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Quote from: 8manpick on October 01, 2015, 01:37:52 PMDoes anyone actually oppose selling non-living body parts (fetuses, stillborn babies, old people, whatever) for medical research? If so, why?According to my boss, they harvested a bunch of stem cells or whatever about 35 years ago and they have been growing (multiplying) these cells in labs since then, so there should be no need to harvest more fetal tissue.
Does anyone actually oppose selling non-living body parts (fetuses, stillborn babies, old people, whatever) for medical research? If so, why?
Quote from: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 01, 2015, 02:06:48 PMQuote from: mocat on October 01, 2015, 01:50:25 PMthe "for profit" part seems to be what ksuw disapproves of the most. has there been any evidence of this? oh and covering the S&H doesn't count as profitMoCat, have you ever sold something on ebay, or listened to an infomercial? Call in the next 5 minutes and we'll double you order of baby heads for FREE* Just pay separate shipping and handling. It's all a matter of semantics. Fees for shipping, handling, processing, etc. are a great way to make money, or as one Planned Parenthood exec said, "do a little better than break even."Another comment was even more telling:QuoteSo Heather, a Novogenix person would come to the site, and our staff would sign the patients up, and get consent. Heather would look at the tissue and take what she required, so logistically it was very easy for us, we didn’t have to do anything. There was compensation for this, and there was discussion if that was legal, they have been paying by the case, and there was some discussion about do we, in a different way, or I don’t know what you’re used to doing, how you’re used to doing compensation.Planned Parenthood didn't have to do anything. You know, except for palm the cash.In fact, this is routinely what Planned Parenthood does - performing abortions in one room while the third-party tissue harvesters are in the very next room sifting through the remains. And yet, Planned Parenthood still gets their cut - I guess $500 million a year just isn't enough.so it is just the S&H then? i mean you made it sound like they were charging an arm and a leg for arms and legs
Quote from: mocat on October 01, 2015, 01:50:25 PMthe "for profit" part seems to be what ksuw disapproves of the most. has there been any evidence of this? oh and covering the S&H doesn't count as profitMoCat, have you ever sold something on ebay, or listened to an infomercial? Call in the next 5 minutes and we'll double you order of baby heads for FREE* Just pay separate shipping and handling. It's all a matter of semantics. Fees for shipping, handling, processing, etc. are a great way to make money, or as one Planned Parenthood exec said, "do a little better than break even."Another comment was even more telling:QuoteSo Heather, a Novogenix person would come to the site, and our staff would sign the patients up, and get consent. Heather would look at the tissue and take what she required, so logistically it was very easy for us, we didn’t have to do anything. There was compensation for this, and there was discussion if that was legal, they have been paying by the case, and there was some discussion about do we, in a different way, or I don’t know what you’re used to doing, how you’re used to doing compensation.Planned Parenthood didn't have to do anything. You know, except for palm the cash.In fact, this is routinely what Planned Parenthood does - performing abortions in one room while the third-party tissue harvesters are in the very next room sifting through the remains. And yet, Planned Parenthood still gets their cut - I guess $500 million a year just isn't enough.
the "for profit" part seems to be what ksuw disapproves of the most. has there been any evidence of this? oh and covering the S&H doesn't count as profit
So Heather, a Novogenix person would come to the site, and our staff would sign the patients up, and get consent. Heather would look at the tissue and take what she required, so logistically it was very easy for us, we didn’t have to do anything. There was compensation for this, and there was discussion if that was legal, they have been paying by the case, and there was some discussion about do we, in a different way, or I don’t know what you’re used to doing, how you’re used to doing compensation.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, K-State fans could have beheaded the entire KU team at midcourt, and K-State fans would be celebrating it this morning. They are the ISIS of Big 12 fanbases.
Tell me mocat, what's the shipping and handling involved in transporting a dead baby from one room to another?
why would the republicans make such huge deal when they cant win it?
$50-100 seems like entirely reasonable S&H charges for fetal tissue. Is this whole thing really about PP getting $50-100 each time they ship fetal tissue? gee whiz
is it correct to say there would be no controversy here if the fetal parts where thrown in the trash or flushed down the toilet instead of being [sold] for medical research?
Quote from: puniraptor on October 01, 2015, 02:54:23 PMis it correct to say there would be no controversy here if the fetal parts where thrown in the trash or flushed down the toilet instead of being [sold] for medical research?There's still the little problem of giving $500mil on tax dollars per year to an abortion provider...
Quote from: michigancat on October 01, 2015, 02:26:37 PM$50-100 seems like entirely reasonable S&H charges for fetal tissue. Is this whole thing really about PP getting $50-100 each time they ship fetal tissue? gee whizYou mean "shipping" from one room to the next?
Quote from: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 01, 2015, 03:11:01 PMQuote from: michigancat on October 01, 2015, 02:26:37 PM$50-100 seems like entirely reasonable S&H charges for fetal tissue. Is this whole thing really about PP getting $50-100 each time they ship fetal tissue? gee whizYou mean "shipping" from one room to the next?what the eff does H stand for?
Rick Santorum sums it up perfectly
Quote from: mocat on October 01, 2015, 03:12:32 PMQuote from: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 01, 2015, 03:11:01 PMQuote from: michigancat on October 01, 2015, 02:26:37 PM$50-100 seems like entirely reasonable S&H charges for fetal tissue. Is this whole thing really about PP getting $50-100 each time they ship fetal tissue? gee whizYou mean "shipping" from one room to the next?what the eff does H stand for?
Quote from: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 01, 2015, 03:10:17 PMQuote from: puniraptor on October 01, 2015, 02:54:23 PMis it correct to say there would be no controversy here if the fetal parts where thrown in the trash or flushed down the toilet instead of being [sold] for medical research?There's still the little problem of giving $500mil on tax dollars per year to an abortion provider...we can debate or not whether that money is used on abortions forever, but my question is PP receiving federal $ a new thing, or already a thing?
Quote from: mocat on October 01, 2015, 03:12:32 PMwhat the eff does H stand for?^ the ultimate question for all fans of Tool
what the eff does H stand for?
Quote from: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 01, 2015, 03:10:17 PMQuote from: puniraptor on October 01, 2015, 02:54:23 PMis it correct to say there would be no controversy here if the fetal parts where thrown in the trash or flushed down the toilet instead of being [sold] for medical research?There's still the little problem of giving $500mil on tax dollars per year to an abortion provider...is PP receiving federal $ a new thing, or already a thing?
Quote from: mocat on October 01, 2015, 03:12:02 PMQuote from: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 01, 2015, 03:10:17 PMQuote from: puniraptor on October 01, 2015, 02:54:23 PMis it correct to say there would be no controversy here if the fetal parts where thrown in the trash or flushed down the toilet instead of being [sold] for medical research?There's still the little problem of giving $500mil on tax dollars per year to an abortion provider...is PP receiving federal $ a new thing, or already a thing?ksuw refuses to answer this one
Quote from: mocat on October 02, 2015, 08:36:45 AMQuote from: mocat on October 01, 2015, 03:12:02 PMQuote from: K-S-U-Wildcats! on October 01, 2015, 03:10:17 PMQuote from: puniraptor on October 01, 2015, 02:54:23 PMis it correct to say there would be no controversy here if the fetal parts where thrown in the trash or flushed down the toilet instead of being [sold] for medical research?There's still the little problem of giving $500mil on tax dollars per year to an abortion provider...is PP receiving federal $ a new thing, or already a thing?ksuw refuses to answer this oneAre you surprised?