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Re: 40 Acres and a Mule
« Reply #25 on: December 28, 2015, 12:41:37 PM »
Fsd thinks the idea of educating blacks is "wtf" and a "bad idea"
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Re: 40 Acres and a Mule
« Reply #26 on: December 28, 2015, 12:54:41 PM »
The idea of reparation is to do something to compensate.  Education would boost ppls access to opportunities, higher earnings, better health, more overall wealth and all other benefits that have been statistically tied to it.  How is that WTF?

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Re: 40 Acres and a Mule
« Reply #27 on: December 28, 2015, 01:07:27 PM »
Obviously, I'm questioning the idea of compensation through the "granting of education", not the merits of education in society in general.

Good grief
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Re: 40 Acres and a Mule
« Reply #28 on: December 28, 2015, 01:08:50 PM »
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Re: 40 Acres and a Mule
« Reply #29 on: December 28, 2015, 01:19:46 PM »
Obviously, I'm questioning the idea of compensation through the "granting of education", not the merits of education in society in general.

Good grief
Obviously you are against reparations in general and aren't interested in discussing hypotheticals.  If that wasn't the case, your post dismissing ed as a method is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) once you turn around and acknowledge their benefits to society.

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Re: 40 Acres and a Mule
« Reply #30 on: December 28, 2015, 01:20:49 PM »
How did we handle reparations for Japanese internment camps?
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Re: 40 Acres and a Mule
« Reply #31 on: December 28, 2015, 01:28:38 PM »
As a group black people have not been very interested in education, maybe we could have several choices of compensation and let each beneficiary decide.
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Re: 40 Acres and a Mule
« Reply #32 on: December 28, 2015, 01:39:42 PM »
How did we handle reparations for Japanese internment camps?

There were only about 100,000 Japanese-Americans that received the $20,000 payment and formal apology. The $20,000 wasn't much for some people who lost businesses. The more interesting thing for me is that Ronald Regan gave a formal apology. The United States has yet to offer a formal apology for slavery, pretty disgusting.

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Re: 40 Acres and a Mule
« Reply #33 on: December 28, 2015, 01:50:56 PM »
Obviously, I'm questioning the idea of compensation through the "granting of education", not the merits of education in society in general.

Good grief
Obviously you are against reparations in general and aren't interested in discussing hypotheticals.  If that wasn't the case, your post dismissing ed as a method is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) once you turn around and acknowledge their benefits to society.

You can't grant education anymore than you can grant intelligence. This isn't world of war craft, and the government can't cast a spell of education upon the alleged aggrieved.

You can grant access to education, but that's not presently restricted. You can give more schlorships, grants, etc., but how does that help the aggrieved uninterested or too old for education?
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Re: 40 Acres and a Mule
« Reply #34 on: December 28, 2015, 01:54:28 PM »
Since it hasn't been done yet, I'll go ahead and issue an apology to the enslaved on behalf od the u.s. government.  Apology issued.

There, one problem solved. Thank god for Ronald Reagan.


Question, have the enslaved issued a formal thank you to the millions of men who died fighting the civil war? That needs to be done pronto. Let's get all these loose ends tied up.
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Re: 40 Acres and a Mule
« Reply #35 on: December 28, 2015, 02:05:01 PM »
I seem to recall that the Japanese sent to Interment campus were American Citizens.

Does anyone know if the Irish slave decedents  who were sold to settlers by the thousands of what was to become the United States have sought reparations?




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Re: 40 Acres and a Mule
« Reply #36 on: December 28, 2015, 02:41:25 PM »
There's nary a person in this country who hasn't been a victim of the government at some point in time, and certainly their ancestors have faced harsher grievances. So many people immigrated to the u.s. due to disparate treatment abroad, came here dirt poor with their property and belonging abandoned back home. Many arguably began in a worse position than the freed man, some better.  None of these people seek reparations. All value the "opportunity" this country affords.

That is why the idea of reparations seems so petty, unjust and unwarranted. The situation is barely unique, save for the specific government causing the harm (which it has subsequently corrected).

There is no end to the damages that the u.s. government would have to pay.  Everyone is born into a unique circumstance, and to generally pay one group of people money for the most common circumstance their designated group is born into is to afford a windfall to some, prejudice to others, insufficient compensation to some, and harm to everyone else. It is absolutely preposterous that intelligent people are willing to entertain such a sloppy and unjust exercise.
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Re: 40 Acres and a Mule
« Reply #37 on: December 28, 2015, 03:12:42 PM »
I seem to recall that the Japanese sent to Interment campus were American Citizens.

Are you suggesting that slaves shouldn't be considered American citizens?

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Re: 40 Acres and a Mule
« Reply #38 on: December 28, 2015, 03:20:14 PM »
I don't think you'll have much luck getting any reparations out of those african tribes.

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Re: 40 Acres and a Mule
« Reply #40 on: May 06, 2021, 08:31:05 PM »
My views on reparations has evolved in the last 6 years, I'm 100% all in on reparations.

That being said, this ain't it :facepalm: white guilt is a disability

https://www.npr.org/2021/05/04/993643759/show-me-the-money

The tl,dr here is a woman in Vermont wrote a letter saying white people, literal individuals needed to give black folks money, and not just a few dollars but "enough for you to feel it" and people actually gave thousands of dollars. WTF?

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Re: 40 Acres and a Mule
« Reply #41 on: May 06, 2021, 08:37:02 PM »
white people are weird.
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Re: 40 Acres and a Mule
« Reply #42 on: June 04, 2021, 05:05:36 PM »
My views on reparations has evolved in the last 6 years, I'm 100% all in on reparations.

That being said, this ain't it :facepalm: white guilt is a disability

https://www.npr.org/2021/05/04/993643759/show-me-the-money

The tl,dr here is a woman in Vermont wrote a letter saying white people, literal individuals needed to give black folks money, and not just a few dollars but "enough for you to feel it" and people actually gave thousands of dollars. WTF?

I've shifted as well to where I'm all for those who lived during jim crow and some period after Civil Rights Act was passed, but doing that is more of acknowledgement of the state saying it failed completely at a fundamental level and also has the ability to try and rectify it at some level with those who lived through it. It's nothing more or less than that.

I still get stuck on issues that propagate through generations re reparations where I get to the point of let's just make this country a generally good place to live (go after child poverty ect rather than try to identify everyone with x lineage).

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Re: 40 Acres and a Mule
« Reply #43 on: June 04, 2021, 09:08:16 PM »


I still get stuck on issues that propagate through generations re reparations where I get to the point of let's just make this country a generally good place to live (go after child poverty ect rather than try to identify everyone with x lineage).

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Re: 40 Acres and a Mule
« Reply #44 on: June 04, 2021, 09:59:42 PM »
Are there even enough mules in this country to give every black person?  I mean, mules can’t even reproduce.


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Re: 40 Acres and a Mule
« Reply #45 on: June 05, 2021, 01:01:24 AM »
There's nary a person in this country who hasn't been a victim of the government at some point in time, and certainly their ancestors have faced harsher grievances. So many people immigrated to the u.s. due to disparate treatment abroad, came here dirt poor with their property and belonging abandoned back home. Many arguably began in a worse position than the freed man, some better.  None of these people seek reparations. All value the "opportunity" this country affords.

That is why the idea of reparations seems so petty, unjust and unwarranted. The situation is barely unique, save for the specific government causing the harm (which it has subsequently corrected).

There is no end to the damages that the u.s. government would have to pay.  Everyone is born into a unique circumstance, and to generally pay one group of people money for the most common circumstance their designated group is born into is to afford a windfall to some, prejudice to others, insufficient compensation to some, and harm to everyone else. It is absolutely preposterous that intelligent people are willing to entertain such a sloppy and unjust exercise.

Counterpoint- My two best friends both personally received 500k each in ppe loans for businesses they own or are partners in that the won’t have to repay.

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Re: 40 Acres and a Mule
« Reply #46 on: June 06, 2021, 12:22:23 PM »
There's nary a person in this country who hasn't been a victim of the government at some point in time, and certainly their ancestors have faced harsher grievances. So many people immigrated to the u.s. due to disparate treatment abroad, came here dirt poor with their property and belonging abandoned back home. Many arguably began in a worse position than the freed man, some better.  None of these people seek reparations. All value the "opportunity" this country affords.

That is why the idea of reparations seems so petty, unjust and unwarranted. The situation is barely unique, save for the specific government causing the harm (which it has subsequently corrected).

There is no end to the damages that the u.s. government would have to pay.  Everyone is born into a unique circumstance, and to generally pay one group of people money for the most common circumstance their designated group is born into is to afford a windfall to some, prejudice to others, insufficient compensation to some, and harm to everyone else. It is absolutely preposterous that intelligent people are willing to entertain such a sloppy and unjust exercise.

Counterpoint- My two best friends both personally received 500k each in ppe loans for businesses they own or are partners in that the won’t have to repay.

Yeah, the argument that government can't cure every government created ill is a really stupid rough ridin' argument. There are literally thousands of examples of the government throwing millions, billions, trillions of dollars at attempting to correct ills, created by them or otherwise. There are countless grants, subsidies, loan programs, even other reparation programs, that have and currently are helping all kinds of people. The argument of who gets reparations is also a poor one, we've been tracking social security numbers for us citizens for 85 years, it's very easy to determine who are descendents of slaves.

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Re: 40 Acres and a Mule
« Reply #47 on: June 06, 2021, 02:57:59 PM »


I still get stuck on issues that propagate through generations re reparations where I get to the point of let's just make this country a generally good place to live (go after child poverty ect rather than try to identify everyone with x lineage).

Do both!

Ideally yea I think that's a strong moral stance to have, deviating from that I think is mainly a political, social, cultural wet blanket on what is possible (also at some level just saying humans are a brutal animals and can we get a mulligan, then most likely we continue to do something similar but hopefully less brutal).