problem.

Well then you would have to deal with the negative consequences of not having legal guns, too.

Like????

Increase in violent crime, for example (DC, Chicago, etc).

Sorry I'm two days late here and if this has been discussed I apologize but am I reading correctly that emo is proposing more guns to fix the murder rate in Chicago?

 

Also not sure why you mentioned D.C., murder rate isn't up there

Your determination to put words in other people's mouths is astounding.

You said that a negative consequence of having no legal guns is

Increase in violent crime, for example (DC, Chicago, etc).

What words am I putting in your mouth? Very basic logic is dictating that you believe more guns would be helpful in Chicago.

[8manpick]

FYI, DC vs Heller and Mcdonald vs. Chicago pretty much ended all of Chicago's strict gun laws as of 2008/10 so using Chicago as an example of gun control leading to more violent crime is pretty silly

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Did I miss in the news that the filibuster legit accomplished something or did the daily show get hoodwinked or did they lie?

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/pbmjci/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-senate-democrats-filibuster-for-gun-control?xrs=share_copy_email_cctveapp

[steve dave]

any updates on if the praying accomplished something?

[The Big Train]

I don't think enough have prayed enough yet

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any updates on if the praying accomplished something?

https://twitter.com/hosienation/status/743771782449139712

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Did I miss in the news that the filibuster legit accomplished something or did the daily show get hoodwinked or did they lie?

http://www.cc.com/video-clips/pbmjci/the-daily-show-with-trevor-noah-senate-democrats-filibuster-for-gun-control?xrs=share_copy_email_cctveapp

My understanding is that they had a deal, but this guy filibustered it for no known reason other than he reps the district where Newton CT is, and then they did or will do the same deal again.

The bipartisan deal is that if you are on "a list" you can't buy a gun. So basically a swift kick in the nuts for due process rights. Very Obama-y.

I think you should keep getting news from the Daily show though. That's awesome.

[Dugout DickStone]

any updates on if the praying accomplished something?

It made a bunch of people who tweeted/posted that they were praying for Orlando instantly feel better about themselves...

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

FYI, DC vs Heller and Mcdonald vs. Chicago pretty much ended all of Chicago's strict gun laws as of 2008/10 so using Chicago as an example of gun control leading to more violent crime is pretty silly

Fyi, this is completely inaccurate.