1, 2, Bernie's coming for you...

[Ptolemy]

Why is the wallet depicted as a blue circle?

He's actually reaching for the coin in the next primary coin flip with Hildebeast screaming, "Mine!"

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Quick question for those who feel the bern: I currently pay about 40% of my income in the form of one tax or another, including 22% to the federal government (that's total tax / AGI). How much more of my income will Bernie take? I need something more specific than "according to my ability."

He's mainly going to raise the crap out of the top marginal tax rates, so you probably won't feel much of a difference. But 40% paid in taxes? That better be including more than income tax.

K-S-U always puts his sales tax, property tax, FICO, & social security into his "income tax" figures.

Sorry - should have been more clear. My effective federal income tax rate alone is 22%. That's total fed income tax / AGI. Add in state tax, FICA, property tax, etc. and I'm pushing 40%.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Quick question for those who feel the bern: I currently pay about 40% of my income in the form of one tax or another, including 22% to the federal government (that's total tax / AGI). How much more of my income will Bernie take? I need something more specific than "according to my ability."

yea i dont think your tax liability will drastically increase..and the only increase you would see is to pay for single payer healthcare...but then you dont have to worry about health insurance so it will be a net gain or close to it (i know you think youll get shitty cover through single payer, not arguing that).

Right - so if Bern gets his way, I'll pay higher taxes for the same exact "free" healthcare everybody who isn't paying as much gets, and it'll be like going to the VA. That doesn't sound fair, from my perspective.

[bucket]

To be fair, I am not a fan of the executive order spree that seems to be the preferred way of doing biz for the last few presidents.  I do blame congress, the level of partisan separation, and the thought that the best way to govern is to not even listen to or engage the other party.  If congress wasn't a crap storm the office of the president wouldn't have had to wrangle a way to accomplish something(good or bad).  Congress is now more of a place to go hang out, troll ppl on twitter, and just make sure that if the other party has a president in power that they don't ever get anything they want.

I'm pretty much okay with this, assuming the executive order thing stops.

Obama has enacted fewer executive orders than any president per year, on average, since the great Grover Cleveland.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/every-presidents-executive-actions-in-one-chart/

[star seed 7]

Quick question for those who feel the bern: I currently pay about 40% of my income in the form of one tax or another, including 22% to the federal government (that's total tax / AGI). How much more of my income will Bernie take? I need something more specific than "according to my ability."

yea i dont think your tax liability will drastically increase..and the only increase you would see is to pay for single payer healthcare...but then you dont have to worry about health insurance so it will be a net gain or close to it (i know you think youll get shitty cover through single payer, not arguing that).

Right - so if Bern gets his way, I'll pay higher taxes for the same exact "free" healthcare everybody who isn't paying as much gets, and it'll be like going to the VA. That doesn't sound fair, from my perspective.

that's the price you pay for living in a civilized society.  taxes go to all sorts of things you (and i!) don't use, not sure why you so butthurt about it.

[sys]

i'm pretty butthurt about all of my taxes that get spent on other people's kids. i'll admit.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

To be fair, I am not a fan of the executive order spree that seems to be the preferred way of doing biz for the last few presidents.  I do blame congress, the level of partisan separation, and the thought that the best way to govern is to not even listen to or engage the other party.  If congress wasn't a crap storm the office of the president wouldn't have had to wrangle a way to accomplish something(good or bad).  Congress is now more of a place to go hang out, troll ppl on twitter, and just make sure that if the other party has a president in power that they don't ever get anything they want.

I'm pretty much okay with this, assuming the executive order thing stops.

Obama has enacted fewer executive orders than any president per year, on average, since the great Grover Cleveland.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/every-presidents-executive-actions-in-one-chart/

It isn't the quantity, it's the quality, or lack there of.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Quick question for those who feel the bern: I currently pay about 40% of my income in the form of one tax or another, including 22% to the federal government (that's total tax / AGI). How much more of my income will Bernie take? I need something more specific than "according to my ability."

yea i dont think your tax liability will drastically increase..and the only increase you would see is to pay for single payer healthcare...but then you dont have to worry about health insurance so it will be a net gain or close to it (i know you think youll get shitty cover through single payer, not arguing that).

Right - so if Bern gets his way, I'll pay higher taxes for the same exact "free" healthcare everybody who isn't paying as much gets, and it'll be like going to the VA. That doesn't sound fair, from my perspective.

that's the price you pay for living in a civilized society.  taxes go to all sorts of things you (and i!) don't use, not sure why you so butthurt about it.

I don't think society would be any less civilized if everyone paid a flat 12% federal income tax.

[gatoveintisiete]

Bernie is going to be beaten, BIG LEAGUE 

[Rage Against the McKee]

i'm pretty butthurt about all of my taxes that get spent on other people's kids. i'll admit.

I justify it by telling myself that I really don't want to be surrounded by people even dumber than they already are.

[Emo EMAW]

Can we go back to the part where @Ptolemy thought a Republican controlled Congress failed to stop Obamacare?

[CNS]

Lemy is a sock, and a bad one at that.  Don't engage.  It is just talking points with non rational thought mixed in with links from lol land.

[Ptolemy]

Can we go back to the part where @Ptolemy thought a Republican controlled Congress failed to stop Obamacare?

Not talking about when it was passed via reconciliation into law. Was referring to the numerous omnibus spending bills passed under a Republican controlled congress that had opportunities to defund it. Remember Cruz shutting down government? (Sheesh!)

[chuckjames]

Quick question for those who feel the bern: I currently pay about 40% of my income in the form of one tax or another, including 22% to the federal government (that's total tax / AGI). How much more of my income will Bernie take? I need something more specific than "according to my ability."

yea i dont think your tax liability will drastically increase..and the only increase you would see is to pay for single payer healthcare...but then you dont have to worry about health insurance so it will be a net gain or close to it (i know you think youll get shitty cover through single payer, not arguing that).

Right - so if Bern gets his way, I'll pay higher taxes for the same exact "free" healthcare everybody who isn't paying as much gets, and it'll be like going to the VA. That doesn't sound fair, from my perspective.

And I don't think it's fair that some people are born rich, while others are born poor...alas life ain't fair.

[chuckjames]

Lemy is a sock, and a bad one at that.  Don't engage.  It is just talking points with non rational thought mixed in with links from lol land.

Took me far too long to realize this.

[michigancat]

I'm reasonably sure my company would raise salaries if they didn't have to pay for health care. The Bay Area market is competitive enough that it that it would start happening or employees will jump ship to renegotiate new higher salaries (as they do already). You would also likely see premium coverage offered/given by companies that treat their employees well.

[CNS]

I mean, companies weren't legally required to offer any health insurance for the last thirty years and most still did.  Why would that change just because the mechanism that funds it shifts? 

[Asteriskhead]

I mean, companies weren't legally required to offer any health insurance for the last thirty years and most still did.  Why would that change just because the mechanism that funds it shifts?

because the sky is falling.

[sys]

I mean, companies weren't legally required to offer any health insurance for the last thirty years and most still did.  Why would that change just because the mechanism that funds it shifts?

because employees would probably prefer to have increased salaries rather than redundant health care.

[Emo EMAW]

I mean, companies weren't legally required to offer any health insurance for the last thirty years and most still did.  Why would that change just because the mechanism that funds it shifts?

because employees would probably prefer to have increased salaries rather than redundant health care.

And employers would rather pay a salary than deal with the administrative headache of negotiating and offering the health care.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Quick question for those who feel the bern: I currently pay about 40% of my income in the form of one tax or another, including 22% to the federal government (that's total tax / AGI). How much more of my income will Bernie take? I need something more specific than "according to my ability."

yea i dont think your tax liability will drastically increase..and the only increase you would see is to pay for single payer healthcare...but then you dont have to worry about health insurance so it will be a net gain or close to it (i know you think youll get shitty cover through single payer, not arguing that).

Right - so if Bern gets his way, I'll pay higher taxes for the same exact "free" healthcare everybody who isn't paying as much gets, and it'll be like going to the VA. That doesn't sound fair, from my perspective.

And I don't think it's fair that some people are born rich, while others are born poor...alas life ain't fair.

True, life isn't fair. that doesn't mean the government should heap one unfairness on top of another. Just because many people are born poor doesn't make it "fair" to seize a higher percentage of other people's money to "even things out." It also doesn't work, but that's another issue.

[star seed 7]

Maybe your employer pays your healthcare tax for you 

[Emo EMAW]

Maybe your employer pays your entire salary to the health care fund, and then the health care fund pays you, minus the expense for your health care.

[star seed 7]

That doesn't seem efficient

[Dub]

I'm sure there will be plenty of docs who step outside the single payer spectrum on a cash/subscription basis.  Therefore rich people will still have better care.