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Re: politics of football (ban that crap)
« Reply #200 on: October 17, 2022, 10:57:23 AM »
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The comments to this one are amazing. "Its just because of the cabin pressure" lol The guy couldn't sit on an airplane for a couple hours due to a medical condition but he sure as crap can put on some pads and throw his body into oncoming traffic 38 times on Sunday!!!

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Re: politics of football (ban that crap)
« Reply #202 on: January 02, 2023, 05:43:44 PM »
Have they fined him yet? If Jamaal Williams gets penalized for some hip thrusts I have to think they’ll come down pretty hard on that crap.


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« Reply #204 on: January 02, 2023, 08:49:44 PM »
Allegedly the two head coaches had to step in to force the suspension. League was going to have them keep playing.
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Re: politics of football (ban that crap)
« Reply #205 on: January 02, 2023, 09:31:41 PM »
Ban it. This is absurd.
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Re: politics of football (ban that crap)
« Reply #207 on: January 05, 2023, 12:25:13 PM »
It would be very easy to go to rugby type helmets, but Americans love violence.

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Re: politics of football (ban that crap)
« Reply #208 on: January 05, 2023, 02:27:04 PM »
It would be very easy to go to rugby type helmets, but Americans love violence.

I’ve long thought that minimal helmets and padding would go a long way to reducing catastrophic injuries in the game. That said, a lot of dudes used to die playing football in the early days.
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Re: politics of football (ban that crap)
« Reply #209 on: January 05, 2023, 02:47:38 PM »
Yeah, I don't think reducing the protection provided by helmets and shoulder pads is the answer.

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Re: politics of football (ban that crap)
« Reply #210 on: January 05, 2023, 07:34:44 PM »
Yeah, I don't think reducing the protection provided by helmets and shoulder pads is the answer.

You ever watch a rugby match? That hit on Monday night, comparatively a beign one, never happens without huge ass helmets.

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Re: politics of football (ban that crap)
« Reply #211 on: January 05, 2023, 08:32:09 PM »
Yeah, I don't think reducing the protection provided by helmets and shoulder pads is the answer.

You ever watch a rugby match? That hit on Monday night, comparatively a beign one, never happens without huge ass helmets.

I wonder what the learning curve is on that though? I mean just seeing some of the routes guys run and the way they can just barely tap their toes in bounds…it’s a reminder how specially trained, well oiled machines these dudes are. Probably really difficult to unlearn technique that’s been drilled into you every day for years

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Re: politics of football (ban that crap)
« Reply #212 on: January 05, 2023, 09:02:49 PM »
I do love some violence
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Re: politics of football (ban that crap)
« Reply #213 on: January 05, 2023, 09:15:14 PM »
Yeah, I don't think reducing the protection provided by helmets and shoulder pads is the answer.

You ever watch a rugby match? That hit on Monday night, comparatively a beign one, never happens without huge ass helmets.
The lack of protection could be -A- factor, but I think the simpler explanation for FB having more violent collisions is: (1) it is played in extremely explosive segments of just a few seconds at a time, and (2) every play you basically set up a pretty decent likelihood of having two players run full speed toward each other for like 20 yards. That scenario just doesn’t even come up that frequently in other sports.

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Re: politics of football (ban that crap)
« Reply #214 on: January 06, 2023, 06:43:40 AM »
Yeah, I don't think reducing the protection provided by helmets and shoulder pads is the answer.

You ever watch a rugby match? That hit on Monday night, comparatively a beign one, never happens without huge ass helmets.
The lack of protection could be -A- factor, but I think the simpler explanation for FB having more violent collisions is: (1) it is played in extremely explosive segments of just a few seconds at a time, and (2) every play you basically set up a pretty decent likelihood of having two players run full speed toward each other for like 20 yards. That scenario just doesn’t even come up that frequently in other sports.

Those scenarios aren't nearly as dangerous in other sports both because of the lack of protection and rules to prevent them. Basketball has a ton of extremely explosive segments but you'll get a foul called for a collision. Soccer has a ton of opportunities to collide from two 20 yard sprints, but they'll get yellow or red cards for dangerous contact. Rugby has similar bursts with less violence because there isn't a helmet that can be used as a weapon.

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Re: politics of football (ban that crap)
« Reply #215 on: January 06, 2023, 07:55:55 AM »
Sounds like football just needs to start calling fouls for contact
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Re: politics of football (ban that crap)
« Reply #216 on: January 06, 2023, 08:34:19 AM »
Yeah, I don't think reducing the protection provided by helmets and shoulder pads is the answer.

You ever watch a rugby match? That hit on Monday night, comparatively a beign one, never happens without huge ass helmets.

I get the arguments, but the game was a lot slower when people were wearing leather helmets, and a lot more people died playing it.

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Re: politics of football (ban that crap)
« Reply #217 on: January 06, 2023, 08:35:55 AM »
Maybe it makes sense to put weighted vests on every player to slow them down.

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Re: politics of football (ban that crap)
« Reply #218 on: January 06, 2023, 09:08:25 AM »
not a football historian but what is the relationship of injuries with respect to the (controversial) legalization of the forward pass?

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Re: politics of football (ban that crap)
« Reply #219 on: January 06, 2023, 09:35:29 AM »
Frankly I have no idea what the incidence of injuries is for rugby, but I think the sport is just fundamentally different in that tackles will usually happen with way less force since a ball carrier running at full speed will almost always get tackled from behind instead of head on.

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Re: politics of football (ban that crap)
« Reply #220 on: January 06, 2023, 10:10:16 AM »
Eliminating the kickoff would be a step in the right direction
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Re: politics of football (ban that crap)
« Reply #221 on: January 06, 2023, 10:14:17 AM »
Eliminating the kickoff would be a step in the right direction

I have been a fairly big fan of Schiano's proposal.
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Re: politics of football (ban that crap)
« Reply #222 on: January 06, 2023, 10:22:11 AM »
Eliminating the kickoff would be a step in the right direction

I have been a fairly big fan of Schiano's proposal.

I like that it makes it possible to get the ball back after scoring, when recent rules have made onside kicks incredibly difficult to recover. Maybe it makes it too easy, though.

I really question whether punts are safer than kicks, though. I don't have any injury data to look at, but kick protection seems a lot more straightforward than a punt, where you have to line up and watch for a fake, then sprint back alongside the guy you are going to try to block. You see punt returners get absolutely lit up if they make a poor decision to not fair catch when they should.

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Re: politics of football (ban that crap)
« Reply #223 on: January 06, 2023, 10:35:07 AM »
Eliminating the kickoff would be a step in the right direction

I have been a fairly big fan of Schiano's proposal.

I like that it makes it possible to get the ball back after scoring, when recent rules have made onside kicks incredibly difficult to recover. Maybe it makes it too easy, though.

I really question whether punts are safer than kicks, though. I don't have any injury data to look at, but kick protection seems a lot more straightforward than a punt, where you have to line up and watch for a fake, then sprint back alongside the guy you are going to try to block. You see punt returners get absolutely lit up if they make a poor decision to not fair catch when they should.

My guess on why punts may be safer is that the ball carrier is rarely moving forward at full speed. You eliminate half of the momentum and force you have on a lot of kickoff collisions even when the returner gets lit up.

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Re: politics of football (ban that crap)
« Reply #224 on: January 06, 2023, 10:43:10 AM »
Eliminating the kickoff would be a step in the right direction

I have been a fairly big fan of Schiano's proposal.

I like that it makes it possible to get the ball back after scoring, when recent rules have made onside kicks incredibly difficult to recover. Maybe it makes it too easy, though.

I really question whether punts are safer than kicks, though. I don't have any injury data to look at, but kick protection seems a lot more straightforward than a punt, where you have to line up and watch for a fake, then sprint back alongside the guy you are going to try to block. You see punt returners get absolutely lit up if they make a poor decision to not fair catch when they should.

My guess on why punts may be safer is that the ball carrier is rarely moving forward at full speed. You eliminate half of the momentum and force you have on a lot of kickoff collisions even when the returner gets lit up.

Yeah, this is right but it's important to remember, as someone who's football career partially ended because of this, most kickoff injuries aren't to the returner. Every player but the kicker in most circumstances are subject to on of those full speed collisions.