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Using the relevant example of not standing up for an unborn baby when somebody else chooses to have an abortion: the unborn baby would be the least, in that they are not able to speak for themselves or defend themselves. Me, by being a 3rd party person, should try to help the baby. I am not the person that is with child.
This is what I meant when I said rape complicates things.
Quote from: Dlew12 on September 25, 2015, 12:50:46 PMThis is what I meant when I said rape complicates things.well, not logically. but certainly in practice.
I get what you are saying, but you don't understand the underlying belief that I have that an unborn baby is a tangible person.
I'm amazed that the violinist scenario is a well-known philosophical discussion piece.
Quote from: michigancat on September 25, 2015, 01:02:34 PMI'm amazed that the violinist scenario is a well-known philosophical discussion piece.you didn't like it? i love thought problems like that.
I think I just don't like philosophy in general
Quote from: michigancat on September 25, 2015, 01:09:09 PMI think I just don't like philosophy in generalyou have a weird brain.
why is this 21 pages
Quote from: 42 on September 25, 2015, 01:55:10 PMwhy is this 21 pagesBecause people don't agree whether fetuses are people or not.
Quote from: mocat on September 21, 2015, 04:00:06 PMKSUW, where do you consider the fetus to become a person, if not at birth? (not gE'ing i just want to know)In all honesty, I don't know when that collection of cells becomes a "person" - that may depend upon how you define a person - but I think it is irrelevant, as I'll explain below.First, here are some things that I believe are indisputable:1. On one end of the spectrum, there's birth. But that is an arbitrary and illogical line. Aside from some fluid in the lungs, there is no meaningful difference between a baby 5 minutes prior to birth and 5 minutes after.2. On the other end of the spectrum is conception. That's when human life begins.Then there's "viability." But that's not a very good dividing line, either, because (1) the time of viability keeps getting pushed earlier and earlier with advances in medicine (another reason why blind adherence to cases like Roe v Wade, based on antiquated technology, is absurd and why justices shouldn't be concocting laws in the first place), and (2) viability is premised on the theory that the life can survive outside the womb, but a full term baby can't survive without support. Neither can a toddler, or most full grown liberals.Therefore, I err on the side of life. I don't think it is my place to play God in deciding when that life becomes a "person" or otherwise deserves protection. So I start at the beginning. Human life begins at conception, and I believe it is evil to kill human life.
KSUW, where do you consider the fetus to become a person, if not at birth? (not gE'ing i just want to know)
I've said it before and I'll say it again, K-State fans could have beheaded the entire KU team at midcourt, and K-State fans would be celebrating it this morning. They are the ISIS of Big 12 fanbases.
Quote from: MakeItRain on September 25, 2015, 11:42:21 AMQuote from: Trim on September 25, 2015, 11:40:57 AMAre anti-abortionists all running homeless shelters out of their homes and sending food to 3rd-world countries on the reg to make sure all those tangible people don't die too?There's no money to be made from the conservative agenda setters in doing that.You keep alluding to this. Care to explain?
Quote from: Trim on September 25, 2015, 11:40:57 AMAre anti-abortionists all running homeless shelters out of their homes and sending food to 3rd-world countries on the reg to make sure all those tangible people don't die too?There's no money to be made from the conservative agenda setters in doing that.
Are anti-abortionists all running homeless shelters out of their homes and sending food to 3rd-world countries on the reg to make sure all those tangible people don't die too?
I am conflicted about abortion but I feel I have to be 100% pro choice because of the political implications of being pro life.
Quote from: MakeItRain on September 25, 2015, 02:21:53 PMI am conflicted about abortion but I feel I have to be 100% pro choice because of the political implications of being pro life.you should not feel this way.
I spend more time and resources trying to help "least" that are not unborn than I do with "least" that are unborn. Doesn't make one or the other less important or less of a person. Gonna win 'em all!
