Brad Underwood isn't coming to KState...

[asava]

Some desire for Underwood isn't what gets me. What baffles me is how people act like it's a given that he's a slam dunk hire that we'd be crazy to pass up.

yes

I was all over BBB, but I agree with this.

I'm stunned that you and rusty can be this obtuse. That's not what this was about and I'm surprised you guys don't recognize that.

What is it about?

Because I think it's about KSU fans being so small-timey that a large contingent of its fanbase has convinced itself that if we don't hire a low-major coach in his 50's who played on a shitty KSU team THIRTY YEARS AGO we are doomed to eternal failure. Like, this was the only opportunity we will ever have to be kinda good and the mean old AD shocked us by taking kinda goodness away from us with this news. Golly gee, guess the best we can hope for Steve Henson.

How do you not understand for most of the people you're degenerating that Brad is a secondary storyline? If we weren't stuck with Weber/Currie/Schulz and Brad became available there wouldn't have been this much uproar. If we heard that Buzz Williams was interested in K-State this same thing would have happened. The alumni piece of this is relevant because he was a bona fide hot coaching prospect that actually wants to be here. There isn't a fan base in the country that wouldn't be excited if they were struggling and they had a shot at the best candidate on the market.

I don't usually agree on much, but this is pretty spot on. However,

Also I'd understand your point if of the narrative was about what Brad was going to do for us. The narrative never got beyond, "fire oscar, hire Brad." No one talked about the recruits he will bring or the conference titles he will win. Your "chill out rubes he isn't John Wooden or Coach K" tone is inappropriate and disingenuous.

Generally this is the standard at this blog, so I don't think we can get upset about it.

Sidebar: @chum1 ->

[asava]

Thinking that Underwood could be the mechanism to force Currie's hand with regard to oscar is way crazier than thinking that Underwood is a slam dunk hire.

Well no one really thought either but keep barking at your own shadow

Bullshit. Plenty of people thought each. But I was largely explaining why I would naturally assume that people were acting like Underwood was a slam dunk hire - because the alternatives are just way more crazy.

Nope. No one acted like Brad was a "slam dunk hire" they thought he was the right hire, slam dunk hire is a cute little malleable phase though that you can sculpt to fit your agenda. Also no one thought Brad would force Currie's hand, people did think Brad was the guy who would have had the Johnson's, the Ice's, and their ilk hold Currie's feet to the fire and he certainly was the guy to re-engage Garth Gardiner.

I'm not into this sort of nitpicking. ("Right hire" is okay, but "slam dunk" isn't?)

So, please just substitute everything you said for everything I said. It's all very out of touch with reality.

he's not nitpicking, he's arguing.  nitpicking is just a cute little malleable phrase that you've sculpted to fit your agenda.  quit being so obtuse.

I've been out of the game for a long time, but it's nice to see that 'clams is still reign supreme.

[DOD Take 2]

I thought Underwood was a slam dunk 

He seemed to have all the intangibles to go with his winning record: seemed to really care about his players, teams play tough, loyal guy. Just have a gut feeling that he's going to be one that's really, really good.

['taterblast]

Huggins was a slam dunk hire and we won't ever see anything like it again

[steve dave]

Huggins was a slam dunk hire and we won't ever see anything like it again

Frank Martin was a slam dunk hire as well.

['taterblast]

Huggins was a slam dunk hire and we won't ever see anything like it again

Frank Martin was a slam dunk hire as well.

break away lay up

[mocat]

Frank was like a 360 windmill. Like if it works, amazing, but it easily could have failed pretty LOLly

[nicname]

Though probably not true for much of the fan base, I think for myself and a lot of people around here the thought/hope that Underwood could bring us back to what we had under Huggins/Frank was huge.

I'm talking style of play, toughness and success. While not the character Frank is, the product on the floor and the winner's attitude on the sideline would go a long way to returning out fan base to the rabid level it was before Currie -- by way of oscar -- began destroying it.

Really, it probably would have been better. We would have had all the positives of the Frank tenure without what some (tucks) perceived as negative. We also wouldn't have been worried about him bouncing somewhere else if he was successful.

Doesn't matter now tho.

KSU will likely rise again sometime in the relatively near future, and it will probably be fun, but it won't be the same as a return to what we had under Frank.

[kso_FAN]

Though probably not true for much of the fan base, I think for myself and a lot of people around here the thought/hope that Underwood could bring us back to what we had under Huggins/Frank was huge.

I'm talking style of play, toughness and success. While not the character Frank is, the product on the floor and the winner's attitude on the sideline would go a long way to returning out fan base to the rabid level it was before Currie -- by way of oscar -- began destroying it.

Really, it probably would have been better. We would have had all the positives of the Frank tenure without what some (tucks) perceived as negative. We also wouldn't have been worried about him bouncing somewhere else if he was successful.

Doesn't matter now tho.

KSU will likely rise again sometime in the relatively near future, and it will probably be fun, but it won't be the same as a return to what we had under Frank.

I agree with that.

But who knows, our next good run might be better than Frank!

[pissclams]

too many of you guys attach your k-state hoops fandom to frank martin, it's not a good look

[michigancat]

Though probably not true for much of the fan base, I think for myself and a lot of people around here the thought/hope that Underwood could bring us back to what we had under Huggins/Frank was huge.

I'm talking style of play, toughness and success. While not the character Frank is, the product on the floor and the winner's attitude on the sideline would go a long way to returning out fan base to the rabid level it was before Currie -- by way of oscar -- began destroying it.

Really, it probably would have been better. We would have had all the positives of the Frank tenure without what some (tucks) perceived as negative. We also wouldn't have been worried about him bouncing somewhere else if he was successful.

Doesn't matter now tho.

KSU will likely rise again sometime in the relatively near future, and it will probably be fun, but it won't be the same as a return to what we had under Frank.

If Underwood was as successful as you imagine he would absolutely be a risk to leave for a better job.

[nicname]

Though probably not true for much of the fan base, I think for myself and a lot of people around here the thought/hope that Underwood could bring us back to what we had under Huggins/Frank was huge.

I'm talking style of play, toughness and success. While not the character Frank is, the product on the floor and the winner's attitude on the sideline would go a long way to returning out fan base to the rabid level it was before Currie -- by way of oscar -- began destroying it.

Really, it probably would have been better. We would have had all the positives of the Frank tenure without what some (tucks) perceived as negative. We also wouldn't have been worried about him bouncing somewhere else if he was successful.

Doesn't matter now tho.

KSU will likely rise again sometime in the relatively near future, and it will probably be fun, but it won't be the same as a return to what we had under Frank.

If Underwood was as successful as you imagine he would absolutely be a risk to leave for a better job.

Nah.

[michigancat]

Though probably not true for much of the fan base, I think for myself and a lot of people around here the thought/hope that Underwood could bring us back to what we had under Huggins/Frank was huge.

I'm talking style of play, toughness and success. While not the character Frank is, the product on the floor and the winner's attitude on the sideline would go a long way to returning out fan base to the rabid level it was before Currie -- by way of oscar -- began destroying it.

Really, it probably would have been better. We would have had all the positives of the Frank tenure without what some (tucks) perceived as negative. We also wouldn't have been worried about him bouncing somewhere else if he was successful.

Doesn't matter now tho.

KSU will likely rise again sometime in the relatively near future, and it will probably be fun, but it won't be the same as a return to what we had under Frank.

If Underwood was as successful as you imagine he would absolutely be a risk to leave for a better job.

Nah.

You're adorable

[nicname]

Though probably not true for much of the fan base, I think for myself and a lot of people around here the thought/hope that Underwood could bring us back to what we had under Huggins/Frank was huge.

I'm talking style of play, toughness and success. While not the character Frank is, the product on the floor and the winner's attitude on the sideline would go a long way to returning out fan base to the rabid level it was before Currie -- by way of oscar -- began destroying it.

Really, it probably would have been better. We would have had all the positives of the Frank tenure without what some (tucks) perceived as negative. We also wouldn't have been worried about him bouncing somewhere else if he was successful.

Doesn't matter now tho.

KSU will likely rise again sometime in the relatively near future, and it will probably be fun, but it won't be the same as a return to what we had under Frank.

If Underwood was as successful as you imagine he would absolutely be a risk to leave for a better job.

Nah.

You're adorable

I'd be interested in your thoughts as to why. My guess is there are more points in favor of not being a risk than being one. It's not really close.

[ksupamplemousse]

John Currie put an expiration date on his time at K-State with the way things went down over the last week. Brad wasn't the lever to force him to play his hand right now, but it did make him double down on oscar. He's not long for the road here. Doesn't matter how much the Animal likes him. Much of the support that was keeping oscar and John above water is gone now. Some people (certainly not the majority of defectors though) are going back to supporting them after BBB didn't work out, but looking at things from the other side's perspective has weakened their renewed support. We'll have a new AD and basketball coach probably within the next two years. The last week was good for Cats bball in the long run, bummer that Brad didn't get his shot though, he deserved it.

[michigancat]

I'd be interested in your thoughts as to why. My guess is there are more points in favor of not being a risk than being one. It's not really close.

You're interested to know why a successful KSU coach might consider a better job? The seemingly obvious answer is to win at a higher level.

[ksupamplemousse]

I'd be interested in your thoughts as to why. My guess is there are more points in favor of not being a risk than being one. It's not really close.

You're interested to know why a successful KSU coach might consider a better job? The seemingly obvious answer is to win at a higher level.

It depends on what motivates you as a human being. Gottlieb the other day was talking about Brad's desire to really only coach in two states, because they fit him as a person, Oklahoma and Kansas. I think P5 basketball in a place that he enjoys is probably all that he's looking for, it's not like OSU plays in a different tourney than UNC or UK. Really doubt he leaves OSU if successful. He can coach into his 60s and retire a legend if things go well. Seems to fit his personality. Never really seemed like a ladder climber. I mean, he took a non-coaching job just to make it back to his alma mater. He's not your typical dude.

[asava]

I'd be interested in your thoughts as to why. My guess is there are more points in favor of not being a risk than being one. It's not really close.

You're interested to know why a successful KSU coach might consider a better job? The seemingly obvious answer is to win at a higher level.

The real question here is, "who gives a crap if the guy wins a ton of games for us and then decides to coach somewhere else?"

[wetwillie]

Brad would have retired here.

[michigancat]

I'd be interested in your thoughts as to why. My guess is there are more points in favor of not being a risk than being one. It's not really close.

You're interested to know why a successful KSU coach might consider a better job? The seemingly obvious answer is to win at a higher level.

It depends on what motivates you as a human being. Gottlieb the other day was talking about Brad's desire to really only coach in two states, because they fit him as a person, Oklahoma and Kansas. I think P5 basketball in a place that he enjoys is probably all that he's looking for, it's not like OSU plays in a different tourney than UNC or UK. Really doubt he leaves OSU if successful. He can coach into his 60s and retire a legend if things go well. Seems to fit his personality. Never really seemed like a ladder climber. I mean, he took a non-coaching job just to make it back to his alma mater. He's not your typical dude.

There is nothing magical about coaching in Oklahoma or Kansas, even to Brad Underwood. You're assuming a lot about his personality that fits your narrative that this is exactly where he wants to be and isn't into ladder climbing, despite the fact that he has moved 4 times in the last 10 years for coaching jobs (including LEAVING the place you claim he loves so much because of his unique personality). He is absolutely your typical ladder-climbing coaching dude.

As for taking DOBO, he was a juco coach in northern Florida. It was a no-brainer move. He would likely be wallowing in the NJCAA or as a mid-major assistant if not for Huggs and Blake Young. He was incredibly lucky to get offered that job. (And to be fair, he's made the most of it.)

I'd be interested in your thoughts as to why. My guess is there are more points in favor of not being a risk than being one. It's not really close.

You're interested to know why a successful KSU coach might consider a better job? The seemingly obvious answer is to win at a higher level.

The real question here is, "who gives a crap if the guy wins a ton of games for us and then decides to coach somewhere else?"

Yes

[star seed 7]

not sure it was his choice to leave ksu last time

[michigancat]

not sure it was his choice to leave ksu last time

Everyone claims he was offered an assistant position

[star seed 7]

i have never heard that 

[sys]

the story is that he was offered a demotion.  that currie and underwood had an agreement that he'd stay as assoc head coach @ x dollars and then currie/weber hired gave lowery the assoc head coach position and offered underwood 2nd or 3rd assistant @ x-y dollars.

[slobber]

the story is that he was offered a demotion.  that currie and underwood had an agreement that he'd stay as assoc head coach @ x dollars and then currie/weber hired gave lowery the assoc head coach position and offered underwood 2nd or 3rd assistant @ x-y dollars.

what if y was a negative number? That would have been a pretty crazy offer!


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