Marco Rubio Master Thread

[OK_Cat]

Great stuff yard dog

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

So, Trump voters all of the sudden stop voting for Trump once the non-Trump voters get their crap together? Doesn't seem very likely.

Trump voters won't stop voting for Trump, they will just no longer be the majority. There is a lot of talk about his polling percentage ceiling. He has very rarely polled above 40% close to an actual vote in a state and hasn't gotten above 35% in any of the final voting. To think his numbers will jump when other candidates drop out isn't looking at the facts.

Correct. This sounds strange to say for the "front runner," but Trump's only path to victory is if the vote against him stays divided long enough for him to capture a majority of the delegates.

Bernie supporters hate Trump.

The ones who are far left conservatives probably do, but it is shocking how many people I have heard interviewed that have mentioned that Bernie and Trump were their top two options.

Yes, there are a lot of very stupid people in this country. These are the people voting purely out of frustration as opposed to knowing anything about candidates' positions, basic economics, etc. The good news is that many of these people don't actually vote - but way too many do.

[chuckjames]

So, Trump voters all of the sudden stop voting for Trump once the non-Trump voters get their crap together? Doesn't seem very likely.

Trump voters won't stop voting for Trump, they will just no longer be the majority. There is a lot of talk about his polling percentage ceiling. He has very rarely polled above 40% close to an actual vote in a state and hasn't gotten above 35% in any of the final voting. To think his numbers will jump when other candidates drop out isn't looking at the facts.

Correct. This sounds strange to say for the "front runner," but Trump's only path to victory is if the vote against him stays divided long enough for him to capture a majority of the delegates.

Bernie supporters hate Trump.

The ones who are far left conservatives probably do, but it is shocking how many people I have heard interviewed that have mentioned that Bernie and Trump were their top two options.

Yes, there are a lot of very stupid people in this country. These are the people voting purely out of frustration as opposed to knowing anything about candidates' positions, basic economics, etc. The good news is that many of these people don't actually vote - but way too many do.

And yet Trump somehow just pulled at 50% in Mass.

[Yard Dog]

Bernie supporters hate Trump.

The ones who are far left conservatives probably do, but it is shocking how many people I have heard interviewed that have mentioned that Bernie and Trump were their top two options.

Yes, there are a lot of very stupid people in this country. These are the people voting purely out of frustration as opposed to knowing anything about candidates' positions, basic economics, etc. The good news is that many of these people don't actually vote - but way too many do.

I was listening to NPR's coverage of the SC primary and they interviewed a Trump supporter. He said one of the reasons he was voting Trump was because he thought the minimum wage was too low and needed to be raised. They clarified after the interview that Trump has no intentions of raising the minimum wage.

[Yard Dog]

And yet Trump somehow just pulled at 50% in Mass.

Yeah, a state that only has 42 delegates that are divided proportionally with only a 5% threshold to receive delegates.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Trump pushed for a minimum wage increase during the first year of his presidency.

[chuckjames]

And yet Trump somehow just pulled at 50% in Mass.

Yeah, a state that only has 42 delegates that are divided proportionally with only a 5% threshold to receive delegates.

It more just shows that Trump is going to crush in the Blue states as this article postulates.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/larison/trump-and-blue-state-republicans/

[CNS]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Trump pushed for a minimum wage increase during the first year of his presidency.

Only after his construction co builds the wall, though.

[chuckjames]

I love the fantasy that people have that something drastic is going to change on March 15, and people are going to come out in droves to vote for Marco Rubio all of the sudden. Marco most likely had his chance to really gain momentum in New Hampshire. He didnt, its probably too late now.

[wetwillie]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Trump pushed for a minimum wage increase during the first year of his presidency.

Do you not pay attention?  He said he is going to make Mexico pay for it.

Only after his construction co builds the wall, though.

[chuckjames]

Poll in Ohio which is already early voting. Tell me again why everyone not named Rubio should drop out?


https://twitter.com/stevenportnoy/status/702089575225753600

[Yard Dog]

Poll in Ohio which is already early voting. Tell me again why everyone not named Rubio should drop out?


https://twitter.com/stevenportnoy/status/702089575225753600

Honestly it is because sensible conservatives are looking to the general election. Trump, Cruz, and Kasich supporters fail to see the difficulty they will have winning votes in the GE. Both Trump and Cruz will have a very difficult time pulling independents, and Trump will not pull the minority vote.

[chum1]

So, Trump voters all of the sudden stop voting for Trump once the non-Trump voters get their crap together? Doesn't seem very likely.

Trump voters won't stop voting for Trump, they will just no longer be the majority. There is a lot of talk about his polling percentage ceiling. He has very rarely polled above 40% close to an actual vote in a state and hasn't gotten above 35% in any of the final voting. To think his numbers will jump when other candidates drop out isn't looking at the facts.

Correct. This sounds strange to say for the "front runner," but Trump's only path to victory is if the vote against him stays divided long enough for him to capture a majority of the delegates.

The only way this could happen is if all states were winner take all. They're not. Not even close. As long as the party doesn't eff him over, Trump pretty much has this in the bag.

http://www.electionprojection.com/republican-nomination-delegates/

[chuckjames]

Poll in Ohio which is already early voting. Tell me again why everyone not named Rubio should drop out?


https://twitter.com/stevenportnoy/status/702089575225753600

Honestly it is because sensible conservatives are looking to the general election. Trump, Cruz, and Kasich supporters fail to see the difficulty they will have winning votes in the GE. Both Trump and Cruz will have a very difficult time pulling independents, and Trump will not pull the minority vote.

So basically you're saying Rubio should have the nomination given to him. Man I thought conservatives were about hard work and stuff.

Also Kasich would be a great a GE candidate, probably better than Rubio.

[Institutional Control]

Poll in Ohio which is already early voting. Tell me again why everyone not named Rubio should drop out?


https://twitter.com/stevenportnoy/status/702089575225753600

Honestly it is because sensible conservatives are looking to the general election. Trump, Cruz, and Kasich supporters fail to see the difficulty they will have winning votes in the GE. Both Trump and Cruz will have a very difficult time pulling independents, and Trump will not pull the minority vote.

So basically you're saying Rubio should have the nomination given to him. Man I thought conservatives were about hard work and stuff.

Also Kasich would be a great a GE candidate, probably better than Rubio.

Maybe not.  http://www.salon.com/2016/02/23/samantha_bee_just_ended_the_john_kasich_charade_in_the_nauseating_bus_terminal_restroom_that_is_the_republican_primary_kasich_initially_seems_like_the_least_disgusting_stall/

[CNS]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Trump pushed for a minimum wage increase during the first year of his presidency.

Do you not pay attention?  He said he is going to make Mexico pay for it.

Only after his construction co builds the wall, though.

Yes, pay for it, not build it.  I mean, he is going to want to turn a huge profit, not share it with his workers.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Poll in Ohio which is already early voting. Tell me again why everyone not named Rubio should drop out?


https://twitter.com/stevenportnoy/status/702089575225753600

Honestly it is because sensible conservatives are looking to the general election. Trump, Cruz, and Kasich supporters fail to see the difficulty they will have winning votes in the GE. Both Trump and Cruz will have a very difficult time pulling independents, and Trump will not pull the minority vote.

So basically you're saying Rubio should have the nomination given to him. Man I thought conservatives were about hard work and stuff.

Also Kasich would be a great a GE candidate, probably better than Rubio.

Maybe not.  http://www.salon.com/2016/02/23/samantha_bee_just_ended_the_john_kasich_charade_in_the_nauseating_bus_terminal_restroom_that_is_the_republican_primary_kasich_initially_seems_like_the_least_disgusting_stall/

I didn't think it was a secret that Kasich is pro life.

[ChiComCat]

Looking at polls, Kasich is likely out soon.  He isn't consistent enough to unseat Rubio as establishment guy.  Carson/Cruz aren't going anywhere because they don't give a crap about what the party wants.  Carson will either have to start winning or run out of money though. 

People that think Rubio is in trouble don't understand the Republican's unpledged delegates.  With those all likely to go with the establishment guy, current counts are basically:

Trump: 67
Rubio: 447
Cruz: 11

[CNS]

Looking at polls, Kasich is likely out soon.  He isn't consistent enough to unseat Rubio as establishment guy.  Carson/Cruz aren't going anywhere because they don't give a crap about what the party wants.  Carson will either have to start winning or run out of money though. 

People that think Rubio is in trouble don't understand the Republican's unpledged delegates.  With those all likely to go with the establishment guy, current counts are basically:

Trump: 67
Rubio: 447
Cruz: 11

The Trump as an R thing has been great, but Trump as an I will be amazing.

[sys]

even with the pub unpledgeds, rubio is going to have to cut a deal to get a majority.  either a deal to get people to dropout or a deal to take their delegates after the voting is done.  neither kasich nor cruz has any reason to just bow out for nothing.

[sys]

good article from yesterday on what this board is now doing.

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-optimists-and-trump-skeptics-are-about-to-go-to-war/

[wetwillie]

Why is Marco Rubio so broke? That kind of bothers me.  Maybe he isn't as fiscally responsible as I was lead to believe.

[chum1]

Looks like Romney got 35% of unpledged delegates in 2012.

http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P12/R-PU.phtml

[Rage Against the McKee]

Why is Marco Rubio so broke? That kind of bothers me.  Maybe he isn't as fiscally responsible as I was lead to believe.

He enjoys the glamorous lifestyle.

[Yard Dog]

Why is Marco Rubio so broke? That kind of bothers me.  Maybe he isn't as fiscally responsible as I was lead to believe.

Because ad buying is extremely expensive.