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Quote from: sys on August 03, 2016, 11:13:54 AMthere are more than two candidates you can vote for, but there are only two that can win.of course. and what I would love is for the outside parties to slowly gain market share, so that someday my kids don't have a 2 horse race. its a long play but still
there are more than two candidates you can vote for, but there are only two that can win.
in the end, EMAW will always win.
human beings are very stupid and need a "good v evil" to process everything, cf3
Quote from: Sundance»¤«Kid on August 03, 2016, 10:50:21 AMIn this two horse race, I'll be voting for someone I detest because the other scares the crap out of me. That's a sad state of affairs.why does everyone just lap up the notion of a 2 horse race?
In this two horse race, I'll be voting for someone I detest because the other scares the crap out of me. That's a sad state of affairs.
Quote from: Emo EMAW on August 03, 2016, 10:51:34 AMQuote from: Sundance»¤«Kid on August 03, 2016, 10:49:15 AMQuote from: SkinnyBenny on August 03, 2016, 10:15:40 AMTime to do a roll call of posters on this blogsite who are still gonna vote Trump. 'nounce yo'selfI'm more curious who is voting for Donald because they think he represents them or will make a good president vs. those that just want to make sure it's not Hillary or status quo.I don't think you appropriately captured both sides of this Venn diagram.Ok. Well clean it up for me or tell me where I messed up please.
Quote from: Sundance»¤«Kid on August 03, 2016, 10:49:15 AMQuote from: SkinnyBenny on August 03, 2016, 10:15:40 AMTime to do a roll call of posters on this blogsite who are still gonna vote Trump. 'nounce yo'selfI'm more curious who is voting for Donald because they think he represents them or will make a good president vs. those that just want to make sure it's not Hillary or status quo.I don't think you appropriately captured both sides of this Venn diagram.
Quote from: SkinnyBenny on August 03, 2016, 10:15:40 AMTime to do a roll call of posters on this blogsite who are still gonna vote Trump. 'nounce yo'selfI'm more curious who is voting for Donald because they think he represents them or will make a good president vs. those that just want to make sure it's not Hillary or status quo.
Time to do a roll call of posters on this blogsite who are still gonna vote Trump. 'nounce yo'self
Quote from: Cartierfor3 on August 03, 2016, 10:58:56 AMQuote from: Sundance»¤«Kid on August 03, 2016, 10:50:21 AMIn this two horse race, I'll be voting for someone I detest because the other scares the crap out of me. That's a sad state of affairs.why does everyone just lap up the notion of a 2 horse race?I agree cf3. Vote your conscience
Quote from: Sundance»¤«Kid on August 03, 2016, 10:54:30 AMQuote from: Emo EMAW on August 03, 2016, 10:51:34 AMQuote from: Sundance»¤«Kid on August 03, 2016, 10:49:15 AMQuote from: SkinnyBenny on August 03, 2016, 10:15:40 AMTime to do a roll call of posters on this blogsite who are still gonna vote Trump. 'nounce yo'selfI'm more curious who is voting for Donald because they think he represents them or will make a good president vs. those that just want to make sure it's not Hillary or status quo.I don't think you appropriately captured both sides of this Venn diagram.Ok. Well clean it up for me or tell me where I messed up please.You didn't include special interest folks.You didn't include folks that think he would make a better president than Hillary at some things that are important to them (not necessarily special interests).
Quote from: Emo EMAW on August 03, 2016, 11:28:48 AMQuote from: Sundance»¤«Kid on August 03, 2016, 10:54:30 AMQuote from: Emo EMAW on August 03, 2016, 10:51:34 AMQuote from: Sundance»¤«Kid on August 03, 2016, 10:49:15 AMQuote from: SkinnyBenny on August 03, 2016, 10:15:40 AMTime to do a roll call of posters on this blogsite who are still gonna vote Trump. 'nounce yo'selfI'm more curious who is voting for Donald because they think he represents them or will make a good president vs. those that just want to make sure it's not Hillary or status quo.I don't think you appropriately captured both sides of this Venn diagram.Ok. Well clean it up for me or tell me where I messed up please.You didn't include special interest folks.You didn't include folks that think he would make a better president than Hillary at some things that are important to them (not necessarily special interests).Fair enough. But I think most of those two things could fit into my first circle, better president and represents them.
Quote from: Sundance»¤«Kid on August 03, 2016, 11:33:04 AMQuote from: Emo EMAW on August 03, 2016, 11:28:48 AMQuote from: Sundance»¤«Kid on August 03, 2016, 10:54:30 AMQuote from: Emo EMAW on August 03, 2016, 10:51:34 AMQuote from: Sundance»¤«Kid on August 03, 2016, 10:49:15 AMQuote from: SkinnyBenny on August 03, 2016, 10:15:40 AMTime to do a roll call of posters on this blogsite who are still gonna vote Trump. 'nounce yo'selfI'm more curious who is voting for Donald because they think he represents them or will make a good president vs. those that just want to make sure it's not Hillary or status quo.I don't think you appropriately captured both sides of this Venn diagram.Ok. Well clean it up for me or tell me where I messed up please.You didn't include special interest folks.You didn't include folks that think he would make a better president than Hillary at some things that are important to them (not necessarily special interests).Fair enough. But I think most of those two things could fit into my first circle, better president and represents them.Also someone could be both of the things you mentioned.
Quote from: Emo EMAW on August 03, 2016, 11:34:04 AMQuote from: Sundance»¤«Kid on August 03, 2016, 11:33:04 AMQuote from: Emo EMAW on August 03, 2016, 11:28:48 AMQuote from: Sundance»¤«Kid on August 03, 2016, 10:54:30 AMQuote from: Emo EMAW on August 03, 2016, 10:51:34 AMQuote from: Sundance»¤«Kid on August 03, 2016, 10:49:15 AMQuote from: SkinnyBenny on August 03, 2016, 10:15:40 AMTime to do a roll call of posters on this blogsite who are still gonna vote Trump. 'nounce yo'selfI'm more curious who is voting for Donald because they think he represents them or will make a good president vs. those that just want to make sure it's not Hillary or status quo.I don't think you appropriately captured both sides of this Venn diagram.Ok. Well clean it up for me or tell me where I messed up please.You didn't include special interest folks.You didn't include folks that think he would make a better president than Hillary at some things that are important to them (not necessarily special interests).Fair enough. But I think most of those two things could fit into my first circle, better president and represents them.Also someone could be both of the things you mentioned.Ok. Well I think it's you and cat27. So why will you be voting for Mr. Trump?
of course. and what I would love is for the outside parties to slowly gain market share, so that someday my kids don't have a 2 horse race. its a long play but still
I'm seriously sick of this self fulfilling prophecy, though. It's the same mindset that has tried to suppress every worthwhile movement: "Sure, change would be nice but it's not like there is much we can do to make a difference with so many other people currently entrenched."
John Harwood reports that Paul Manafort, the supposed adult in charge of the campaign who can curtail the candidate’s self-destructive impulses, is “not challenging Trump anymore. Mailing it in,” and the other staff is (metaphorically, one assumes) “suicidal.” Ali Vitali confirms Harwood’s report, and adds that the situation is “way worse than people realize.” According to Dana Bash, these staffers “feel like they are wasting their time.”This is sad for the Trump staffers, who have worked so hard to give an unstable demagogue control of the executive branch.
I'm fairly confident that Citizens United will get reversed after Hillary gets to pick a couple of justices, anyway. No need to give money to Wolf Pac.
If you and others honestly want that, you need to support something that gets money under control in the campaign process. Check out Wolf Pac. http://www.wolf-pac.com/
Quote from: CNS on August 03, 2016, 11:43:44 AMIf you and others honestly want that, you need to support something that gets money under control in the campaign process. Check out Wolf Pac. http://www.wolf-pac.com/proportional representation would make about a million times more of a difference than "getting money under control".
I don't believe that any will until the money is changed. There is zero incentive to change until the representation of actual constituents means more to individual campaigns, and the parties themselves, than they do now.