Is Planned Hamburger more important than the entire good of America?

[Cartierfor3]

Would you be willing to doom your own eternal soul to hell in exchange for defending the lives of the unborn?

probably not. maybe that makes me selfish

[slobber]

Would you be willing to doom your own eternal soul to hell in exchange for defending the lives of the unborn?

I am sorry, but I will not answer this one.
But I have one for you. Would you be willing to doom your own soul to eternal hell in exchange for defending anything that you believe in?


Gonna win 'em all!

[star seed 7]

I'd doom my eternal soul for a snickers bar. Because an eternal soul is not real, so it has no value to me, a snickers bar does

[mocat]

I'd doom my eternal soul for a snickers bar. Because an eternal soul is not real, so it has no value to me, a snickers bar does

this helps me understand your aversion to dream-related movies

[slobber]

I'd doom my eternal soul for a snickers bar. Because an eternal soul is not real, so it has no value to me, a snickers bar does

so I am supposed to think hypothetically, but you can't?


Gonna win 'em all!

[star seed 7]

I also don't like drug scenes

[Asteriskhead]

Would you be willing to doom your own eternal soul to hell in exchange for defending the lives of the unborn?

I am sorry, but I will not answer this one.
But I have one for you. Would you be willing to doom your own soul to eternal hell in exchange for defending anything that you believe in?


Gonna win 'em all!

I don't believe in either concept, so I really can't answer that in fairness.

[Asteriskhead]

I'd doom my eternal soul for a snickers bar. Because an eternal soul is not real, so it has no value to me, a snickers bar does

so I am supposed to think hypothetically, but you can't?


Gonna win 'em all!

I think it is fair, considering they are concepts that are true to you.

[star seed 7]

I'd doom my eternal soul for a snickers bar. Because an eternal soul is not real, so it has no value to me, a snickers bar does

so I am supposed to think hypothetically, but you can't?


Gonna win 'em all!

The question is only interesting to ask someone who values an eternal soul. I can't pretend to know how valuable that is to someone. It's fairly easy to knoknow how much you value your political views though

[mocat]

I also don't like drug scenes

this is a pretty giant umbrella

[star seed 7]

I also don't like drug scenes

this is a pretty giant umbrella

Like when they try to show what a character is experiencing on drugs. Usually blurry and fast moving camera and distorted voices

[slobber]

I'd doom my eternal soul for a snickers bar. Because an eternal soul is not real, so it has no value to me, a snickers bar does

so I am supposed to think hypothetically, but you can't?


Gonna win 'em all!

The question is only interesting to ask someone who values an eternal soul. I can't pretend to know how valuable that is to someone. It's fairly easy to knoknow how much you value your political views though

My political views? The only thing that I have discussed is my personal beliefs, some of which can be equated to a political party, but that doesn't mean they are. Man, you seem to be really on edge lately. I am not attacking you in any thread, but it seems that you are trying to take a lot of little jabs at me and what I believe. Sorry if I am offending you. I typically assume that gE regulars get my sarcasm in certain threads and get my sincerity in others, and me the same in return. If I am misreading you (on a message board! Ha!), then I am sorry.


Gonna win 'em all!

[star seed 7]

I was answering your question in an honest manner. Unless you're an idiot like yard dog or an extremist like ksuw, I enjoy civil discussions. I don't think you're either of those, so whatever jabs you feel are not being thrown.

I don't like that you won't explain your views though, because I enjoy hearing different points of view. I've  mentioned it about mir before, that he often brings a unique pov (in the context of this message board) and I like having another way of looking at things because I might be missing something.

Also political views are personal beliefs, not sure why you are bringing parties into this. If you've read the pit much you would know I'm extremely anti-party. People clamor for a third party, I want zero parties. They are only fund raising rackets

[mocat]

I also don't like drug scenes

this is a pretty giant umbrella

Like when they try to show what a character is experiencing on drugs. Usually blurry and fast moving camera and distorted voices

oh yeah i hate that too. i thought you meant any scene where a character is seen doing drugs.

[Trim]

hellPAK?

[slobber]

I gave up on trying to read the last 200 plus comments.
My thoughts (if you give a crap):
In my case, I can tell you that I felt like there was another human the second my wife told me she thought she was pregnant. Yes, I was sad the times she told me that she wasn't. Or the time she miscarried. Was I distraught? No. A strong relationship with the baby and/or not fully knowing whether or not she was pregnant prevented me from being overly distraught. I was sad.
For those of you saying "what harm is it doing me?" Or "let people do what they want and then let God decide", my response is "whatever you do to the least, you do to me".
I am pro-life. I believe in God. I know some of you are 100% different than me in those two points, but it is part of who I am.
Go Royals!
(FTR, I have not watched the videos.)


Gonna win 'em all!

Here are my beliefs. It is pretty simple. Others have different beliefs, and I get that. I am not out evangelizing, but if somebody wants to talk seriously about God and something they are struggling with, I am certainly willing to do that. That, for me, would be a pretty serious and personal conversation. I probably wouldn't have that on a message board.


Gonna win 'em all!

[michigancat]

If you believe in a god that like has a scale that adds up all the good and bad things you did to decide if you get into heaven or hell, seems like damning your soul to hell for eternity to save what this God thought were babies babies would tip the scale back to the going to heaven side. So in a way, it may be a selfish act either way.

[slobber]

I was answering your question in an honest manner. Unless you're an idiot like yard dog or an extremist like ksuw, I enjoy civil discussions. I don't think you're either of those, so whatever jabs you feel are not being thrown.

I don't like that you won't explain your views though, because I enjoy hearing different points of view. I've  mentioned it about mir before, that he often brings a unique pov (in the context of this message board) and I like having another way of looking at things because I might be missing something.

Also political views are personal beliefs, not sure why you are bringing parties into this. If you've read the pit much you would know I'm extremely anti-party. People clamor for a third party, I want zero parties. They are only fund raising rackets

My personal beliefs about God and abortion are not political. That is what I was attempting to convey.


Gonna win 'em all!

[Rage Against the McKee]

If you believe in a god that like has a scale that adds up all the good and bad things you did to decide if you get into heaven or hell, seems like damning your soul to hell for eternity to save what this God thought were babies babies would tip the scale back to the going to heaven side. So in a way, it may be a selfish act either way.

Kind of like when Huckabee volunteered to go to jail for Kim Davis. He knew the judge wouldn't really put him in jail, just like he knows God wouldn't really send him to hell.

[Yard Dog]

If you believe in a god that like has a scale that adds up all the good and bad things you did to decide if you get into heaven or hell, seems like damning your soul to hell for eternity to save what this God thought were babies babies would tip the scale back to the going to heaven side. So in a way, it may be a selfish act either way.

The Christian belief is that you do not get to heaven through good works alone. So the act of damning your soul to hell would do just that. God isn't one to really be ok with ends justifying means. That doesn't mean that His followers haven't messed that up along the way.

[michigancat]

If you believe in a god that like has a scale that adds up all the good and bad things you did to decide if you get into heaven or hell, seems like damning your soul to hell for eternity to save what this God thought were babies babies would tip the scale back to the going to heaven side. So in a way, it may be a selfish act either way.

Kind of like when Huckabee volunteered to go to jail for Kim Davis. He knew the judge wouldn't really put him in jail, just like he knows God wouldn't really send him to hell.

Exactly.

[star seed 7]

I was answering your question in an honest manner. Unless you're an idiot like yard dog or an extremist like ksuw, I enjoy civil discussions. I don't think you're either of those, so whatever jabs you feel are not being thrown.

I don't like that you won't explain your views though, because I enjoy hearing different points of view. I've  mentioned it about mir before, that he often brings a unique pov (in the context of this message board) and I like having another way of looking at things because I might be missing something.

Also political views are personal beliefs, not sure why you are bringing parties into this. If you've read the pit much you would know I'm extremely anti-party. People clamor for a third party, I want zero parties. They are only fund raising rackets

My personal beliefs about God and abortion are not political. That is what I was attempting to convey.


Gonna win 'em all!

What does this mean though? You state you're pro-life, but you aren't into making it illegal? Why chime in on a political abortion thread if you don't want to share your political opinions on abortion?

Ftr, I've never impregnated anyone, but I imagine I would react similarly to you.   You (or me) wanting a kid and being happy or sad about the development or miscarriage of that potential child has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion at hand

Your pit posts are very confusing to me.

[slobber]

I was answering your question in an honest manner. Unless you're an idiot like yard dog or an extremist like ksuw, I enjoy civil discussions. I don't think you're either of those, so whatever jabs you feel are not being thrown.

I don't like that you won't explain your views though, because I enjoy hearing different points of view. I've  mentioned it about mir before, that he often brings a unique pov (in the context of this message board) and I like having another way of looking at things because I might be missing something.

Also political views are personal beliefs, not sure why you are bringing parties into this. If you've read the pit much you would know I'm extremely anti-party. People clamor for a third party, I want zero parties. They are only fund raising rackets

My personal beliefs about God and abortion are not political. That is what I was attempting to convey.


Gonna win 'em all!

What does this mean though? You state you're pro-life, but you aren't into making it illegal? Why chime in on a political abortion thread if you don't want to share your political opinions on abortion?

Ftr, I've never impregnated anyone, but I imagine I would react similarly to you.   You (or me) wanting a kid and being happy or sad about the development or miscarriage of that potential child has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion at hand

Your pit posts are very confusing to me.

When I posted that, the topic within the thread was "when does life begin".
That was when I decided to chime in. I struggle with making a law against abortion. I'd rather live in a society that values human life more than that. BUT WAIT!!! Why do we need laws against anything? Wouldn't we all rather live in a society without laws but everyone just does the right thing? Well, welcome to my world! It is a very conflicting place!


Gonna win 'em all!

[SdK]

We are in the last days.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Regarding the argument that the moment of birth is an arbitrary distinction as it pertains to the endowment of rights, proponents of that argument would need to resolve the discrepancy between that stance and the Constitution.  Is it fair to only espouse the Constitution when it fits your agenda? The framers of the 14th Amendment certainly felt that birth was the earliest point at which a person should be afforded the rights and protections of a citizen.  They felt it necessary to begin the first section of what would become the most important part of the Constitution with the assertion that "all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws."

So, before the moment of birth, I don't see how anyone can assert that the rights of the mother are equal or subordinate to the rights of the unborn.

"the 14th amendment isn't part of the original constitution" -ksuw (probably)

No i think he goes with the "3/5th" clause of the original constitution to show the constitution isnt always right. But we shall see!!!!

 
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