hi you (guys), late to this thread. i have never once heard someone describe IT people as "shitty", the way that everyone describes sales people (shitty). i mean have you ever seen silicon valley? IT guys are the heroes and the sales people crap all over everything and are shitty people. now waiting tables (completely unrelated in every single imaginable way to being a shitty sales person) is a great service industry job where you serve people. any waiter/waitress will tell you the shittiest customers are usually shitty sales people on some shitty power lunch trying to lock down some shitty sale. just like slipknot said "sales people equal crap"