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The NFL's own television partners are running ads for the upcoming concussion movie.
Given that football will be extinct in a few decades:
1) Should we just let the Snyder family tree ride it out?
2) What should we do w/BSFS at that point?
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Outdoor hoops? Really play up the 100 Acre Wood thing
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D-rew can really go nut with some water-themed ideas here.
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Play Dibbini ball!
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The NFL's own television partners are running ads for the upcoming concussion movie.
Given that football will be extinct in a few decades:
1) Should we just let the Snyder family tree ride it out?
2) What should we do w/BSFS at that point?
1) nah. Spend the last remaining years throwing stupid money at home run hires. Just seems the most fun.
2) somehow become the most elite college soccer fanbase ever. Watching tucks struggle with the psychological leap to do this has its own entertainment value.
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Quidditch...
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I'm thinking the stadium should be some sort of interactive museum. There'll be really good holograms and robots and crap by the time football's dead, so people could tour the stadium and watch historic plays be recreated right on the field.
Or bulldoze the east and south ends andd see if the new parts can be repurposed as campus buildings. Plus, if gE's still around (lol), we could scoop those renderings.
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We're already seeing flags for ANY sort of hard hit...not just targeting..and it's just a matter of time until ANY contact is a foul..so, we'll just see who can score the most points in 60 minutes. So yeah, football is over.
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Flag football 5 hearts from all over kansas :love:
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Fill with water, collegiate competitive bass fishing.
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Put a roof on it to house all our crop judging/tiny tractor/debate, etc. natty trophies
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Pfffft have you seen the trailer? That movie is going to be awful and the nfl will just lol for the publicity they dgaf
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Reboot/rebrand Barnacle LHOFHCBill's.
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I bet case Keenum can't remember this movie is coming out
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But if it did happen the kimball ave bsfs water park/lazy river is the only way to go.
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IS Will Smith still powerful enough, to ruin the #1 sport in America? To be continued... :Wha:
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IS Will Smith still powerful enough, to ruin the #1 sport in America? To be continued... :Wha:
no but his son might be . He likes batman
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Football is doomed, will smith or not. Not worth it to sketti brains your kids
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Football is doomed, will smith or not. Not worth it to sketti brains your kids
For every level headed parent, there's 3 X more rednecks that can't wait to shove their kid into a football uniform at age 2, to take care of Ma and Pa. This billion $ business is never going away. :th_twocents:
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i imagine the problem will be solved by better helmets
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i imagine the problem will be solved by better helmets
Not unless better means different and different means less protective. Supposedly, the issue is the slight movement of the brain inside the skull. No matter how hard, protective, or whatevs, you make a helmet, you can't prevent what happens to the brain when the physics of it (once the brain is in motion, it tends to stay in motion) is what it is. I mean, you would have to fix the brain to the skull, then package that in a helmet that wouldn't cause damage. That isn't going to happen.
Soccer too. Two or three weeks ago, the national youth association that governs youth soccer told soccer clubs nation wide to stop including headers in all games and practices for kids under the age of 15, or something like that.
The sport needs to make the head less of a weapon. That said, even if they did that, it wouldn't fix the problem. Linemen get the worse of it and they are hardly ever involved in the huge high impact hits. Its the large quantity of small little hits.
The sport is going to be like heavy weight boxing is now at some point in the next generation or two.
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They'll play in those bubble balls before they shut this sport down.
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i imagine the problem will be solved by better helmets
Until then, the target zone will continue to move lower and lower, and knees will be blowing out at an alarming rate. Then there will be a movie about players having issues walking after they retire, probably be called Knees Are Weird, or something similar.
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i imagine the problem will be solved by better helmets
Not unless better means different and different means less protective. Supposedly, the issue is the slight movement of the brain inside the skull. No matter how hard, protective, or whatevs, you make a helmet, you can't prevent what happens to the brain when the physics of it (once the brain is in motion, it tends to stay in motion) is what it is. I mean, you would have to fix the brain to the skull, then package that in a helmet that wouldn't cause damage. That isn't going to happen.
No. Your physics and kinesiology understanding are bad.
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i imagine the problem will be solved by better helmets
There are concussion prevention football helmets (http://www.gridiron-tech.com/) available now as well as football helmet sensors (http://gridiron-tech.com/product/football-helmet-sensors/) that help people know when a hit is too hard on the field and a youngster needs to be checked out.
We can also teach safer ways to tackle with tools like the SafeTackle Tackle Ring (https://gridiron-tech.com/product/safetackle-roll-tackle-ring-40-inch/)
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i imagine the problem will be solved by better helmets
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Do you know of any exact brand that could help with this, Bookie?
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How long have miners been mining, knowing the risk of long term health results? There's a risk/reward in every profession. My back kills me from sitting in this chair daily. When are they going to make my movie? :curse:
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You probably aren't sitting properly
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You probably aren't sitting properly
More bad genes than anything, but still. :shakesfist:
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i imagine the problem will be solved by better helmets
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Do you know of any exact brand that could help with this, Bookie?
Yep... we are launching a new business specifically to address the concussion issue. We did a TON of research before allowing lil BP Jr to play and he wore a Xenith X2E this season as they had yet to release a youth version of the EPIC. He'll be in an EPIC this coming year though.
http://www.xenith.com/pages/xenith-technology
The Xenith helmet that Elijah Lee is wearing is the safest on the market per independent studies that the NFLPA had conducted: http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/photo/2015/08/05/0ap3000000506659.pdf
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i imagine the problem will be solved by better helmets
The sport is going to be like heavy weight boxing is now at some point in the next generation or two.
Boxing is dying because it's model is crap and MMA is way more fun to watch. IMO it has very little to do with the well known effects of boxing on the brain (which at this point is tough to deny exist in football as well).
The biggest threat to football is parents not allowing their kids to participate until college. This would likely lead to an overall decrease in the quality of play, but given the sheer number of kids who currently participate it's hard to imagine the sport noticeably dying off.
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Concussions be damned, I'd be wearing a schutt air xp. They look the coolest, IMHO.
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i imagine the problem will be solved by better helmets
Not unless better means different and different means less protective. Supposedly, the issue is the slight movement of the brain inside the skull. No matter how hard, protective, or whatevs, you make a helmet, you can't prevent what happens to the brain when the physics of it (once the brain is in motion, it tends to stay in motion) is what it is. I mean, you would have to fix the brain to the skull, then package that in a helmet that wouldn't cause damage. That isn't going to happen.
No. Your physics and kinesiology understanding are bad.
Well, that sucks because the above described is paraphrasing of more than a couple doctor interviews I have heard in the last 2 yrs or so.
I mean, if you have an organ surrounded mostly by liquid inside an enclosure, then take that enclosure and speed it up a bunch and make it come to a sudden hard stop, the organ in the liquid is going to keep moving in that liquid until it hits the inside of the enclosure.
Tell me why that is wrong using physics and kinesiology.
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Concussions be damned, I'd be wearing a schutt air xp. They look the coolest, IMHO.
Funny you mention this... I have been tracking all the concussions in the NFL this fall via http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/concussion-watch/#players_2015 and then charting what headgear was involved in each injury via a google spreadsheet.
The Schutt Air XP is far and away the most dangerous helmet on the field. So far, 43% of all TBIs this season have occurred while wearing this exact headgear.
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Concussions be damned, I'd be wearing a schutt air xp. They look the coolest, IMHO.
Funny you mention this... I have been tracking all the concussions in the NFL this fall via http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/concussion-watch/#players_2015 and then charting what headgear was involved in each injury via a google spreadsheet.
The Schutt Air XP is far and away the most dangerous helmet on the field. So far, 43% of all TBIs this season have occurred while wearing this exact headgear.
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I would imagine there are some other important variables to consider, such as position.
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i imagine the problem will be solved by better helmets
Not unless better means different and different means less protective. Supposedly, the issue is the slight movement of the brain inside the skull. No matter how hard, protective, or whatevs, you make a helmet, you can't prevent what happens to the brain when the physics of it (once the brain is in motion, it tends to stay in motion) is what it is. I mean, you would have to fix the brain to the skull, then package that in a helmet that wouldn't cause damage. That isn't going to happen.
No. Your physics and kinesiology understanding are bad.
Sorry but CNS is (mostly) dead on (slightly off on brain motion).
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/league-of-denial/
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Concussions be damned, I'd be wearing a schutt air xp. They look the coolest, IMHO.
Funny you mention this... I have been tracking all the concussions in the NFL this fall via http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/concussion-watch/#players_2015 and then charting what headgear was involved in each injury via a google spreadsheet.
The Schutt Air XP is far and away the most dangerous helmet on the field. So far, 43% of all TBIs this season have occurred while wearing this exact headgear.
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I would imagine there are some other important variables to consider, such as position.
I'm tracking position as well... the kids on the edges (Corners, Safties, Receivers) have far and away the greatest instance of concussion. With that said, and understanding its still a very small sample size, the Air XP is a death trap in comparison to the rest of the helmets being used.
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well bookiepimp, your information obviously begs the following question: how many NFL players wear the schutt air? is it disproportionately worn by more concussed players?
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Concussions are obviously horrible, but do you even need them to get skettibrained? I mean, aren't they finding CTE in players who haven't been diagnosed with a large amt of concussions? I know the thought would be that they had some that weren't diagnosed, but that seems like conjecture given how little is known about both concussions and CTE at this point.
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i imagine the problem will be solved by better helmets
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Do you know of any exact brand that could help with this, Bookie?
Yep... we are launching a new business specifically to address the concussion issue. We did a TON of research before allowing lil BP Jr to play and he wore a Xenith X2E this season as they had yet to release a youth version of the EPIC. He'll be in an EPIC this coming year though.
http://www.xenith.com/pages/xenith-technology
The Xenith helmet that Elijah Lee is wearing is the safest on the market per independent studies that the NFLPA had conducted: http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/photo/2015/08/05/0ap3000000506659.pdf
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The graph is kind of hard to follow because I just don't know what "head impact severity" is. It shows which helmets are better than others, but based upon the sizes of the bars, the best helmets still don't look all that safe.
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And have there been large scale CTE studies for the general public? Are there other factors (diet, drug use, etc.) that could contribute to the disease?
Obviously there is something there with CTE and football, it's hard to deny that, but there could be other factors that contribute. I'm not sure how thoroughly that has been studied. Also, the increasing speed and size of players may make the technology of helmets less effective.
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i imagine the problem will be solved by better helmets
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Do you know of any exact brand that could help with this, Bookie?
Yep... we are launching a new business specifically to address the concussion issue. We did a TON of research before allowing lil BP Jr to play and he wore a Xenith X2E this season as they had yet to release a youth version of the EPIC. He'll be in an EPIC this coming year though.
http://www.xenith.com/pages/xenith-technology
The Xenith helmet that Elijah Lee is wearing is the safest on the market per independent studies that the NFLPA had conducted: http://static.nfl.com/static/content/public/photo/2015/08/05/0ap3000000506659.pdf
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The graph is kind of hard to follow because I just don't know what "head impact severity" is. It shows which helmets are better than others, but based upon the sizes of the bars, the best helmets still don't look all that safe.
The difference between first and last is one unit of skettiness.
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The difference between first and last is one unit of skettiness.
Yeah, but that would still leave the first one with about 8 units of skettiness total. The graph would be a lot more meaningful if it included a cutoff impact level where concussions are likely to occur or something.
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A concussion (singular) isn't the biggest issue (it's still a concern though), multiple, repeated head traumas over many years is the big issue. 5-10 year old kids with little kinesthetic awareness running around and smashing into each other is not a good idea for the long term.
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And have there been large scale CTE studies for the general public? Are there other factors (diet, drug use, etc.) that could contribute to the disease?
Obviously there is something there with CTE and football, it's hard to deny that, but there could be other factors that contribute. I'm not sure how thoroughly that has been studied. Also, the increasing speed and size of players may make the technology of helmets less effective.
Genetics too, like many diseases, could be a huge contributor. The brain is the next medical frontier and I would imagine that we will be learning a lot about this in rapid fashion.
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i imagine the problem will be solved by better helmets
Not unless better means different and different means less protective. Supposedly, the issue is the slight movement of the brain inside the skull. No matter how hard, protective, or whatevs, you make a helmet, you can't prevent what happens to the brain when the physics of it (once the brain is in motion, it tends to stay in motion) is what it is. I mean, you would have to fix the brain to the skull, then package that in a helmet that wouldn't cause damage. That isn't going to happen.
No. Your physics and kinesiology understanding are bad.
Well, that sucks because the above described is paraphrasing of more than a couple doctor interviews I have heard in the last 2 yrs or so.
I mean, if you have an organ surrounded mostly by liquid inside an enclosure, then take that enclosure and speed it up a bunch and make it come to a sudden hard stop, the organ in the liquid is going to keep moving in that liquid until it hits the inside of the enclosure.
Tell me why that is wrong using physics and kinesiology.
Momentum can be reduced through engineering/design (the energy transfer can be performed by objects other than the human body). You can 'absorb' the impact and reduce the acceleration of the skull/brain. It's not the sudden stop, it's the sudden start. Generally, the issue is the brain impacting the skull. But your inclination that it can't be reduced or eliminated is naive and a bit alarmist.
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For some reason* I find it hilarious this helmet isn't at the bottom of the list. (Riddell VSR4)
*not all players wearing that facemask, obvi, but still, lol.
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well bookiepimp, your information obviously begs the following question: how many NFL players wear the schutt air? is it disproportionately worn by more concussed players?
Although I, nor @HelmetStalker or @HelmetDetective, have yet to create a document that has a list of exactly what headgear every player in the league is wearing; I can tell you anecdotally from watching games that the most worn helmet currently is the Riddell Revo Speed.
Further, per market stats, Riddell and Schutt both have about 40-45% mkt share of NFL helmets and Xenith has about 10% with Rawlings on about 5% of the athletes. Rawlings also has a high incidence of concussion for what few are using them.
I can say with some certainty that their is some correlation so far to the likelihood of being concussed in an Air XP is greater than the other helmets, though.
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I never understood the bitching about concussions. Yes, they're dangerous to long-term health, but every player takes that chance when they sign up to play football and make a career of it. The athletes are not forced to play football, they choose to do it.
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I never understood the bitching about concussions. Yes, they're dangerous to long-term health, but every player takes that chance when they sign up to play football and make a career of it. The athletes are not forced to play football, they choose to do it.
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Most of the athletes choosing to do it aren't adults, though.
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I don't know if you followed the 49ers in the off season, but a lot of adults decided to walk away after making that cash!
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i imagine the problem will be solved by better helmets
Not unless better means different and different means less protective. Supposedly, the issue is the slight movement of the brain inside the skull. No matter how hard, protective, or whatevs, you make a helmet, you can't prevent what happens to the brain when the physics of it (once the brain is in motion, it tends to stay in motion) is what it is. I mean, you would have to fix the brain to the skull, then package that in a helmet that wouldn't cause damage. That isn't going to happen.
No. Your physics and kinesiology understanding are bad.
Well, that sucks because the above described is paraphrasing of more than a couple doctor interviews I have heard in the last 2 yrs or so.
I mean, if you have an organ surrounded mostly by liquid inside an enclosure, then take that enclosure and speed it up a bunch and make it come to a sudden hard stop, the organ in the liquid is going to keep moving in that liquid until it hits the inside of the enclosure.
Tell me why that is wrong using physics and kinesiology.
Momentum can be reduced through engineering/design (the energy transfer can be performed by objects other than the human body). You can 'absorb' the impact and reduce the acceleration of the skull/brain. It's not the sudden stop, it's the sudden start. Generally, the issue is the brain impacting the skull. But your inclination that it can't be reduced or eliminated is naive and a bit alarmist.
I am not a doctor, but I don't get why the sudden stop isn't an issue. What is the top speed of an NFL corner back? Whatever it is, when they reach that speed, their brain is traveling at that speed. When their head suddenly stops, how do you transfer/absorb impact enough over a distance of millimeters(?) to stop their brain from slamming into the inside of the skull? Such a method would have to be inside the skull to work fully. It's like you in your car. When you car smashes into someone, you go forward into your airbag/windshield/seatbelt/etc and can get hurt by impacting those things. If we could design enough impact absorption over such a small space as the distance from the outside of a helmet to the outside surface of the brain, why have we not implemented such things in the much larger distance btwn driver and windshield?
Unless you mean, the sudden start of the brain to move forward after the rest of the body has stopped? Am I not interpreting what you are saying?
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I never understood the bitching about concussions. Yes, they're dangerous to long-term health, but every player takes that chance when they sign up to play football and make a career of it. The athletes are not forced to play football, they choose to do it.
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I know plenty of ppl that have 5, 6, and 7 yr olds playing contact football. If you do so, never perceive any personal harm, then get offered some mills to go play pro at 21y/o, have you made an informed choice?
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What's the % of football players that end up with concussions? Like life altering, concussions? If my 7 year old wants to be active and play football, he can go for it. He'll learn a hell of a lot more about playing with a team, when it comes to the game of life vs playing video games and chasing puppies.
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i imagine the problem will be solved by better helmets
The sport is going to be like heavy weight boxing is now at some point in the next generation or two.
Boxing is dying
Deathbed
http://www.forbes.com/sites/kurtbadenhausen/2015/05/12/floyd-mayweather-paycheck-should-top-200-million-with-blockbuster-ppv-buys/
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K-State should be a founding father of new rule changes for #family #smalltownvalues that mimic 8-man football rules. Cut the field in half both ways and boom, less 'sgetti brains.
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Football is doomed, will smith or not. Not worth it to sketti brains your kids
For every level headed parent, there's 3 X more rednecks that can't wait to shove their kid into a football uniform at age 2, to take care of Ma and Pa. This billion $ business is never going away. :th_twocents:
I love this post
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What's the % of football players that end up with concussions? Like life altering, concussions? If my 7 year old wants to be active and play football, he can go for it. He'll learn a hell of a lot more about playing with a team, when it comes to the game of life vs playing video games and chasing puppies.
Why do 7 year olds need to be playing tackle football though? Flag football would teach the same values and most of the same basic skills that they should be learning at that stage anyway. All without smashing into each other repeatedly when they're still trying to learn how to move properly.
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What's the % of football players that end up with concussions? Like life altering, concussions? If my 7 year old wants to be active and play football, he can go for it. He'll learn a hell of a lot more about playing with a team, when it comes to the game of life vs playing video games and chasing puppies.
Why do 7 year olds need to be playing tackle football though? Flag football would teach the same values and most of the same basic skills that they should be learning at that stage anyway. All without smashing into each other repeatedly when they're still trying to learn how to move properly.
Oh, that's fine too. They don't need to play tackle. I did flag football all the way up till 5th or 6th grade (can't remember)? It was depressing tho. I was way better at flag football, because I didn't like the contact.
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Can't we just solve this with waivers, such as those that are used at the bounce house kids party places?
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I never understood the bitching about concussions. Yes, they're dangerous to long-term health, but every player takes that chance when they sign up to play football and make a career of it. The athletes are not forced to play football, they choose to do it.
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I generally agree that when someone knowingly takes the risk to do something, they can't complain about the consequences. It becomes a problem, though, when the NFL or other organizations actively suppress research findings re. the risk of playing football.
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I am not a doctor, but I don't get why the sudden stop isn't an issue. What is the top speed of an NFL corner back? Whatever it is, when they reach that speed, their brain is traveling at that speed. When their head suddenly stops, how do you transfer/absorb impact enough over a distance of millimeters(?) to stop their brain from slamming into the inside of the skull? Such a method would have to be inside the skull to work fully. It's like you in your car. When you car smashes into someone, you go forward into your airbag/windshield/seatbelt/etc and can get hurt by impacting those things. If we could design enough impact absorption over such a small space as the distance from the outside of a helmet to the outside surface of the brain, why have we not implemented such things in the much larger distance btwn driver and windshield?
Unless you mean, the sudden start of the brain to move forward after the rest of the body has stopped? Am I not interpreting what you are saying?
Generally speaking, the deceleration and forces created by such are less than those of the acceleration caused by impact. In general, the helmet is round. there are no brick walls on a football field. The helmet is accelerated in a direction on impact. It's somewhat semantics, but you're not far off.
As far as Automobiles, air bags are highly sophisticated and save countless lives every day. I hope you're not implying that technology is sub-par. Further, drivers would refuse to wear any apparatus, as shown by our less than stellar track record with seat belts. Automotive engineers are limited to the vehicle, and cannot do much of anything with the occupant.
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What's the % of football players that end up with concussions? Like life altering, concussions? If my 7 year old wants to be active and play football, he can go for it. He'll learn a hell of a lot more about playing with a team, when it comes to the game of life vs playing video games and chasing puppies.
Why do 7 year olds need to be playing tackle football though? Flag football would teach the same values and most of the same basic skills that they should be learning at that stage anyway. All without smashing into each other repeatedly when they're still trying to learn how to move properly.
Game of preference for those who want to play...
There are youth sports opportunities for virtually EVERY sport starting at about age 5. Up north, they have kids on skates playing hockey shortly after they learn to walk and I'm sure damn near every kid in Kansas at least has a place to play soccer and/or hoops at age 5.
The incidents of concussion in those sports is as high or higher depending on whose stats you believe. FWIW, I'm of the belief that taking all the "protective gear" off of kids under age 10 would make tackle football a safer game.
Which of you didn't play "pickup games" of tackle football at that age? There's really no need for helmets, shoulder pads, etc. for kids that young. :th_twocents:
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The NFL's own television partners are running ads for the upcoming concussion movie.
Given that football will be extinct in a few decades:
1) Should we just let the Snyder family tree ride it out?
2) What should we do w/BSFS at that point?
1) nah. Spend the last remaining years throwing stupid money at home run hires. Just seems the most fun.
2) somehow become the most elite college soccer fanbase ever. Watching tucks struggle with the psychological leap to do this has its own entertainment value.
Doesn't soccer have nearly as many head injuries as football? Also, that Concussion movie looks like hot garbage.
I think our biggest fear remains conference reallignment - not death of the sport.
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The NFL's own television partners are running ads for the upcoming concussion movie.
Given that football will be extinct in a few decades:
1) Should we just let the Snyder family tree ride it out?
2) What should we do w/BSFS at that point?
1) nah. Spend the last remaining years throwing stupid money at home run hires. Just seems the most fun.
2) somehow become the most elite college soccer fanbase ever. Watching tucks struggle with the psychological leap to do this has its own entertainment value.
Doesn't soccer have nearly as many head injuries as football? Also, that Concussion movie looks like hot garbage.
I think our biggest fear remains conference reallignment - not death of the sport.
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K-State should be a founding father of new rule changes for #family #smalltownvalues that mimic 8-man football rules. Cut the field in half both ways and boom, less 'sgetti brains.
Two Things:
1). Having watched a ton of 8-man and 11-man football in my lifetime, my experience is that 8-man is far more of a "speed" game and there are some massive hits that go down with far more frequency. I have seen far worse injuries, on average, in 8-man games that 11-man games. May be my personal experience, but I do not believe my observations are unique.
2). There are ongoing questions about the validity of some of the CTE data and studies. In addition, the media hype around it has made for some pretty wild claims that others in the media run with to attract page views and viewers. In addition, many of the studies are tied to researchers who may have an agenda. I know Breitbart may not be a favorite of some here, but their sports site has a writer, Daniel Flynn, that has been a bit more aggressive in trying to look at the "evidence" out there, and some of the unsubstantiated claims.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/03/21/ny-times-articles-on-cte-outnumber-documented-cases-of-cte/ (http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/03/21/ny-times-articles-on-cte-outnumber-documented-cases-of-cte/)
If you do a search for "CTE" on the site, there are many more articles that may be worth perusing.
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K-State should be a founding father of new rule changes for #family #smalltownvalues that mimic 8-man football rules. Cut the field in half both ways and boom, less 'sgetti brains.
Two Things:
1). Having watched a ton of 8-man and 11-man football in my lifetime, my experience is that 8-man is far more of a "speed" game and there are some massive hits that go down with far more frequency. I have seen far worse injuries, on average, in 8-man games that 11-man games. May be my personal experience, but I do not believe my observations are unique.
2). There are ongoing questions about the validity of some of the CTE data and studies. In addition, the media hype around it has made for some pretty wild claims that others in the media run with to attract page views and viewers. In addition, many of the studies are tied to researchers who may have an agenda. I know Breitbart may not be a favorite of some here, but their sports site has a writer, Daniel Flynn, that has been a bit more aggressive in trying to look at the "evidence" out there, and some of the unsubstantiated claims.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/03/21/ny-times-articles-on-cte-outnumber-documented-cases-of-cte/ (http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism/2015/03/21/ny-times-articles-on-cte-outnumber-documented-cases-of-cte/)
If you do a search for "CTE" on the site, there are many more articles that may be worth perusing.
I'm proposing 22 men on a field smaller than the traditional 8-man field. 4.3 40 speed? PFFFFFFFF More like 2.5 15.87 speed.
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I don't think the quality of the movie matters. I won't watch it because Will Smith. But it's pretty wild to me that commercials for a movie that - via #acting now - characterize the NFL commissioner as a POS are airing during NFL games.
http://www.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/11/29/nfl-airs-concussion-film-promo.cnn
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Wouldn't you want to play on a bigger field to reduce concussions?
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Luke Wilson looks nothing like Roger Goodell. The casting director should've been fired for that.
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is football participation down yet in junior high/high school?
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Luke Wilson looks nothing like Roger Goodell. The casting director should've been fired for that.
No crap... If they were insistent on using one of the Wilson bros, it would've been funnier to just use Owen.
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Luke Wilson looks nothing like Roger Goodell. The casting director should've been fired for that.
None of the people we know in that movie come close to resembling the people they play which leads me to believe that they aren't necessary looking for the hardcore football fan. Will Smith as Bennet Omalu visually :lol:
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Luke Wilson looks nothing like Roger Goodell. The casting director should've been fired for that.
None of the people we know in that movie come close to resembling the people they play which leads me to believe that they aren't necessary looking for the hardcore football fan. Will Smith as Bennet Omalu visually :lol:
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can you imagine if they would have used Eddie Murphy instead of Will Smith!
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can you imagine if they would have used Eddie Murphy instead of Will Smith!
Would watch eventually.
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What's the % of football players that end up with concussions? Like life altering, concussions? If my 7 year old wants to be active and play football, he can go for it. He'll learn a hell of a lot more about playing with a team, when it comes to the game of life vs playing video games and chasing puppies.
That, and boning lady friends
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is football participation down yet in junior high/high school?
My experience says yes. I'm pretty sure the stats do too.
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is football participation down yet in junior high/high school?
My experience says yes. I'm pretty sure the stats do too.
It's down about 8% at the "youth level" which typically includes youngsters up to 8th grade. HS participation has been pretty stable nationwide.
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The NFL's own television partners are running ads for the upcoming concussion movie.
Given that football will be extinct in a few decades:
1) Should we just let the Snyder family tree ride it out?
2) What should we do w/BSFS at that point?
Turn it into the official yard orgy spot of Fake St. Patrick's Day.
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The NFL's own television partners are running ads for the upcoming concussion movie.
Given that football will be extinct in a few decades:
1) Should we just let the Snyder family tree ride it out?
2) What should we do w/BSFS at that point?
Turn it into the official yard orgy spot of Fake St. Patrick's Day.
Nice. Now just need another 5-6 special events and we're good.
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Goo Goo Dolls concert
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Meh, I think this is a non-issue for non NFL players.
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Stadium should be given to NBAF and made into a huge aquarium for their mutant fish.
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You think FOX spent millions on those robot promos because they add to the viewers' enjoyment? They are preparing us for robot football.
We should be pretty competitive with the nuclear reactor and what not.
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Robotics team is bitb.
Gonna win 'em all!
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What is the life of the fixed assets in the stadium?
I wouldn't worry about that. I expect the government to announce special bonus depreciation on football improvements (thanks Trump).
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Robot football actually sounds pretty fantastic.
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Is bull fighting legal in Kansas?
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Robot football actually sounds pretty fantastic.
Still recruit individuals to control each player. Sidelines would be a bunch of recliners and the stadium sponsor would be Mt Dew.
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Harley Day becomes Nitro or Ranger boat day?
Tom
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Paint ball?
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American Gladiators
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is football participation down yet in junior high/high school?
My experience says yes. I'm pretty sure the stats do too.
it can't be played virtually through their smartphones, so participation is down. imagine, for a moment, if they let you take a selfie and post it after every important play. popularity would skyrocket.
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is football participation down yet in junior high/high school?
My experience says yes. I'm pretty sure the stats do too.
it can't be played virtually through their smartphones, so participation is down. imagine, for a moment, if they let you take a selfie and post it after every important play. popularity would skyrocket.
Kids these days. Too much focus on developing marketable technology skills and too little on playing games that their disgruntled, disenfranchised, under skilled elders value (which also risk their health).
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is football participation down yet in junior high/high school?
My experience says yes. I'm pretty sure the stats do too.
it can't be played virtually through their smartphones, so participation is down. imagine, for a moment, if they let you take a selfie and post it after every important play. popularity would skyrocket.
Kids these days. Too much focus on developing marketable technology skills and too little on playing games that their disgruntled, disenfranchised, under skilled elders value (which also risk their health).
man, what a time to be alive
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Serious youth sports for really young kids is about the dumbest thing ever invented.
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As far as head trauma in football is concerned I'm with CNS. There really isn't a whole lot a helmet can do.
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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/league-of-denial/
I think the movie is mostly a luke of a pbs frontline story done back in 2013. If you have a couple of hours it's a good watch. Mike Webster was my idol (I played center in high school) so that part of the program is sad to see how his life ended. The doctor Will Smith portrays is interviewed extensively in this piece.
My last 3-4 years of youth coaching every player was baseline tested. We were required to report any suspected head trauma (practice/games) and kids had to retake the test and be cleared to return to contact. Awareness and attending clinics totally changed my approach to contact, etc. When I started coaching I was very 'old school' about hitting every practice. By the time I was done we only hit maybe 1-2 times during the week with the balance of practice focused on form tackling or technique. Seldom did I see youth players concussed by mario smith type hits. It was usually heads hitting the ground after losing their balance or secondary blows in scrums. I would not have a problem with not starting tackle until maybe eighth grade or high school. Flag football can still have a physical element to it, and technique can taught and reinforced that de emphasizes the use of the head.
My last year in FCCJC I think we had 110-120 teams 3rd-8th grade. I just looked at last falls standings and there were less than 90 teams. Now there are competing youth leagues, and economy is having some impact. However, I do think the concern over concussions and alternatives (soccer, lacrosse) are drawing kids away from football.
One of the best known kc area high school coaches told us at a clinic he limited live contact each week to 1 tackling drill and 1 live scrimmage. I have read where some college coaches do the same. Even aware of one who live tackle without helmets to reinforce removing the head from the tackling process. I think coaches at the amateur level are very aware of the concern/risk and are adjusting accordingly.
I have a son who is now playing college football. He has been concussed twice, once in youth ball (my tackling drill), once in high school (half speed blocking drill). FWIW, he is 6'5-300 so he wasn't a small kid getting trucked by someone in beast mode. I do think about this and whether or not he will suffer any effects later in life.
http://www.amazon.com/death-American-game-crisis-football/dp/0316887358/ref=la_B001ITX9YQ_1_7?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1449031213&sr=1-7
The Death of an American Game was printed in 1979. My mom bought me that book to try and discourage me from playing. IIRC this book argued the equipment was poor and safety rules not sufficient given the number of players being paralyzed or suffering severe joint (knee) injuries along with concussions. The issue has been around in some form for a long time if not as well publicized as it is now.
Tom
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/03/sports/ncaafootball/ryan-hoffman-north-carolina-tar-heel-dead.html?vh=a43b3e553a5e094cbfe9231bee8b1eaae7d428f3&ts=1449074266&_r=0
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2) What should we do w/BSFS at that point?
Pro-rugby franchise
http://usarugby.org/club-news/item/pro-rugby
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Not that I don't think that football won't be seriously impacted, it will. But I believe the game is on a slow but getting faster path to addressing many of these issues. I think the biggest thing is getting the remaining A-Hole coaches out of the game that players are afraid to admit that they're hurt to, and getting rules in the NFL for the lower tier players that protects their roster spots so they're not afraid to admit that they're hurt.
Hopefully helmet technology continues to evolve.
The barbaric way football used to treat head injuries is sadly coming home to roost, some of that was lack of understanding, but much of that was idiocy.
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Sitting guys out after a concussion is nice, but does little to prevent or heal them. It's probably better now than it was 10 years ago. The real problem is CTE. I think the only way to address that is to come up with magnetic helmets so player's heads don't crash into each other hundreds of times a game. Padding on the outside of the helmet would help in the meantime, but the NFL doesn't want the sound of the game to change, so they are in denial that there is a problem.
I still love watching the sport, but I feel a lot more guilty about it since hearing an interview with Steve Almond before last season. I wish I was still in denial too like Roger Goodell. http://www.npr.org/sections/monkeysee/2014/09/24/351181812/making-the-case-against-football (http://www.npr.org/sections/monkeysee/2014/09/24/351181812/making-the-case-against-football)
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http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/03/sports/ncaafootball/ryan-hoffman-north-carolina-tar-heel-dead.html?vh=a43b3e553a5e094cbfe9231bee8b1eaae7d428f3&ts=1449074266&_r=0
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Sitting guys out after a concussion is nice, but does little to prevent or heal them. It's probably better now than it was 10 years ago. The real problem is CTE. I think the only way to address that is to come up with magnetic helmets so player's heads don't crash into each other hundreds of times a game. Padding on the outside of the helmet would help in the meantime, but the NFL doesn't want the sound of the game to change, so they are in denial that there is a problem.
I still love watching the sport, but I feel a lot more guilty about it since hearing an interview with Steve Almond before last season. I wish I was still in denial too like Roger Goodell. http://www.npr.org/sections/monkeysee/2014/09/24/351181812/making-the-case-against-football (http://www.npr.org/sections/monkeysee/2014/09/24/351181812/making-the-case-against-football)
Magnetic helmets would be a great idea, really.
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Sitting guys out after a concussion is nice, but does little to prevent or heal them. It's probably better now than it was 10 years ago. The real problem is CTE. I think the only way to address that is to come up with magnetic helmets so player's heads don't crash into each other hundreds of times a game. Padding on the outside of the helmet would help in the meantime, but the NFL doesn't want the sound of the game to change, so they are in denial that there is a problem.
I still love watching the sport, but I feel a lot more guilty about it since hearing an interview with Steve Almond before last season. I wish I was still in denial too like Roger Goodell. http://www.npr.org/sections/monkeysee/2014/09/24/351181812/making-the-case-against-football (http://www.npr.org/sections/monkeysee/2014/09/24/351181812/making-the-case-against-football)
Magnetic helmets would be a great idea, really.
I would imagine having your head inside a magnetized enclosure, for as long as most FB players wear their helmets, would have other, possibly major, issues. Especially ones magnetized strong enough to repel each other during a high velocity impact.
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Sitting guys out after a concussion is nice, but does little to prevent or heal them. It's probably better now than it was 10 years ago. The real problem is CTE. I think the only way to address that is to come up with magnetic helmets so player's heads don't crash into each other hundreds of times a game. Padding on the outside of the helmet would help in the meantime, but the NFL doesn't want the sound of the game to change, so they are in denial that there is a problem.
I still love watching the sport, but I feel a lot more guilty about it since hearing an interview with Steve Almond before last season. I wish I was still in denial too like Roger Goodell. http://www.npr.org/sections/monkeysee/2014/09/24/351181812/making-the-case-against-football (http://www.npr.org/sections/monkeysee/2014/09/24/351181812/making-the-case-against-football)
Magnetic helmets would be a great idea, really.
I would imagine having your head inside a magnetized enclosure, for as long as most FB players wear their helmets, would have other, possibly major, issues. Especially ones magnetized strong enough to repel each other during a high velocity impact.
Maybe. It should be possible to direct the magnetic field around the outside of the helmet, though.
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Sitting guys out after a concussion is nice, but does little to prevent or heal them. It's probably better now than it was 10 years ago. The real problem is CTE. I think the only way to address that is to come up with magnetic helmets so player's heads don't crash into each other hundreds of times a game. Padding on the outside of the helmet would help in the meantime, but the NFL doesn't want the sound of the game to change, so they are in denial that there is a problem.
I still love watching the sport, but I feel a lot more guilty about it since hearing an interview with Steve Almond before last season. I wish I was still in denial too like Roger Goodell. http://www.npr.org/sections/monkeysee/2014/09/24/351181812/making-the-case-against-football (http://www.npr.org/sections/monkeysee/2014/09/24/351181812/making-the-case-against-football)
Magnetic helmets would be a great idea, really.
I would imagine having your head inside a magnetized enclosure, for as long as most FB players wear their helmets, would have other, possibly major, issues. Especially ones magnetized strong enough to repel each other during a high velocity impact.
Maybe. It should be possible to direct the magnetic field around the outside of the helmet, though.
Magnets, how do they work? LOLZ
The added weight of a magnet large enough to repel another magnet when slammed into each other would make them dangerous when striking any other part of the body, and the cost associated with all that rare-earth magnet material would make them prohibitively expensive (and probably run the world out of rare earth magnets, if you think about how many they'd need)
Also, wearing a high powered magnet on your head, all day, every day would have zero affect on your health.
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Please go on...
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/magnets-helmets-might-make-football-safer (https://www.sciencenews.org/article/magnets-helmets-might-make-football-safer)
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Please go on...
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/magnets-helmets-might-make-football-safer (https://www.sciencenews.org/article/magnets-helmets-might-make-football-safer)
very interesting... Thank you!!!
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i still think robots beats out magno helmets.
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Please go on...
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/magnets-helmets-might-make-football-safer (https://www.sciencenews.org/article/magnets-helmets-might-make-football-safer)
Haha, that article just body bagged gE's resident magnet expert
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Please go on...
https://www.sciencenews.org/article/magnets-helmets-might-make-football-safer (https://www.sciencenews.org/article/magnets-helmets-might-make-football-safer)
The idea hasn’t been tested yet in helmets with real players, said Judy Cameron, a neuroscientist at the University of Pittsburgh.
Nothing in that article refuted anything i said. The helmets would be heavier and more expensive, just like i said.
Good job learning how to use google, though.
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Magnets, how do they work? LOLZ
"The magnets, he says, would put a brake on the impact before it happens."
The added weight of a magnet large enough to repel another magnet when slammed into each other would make them dangerous when striking any other part of the body...
"They are the most powerful commercially available magnets and weigh about one-third of a pound each (football helmets weigh from 3.5 to 5.5 pounds)."
So in other words, three magnets weigh less than the difference in weight between helmet manufacturers.
and the cost associated with all that rare-earth magnet material would make them prohibitively expensive (and probably run the world out of rare earth magnets, if you think about how many they'd need)
"Colello speculates that adding magnets to a helmet would raise the price by $50 to $100. (Professional helmets today can cost several hundred dollars.)"
Or, the opposite of prohibitive, in simple terms.
Also, wearing a high powered magnet on your head, all day, every day would have zero affect on your health.
"Another safety concern is whether the magnets are dangerous to have near human heads. Colello says that a 30 minute- to one-hour MRI procedure produces magnetic fields 10 to 30 times as strong as those in helmet magnets."
Literally all of your statements were refuted.
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Magnets, how do they work? LOLZ
"The magnets, he says, would put a brake on the impact before it happens."
The added weight of a magnet large enough to repel another magnet when slammed into each other would make them dangerous when striking any other part of the body...
"They are the most powerful commercially available magnets and weigh about one-third of a pound each (football helmets weigh from 3.5 to 5.5 pounds)."
So in other words, three magnets weigh less than the difference in weight between helmet manufacturers.
and the cost associated with all that rare-earth magnet material would make them prohibitively expensive (and probably run the world out of rare earth magnets, if you think about how many they'd need)
"Colello speculates that adding magnets to a helmet would raise the price by $50 to $100. (Professional helmets today can cost several hundred dollars.)"
Or, the opposite of prohibitive, in simple terms.
Also, wearing a high powered magnet on your head, all day, every day would have zero affect on your health.
"Another safety concern is whether the magnets are dangerous to have near human heads. Colello says that a 30 minute- to one-hour MRI procedure produces magnetic fields 10 to 30 times as strong as those in helmet magnets."
Literally all of your statements were refuted.
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And do we think that being in an MRI machine for, say, 15 hours a week, 25 weeks a year would do good things?
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so if a player had a magnetic helmet, was running full speed and launched head first at another player's helmet, would the magnetic force whip that player's head back and give them whiplash or a broken neck or something?
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I don't think it'll ever work well enough to be a product. But it's an interesting experiment. Dismissing things off hand is never a good way to make progress.
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Magnets, how do they work? LOLZ
"The magnets, he says, would put a brake on the impact before it happens."
The added weight of a magnet large enough to repel another magnet when slammed into each other would make them dangerous when striking any other part of the body...
"They are the most powerful commercially available magnets and weigh about one-third of a pound each (football helmets weigh from 3.5 to 5.5 pounds)."
So in other words, three magnets weigh less than the difference in weight between helmet manufacturers.
and the cost associated with all that rare-earth magnet material would make them prohibitively expensive (and probably run the world out of rare earth magnets, if you think about how many they'd need)
"Colello speculates that adding magnets to a helmet would raise the price by $50 to $100. (Professional helmets today can cost several hundred dollars.)"
Or, the opposite of prohibitive, in simple terms.
Also, wearing a high powered magnet on your head, all day, every day would have zero affect on your health.
"Another safety concern is whether the magnets are dangerous to have near human heads. Colello says that a 30 minute- to one-hour MRI procedure produces magnetic fields 10 to 30 times as strong as those in helmet magnets."
Literally all of your statements were refuted.
All of those numbers are the rosiest lab numbers you could imagine and thus producing any clinical effect would undoubtedly make them inpractical. The fact that even the best case increases weight and cost by over 10% highlights how improbable this dumbshit idea is.
I heard magnets cure cancer too, why don't you go run off an google that and share the results with everyone.
I don't think it'll ever work well enough to be a product. But it's an interesting experiment. Dismissing things off hand is never a good way to make progress.
WTF are you even doing here, bro?
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so if a player had a magnetic helmet, was running full speed and launched head first at another player's helmet, would the magnetic force whip that player's head back and give them whiplash or a broken neck or something?
No, it would just reduce the impact force.
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And do we think that being in an MRI machine for, say, 15 hours a week, 25 weeks a year would do good things?
I haven't seen any research that would suggest it would do bad things. :dunno:
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And do we think that being in an MRI machine for, say, 15 hours a week, 25 weeks a year would do good things?
I haven't seen any research that would suggest it would do bad things. :dunno:
Yeah, I have no idea either, I just think the two are strange to equate. We do know that spending a few seconds occasionally in an X-ray machine is fine, but long term exposure is bad. No idea if the same is true of MRI's or 1/10th of an MRI, but it would certainly cause me some concern
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And do we think that being in an MRI machine for, say, 15 hours a week, 25 weeks a year would do good things?
I haven't seen any research that would suggest it would do bad things. :dunno:
Yeah, I have no idea either, I just think the two are strange to equate. We do know that spending a few seconds occasionally in an X-ray machine is fine, but long term exposure is bad. No idea if the same is true of MRI's or 1/10th of an MRI, but it would certainly cause me some concern
Well, I do know that MRIs aren't as dangerous as x-rays or CT scans. Nobody has been exposed to magnets for the amount of time that a football player wearing a them in his helmet would be, though. My guess would be that reducing the occurrence of concussions by 80% as the article suggests would probably make wearing the magnets a whole lot better for your long term health than not wearing them.
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so are we going to put magnets in the turf too?
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generally speaking, i'm in favor of more magnets.
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Continuing to improve helmets is a noble effort and should be continued, but comprehensive studies of the brain in both football players and non football players and continuing to release that information to the public honestly (especially by the NFL, the NCAA, and football supporters) is the key. I do think concussions and their effects can be reduced, but not eliminated (nor can they be from most sports). Ultimately, I think Pete is correct in the next step with honest and accurate information about the effects of concussions and football:
Can't we just solve this with waivers, such as those that are used at the bounce house kids party places?
The size and speed of players (especially in the NFL and college) will continue to equal or surpass the technology for helmets; the collisions are simply frequent and often brutal. Its the nature of what football is and for many how they gain their enjoyment of the sport. Part of the the issue with many players is how safe they believe the equipment is and their willingness to use their helmet/head as the initial force of impact. Moves like the Seahawks teaching (and publicizing) their use of shoulder/rugby tackling are good for the game and hopefully will help. Coaches at all levels getting out of the dark ages in how they organize practices and the amount of violent contact they build (or allow) into those practices will help. The nature of the sport is still going to lead to collisions and concussions, so the way the game is taught is very important, but ultimately educating parents and players about the risks is imperative for keeping the sport alive to counteract the blowback of the bad press the NFL allowed in the past. Then they will have to choose and I think a waiver to play contact football for any minor by parents and the player is important.
As far as football for high school and younger, no doubt there are collisions and concussions occur, but I don't think they are nearly as frequent or as violent. Personally, I have no problem with my high school son playing football and I believe the benefits for him outweigh the risks, but that's not for everyone and every parent won't make that decision.
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Freakanomics has a podcast about football and head injuries.
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All of those numbers are the rosiest lab numbers you could imagine and thus producing any clinical effect would undoubtedly make them inpractical. The fact that even the best case increases weight and cost by over 10% highlights how improbable this dumbshit idea is.
I heard magnets cure cancer too, why don't you go run off an google that and share the results with everyone.
I don't think it'll ever work well enough to be a product. But it's an interesting experiment. Dismissing things off hand is never a good way to make progress.
WTF are you even doing here, bro?
Pointing out your bravado as complete bullshit. Just because I don't think the idea will make it to market, doesn't make your bullshit any less bullshit. The fact that you see 10% as prohibitive to anything is asinine. Just stop. Any research to improve helmets is a good thing, and that's my point.
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If the magnets really work to reduce concussions, the extra cost of the helmets could be at least partially offset by reduced insurance costs.
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where will these magnets be located with regard to the helmet?
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And do we think that being in an MRI machine for, say, 15 hours a week, 25 weeks a year would do good things?
I haven't seen any research that would suggest it would do bad things. :dunno:
Yeah, I have no idea either, I just think the two are strange to equate. We do know that spending a few seconds occasionally in an X-ray machine is fine, but long term exposure is bad. No idea if the same is true of MRI's or 1/10th of an MRI, but it would certainly cause me some concern
That stood out to me as well. It's like saying, "does drinking 6 sodas a day have an adverse effect on health? Well, 1 soda has much less caffeine than a cup of coffee."
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The benefits of playing football gets too much play, imo. The benefits of football are the benefits of most team sports, imo. If football does decline drastically, most of the youth no longer playing it will gravitate to another team sport, most likely. As for injury similarities, I do think that sports like soccer are similar unless headers are removed. If headers are removed until later in the sport(college, etc), the kids have an opportunity to be old enough to see the sport without the dangerous component and get the benefits they would get from that, and still be of a more reasonable age to make a decision about proceeding forth in a sport that would then add a dangerous component to it by playing at an age where headers are allowed.
As more is know about CTE, though, I think there is a lot of change highschools and middle schools are going to see. Football, soccer, wrestling, hockey, rugby, lacross, etc. Pretty wide swath of popular sports. Most likely, many of those will have to either adapt or die in many schools.
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You guys look at this.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/body/mind-control-TMS.html
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What if a football field could be rigged to steer magnetic helmets in a certain direction? I'm sure the fine engineering students at KSU could figure something out.
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What if a football field could be rigged to steer magnetic helmets in a certain direction? I'm sure the fine engineering students at KSU could figure something out.
Or just go with this...
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0266/2779/files/Electric-Football-animation-game-in-play-optimized.gif)
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I was thinking more along the lines of the technology that allows those maglev trains to go 300 mph. It could really help some of our slower 5 heart players!
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What if a football field could be rigged to steer magnetic helmets in a certain direction? I'm sure the fine engineering students at KSU could figure something out.
Or just go with this...
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0266/2779/files/Electric-Football-animation-game-in-play-optimized.gif)
looks like the center's apartment must have been on fire
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where will these magnets be located with regard to the helmet?
This guy is going to form fit them to the curve of the helmet, between the shell and the padding.
https://news.vcu.edu/article/Saving_football
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looks like the center's apartment must have been on fire
:thumbs:
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Perhaps your predictions of the demise of football are a bit premature...
https://twitter.com/usafootball/status/672845349053067264
Can you imagine the game scores of USA vs (every other country)?!?!
We could send a team of high school all stars and win every game by 7 touchdowns. hahaha
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Perhaps your predictions of the demise of football are a bit premature...
https://twitter.com/usafootball/status/672845349053067264
Can you imagine the game scores of USA vs (every other country)?!?!
We could send a team of high school all stars and win every game by 7 touchdowns. hahaha
There's a reason why baseball was cut.
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Perhaps your predictions of the demise of football are a bit premature...
https://twitter.com/usafootball/status/672845349053067264
Can you imagine the game scores of USA vs (every other country)?!?!
We could send a team of high school all stars and win every game by 7 touchdowns. hahaha
There's a reason why baseball was cut.
Yeah, Europe is terrible at baseball.
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That would be a lot of fun to watch. When have Americans all came together and cheered for one football team together? Besides the cats, of course!
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Perhaps your predictions of the demise of football are a bit premature...
https://twitter.com/usafootball/status/672845349053067264
Can you imagine the game scores of USA vs (every other country)?!?!
We could send a team of high school all stars and win every game by 7 touchdowns. hahaha
There's a reason why baseball was cut.
Yeah, Europe is terrible at baseball.
Exactly, and they actually have a few countries in Europe that play baseball.
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Perhaps your predictions of the demise of football are a bit premature...
https://twitter.com/usafootball/status/672845349053067264
Can you imagine the game scores of USA vs (every other country)?!?!
We could send a team of high school all stars and win every game by 7 touchdowns. hahaha
There's a reason why baseball was cut.
To make room for football!! Amirite? ;-)
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Dr. Bennet Omalu Says Parents Should Not Let Children Play Football
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2596649-dr-bennet-omalu-says-parents-should-not-let-children-play-football?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2596649-dr-bennet-omalu-says-parents-should-not-let-children-play-football?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial)
CTE can cause "major depression, memory loss, suicidal thought and actions, loss of intelligence as well as dementia later in life," per Omalu. What makes this particularly scary, Omalu notes, is that "the brain, unlike most other organs, does not have the capacity to cure itself following all types of injuries."
He concludes by noting that laws have been put in place to prevent children from harming themselves by smoking cigarettes or consuming alcohol, with age restrictions to prevent minors from purchasing them. He suggests that authority figures like parents, coaches and doctors should insist on young men and women not playing contact sports as minors.
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Dr. Bennet Omalu Says Parents Should Not Let Children Play Football
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2596649-dr-bennet-omalu-says-parents-should-not-let-children-play-football?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2596649-dr-bennet-omalu-says-parents-should-not-let-children-play-football?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial)
CTE can cause "major depression, memory loss, suicidal thought and actions, loss of intelligence as well as dementia later in life," per Omalu. What makes this particularly scary, Omalu notes, is that "the brain, unlike most other organs, does not have the capacity to cure itself following all types of injuries."
He concludes by noting that laws have been put in place to prevent children from harming themselves by smoking cigarettes or consuming alcohol, with age restrictions to prevent minors from purchasing them. He suggests that authority figures like parents, coaches and doctors should insist on young men and women not playing contact sports as minors.
this guy sounds like a major rough ridin' killjoy to me.
:dubious:
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What if a football field could be rigged to steer magnetic helmets in a certain direction? I'm sure the fine engineering students at KSU could figure something out.
Or just go with this...
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0266/2779/files/Electric-Football-animation-game-in-play-optimized.gif)
looks like the center's apartment must have been on fire
Mike Stoops would lose his crap if that didn't get flagged.
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What if a football field could be rigged to steer magnetic helmets in a certain direction? I'm sure the fine engineering students at KSU could figure something out.
Or just go with this...
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0266/2779/files/Electric-Football-animation-game-in-play-optimized.gif)
looks like the center's apartment must have been on fire
Mike Stoops would lose his crap if that didn't get flagged.
Lol
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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/film/league-of-denial/
On PBS right now in kc area.
Tom
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http://themercury.com/k_state_sports/snyder-thinks-cte-studies-will-change-football/article_d893791a-29f1-5ac7-8750-ffa0451f1b0e.html
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https://twitter.com/dennisdoddcbs/status/1039950972947234816
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My oldest kid is a seventh grader. My wife has laid down the law and said no football for her boys. There was a little bit of grumbling, but he's big into soccer, and he's looking forward to school basketball, so not that big of a deal.
Anyway, he wanted to go to the middle school football game this week to hang with some of his friends who also went. I drove him and sat in the stands and watched the game. Holy crap was that boring. So much standing around punctuated by off-tackle qb runs. :Yuck:
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Soccer is just as concussion prone as football if not worse
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sounds like you were at the k-state game........HEY OH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Is there any evidence that playing pee-wee tackle football turns you into a braindead idiot later in life?
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Is there any evidence that playing pee-wee tackle football turns you into a braindead idiot later in life?
yes
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Soccer is just as concussion prone as football if not worse
Most of the studies that I have found point to soccer being behind football in number of concussions. Although head to head contact can make the concussions that do happen to be as or more severe than in football. But I'd let my kids play football, if it weren't so god awful to watch at the youth level. So I'm not going to push them out of soccer.
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Just don't let them eat the mulched tires they use for filling in fake turf...I hear that stuff causes cancer.
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Just don't let them eat the mulched tires they use for filling in fake turf...I hear that stuff causes cancer.
(https://media.giphy.com/media/26tP8qAV3GyP1Pdde/giphy.gif)
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Wrap this crap up.
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If somebody doesn't get fired after this, we might as well give them guns on the field.
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As cigars go, the big 12 should sneak into the new tv deal that it still gets paid when football is banned.
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https://twitter.com/Marcel_LJ/status/1575908013587808266
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I just hope Tua is able to live a somewhat normal life and never runs for senate.
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https://twitter.com/Marcel_LJ/status/1575908013587808266
laughed throughout macgruber? only way is multiple brain injuries
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Thread evolved, title changed.
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He will play again this year, I am certain of it.
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He will play again this year, I am certain of it.
Fortunately for the Dolphins, this happened going into the mini-bye so he should be up next game.
https://twitter.com/CameronWolfe/status/1575911718748049409
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I can’t believe they’re doubling down on this. Especially when they got Sky up their sleeve
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Just letting the preseason mvp go to waste, sky needs to transfer asap
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https://twitter.com/Marcel_LJ/status/1575908013587808266
:sdeek:
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He will play again this year, I am certain of it.
oh no doubt. Wouldn't be surprised if he's not playing by next game. Definitely by week 6.
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https://twitter.com/Marcel_LJ/status/1575908013587808266
:sdeek:
Horrifying
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For his sake I honestly hope Tua gets enough guaranteed money and never plays again.
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Did anybody force Tua to play?
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Did anybody force Tua to play?
do people with significant brain injuries think clearly?
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How clearly does a person have to think to quarterback an NFL team, calling plays, audibling, running through your progressions etc. He’s an adult, he has handlers, he’s old enough to make decisions for himself.
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Jesus Christ
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How clearly does a person have to think to quarterback an NFL team, calling plays, audibling, running through your progressions etc. He’s an adult, he has handlers, he’s old enough to make decisions for himself.
Some of these guys are too competitive and in the moment to care about what’s best for them when they’re older
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Mohamed F. Tits. Nobody’s responsible for their own actions anymore. We always got to blame somebody else.
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Interesting line of argument from HugeTwat, here. It's really making me think.
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Lulz
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Despite the tragedies I don't wish for football to become less physical, at least by rule.
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Also, what happened with tua isn't really a tragedy. Just a scary injury imo.
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Don't know how many of you young men saw Joe Theisman gets his leg snapped in half QB'ing for Washington. Now that was a stomach-wrenching tragedy.
Found the video.
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https://youtu.be/JXx7NtCspDE
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Don't know how many of you young men saw Joe Theisman gets his leg snapped in half QB'ing for Washington. Now that was a stomach-wrenching tragedy.
Found the video.
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https://youtu.be/JXx7NtCspDE
Are we 1-upping tragedies now? :facepalm:
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Mohamed F. Tits. Nobody’s responsible for their own actions anymore. We always got to blame somebody else.
It seems pretty clear that you don't know what the controversy is about. People suspect that Tua had an undiagnosed concussion last week. He had a play where he appeared to be either out on his feet, or woozy. People who know about these things more than you and I say he did not sit out long enough in the game to get a full concussion evaluation and he was misdiagnosed with some strange back and ankle injury.
The only way this could possibly be a matter of Tua taking personal responsibility is if you think he has not only the ability to disagree with the team doctors findings and diagnose himself, but also has the ability to make the doctors and his coaches believe his diagnosis.
If he was diagnosed with a concussion he would not have had a choice as to whether or not he played four days later.
Hopefully this makes sense because your arguments here are goofy.
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Mohamed F. Tits. Nobody’s responsible for their own actions anymore. We always got to blame somebody else.
It seems pretty clear that you don't know what the controversy is about. People suspect that Tua had an undiagnosed concussion last week. He had a play where he appeared to be either out on his feet, or woozy. People who know about these things more than you and I say he did not sit out long enough in the game to get a full concussion evaluation and he was misdiagnosed with some strange back and ankle injury.
The only way this could possibly be a matter of Tua taking personal responsibility is if you think he has not only the ability to disagree with the team doctors findings and diagnose himself, but also has the ability to make the doctors and his coaches believe his diagnosis.
If he was diagnosed with a concussion he would not have had a choice as to whether or not he played four days later.
Hopefully this makes sense because your arguments here are goofy.
Not to mention the fact that, in spite of "personal responsibility" (wait, are we including corporations as people, in this particular context?), we as a society have decided that rules of law need to be in place to protect employees from actual or implied pressures from employers to put themselves in harm's way in ways that affect their personal health. crap, it's happened to me. Turns out there is a lot of pressure to just suck it up, future consequences be damned--and not just for highly compensated pro athletes.
I would like to hear HugeTwat's theory on why OSHA was wrongly passed and offensive to our values.
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Mohamed F. Tits. Nobody’s responsible for their own actions anymore. We always got to blame somebody else.
It seems pretty clear that you don't know what the controversy is about. People suspect that Tua had an undiagnosed concussion last week. He had a play where he appeared to be either out on his feet, or woozy. People who know about these things more than you and I say he did not sit out long enough in the game to get a full concussion evaluation and he was misdiagnosed with some strange back and ankle injury.
The only way this could possibly be a matter of Tua taking personal responsibility is if you think he has not only the ability to disagree with the team doctors findings and diagnose himself, but also has the ability to make the doctors and his coaches believe his diagnosis.
If he was diagnosed with a concussion he would not have had a choice as to whether or not he played four days later.
Hopefully this makes sense because your arguments here are goofy.
Thanks, I stand corrected. Not the first time I have been guilty of talking out of my ass
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Was just finnda bring up how employers would absolutely put their employees in danger to save a buck if not for those pesky regulations, but spracs beat me to it. Hopefully this is a teachable moment for HugeChud and not just another drop in the osha
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https://twitter.com/espn/status/1576277263770914819
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Let the scape goating begin
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Why does the NFL even require a UNC? Tua's a big boy. He can make up his own mind. (Query: can he re-make it?)
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34719946/tampa-bay-buccaneers-coach-todd-bowles-explains-handling-te-cameron-brate-concussion
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/34719946/tampa-bay-buccaneers-coach-todd-bowles-explains-handling-te-cameron-brate-concussion
In the meantime, team trainers and independent neurologists were encouraged to err on the side of caution this week.
Oh, no crap?
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https://twitter.com/TheAthletic/status/1580191972022624256
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https://twitter.com/JonScottTV/status/1581809139667599360
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https://twitter.com/JonScottTV/status/1581809139667599360
The comments to this one are amazing. "Its just because of the cabin pressure" lol The guy couldn't sit on an airplane for a couple hours due to a medical condition but he sure as crap can put on some pads and throw his body into oncoming traffic 38 times on Sunday!!!
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https://twitter.com/BobbySkinner_/status/1609629778667278336
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Have they fined him yet? If Jamaal Williams gets penalized for some hip thrusts I have to think they’ll come down pretty hard on that crap.
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https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/bengals-vs-bills-monday-night-football-game-suspended-after-buffalos-damar-hamlin-suffers-scary-injury/live/amp/
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Allegedly the two head coaches had to step in to force the suspension. League was going to have them keep playing.
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Ban it. This is absurd.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/05/briefing/nfl-injuries-damar-hamlin.html
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It would be very easy to go to rugby type helmets, but Americans love violence.
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It would be very easy to go to rugby type helmets, but Americans love violence.
I’ve long thought that minimal helmets and padding would go a long way to reducing catastrophic injuries in the game. That said, a lot of dudes used to die playing football in the early days.
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Yeah, I don't think reducing the protection provided by helmets and shoulder pads is the answer.
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Yeah, I don't think reducing the protection provided by helmets and shoulder pads is the answer.
You ever watch a rugby match? That hit on Monday night, comparatively a beign one, never happens without huge ass helmets.
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Yeah, I don't think reducing the protection provided by helmets and shoulder pads is the answer.
You ever watch a rugby match? That hit on Monday night, comparatively a beign one, never happens without huge ass helmets.
I wonder what the learning curve is on that though? I mean just seeing some of the routes guys run and the way they can just barely tap their toes in bounds…it’s a reminder how specially trained, well oiled machines these dudes are. Probably really difficult to unlearn technique that’s been drilled into you every day for years
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I do love some violence
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Yeah, I don't think reducing the protection provided by helmets and shoulder pads is the answer.
You ever watch a rugby match? That hit on Monday night, comparatively a beign one, never happens without huge ass helmets.
The lack of protection could be -A- factor, but I think the simpler explanation for FB having more violent collisions is: (1) it is played in extremely explosive segments of just a few seconds at a time, and (2) every play you basically set up a pretty decent likelihood of having two players run full speed toward each other for like 20 yards. That scenario just doesn’t even come up that frequently in other sports.
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Yeah, I don't think reducing the protection provided by helmets and shoulder pads is the answer.
You ever watch a rugby match? That hit on Monday night, comparatively a beign one, never happens without huge ass helmets.
The lack of protection could be -A- factor, but I think the simpler explanation for FB having more violent collisions is: (1) it is played in extremely explosive segments of just a few seconds at a time, and (2) every play you basically set up a pretty decent likelihood of having two players run full speed toward each other for like 20 yards. That scenario just doesn’t even come up that frequently in other sports.
Those scenarios aren't nearly as dangerous in other sports both because of the lack of protection and rules to prevent them. Basketball has a ton of extremely explosive segments but you'll get a foul called for a collision. Soccer has a ton of opportunities to collide from two 20 yard sprints, but they'll get yellow or red cards for dangerous contact. Rugby has similar bursts with less violence because there isn't a helmet that can be used as a weapon.
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Sounds like football just needs to start calling fouls for contact
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Yeah, I don't think reducing the protection provided by helmets and shoulder pads is the answer.
You ever watch a rugby match? That hit on Monday night, comparatively a beign one, never happens without huge ass helmets.
I get the arguments, but the game was a lot slower when people were wearing leather helmets, and a lot more people died playing it.
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Maybe it makes sense to put weighted vests on every player to slow them down.
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not a football historian but what is the relationship of injuries with respect to the (controversial) legalization of the forward pass?
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Frankly I have no idea what the incidence of injuries is for rugby, but I think the sport is just fundamentally different in that tackles will usually happen with way less force since a ball carrier running at full speed will almost always get tackled from behind instead of head on.
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Eliminating the kickoff would be a step in the right direction
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Eliminating the kickoff would be a step in the right direction
I have been a fairly big fan of Schiano's proposal.
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Eliminating the kickoff would be a step in the right direction
I have been a fairly big fan of Schiano's proposal.
I like that it makes it possible to get the ball back after scoring, when recent rules have made onside kicks incredibly difficult to recover. Maybe it makes it too easy, though.
I really question whether punts are safer than kicks, though. I don't have any injury data to look at, but kick protection seems a lot more straightforward than a punt, where you have to line up and watch for a fake, then sprint back alongside the guy you are going to try to block. You see punt returners get absolutely lit up if they make a poor decision to not fair catch when they should.
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Eliminating the kickoff would be a step in the right direction
I have been a fairly big fan of Schiano's proposal.
I like that it makes it possible to get the ball back after scoring, when recent rules have made onside kicks incredibly difficult to recover. Maybe it makes it too easy, though.
I really question whether punts are safer than kicks, though. I don't have any injury data to look at, but kick protection seems a lot more straightforward than a punt, where you have to line up and watch for a fake, then sprint back alongside the guy you are going to try to block. You see punt returners get absolutely lit up if they make a poor decision to not fair catch when they should.
My guess on why punts may be safer is that the ball carrier is rarely moving forward at full speed. You eliminate half of the momentum and force you have on a lot of kickoff collisions even when the returner gets lit up.
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Eliminating the kickoff would be a step in the right direction
I have been a fairly big fan of Schiano's proposal.
I like that it makes it possible to get the ball back after scoring, when recent rules have made onside kicks incredibly difficult to recover. Maybe it makes it too easy, though.
I really question whether punts are safer than kicks, though. I don't have any injury data to look at, but kick protection seems a lot more straightforward than a punt, where you have to line up and watch for a fake, then sprint back alongside the guy you are going to try to block. You see punt returners get absolutely lit up if they make a poor decision to not fair catch when they should.
My guess on why punts may be safer is that the ball carrier is rarely moving forward at full speed. You eliminate half of the momentum and force you have on a lot of kickoff collisions even when the returner gets lit up.
Yeah, this is right but it's important to remember, as someone who's football career partially ended because of this, most kickoff injuries aren't to the returner. Every player but the kicker in most circumstances are subject to on of those full speed collisions.
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Also one other thing about rugby, football, and collisions, I'm fairly certain that research shows most injuries occur at the line of scrimmage. The wide receiver or running back getting blown up is certainly eye catching but that happens what maybe 3-4 times a game, at the very most?
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Eliminating the kickoff would be a step in the right direction
I have been a fairly big fan of Schiano's proposal.
I like that it makes it possible to get the ball back after scoring, when recent rules have made onside kicks incredibly difficult to recover. Maybe it makes it too easy, though.
I really question whether punts are safer than kicks, though. I don't have any injury data to look at, but kick protection seems a lot more straightforward than a punt, where you have to line up and watch for a fake, then sprint back alongside the guy you are going to try to block. You see punt returners get absolutely lit up if they make a poor decision to not fair catch when they should.
My guess on why punts may be safer is that the ball carrier is rarely moving forward at full speed. You eliminate half of the momentum and force you have on a lot of kickoff collisions even when the returner gets lit up.
Yeah, this is right but it's important to remember, as someone who's football career partially ended because of this, most kickoff injuries aren't to the returner. Every player but the kicker in most circumstances are subject to on of those full speed collisions.
On punts you start blocking at the line of scrimmage rather than downfield with a head of steam
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Also one other thing about rugby, football, and collisions, I'm fairly certain that research shows most injuries occur at the line of scrimmage. The wide receiver or running back getting blown up is certainly eye catching but that happens what maybe 3-4 times a game, at the very most?
We may be thinking of different sets of statistics, but certainly the most sub-concussive head impacts (the main ingredient to CTE) occur on the line. I have never seen anything indicating that the majority of injuries total occur there, but it wouldn't surprise me, if for no other reason than that is where the greatest concentration of players are at any given time.
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Well if you’re counting all injuries then I have no doubt they occur to linemen. Those guy’s fingers, ankles, joints, etc. are in danger every single play.
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Eliminating the kickoff would be a step in the right direction
I have been a fairly big fan of Schiano's proposal.
I like that it makes it possible to get the ball back after scoring, when recent rules have made onside kicks incredibly difficult to recover. Maybe it makes it too easy, though.
I really question whether punts are safer than kicks, though. I don't have any injury data to look at, but kick protection seems a lot more straightforward than a punt, where you have to line up and watch for a fake, then sprint back alongside the guy you are going to try to block. You see punt returners get absolutely lit up if they make a poor decision to not fair catch when they should.
The easy remedy then to do back it up more. I think 4th and 15 is a pretty big gamble to do if you start at like the 20. I also think of you make it where regardless of you gain 1 yard or 14 I'd you fail the defending team gets it at like the 20 or 25 or something, really incentivize to the team going for you it's more an act of surprise/desperation, not something you can gunsling each time (though there were always be that high school team that'll always go for it)
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Not saying that rugby is anywhere near as dangerous as football, but those scrums are pretty nasty. My brother and cousin played club rugby in college - one broke his arm in a scrum and one broke his leg in a scrum.
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I think most people are willing to live with injuries that aren't brain or heart related.
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Eliminating the kickoff would be a step in the right direction
I have been a fairly big fan of Schiano's proposal.
I like that it makes it possible to get the ball back after scoring, when recent rules have made onside kicks incredibly difficult to recover. Maybe it makes it too easy, though.
I really question whether punts are safer than kicks, though. I don't have any injury data to look at, but kick protection seems a lot more straightforward than a punt, where you have to line up and watch for a fake, then sprint back alongside the guy you are going to try to block. You see punt returners get absolutely lit up if they make a poor decision to not fair catch when they should.
The easy remedy then to do back it up more. I think 4th and 15 is a pretty big gamble to do if you start at like the 20. I also think of you make it where regardless of you gain 1 yard or 14 I'd you fail the defending team gets it at like the 20 or 25 or something, really incentivize to the team going for you it's more an act of surprise/desperation, not something you can gunsling each time (though there were always be that high school team that'll always go for it)
I think the 4th & 15 gives more power to (and scrutiny of) the officials on a high-stakes play. Given the quality and consistency of officiating, I don't love that aspect of it. A penalty is likely the same as a turnover for the defending team whereas an onside doesn't typically have a possession-deciding penalty on the receiving team.
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I think one thing the N(ew)XFL got really right was kickoffs: Kick from the 30, return team on the 35, nobody moves but the kicker until the ball is fielded. Punts and PATs a little less so - should keep the kicking option in PATs.
Perhaps a way to keep a traditional kicking PAT would be to award an additional point or two on top of the PAT if the *kickoff* goes through the uprights. Would certainly reduce returns and increase touchbacks.
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Another interesting thing - and maybe this exists - would be if there's any kind of comparative data between the NFL and the CFL. Given the differences (wider/longer field in the CFL, more pre-snap motion in the CFL, 3 downs vs. 4 downs, etc.), it would be interesting to see if per capita injuries to different areas (head, body, etc.) are different.
It's still hard to believe the CFL has the goalpost on the front end zone line - that's got to result in unnecessary injuries.
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https://twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1611465517717655552?s=46&t=epS2TqTR50uph32dBwIWcQ
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I saw Kansas in the top 10, so I figured I'd be able to find K-State, but I can't? Am I reading it wrong?
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I saw Kansas in the top 10, so I figured I'd be able to find K-State, but I can't? Am I reading it wrong?
Poor cats couldn’t even outdraw the Jan 6 hearings in mid June playing Bama on the biggest football Saturday of the year :frown:
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https://twitter.com/awfulannouncing/status/1611465517717655552?s=46&t=epS2TqTR50uph32dBwIWcQ
So much for go woke go broke.
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I saw Kansas in the top 10, so I figured I'd be able to find K-State, but I can't? Am I reading it wrong?
I’d be more concerned with the fact that KU somehow managed to pull the ratings for the NCAA championship lower than a semifinal game featuring teams that meet every single year.
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I saw Kansas in the top 10, so I figured I'd be able to find K-State, but I can't? Am I reading it wrong?
I’d be more concerned with the fact that KU somehow managed to pull the ratings for the NCAA championship lower than a semifinal game featuring teams that meet every single year.
A final four game outrating the national championship game has got to be a first.
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https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/35393227/how-bills-bengals-led-way-damar-hamlin-collapsed
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I didn't see this anywhere, I heard about it on a slate.com podcast
https://twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/1612254111704956929
https://twitter.com/ToriYeast/status/1612651010404806657
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https://twitter.com/DBrass33/status/1612615082638282752
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https://twitter.com/DBrass33/status/1612615082638282752
What's with the nigra talk? :dunno:
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Also, hope Russ recovers. Best wishes to a KSU Cat. :beersmiley:
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It would be very easy to go to rugby type helmets, but Americans love violence.
Welp, never mind. I guess we're just morons
https://twitter.com/FootbaIl_Tweets/status/1615867001741656064
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Its fans’ love/use of fireworks is another reason to ban this crap.
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Its fans’ love/use of fireworks is another reason to ban this crap.
I can get behind this reasoning
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