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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: Bookcat on March 30, 2015, 03:12:17 PM
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because he got another job. (rumors) :whistle1:
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He isn't coming to kstate because oscar is here for another 5 years
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because he got another job. (rumors) :whistle1:
Wasn't aware we had a job opening, dumbass.
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He isn't coming to kstate because oscar is here for another 5 years
Five years?
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Well crap guys
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did Bama just take a zero off 3g's contract and send it to Brad?
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bookcat, feed me inside scoop via PM from your Undy source. tia.
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:Wha:
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if currie can't hire him away from his new job, then fire currie.
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This is like an Alanis Morrisette song
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:shooturmouth:
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:rolleyes:
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:Wha:
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if you think oscar is a dumpster fire at k-state, then guess what. you would think underwood is a giant volcano spewing red hot lava for hundreds of miles (while at k-state).
an posters live in johnson county? 110 miles away from mhk. think about it.
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I need to know if Brad would be bringing Dalonte back with him before I do anything.
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I really appreciate that someone had the wherewithal to pin this thread
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I need to know if Brad would be bringing Dalonte back with him before I do anything.
if you want him to, then he will. brad will be all things to all people.
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a thread started by bookcat gets pinned, this blog is a rough ridin' joke
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Shame on you heartless mean realistic bastards. Dashing the dreams of naive dreaming fans who knew santa would come early and stuff Brad down our purple sewer pipe. Instead you crap in the wedding puuunch bowl. oscar appears to be it for the near term. Our dreams rest on him.
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puuunch
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a thread started by bookcat gets pinned, this blog is a rough ridin' joke
Rick Daris is drunk with power
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puuunch
I thought that was pretty good too
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a thread started by bookcat gets pinned, this blog is a rough ridin' joke
Rick Daris is drunk with power
must have spiked the puuunch
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Brad will come home when the time is right.
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ESPN article says Brad is going to interview at FloodAggie. Somebody post some party pics of Brad so FloodAggie doesn't hire him before we can.
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ESPN article says Brad is going to interview at FloodAggie. Somebody post some party pics of Brad so FloodAggie doesn't hire him before we can.
This would break my heart.
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ESPN article says Brad is going to interview at FloodAggie. Somebody post some party pics of Brad so FloodAggie doesn't hire him before we can.
This would break my heart.
What if I guaranteed you he won't take the mold Aggie job?
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Got a new hardwood floor here at SFA, and they are putting the finishing touches on it, something familiar about this floor design?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKtkgaXUwAA_rVx.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIdbUyLUwAALo2a.jpg)
https://youtu.be/Lg4V3tfdDiw (https://youtu.be/Lg4V3tfdDiw)
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Got a new hardwood floor here at SFA, and they are putting the finishing touches on it, something familiar about this floor design?
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKtkgaXUwAA_rVx.jpg)
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CIdbUyLUwAALo2a.jpg)
https://youtu.be/Lg4V3tfdDiw (https://youtu.be/Lg4V3tfdDiw)
Take good care of the KS kid that ya'll picked up. Stephens is a good kid who does things the right way.
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we provide baskets at P5 gyms
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That's exactly why Coach Underwood recruits in Kansas.
G:#15 Payton Stephens 6-4; 215 McPherson, Kansas (McPherson) (Fr.)
Prior to SFA: Attended McPherson High School, averaged 16.1 points, 4.8 rebounds and 1.7 assists per game as a senior ... Led McPherson to 2015 4A Kansas State Championship with a 25-0 record ... Named Kansas State Tournament Most Outstanding Player ... First team All-State selection ... Named to KBCA All-State team.
F: #23 Nathan Bain 6-6; 200 Bel Aire, Kansas (Sunrise Christian Academy) (Fr.)
Prior to SFA: A McDonald All-American Nominee, who attended Sunrise Christian Academy in Bel Aire, Kansas ... A three-star recruit according to rivals.com ... Bain posted a 69-9 record through three years with the Buffaloes ... Entering the 2015 season, SCA was ranked as one of the top five schools in the country at the prep level ... Bain was coached by Kyle Lindsted.
And now his son is on the team...
G: #30 Tyler Underwood 6-1; 160 Nacogdoches, Texas (Nacogdoches) (Fr.)
Prior to SFA: Attended Nacogdoches High School, averaged 21.0 points, 4.0 rebounds, 3.0 assists and 3.0 steals per game as a senior ... Two-time All-District first team selection ... Two-time Academic All-District honoree ... Holds Nacogdoches records for career 3-pointers, and 3-pointers and steals in a season.
Just graduated...
G: #31 Connor Brooks 6-4; 190 Manhattan, Kansas
Currently recruiting G: Darien Jackson 6-2; 172 Overland Park, Kansas (Blue Valley Northwest)
Catch all Lumberjack home games on ESPN3 (another reason why we are cleaning up the place)
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Done
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Looks pretty good bud
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Brad wants his court to be dressed for the job he wants.
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That's a court Tammie Jan can be proud of.
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Brad wants his court to be dressed for the job he wants.
They could use a new scoreboard though, but everyone can't be as elite as us. It's understandable.
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Stop being mean to sfa, it makes you look like a huge idiot
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Actually the university's board just approved almost $50 million for a list of new stuff including the purchase of athletic video and scoring system upgrades from Daktronics so we will see.
Also hear we are taking down the purple wall that surrounds the court to bring seating closer to the court and to expand capacity to over 7,500.
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Cool. Glad to see success is leading to capital improvements!
Gonna win 'em all!
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:thumbs:
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Also hear we are taking down the purple wall that surrounds the court to bring seating closer to the court and to expand capacity to over 7,500.
Good stuff SFAXE. Now maybe tell Texas State to take down their GIANT rough ridin' WALL :don'tcare:
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Yes, $3 Million for upgrades for BB and FB
Instead of the existing video boards at each end of the court, SFA will construct a four-sided hanging board in the center.
It will be an entirely digital screen, allowing a portion of it to display statistics, but also permitting a true full-screen look during instant replays. The new screens will measure 16? by 11? and on top of camera upgrades (all video equipment will now be high-definition), the pixel quality should be vastly improved.
Court-side tables will also be furnished with LED displays that will show sponsorship messages and allow for a more enticing and graphically pleasing game day experience.
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is that a burger king crown?
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CKH7xmpUsAAlXaM.jpg)
* New court
* New scoreboards
* Deal with ESPN3 to broadcast all home games
* New campus sports broadcasting studio & control room
* 3 straight Conference Championships and 2 straight NCAA Tourney Appearances
* Deepest and most talented team yet in SFA history for 2015-16 Season
Coach Underwood and AD ready to take the Lumberjacks to the next level.
Probably our last season to have coach Underwood, so have got to make it an attractive job.
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it's definitely your last year to have him if you let him fly your planes around
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:lol:
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lol
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Stephens kid is first bulletpoint. Well done.
Gonna win 'em all!
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Also hear we are taking down the purple wall that surrounds the court to bring seating closer to the court and to expand capacity to over 7,500.
Good stuff SFAXE. Now maybe tell Texas State to take down their GIANT rough ridin' WALL :don'tcare:
we're working on it
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Here is what it will look like. Getting a new football one too Top 30 in the nation in size.
http://www.sfajacks.com/genrel/080615aab.html
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Looks great bud
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Just want to point out that bookcat really delivered in this thread
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Brad will come home when the time is right.
:peek:
:buh-bye:
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Brad will come home when the time is right.
:peek:
:buh-bye:
:Take the Bait:
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until then...
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I will be rooting for u to beat baylor
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The Freshmen and JUCO transfer class that Underwood has brought in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=146&v=NmeknkKnKeU
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#32 Jovan Grujic 7-0; 225 Pancevo, Serbia (Member of the U19 Serbia team. Had offers from Texas Tech, UNLV, and Rhode Island.
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#5 Lasani Johnson 6-1; 178 Dallas, Texas (*** Rivals; Son of former NBA star Larry Johnson; He scored 63 points against Copperas Cove in the Dallas ISD Tournament.
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#23 Nathan Bain 6-6; 200 Freeport, Bahamas (Sunrise Christian Kansas) (*** Rivals; McDonald All-American Nominee)
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#22 TJ Holyfield 6-8; 210 Albuquerque, New Mexico (Elv8 Sports Institute Florida) (Had offers from Southern Mississippi, Florida Atlantic, Pittsburgh, Boston College) Brother Michael Holyfield (SLC Defensive POY) plays at SLC rival Sam Houston State
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#35 JaQuan Smith 6-9; 250 Baltimore, Maryland (All-Conference player at Northern Oklahoma College; Holds single season school records for Blocks (95) and career (151) Offers from Louisiana Tech, North Carolina State, Iona, Middle Tenn. State.)
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#2 CJ Williams 6-7; 240 chowder Springs, Georgia (** Rivals #36 player in the state ESPN)
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#15 Payton Stephens 6-4; 215 McPherson, Kansas (1st Team All-State; Kansas State Tournament MVP; KBCA All-State)
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#24 Johnny Dahl 6-4; 195 Keokuk, Iowa (3X All-State; Southeast Conference POY)
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#30 Tyler Underwood 6-1; 160 Nacogdoches, Texas (Son of Coach Underwood; 2X First Team All-District; School record holder in career 3-pointers; 3-pointers in a season and steals in a season.
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i wonder how many teams have a spawn of larry johnson on the roster
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I might just watch jacks bball this year.
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Returning Players
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#0 Thomas Walkup 6-4; 195 (Sr.) Pasadena, Texas (SLC POY; AP All-American)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubJFFWwrrKQ
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#1 Demetrious Floyd 5-11; 170 (Sr.) St. Louis, Missouri (41.5% from 3-point 51 made) ranked #41 best JUCO prospect
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#3 Jared Johnson 6-0; 170 (Sr.) Columbia, South Carolina (41.1% from 3-point 46 made)
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#10 Trey Pinkney 5-9; 160 (Sr.) Katy, Texas (300 assists; 100 steals)
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#11 Clide Geffrard 6-5; 220 (Sr.) Pompano Beach, Florida
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#12 Dallas Cameron 6-3; 180 (Jr.) Pompano Beach, Florida (** Rivals) 92 Assists; 29 steals off the bench
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#4 Ty Charles 6-5; 190 (So.) Kennedale, Texas (*** Rivals) #33 Player in State
Amazing job
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Accolades:
• 2014 Joe B. Hall Award Recipient (nation's top first-year coach)
• 2014 Jim Phelan Award Finalist (top Division I coach)
• 2014 and 2015 Hugh Durham Award Finalist (top mid-major coach)
• 2014 Texas Association of Basketball Coaches (TABC) Coach of the Year
• 2013-14 and 2014-15 NABC UPS Division I District 23 Coach of the Year
• 2013-14 and 2014-15 Southland Conference Coach of the Year
Underwood, the 11th head coach in Stephen F. Austin history, enters his third season at the helm of the Lumberjack men's basketball team. Underwood has the `Jacks coming off of its second-straight NCAA Tournament Appearance and has etched his name in the NCAA record books with the most wins through two seasons as a head coach (61-8; 35-1).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HHp4_K0KdmM
Catch the Jacks on all your mobile devices (as ESPN3 broadcasts all SFA home games) Baylor game will be on ESPN2 7:00 P.M. 11/3/15 live from Waco.
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Underwood looks great in purple.
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Sitting in the Ferrell Center watching SFA get beat down by Bailer.... The Bears can name the score vs our tiggers.
We'll be lucky to score :cry:
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Not a good start for Brad...
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Not a good start for Brad...
https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/666633319610785793
Seems to be the norm for him.
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Not a good start for Brad...
https://twitter.com/jeffborzello/status/666633319610785793
Seems to be the norm for him.
Sounds like a weak conference schedule to me.
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Not a good start for Brad...
No one should have to answer for losing a road game against a good team that tips at 7 am.
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Not a good start for Brad...
No one should have to answer for losing a road game against a good team that tips at 7 am.
That's fair. I was mainly surprised by the margin against Baylor at the time. Losing by 42 is pretty crazy for a program that good.
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Welp. I can't spin today's loss. There will be no talk of a SFA at large this year.
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Welp. I can't spin today's loss. There will be no talk of a SFA at large this year.
Who is off to a worse start, Brad or Gregg?
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Welp. I can't spin today's loss. There will be no talk of a SFA at large this year.
Who is off to a worse start, Brad or Gregg?
Both, unbelievably, have only 1 D1 win after 5 games but Brad definitely has the worse losses.
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Longest active winning streak in the nation. 21-5. Crushing it in their conference. Probably cruising to yet another NCAA tourney bid.
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They won't get an at large bid this year if they lose in the conference tourney like they would have last year.
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He is on pace to lose more games than he did last year and last year he lost more games than he did the year before :frown: trajecto-meter
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He is on pace to lose more games than he did last year and last year he lost more games than he did the year before :frown: trajecto-meter
:angry:
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He also got destroyed by Baylor. :blank:
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Brad is 0-6 vs P5 opponents at SFA.
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Brad is 0-6 vs P5 opponents at SFA.
Yeah, he hasn't built SFA into a legitimate P5 program yet.
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I think it's time we consider that he might be a SLTH
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Brad would be fine. He isn't stupid enough to take the job and not go find a good recruiter. That said, no way he comes back while Currie is still here. The reason for this is on both sides of that equation, imo.
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if currie can play sandstorm, he can hire underwood.
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i'm really surprised at the love brad gets from some posters on this blog
he really isn't good enough to coach at k-state and we can and should aim a lot higher
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i'm really surprised at the love brad gets from some posters on this blog
he really isn't good enough to coach at k-state and we can and should aim a lot higher
I think it's the fact that he's affiliated to Frank and from KS. Slam dunk material in some posters minds.
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what sucks is he may have had a much greater chance of success because of momentum/continuity in 2012, but that's all gone now
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I don't dislike Brad, but some people act like he has built the next Gonzaga or Butler at SFA. Not necessarily people who post here, just Brad supporters in general.
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Everyone on this board would have bitched if we would have hired him after FM. Fact!
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Everyone on this board would have bitched if we would have hired him after FM. Fact!
i don't think i would have
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Everyone on this board would have bitched if we would have hired him after FM. Fact!
i don't think i would have
IDK man. I remember a lot of ppl thought that it would suck if we did that. A very underwhelming selection, like we got anyways.
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Everyone on this board would have bitched if we would have hired him after FM. Fact!
i don't think i would have
IDK man. I remember a lot of ppl thought that it would suck if we did that. A very underwhelming selection, like we got anyways.
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=20108.msg490911#msg490911 (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=20108.msg490911#msg490911)
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I don't dislike Brad, but some people act like he has built the next Gonzaga or Butler at SFA. Not necessarily people who post here, just Brad supporters in general.
Oh, I think this is a fair point.
But he's winning at a good clip and dominating the level of basketball he's at. He's building recruiting ties into Texas and the Midwest. There is inherent risk with Brad, no doubt, but I think he's worth a shot.
Also, I'd love Kelvin, maybe more than Brad, but I think Brad is more realistic.
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I think Brad has just about reached the peak of what can be done with a Southland Conference basketball program. I would rather he were coaching somewhere else so we'd have a better idea of how good he can be, but I don't think knocking him because he can't beat Baylor with a team he recruited to Stephen F. Austin is very fair.
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I wouldn't be pissed but I don't think he would be our savior. Probably a 60% of the time tourney team and never really challenge for a conference title.
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prob not exactly what was meant, but mean (n = 6) pre-stevens kenpoms at butler was 69, stevens kenpoms (n = 6) = 42.
for sfa, pre-underwood = 165 (n = 12), underwood = 54 (n = 3).
gonzaga was good from before the kenpom era, so there's no relevant comparison.
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he's a k-state cat, he has d1 head coaching experience and has been very successful, including an NCAA tournament win. small sample size, but why are some acting like this wouldn't be a decent hire?
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he's a k-state cat, he has d1 head coaching experience and has been very successful, including an NCAA tournament win. small sample size, but why are some acting like this wouldn't be a decent hire?
Good questions. #BBB
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he's a k-state cat, he has d1 head coaching experience and has been very successful, including an NCAA tournament win. small sample size, but why are some acting like this wouldn't be a decent hire?
It would be a solid long term hire
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it's the only hire.
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Brad seems like a winner and not a loser and that goes a long way for me
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Brad seems like a winner and not a loser and that goes a long way for me
Yes. I need a change from the whining to the media. The one thing Mellinger really nailed was this:
Weber presents himself poorly, both on the sideline and in news conferences, and that stuff is important in modern college athletics, so his inkblot often ends up looking like a coach who is too sensitive and won’t take responsibly for mistakes.
Losing is bad enough, but putting up with this makes it unbearable.
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he's a k-state cat, he has d1 head coaching experience and has been very successful, including an NCAA tournament win. small sample size, but why are some acting like this wouldn't be a decent hire?
that's far less than what oscar had to offer
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he's a k-state cat, he has d1 head coaching experience and has been very successful, including an NCAA tournament win. small sample size, but why are some acting like this wouldn't be a decent hire?
that's far less than what oscar had to offer
i'd say brad is less of a known commodity than oscar when we hired him. there's more potential upside. my opinion.
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He makes a good point about him being a ksu kat.
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he's a k-state cat, he has d1 head coaching experience and has been very successful, including an NCAA tournament win. small sample size, but why are some acting like this wouldn't be a decent hire?
that's far less than what oscar had to offer
i'd say brad is less of a known commodity than oscar when we hired him. there's more potential upside. my opinion.
we're better than a crap shoot is imo
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oscar is worse than a crapshoot
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of course he is
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After having watched the last four years, I 100% would rather have had Brad than oscar.
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Honestly, if Brad is still available in 4 years it means he's not KSU material.
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Honestly, if Brad is still available in 4 years it means he's not KSU material.
not true, you could say the same thing about BV
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i wonder how many teams have a spawn of larry johnson on the roster
What if Brad came to KSU, Lil' Johnson transferred to be a Cat and Larry came to our games? :emawkid:
I, for one, would not be against bringing back some mid-90's teal for Grandmama.
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Apparently Brad hasn't lost a conference game at home in four years.
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Apparently Brad hasn't lost a conference game at home in four years.
But I bet he hires out for lawn service.
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Iirc, he once told a certain KSU beat writer "go eff yourself" when he first got the beat and first approached Hero Brad for some comment on some story.
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Iirc, he once told a certain KSU beat writer "go eff yourself" when he first got the beat and first approached Hero Brad for some comment on some story.
Sounds like a total boss.
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3rd straight Coach of the Year Award for Underwood.
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Is that Walkup related to the Walkup from TAMU a handful of years ago?
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Is that Walkup related to the Walkup from TAMU a handful of years ago?
brother. good question/comment.
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Yes, Nathan Walkup is his older brother
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#0 Thomas Walkup 6-4; 195 (Sr.) 2X SLC Player of the Year
https://twitter.com/SFA_AllAccess/status/672457999760252928
https://twitter.com/SFA_MBB/status/691366918687576064
https://twitter.com/SFA_Athletics/status/704689101576908800
https://twitter.com/mycoskie/status/706319821231665152
https://twitter.com/CODgamerSpades/status/700109466906263553
https://twitter.com/SFA_AllAccess/status/691421497085177856
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Underwood vs. Huggins
Friday Night
https://twitter.com/SFA_MBB/status/709147074873274368
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Could be a good game. They match up decently with WVU. Let's see if Brad can out coach Huggy.
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Will go to.TCU.Oksu as rumored?
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I imagine he's set for osu
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eff that would be embarrassing. Two KState guys coaching in Oklahoma while we're left with a damn clown.
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an Eagles-loving coach is guaranteed to make the round of 32!
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/eye-on-college-basketball/25516255/musical-march-madness-every-ncaa-tournament-coachs-favorite-band
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oscar listens to polka
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LSU
Memphis
OSU
Stanford
TCU
Take your pick...they will all come a calling.
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He is going to continue whipping ass for another year and if his alma mater opens up then he is going there. If it doesn't then he will take best available job next year. Unless he beats Huggins then his Alma mater hires him this year.
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The best and most realistic path for Brad to coach KSU is for him to take one of these major conference jobs that he wouldn't form any bond with and get whatever experience at that level people think is important and then he can jump to KSU when there's new administration.
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The best and most realistic path for Brad to coach KSU is for him to take one of these major conference jobs that he wouldn't form any bond with and get whatever experience at that level people think is important and then he can jump to KSU when there's new administration.
best path is to replace a successful mid-major taking over one of these shitty major conference jobs. It's always better to take over a winner.
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The best and most realistic path for Brad to coach KSU is for him to take one of these major conference jobs that he wouldn't form any bond with and get whatever experience at that level people think is important and then he can jump to KSU when there's new administration.
best path is to replace a successful mid-major taking over one of these shitty major conference jobs. It's always better to take over a winner.
True. I was thinking from the perspective of eliminating any objection (lack of coaching/recruiting at "our level") that anyone could have when a new AD would be considering Brad.
My point is more that I don't think KSU permanently loses out on him if he moves up from SFA to somewhere else now. We couldn't get him for a little while anyway.
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The best and most realistic path for Brad to coach KSU is for him to take one of these major conference jobs that he wouldn't form any bond with and get whatever experience at that level people think is important and then he can jump to KSU when there's new administration.
best path is to replace a successful mid-major taking over one of these shitty major conference jobs. It's always better to take over a winner.
The only jobs that fit that profile are Wichita State and maybe Houston. All of the other mid major schools that could open up are lateral moves at best.
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The only jobs that fit that profile are Wichita State and maybe Houston. All of the other mid major schools that could open up are lateral moves at best.
new seats open when other seats fill.
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The best and most realistic path for Brad to coach KSU is for him to take one of these major conference jobs that he wouldn't form any bond with and get whatever experience at that level people think is important and then he can jump to KSU when there's new administration.
best path is to replace a successful mid-major taking over one of these shitty major conference jobs. It's always better to take over a winner.
The only jobs that fit that profile are Wichita State and maybe Houston. All of the other mid major schools that could open up are lateral moves at best.
No, there are shitloads of mid major jobs better than SFA. Namely, most of them who have coaches leave for better jobs.
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Of course there are a lot of mid major jobs better than SFA. But I don't see a lot of them where Brad would be a good fit opening up this year.
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Of course there are a lot of mid major jobs better than SFA. But I don't see a lot of them where Brad would be a good fit opening up this year.
Are WSU and Houston opening up this year?
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Of course there are a lot of mid major jobs better than SFA. But I don't see a lot of them where Brad would be a good fit opening up this year.
UCF, Tulane, and SLU could all be good natural fits. And the good mid major jobs haven't started opening yet (but they will).
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Of course there are a lot of mid major jobs better than SFA. But I don't see a lot of them where Brad would be a good fit opening up this year.
UCF, Tulane, and SLU could all be good natural fits. And the good mid major jobs haven't started opening yet (but they will).
Those teams won 12, 12, and 11 games this year. Why on earth would Brad subject himself to a rebuild at any of those schools?
Of course there are a lot of mid major jobs better than SFA. But I don't see a lot of them where Brad would be a good fit opening up this year.
Are WSU and Houston opening up this year?
Marshall is always in the conversation for P5 jobs and Sampson won 22 games this year. Both have resumes that warrant a better job IMO.
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Of course there are a lot of mid major jobs better than SFA. But I don't see a lot of them where Brad would be a good fit opening up this year.
UCF, Tulane, and SLU could all be good natural fits. And the good mid major jobs haven't started opening yet (but they will).
Those teams won 12, 12, and 11 games this year. Why on earth would Brad subject himself to a rebuild at any of those schools?
I don't think it would be a good idea...just saying that there will likely be a natural fit available as the high majors poach from mid majors.
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I did not notice this, but Brad is already 52. If he goes somewhere else for 4-5 years, he's gonna be damn old before we get him.
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I did not notice this, but Brad is already 52. If he goes somewhere else for 4-5 years, he's gonna be damn old before we get him.
This is why I want him now, or next year at the latest.
FWIW, oscar was 55 when Currie lured him away from CofC.
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How old is larranaga? How about Steve Fisher? Ever think of that one?
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How old is larranaga? How about Steve Fisher? Ever think of that one?
Good point. Larr was 61 when he went to the U.
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Barely a boomer
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We haven't had a coach for more than 6 seasons in 30 years. Age is the least of my worries with a head coach.
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We haven't had a coach for more than 6 seasons in 30 years. Age is the least of my worries with a head coach.
True.
Hartman was 16 seasons. Tex was 15 seasons. Gardner 10 seasons. Then the rest. Not a bunch of long term coaches here.
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The best and most realistic path for Brad to coach KSU is for him to take one of these major conference jobs that he wouldn't form any bond with and get whatever experience at that level people think is important and then he can jump to KSU when there's new administration.
Huggins left for his alma mater after a one year stint. (sh)it happens.
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Umm...SFA is the good mid-major job and BU is not going to leave for a Tulane, Marshall, etc. He already turned down more money in Marshall and Southern Mississippi two seasons ago.
No, it will take a power 5 conference for him to leave.
Remember Robert Hill (SFA AD) gave BU his first division one head coaching gig and BU is very grateful for that and BU is going to want to go to another program that is just as committed to winning as SFA is.
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You are adorable
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i don't know why he would leave SFA for anything other than a p5 job either, nothing to really gain
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Remember Robert Hill (SFA AD) gave BU his first division one head coaching gig and BU is very grateful for that and BU is going to want to go to another program that is just as committed to winning as SFA is.
you're crazy if you think he wouldn't come home to coach his beloved alma mater.
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Remember Robert Hill (SFA AD) gave BU his first division one head coaching gig and BU is very grateful for that and BU is going to want to go to another program that is just as committed to winning as SFA is.
you're crazy if you think he wouldn't come home to coach his beloved alma mater.
How pissed off would gE and tuck nation be if we truly found out that Currie offered Brad and Brad told him eff off " I'm not working for you bad person " :curse:
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Remember Robert Hill (SFA AD) gave BU his first division one head coaching gig and BU is very grateful for that and BU is going to want to go to another program that is just as committed to winning as SFA is.
you're crazy if you think he wouldn't come home to coach his beloved alma mater.
How pissed off would gE and tuck nation be if we truly found out that Currie offered Brad and Brad told him eff off " I'm not working for you bad person " :curse:
i'd be "at least he tried" and encouraged
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Remember Robert Hill (SFA AD) gave BU his first division one head coaching gig and BU is very grateful for that and BU is going to want to go to another program that is just as committed to winning as SFA is.
you're crazy if you think he wouldn't come home to coach his beloved alma mater.
How pissed off would gE and tuck nation be if we truly found out that Currie offered Brad and Brad told him eff off " I'm not working for you bad person " :curse:
That's what's gonna happen, but you'll have to come all the way to the seattle ymca to ask me how I knew.
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Remember Robert Hill (SFA AD) gave BU his first division one head coaching gig and BU is very grateful for that and BU is going to want to go to another program that is just as committed to winning as SFA is.
you're crazy if you think he wouldn't come home to coach his beloved alma mater.
How pissed off would gE and tuck nation be if we truly found out that Currie offered Brad and Brad told him eff off " I'm not working for you bad person " :curse:
That's what's gonna happen, but you'll have to come all the way to the seattle ymca to ask me how I knew.
:bang: Perhaps that is why Bill is trying to outlast Currie so he doesn't oscar up football too and go all Mike Riley on us. Currie has built enough.
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he's more likely to go riley gates on us
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No, I think he would leave SFA for KSU, (hello power 5 school, like I said) I never said he wouldn't. I'm addressing the comments of him going to a Tulane, or Marshall, or any other mid major over SFA.
I'll be a fan of his no matter where he goes.
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What if a mid major offered him more money and they were a 10-17 school the last couple of years. If he thought the run at SFA was over, would he take more money to rebuild another mid major to a 20-25 win team?
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I don't think so, because SFA is the mid-major he wants to build, not go to another mid-major and do what he is already doing now.
No lateral moves here, power 5 or bust.
Like I said he has already been offered more money from other mid-majors and turned them down.
But if a power 5 offers him the keys, he goes. I think he would be at Iowa State right now had they offered last season.
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SFA is a low major
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http://www.collegeinsider.com/mens-mid-major-top-25.php
http://collegecourtreport.com/rankings/ccr-mid-major-top-20/
http://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2015/11/02/mid-major-power-rankings-the-best-from-the-rest-of-the-country/
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http://www.collegeinsider.com/mens-mid-major-top-25.php
http://collegecourtreport.com/rankings/ccr-mid-major-top-20/
http://collegebasketball.nbcsports.com/2015/11/02/mid-major-power-rankings-the-best-from-the-rest-of-the-country/
I know its somehow a major insult to call low major teams what they are, but the facts are there. The Southland conference is generally one of the bottom 5 D1 conferences in kenpom and has never been a 2 bid league. If SFA had lost any of their conference tournaments the last 3 years they still would've been left out, even with total domination of your league. Brad has done a great job and SFA is a really good basketball program right now, but they are still a low major and if you don't win your league tournament you won't be invited.
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There a lot of gray areas in D1 basketball when it comes to high major vs. mid major vs. low major. It's a combination of tradition, recent success, and conference affiliation.
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There a lot of gray areas in D1 basketball when it comes to high major vs. mid major vs. low major. It's a combination of tradition, recent success, and conference affiliation.
That's fair.
This has been discussed a bit, but Brad has only beaten one Top 50 RPI team in 3 years at SFA and that was in the NCAA tournament his first year.
I'd say that is a good sign of being a low major.
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You're a low major if someone has to google your school to find out where the campus is
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4 NCAA Tournaments since 2009 and you still have never heard of us?
I'll give you a hint, it is where Brad Underwood currently resides. lol
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I've always lumped low to medium together.
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SFA is definitely the most successful low-major in recent memory (could be because they're the only one I've ever paid attention to, but whatever). But places like VCU, Memphis, New Mexico, WSU, BYU etc. aren't lateral moves from SFA. Not saying Underwood would take any of those jobs, let's just not pretend SFA is one of their peers.
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I've always lumped low to medium together.
i burn a lot of crap on the stovetop nowadays
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our resident sfa fan is about as secure as most k-staters, just fyi
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Sorry, I must disagree SFA is a peer and can stand with any of those programs.
Here is another guy who would disagree with you as well.
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Give us time as we continue to grow. (Only been in Division I since 1987)
- On campus ESPN Studio (All home games on ESPN3)
- Weekly Coach Radio Show
- New state of the art court floor (only one in the country of its kind)
- New center 4 sided suspended video board (Installing later this year)
- Increase in season tickets sells
- Sold out games in a 7,200 seat arena
SFA in head to head has beaten VCU, Memphis, Marshall, (blew a 20 point lead on Tulane and 18 point lead on UAB) but can hang and beat any of those programs.
No, we are not a powerhouse on the national level, but to dismiss SFA as some subpar, nobody knows your name program is laughable.
But we are doing the best we can with a commitment to being the best which BU likes.
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Reminds me of the NDSU fans
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I drink viaka if I have to.
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If you go into defensive mode, you lose. On gE, and in life.
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our resident sfa fan is about as secure as most k-staters, just fyi
True
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https://twitter.com/sstasiuk/status/708380622075482112
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https://twitter.com/sstasiuk/status/708380622075482112
Would you have been in the tournament any season if you had not won the Southland conference tournament?
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No, I think he would leave SFA for KSU, (hello power 5 school, like I said) I never said he wouldn't. I'm addressing the comments of him going to a Tulane, or Marshall, or any other mid major over SFA.
well, you said he wouldn't, but whatever. sorry about all these idiots calling your school low-major. we get a lot of dumbasses on here.
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That looks like a high school plays there.
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Is that claws on the video board?
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Is that claws on the video board?
good catch, that is claws. weird.
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Brad out coaches Huggy tonight. Pretty impressive.
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I still have no idea where SFA is located. Texas, I think. But no idea what city (town?)
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Turns out Brad was brains of the operation during Frank years. I owe a big apology to Dax.
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https://twitter.com/mattnorlander/status/711031372144631808
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Has an AD ever been served up a bigger softball than the one John Currie is about to take for a strike?
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WVU and Bob Huggins.
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WVU and Bob Huggins.
...and he turned on that [redacted] and yanked it over the left field fence.
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Why would brad Underwood even take a call from John Currie?
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Why would brad Underwood even take a call from John Currie?
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Money and home.
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LoL name one coach besides huggs that had the world by the balls and choose home
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He's not coming after John and kirk ran Frank off and then mushed brad
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Why would brad Underwood even take a call from John Currie?
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Money and home.
This could be.
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LoL name one coach besides huggs that had the world by the balls and choose home
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Roy Williams
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LoL name one coach besides huggs that had the world by the balls and choose home
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Roy Williams
That's 2
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I mean, the alumnus that knows him the best out of any of us is pretty rough ridin' confident he'd come back. Not that anybody cares, but I know his former neighbor, and they still talk, he's also very confident Brad would take the job in a heartbeat. Would not have been the case two years ago, but the pull of K-State on Brad is much stronger than any beef with the AD (who statistically isn't likely to be here much longer than a year or two more.)
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look, if he wants us to fire currie, then we just fire currie. everything is negotiable.
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LoL name one coach besides huggs that had the world by the balls and choose home
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Roy Williams
Steve Spurrier :dunno:
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look, if he wants us to fire currie, then we just fire currie. everything is negotiable.
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Steve Henderson
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look, if he wants us to fire currie, then we just fire currie. everything is negotiable.
This is true, but would also require our pres to be something more than a dumbfuck butt hurt AD fanboy.
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Sorry, I must disagree SFA is a peer and can stand with any of those programs.
Here is another guy who would disagree with you as well.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CTLKRJfUEAABM2r.jpg)
Give us time as we continue to grow. (Only been in Division I since 1987)
- On campus ESPN Studio (All home games on ESPN3)
- Weekly Coach Radio Show
- New state of the art court floor (only one in the country of its kind)
- New center 4 sided suspended video board (Installing later this year)
- Increase in season tickets sells
- Sold out games in a 7,200 seat arena
SFA in head to head has beaten VCU, Memphis, Marshall, (blew a 20 point lead on Tulane and 18 point lead on UAB) but can hang and beat any of those programs.
No, we are not a powerhouse on the national level, but to dismiss SFA as some subpar, nobody knows your name program is laughable.
But we are doing the best we can with a commitment to being the best which BU likes.
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My man, two of those schools you consider peer institutions to SFA play in two of the best arenas in all of the basketball universe, college or otherwise. The Pit is a 15,000 seat arena that has been an NCAA tourney site around 10 times including a final four. BYU's Marriott Center is the second biggest on campus arena in America. We all really Iike SFA, obviously, but when your rivals are Sam Houston State and Northwestern State and you play all of your games on an app you are low major.
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Geez, now you're just talking markets.
Now if will excuse me I have an app to go watch.
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Geez, now you're just talking markets.
Now if will excuse me I have an app to go watch.
How many other high major our mid major programs are small schools in small towns?
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define small school? Are we talking campus acres or warm bodies? lol
430 acres and almost 13,000 students for the purple people while
Gonzaga has 7,400 students and 152 acres. We beat them by an entire township.
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TLBSFA :love:
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Spokane is the size of 10 Nacadowhatevers. Gonzaga has been in the tournament 18 straight seasons. They didn't get a single digit seed until their 5th appearance and the previous three appearances before they got that single digit seed they had two sweet 16's and an elite 8. SFA is not Gonzaga, and likely won't be.
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Pretty sure clint dempsey is from Nacogdoches
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No way Clint is from Nac,
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If you have to argue with people about whether your team is a low major or a mid major, then you've already lost. :lol:
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I lost? Does this mean you don't want our coach anymore?
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He's our coach, you're just borrowing him. Don't forget that, low major.
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I guess it took the low major hiring your coach for you to see that.
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I guess it took the low major hiring your coach for you to see that.
The problem was our AD didn't want him at the time. I'm glad he's thrived for you guys though.
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low-majors aren't ranked 25th by kenpom. mid-major in a low-major league.
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low-majors aren't ranked 25th by kenpom. mid-major in a low-major league.
Yeah, a low major absolutely has that potential. They are a low major having a mid-major season. There is no reason to believe that this is sustainable with or without Brad. The schools that SFAXE views as peer schools have shown sustainability over time and multiple coaches. SFA will never have the resources of those schools. A better comparison for SFA is a program like Valpo.
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One top 25 kenpom season doth not a mid major make
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It's like how KSU was not a blue blood after 2010.
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I vaguely remember Oakland having a season recently with a high RPI and kenpom.
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Also viewing them as a top 25 kenpom team in this instance is disingenuous considering they spent most of the season sub 50.
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When your conference has absolutely no chance for an at large bid if your regular season champ loses in your conference tournament you are a low major conference.
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4 straight years sub 100 kenpom. as long as underwood is there, they are (or will be) a mid-major. another good hire when he leaves would confirm it as well. they're supposedly paying him 800k. that's a mid-major salary, not a low-major salary.
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When your conference has absolutely no chance for an at large bid if your regular season champ loses in your conference tournament you are a low major conference.
Yep. Went to a former SLC school, now Sun Belt. Both conferences are low major. SFA and UALR are goddamn impressive and are building very good programs for themselves. They'll likely be the class of the low majors before too long, especially SFA. The Jacks were criminally underseeded this year. But UNM and Gonzaga are still a step up from the best low major program. That's not in question AT ALL.
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The important thing is that SFA is committed to being a mid-major. I wish K-State had that same commitment toward being a high-major.
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I guess it took the low major hiring your coach for you to see that.
SFAXE93, do you know who Brad's agent is?
I was fairly sure is was Richard Katz (Hugg's and Frank's guy) but Brad is not listed as a client on the KMG management website.
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The important thing is that SFA is committed to being a mid-major. I wish K-State had that same commitment toward being a high-major.
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I guess it took the low major hiring your coach for you to see that.
SFAXE93, do you know who Brad's agent is?
I was fairly sure is was Richard Katz (Hugg's and Frank's guy) but Brad is not listed as a client on the KMG management website.
Yeah if it's Katz then forget it. Katz and Currie seemingly had issues from the start.
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gonzaga is a high-major program. and we're not talking about sfa being on par with unm or schools like that. there is a huge range encompassed by the term mid-major. like about 200-225 of the country's 351 d1 programs are mid-major.
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You are what your conference says you are.
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You are what your conference says you are.
yes, over the years the best mid majors have manage to either move up to better leagues like Butler or be a strong enough program like Gonzaga that league improves around you into a multi bid league.
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gonzaga is a high-major program. and we're not talking about sfa being on par with unm or schools like that. there is a huge range encompassed by the term mid-major. like about 200-225 of the country's 351 d1 programs are mid-major.
SFAXE considers anything outside of a P5 conference to be a lateral move from SFA, so yes, we are talking about comparing SFA to programs like UNM
I don't think so, because SFA is the mid-major he wants to build, not go to another mid-major and do what he is already doing now.
No lateral moves here, power 5 or bust.
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SFAXE considers anything outside of a P5 conference to be a lateral move from SFA, so yes, we are talking about comparing SFA to programs like UNM.
i don't care what sfaxe93 thinks.
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I agree with SFAXE93, if Brad is really making around $800k there are very few jobs outside the P5 he might take. I would say Memphis and UNLV are on that list.
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gonzaga is a high-major program. and we're not talking about sfa being on par with unm or schools like that.
You're right we're not talking about sfa being on par with Gonzaga and UNM, we're not insane.
I agree with SFAXE93, if Brad is really making around $800k there are very few jobs outside the P5 he might take. I would say Memphis and UNLV are on that list.
Those aren't power five schools, so no, you don't agree with SFAXE
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No way Clint is from Nac,
He is definitely from Nacogdoches
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https://twitter.com/GSwaim/status/711294800721346561
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i will melt the eff down
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Oh crap.
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https://twitter.com/GSwaim/status/711294800721346561
:buh-bye:
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Good for brad.
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i think there will be a pretty big melt down. even gpc is pretty fired up about it, on our side.
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Do any of you know who Swaim is?
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I give the board credible information about OSU and two other coaches :blank: Greg Swaim tho :runaway: We can now be sure that OSU wants no part of Brad.
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The only solution is for Brad to keep winning
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If Brad keeps winning, OU will want him instead of Lon. And then we can get Lon. EVEN BETTER!
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If Brad wins an ncaa championship, you think there's any chance we don't hire him that evening? I say no
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If he doesn't come it's because of John and kirk
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100% chance we hire Brad immediately if he makes the Sweet Sixteen. Immediately. Before he even coaches his next game. 100%
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If he doesn't come it's because of John and kirk
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one way or another, yeah
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If he doesn't come it's because of John and kirk
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one way or another, yeah
Expect the number of fluff pieces from KStateSports.com to ramp up about how these kids are #Family, and how Kansas kids like Hot Horndogs and Claws came to KSU to play for Coach Weber.
Also, I'm expecting numerous reminders about how hard the Big 12 is and how Weber's staff is making the necessary strides to make the NCAA tournament.
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I just watched a portion of the Frank gone presser and I have little faith in these two clowns doing anything right with the big sports
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I just watched a portion of the Frank gone presser and I have little faith in these two clowns doing anything right with the big sports
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The facility improvements might suggest otherwise.
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I just watched a portion of the Frank gone presser and I have little faith in these two clowns doing anything right with the big sports
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The facility improvements might suggest otherwise.
The results might suggest otherwise.
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I just watched a portion of the Frank gone presser and I have little faith in these two clowns doing anything right with the big sports
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The facility improvements might suggest otherwise.
The results might suggest otherwise.
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I think out of us would agree that facilities are the basis for success. We seem to be pretty solid there.
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I think the facilities upgrades are something that any competent AD could accomplish. We had a long time of tim weiser remember
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TCU might have had a shot before he pimp slapped huggy on national TV. That ship has sailed.
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:bwpopcorn: :bwpopcorn: :bwpopcorn: :bwpopcorn:
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Reporting Jamie Dixon to TCU.
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OSU is a lot like we were...the more vocal fan group is all in on gottlieb, the donors want Brad, so holder will probably hire someone awful.
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OSU is a lot like we were...the more vocal fan group is all in on gottlieb, the donors want Brad, so holder will probably hire someone awful.
Maybe oscar!
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OSU is a lot like we were...the more vocal fan group is all in on gottlieb, the donors want Brad, so holder will probably hire someone awful.
Maybe oscar!
oscar would love the crap out of Eskimo Joe's!
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OSU is a lot like we were...the more vocal fan group is all in on gottlieb, the donors want Brad, so holder will probably hire someone awful.
OSU needs oscar Weber.
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Eskimo Johns
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Holder won't screw this up, he'll win the press conference. There are too many good candidates and as of now, they have far and away the best opening.
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Holder won't screw this up, he'll win the press conference. There are too many good candidates and as of now, they have far and away the best opening.
This will be straight in ADJC's face.
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Holder won't screw this up, he'll win the press conference. There are too many good candidates and as of now, they have far and away the best opening.
It's a pretty amazing time for a school like OSU (or KSU) to change coaches
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I just.email.currie and said hire brad. Everyone.must do this.
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Someone needs to set up some sort of email bug so that every time currie emails oscar it changes the message to "you're fired. Don't come see me. Get out."
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Someone needs to set up some sort of email bug so that every time currie emails oscar it changes the message to "you're fired. Don't come see me. Get out."
oscar replies: Haha. Good one, John.
Currie's bug autoreply: you're fired. Don't come see me. Get out.
oscar replies: Haha. Good one, John.
Currie's bug autoreply: you're fired. Don't come see me. Get out.
oscar replies: Haha. Good one, John.
Currie's bug autoreply: you're fired. Don't come see me. Get out.
And so on to infinity.
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Maybe make it block oscar?
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To OSU :(
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Still hope we fire that loser
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Welp.
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Damn.
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because he got another job. (rumors) :whistle1:
Technically correct even if the date was wrong.
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I wanted him more than anything but it is what it is. Brad's mom is still in McPherson and it was always clear that as much as he loved K-State he was never ever ever ever coming back under Currie.
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I'm sadly extremely serious when I say this... for the past couple of months I have been in extreme meltdown mode. The past couple of weeks have been the tipping point. I don't know what to do. As a fan who had to sit through the Ron Prince era of football during my college tenure, bball was all that we had. When Huggins came to ksu, and Wooly finally got the boot, I couldn't help but be excited. I wasn't excited just because we were going to win (and we did win in the years that followed), but because it seemed our admin actually gave a crap about it, at least to some fraction of what ksu fans did. Unlike a lot of students who graduated before 2005, and unlike a lot of students who graduated after 2009, my class' experience with ksu athletics had nothing to do with a good football team. Sure we beat texas at home. That was cool. We also went to one bowl game, in which we got slaughtered. Maybe that is why this has hit so hard. Maybe it's because when nothing else was going right, our basketball team seemed to find some semblance of direction. Regardless, all that is now for crap.
How do you legitimately continue to support an sports team that has done nothing but ruin sports for you. I haven't been able to watch more than a couple basketball games this year. Not because of scheduling conflicts or inability, but because I can't watch a vanilla ice cream cone yell at sub-par players in a squeaky frog voice to run a completely average offense and terrible defense. It has truly gotten to the point of existential fandom crisis.
Sartre once said "[l]ife begins on the other side of despair." The way I see it, our lives cannot begin until Currie leaves. #meltdown #burnitdown #winteriscoming #feeltheburn
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just switch. honestly, rooting for ostate to win and kstate to lose is no different than rooting for kstate to win and baylor to lose. it's all the same.
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but then i'd have to buy, like, all new t-shirts. :dunno:
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but then i'd have to buy, like, all new t-shirts. :dunno:
you can wear the kstate stuff ironically.
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Can we rename it gopokes.com. ? It would be like nothing ever happened.
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The fanimal's other #family feels the same way.
Andrew Schulz
@okstate_andrew
Cosmos, Corgis, & Calculus II
Orange is the new Purple
https://twitter.com/okstate_andrew
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UPKS is to OSU as ZULU is to KSU?
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but then i'd have to buy, like, all new t-shirts. :dunno:
Box em up and send them to Kirk and currie
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hire the boy.
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http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article67597972.html (http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article67597972.html)
“There are two schools that, from the day I met Brad, when he spoke about them passion would just jump out of him,” Martin, now South Carolina’s coach, said by phone Tuesday. “One was obviously Kansas State. The other was Oklahoma State. There are so many natural ties there for him. I am ecstatic for Brad.”
If he's successful, he won't leave. This was our one shot at brad.
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Whelpe. The only way the lowly BasketCats get Brad now is if he fails within the next 5 years. And I don't think he'll fail there. So never.
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If he fails at OSU, I don't think we want him
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We don't get a say who comes here
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In all seriousness, when did Underwood morph into Coach K? Friday afternoon?
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His winning percentage is better than Coach K's actually
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In all seriousness, when did Underwood morph into Coach K? Friday afternoon?
well I'm not expecting him to be coach K, but I could see him being a Norm Stewart type. Finish his career at his school, winning lots of games and the fans would really enjoy it.
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Some desire for Underwood isn't what gets me. What baffles me is how people act like it's a given that he's a slam dunk hire that we'd be crazy to pass up.
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Some desire for Underwood isn't what gets me. What baffles me is how people act like it's a given that he's a slam dunk hire that we'd be crazy to pass up.
yes
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Some desire for Underwood isn't what gets me. What baffles me is how people act like it's a given that he's a slam dunk hire that we'd be crazy to pass up.
At K-State, there will never be a slam dunk hire, everyone K-State can hire will be a risk, but it is crazy to pass him up yes.
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I will always overvalue the Cat over the non-Cat.
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I will always overvalue the Cat over the non-Cat.
That's an explanation I can understand. It's the same for how someone like Pullen gets way overrated by kstate fans.
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I will always overvalue the Cat over the non-Cat.
That's an explanation I can understand. It's the same for how someone like Pullen gets way overrated by kstate fans.
if anything he's underrated by kstate fans.
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I will always overvalue the Cat over the non-Cat.
That's an explanation I can understand. It's the same for how someone like Pullen gets way overrated by kstate fans.
if anything he's underrated by kstate fans.
Yes, we've established that you overvalue the cat over the non-cat.
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I'm not overvaluing you and the moment chum1 I'll tell you that
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Some desire for Underwood isn't what gets me. What baffles me is how people act like it's a given that he's a slam dunk hire that we'd be crazy to pass up.
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1. K-State's basketball program history has brought together two generations that experienced high achievement: Jack Hartman era and the Huggins/Martin era. Brad Underwood is a bridge between those eras.
2. K-State basketball fans that were excited by either era are disgusted with the current situation.
3. People have personal connections to Brad.
4. People hate Currie/oscar and are looking for ways to make them look bad.
Is it that hard to see how those 4 things working in conjunction add up to the response?
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Some desire for Underwood isn't what gets me. What baffles me is how people act like it's a given that he's a slam dunk hire that we'd be crazy to pass up.
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1. K-State's basketball program history has brought together two generations that experienced high achievement: Jack Hartman era and the Huggins/Martin era. Brad Underwood is a bridge between those eras.
2. K-State basketball fans that were excited by either era are disgusted with the current situation.
3. People have personal connections to Brad.
4. People hate Currie/oscar and are looking for ways to make them look bad.
Is it that hard to see how those 4 things working in conjunction add up to the response?
All those were in place 4 years ago. And last year.
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Some desire for Underwood isn't what gets me. What baffles me is how people act like it's a given that he's a slam dunk hire that we'd be crazy to pass up.
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1. K-State's basketball program history has brought together two generations that experienced high achievement: Jack Hartman era and the Huggins/Martin era. Brad Underwood is a bridge between those eras.
2. K-State basketball fans that were excited by either era are disgusted with the current situation.
3. People have personal connections to Brad.
4. People hate Currie/oscar and are looking for ways to make them look bad.
Is it that hard to see how those 4 things working in conjunction add up to the response?
All those were in place 4 years ago. And last year.
Brad's resume is much better now. You can add in the March media buzz around Brad. Also, plenty of people wanted Underwood when Frank left. I remember hearing lots of people bitch that he didn't get an interview.
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Its obvious Currie's choice was about oscar and oscar alone.
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Some desire for Underwood isn't what gets me. What baffles me is how people act like it's a given that he's a slam dunk hire that we'd be crazy to pass up.
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1. K-State's basketball program history has brought together two generations that experienced high achievement: Jack Hartman era and the Huggins/Martin era. Brad Underwood is a bridge between those eras.
2. K-State basketball fans that were excited by either era are disgusted with the current situation.
3. People have personal connections to Brad.
4. People hate Currie/oscar and are looking for ways to make them look bad.
Is it that hard to see how those 4 things working in conjunction add up to the response?
All those were in place 4 years ago. And last year.
Brad's resume is much better now. You can add in the March media buzz around Brad. Also, plenty of people wanted Underwood when Frank left. I remember hearing lots of people bitch that he didn't get an interview.
His resume isn't meaningfully different than it was a year ago.
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Some desire for Underwood isn't what gets me. What baffles me is how people act like it's a given that he's a slam dunk hire that we'd be crazy to pass up.
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1. K-State's basketball program history has brought together two generations that experienced high achievement: Jack Hartman era and the Huggins/Martin era. Brad Underwood is a bridge between those eras.
2. K-State basketball fans that were excited by either era are disgusted with the current situation.
3. People have personal connections to Brad.
4. People hate Currie/oscar and are looking for ways to make them look bad.
Is it that hard to see how those 4 things working in conjunction add up to the response?
All those were in place 4 years ago. And last year.
Brad's resume is much better now. You can add in the March media buzz around Brad. Also, plenty of people wanted Underwood when Frank left. I remember hearing lots of people bitch that he didn't get an interview.
His resume isn't meaningfully different than it was a year ago.
He has 33% more data and had another strong showing in the tournament given his seed. Now you are just being contrarian without evidence. Nevermind, that in the real world his name was the "hot" name all over CBS, which has its own actual value for the program.
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Some desire for Underwood isn't what gets me. What baffles me is how people act like it's a given that he's a slam dunk hire that we'd be crazy to pass up.
yes
I was all over BBB, but I agree with this.
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Some desire for Underwood isn't what gets me. What baffles me is how people act like it's a given that he's a slam dunk hire that we'd be crazy to pass up.
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1. K-State's basketball program history has brought together two generations that experienced high achievement: Jack Hartman era and the Huggins/Martin era. Brad Underwood is a bridge between those eras.
2. K-State basketball fans that were excited by either era are disgusted with the current situation.
3. People have personal connections to Brad.
4. People hate Currie/oscar and are looking for ways to make them look bad.
Is it that hard to see how those 4 things working in conjunction add up to the response?
All those were in place 4 years ago. And last year.
Brad's resume is much better now. You can add in the March media buzz around Brad. Also, plenty of people wanted Underwood when Frank left. I remember hearing lots of people bitch that he didn't get an interview.
His resume isn't meaningfully different than it was a year ago.
He has 33% more data and had another strong showing in the tournament given his seed. Now you are just being contrarian without evidence. Nevermind, that in the real world his name was the "hot" name all over CBS, which has its own actual value for the program.
I don't think one NCAA tournament win is a good predictor of his performance at the next level. Also, he struggled a lot more in OOC than he did last season. Lost to some bad teams.
However, you are correct about the perception being very important and that isn't something I placed enough weight upon.
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And yes, Brad is over.
Next year I'll probably be BBK.
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Some desire for Underwood isn't what gets me. What baffles me is how people act like it's a given that he's a slam dunk hire that we'd be crazy to pass up.
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1. K-State's basketball program history has brought together two generations that experienced high achievement: Jack Hartman era and the Huggins/Martin era. Brad Underwood is a bridge between those eras.
2. K-State basketball fans that were excited by either era are disgusted with the current situation.
3. People have personal connections to Brad.
4. People hate Currie/oscar and are looking for ways to make them look bad.
Is it that hard to see how those 4 things working in conjunction add up to the response?
All those were in place 4 years ago. And last year.
Brad's resume is much better now. You can add in the March media buzz around Brad. Also, plenty of people wanted Underwood when Frank left. I remember hearing lots of people bitch that he didn't get an interview.
His resume isn't meaningfully different than it was a year ago.
He has 33% more data and had another strong showing in the tournament given his seed. Now you are just being contrarian without evidence. Nevermind, that in the real world his name was the "hot" name all over CBS, which has its own actual value for the program.
I don't think one NCAA tournament win is a good predictor of his performance at the next level. Also, he struggled a lot more in OOC than he did last season. Lost to some bad teams.
However, you are correct about the perception being very important and that isn't something I placed enough weight upon.
for a low major, I think given the fact that he has dominated his conference and taken care of biz and won his tourney, NCAA tournament record is the most important thing as far as elevating himself to the job he currently has.
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Some desire for Underwood isn't what gets me. What baffles me is how people act like it's a given that he's a slam dunk hire that we'd be crazy to pass up.
yes
1. K-State's basketball program history has brought together two generations that experienced high achievement: Jack Hartman era and the Huggins/Martin era. Brad Underwood is a bridge between those eras.
2. K-State basketball fans that were excited by either era are disgusted with the current situation.
3. People have personal connections to Brad.
4. People hate Currie/oscar and are looking for ways to make them look bad.
Is it that hard to see how those 4 things working in conjunction add up to the response?
All those were in place 4 years ago. And last year.
Brad's resume is much better now. You can add in the March media buzz around Brad. Also, plenty of people wanted Underwood when Frank left. I remember hearing lots of people bitch that he didn't get an interview.
His resume isn't meaningfully different than it was a year ago.
He has 33% more data and had another strong showing in the tournament given his seed. Now you are just being contrarian without evidence. Nevermind, that in the real world his name was the "hot" name all over CBS, which has its own actual value for the program.
I don't think one NCAA tournament win is a good predictor of his performance at the next level. Also, he struggled a lot more in OOC than he did last season. Lost to some bad teams.
However, you are correct about the perception being very important and that isn't something I placed enough weight upon.
for a low major, I think given the fact that he has dominated his conference and taken care of biz and won his tourney, NCAA tournament record is the most important thing as far as elevating himself to the job he currently has.
You are correct. And I think that is absurd.
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Some desire for Underwood isn't what gets me. What baffles me is how people act like it's a given that he's a slam dunk hire that we'd be crazy to pass up.
yes
I was all over BBB, but I agree with this.
I'm stunned that you and rusty can be this obtuse. That's not what this was about and I'm surprised you guys don't recognize that.
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Kansas State should always go for the coach with the highest ceiling.
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Some desire for Underwood isn't what gets me. What baffles me is how people act like it's a given that he's a slam dunk hire that we'd be crazy to pass up.
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I was all over BBB, but I agree with this.
I'm stunned that you and rusty can be this obtuse. That's not what this was about and I'm surprised you guys don't recognize that.
What is it about?
Because I think it's about KSU fans being so small-timey that a large contingent of its fanbase has convinced itself that if we don't hire a low-major coach in his 50's who played on a shitty KSU team THIRTY YEARS AGO we are doomed to eternal failure. Like, this was the only opportunity we will ever have to be kinda good and the mean old AD shocked us by taking kinda goodness away from us with this news. Golly gee, guess the best we can hope for Steve Henson.
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Some desire for Underwood isn't what gets me. What baffles me is how people act like it's a given that he's a slam dunk hire that we'd be crazy to pass up.
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I was all over BBB, but I agree with this.
I'm stunned that you and rusty can be this obtuse. That's not what this was about and I'm surprised you guys don't recognize that.
What is it about?
Because I think it's about KSU fans being so small-timey that a large contingent of its fanbase has convinced itself that if we don't hire a low-major coach in his 50's who played on a shitty KSU team THIRTY YEARS AGO we are doomed to eternal failure. Like, this was the only opportunity we will ever have to be kinda good and the mean old AD shocked us by taking kinda goodness away from us with this news. Golly gee, guess the best we can hope for Steve Henson.
that's kinda where i was a couple weeks ago when the board blew up about hiring brad.. he's a cat and everything but knowing oscar wasn't going anywhere, it's tough to melt down about. also, like i have been saying, brad's resume isn't all that considering the crap conference he's in. big risk for cur-dog.
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you really are obtuse.
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I reserve the right to melt down if Brad gets a burger boy to OSU.
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Some desire for Underwood isn't what gets me. What baffles me is how people act like it's a given that he's a slam dunk hire that we'd be crazy to pass up.
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I was all over BBB, but I agree with this.
I'm stunned that you and rusty can be this obtuse. That's not what this was about and I'm surprised you guys don't recognize that.
What is it about?
Because I think it's about KSU fans being so small-timey that a large contingent of its fanbase has convinced itself that if we don't hire a low-major coach in his 50's who played on a shitty KSU team THIRTY YEARS AGO we are doomed to eternal failure. Like, this was the only opportunity we will ever have to be kinda good and the mean old AD shocked us by taking kinda goodness away from us with this news. Golly gee, guess the best we can hope for Steve Henson.
Pretty reasonable considering our bball program's small timeyness 20 or so years ago.
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I was absolutely on board with Brad. I think he's done a great job at SFA and losing 1 conference game, going to 3 NCAAs, and 2 NCAA wins at that school is impressive in only 3 seasons. But he's still in his first D1 job and in his early 50s. His best players throughout his 3 years were mainly guys he didn't recruit. He took a solid foundation from Kasper and ran with it, but we have no idea whether or not he can recruit P5 talent, its not like he was known as the stud recruiter on staff when he was here with Huggs and Frank. I believe he would have been a great hire for us, but far from a slam dunk and still with plenty of questions. I would probabl
I try to look at K-State basketball with perspective. I like remembering our basketball tradition, but the 4 Final Fours over the course of 16 years took place over 50 years ago. I mean a total of 3 black players played on those 4 teams. It was a different basketball world and it was the glory of K-State basketball. We've been solid since then, but have never come close to replicating that run. Hartman had a very good run, Kruger had a nice spurt, and Huggs/Frank built us back up with another good stretch. I just want us to find another guy at that level and I believe we will in my lifetime, hopefully a couple more if I live long enough. I think I'll see at least another Elite 8 and league title. I don't think Schulz or Currie or Weber will destroy K-State sports as we know it. Programs like ours have ups and downs, we are in a down period.
I'm glad to live through our glory years of football, roughly the equivalent of that run in basketball, but in a more modern sports world. 2 conference titles, 3 elite bowls, 6 Top 10 finishes over 20 years. I don't think football is over either, but that run may not be duplicated here. Still, I believe I will see another conference title and elite bowl in my lifetime.
All that to say in this long ass post is I try to keep things in perspective. Brad would've been a great hire, but I've moved on. I likely won't attend K-State basketball games next year because I think its futile at this point, but I know better days will come for this program. It may take another year or two or maybe a couple more, but we'll be an NCAA tournament team again. Missing out on Brad did not destroy that.
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1. K-State's basketball program history has brought together two generations that experienced high achievement: Jack Hartman era and the Huggins/Martin era. Brad Underwood is a bridge between those eras.
2. K-State basketball fans that were excited by either era are disgusted with the current situation.
3. People have personal connections to Brad.
4. People hate Currie/oscar and are looking for ways to make them look bad.
it's all this (besides the fact that underwood's resume really is outstanding and he's a fantastic hire for osu and would have been for kstate).
but the reaction we saw when it became apparent that underwood would be leaving sfa this year was pure fear. last year, when kstate kept weber, in the back of every fan's mind was the fact that we could always turn to underwood. why not give weber another year? what's there to lose? if he doesn't work out, we just bring back brad. so we lose a year or two, bfd, it just gives us more time to see what underwood can do. underwood, the one man we knew would take the job. the one hire so obvious we knew currie would have to make it. and this year, while our ad was twiddling his thumbs, osu stole our safety net. suddenly we're 1000 feet in the air wobbling between weber on one side and an unknown currie hire on the other.
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1. K-State's basketball program history has brought together two generations that experienced high achievement: Jack Hartman era and the Huggins/Martin era. Brad Underwood is a bridge between those eras.
2. K-State basketball fans that were excited by either era are disgusted with the current situation.
3. People have personal connections to Brad.
4. People hate Currie/oscar and are looking for ways to make them look bad.
it's all this (besides the fact that underwood's resume really is outstanding and he's a fantastic hire for osu and would have been for kstate).
but the reaction we saw when it became apparent that underwood would be leaving sfa this year was pure fear. last year, when kstate kept weber, in the back of every fan's mind was the fact that we could always turn to underwood. why not give weber another year? what's there to lose? if he doesn't work out, we just bring back brad. so we lose a year or two, bfd, it just gives us more time to see what underwood can do. underwood, the one man we knew would take the job. the one hire so obvious we knew currie would have to make it. and this year, while our ad was twiddling his thumbs, osu stole our safety net. suddenly we're 1000 feet in the air wobbling between weber on one side and an unknown currie hire on the other.
come on.
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come on.
you will never understand kstate.
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Jacob Pullen wanted Brad and that's all I need to know.
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So did every player I ever cared about
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It's like five things that all came together at once. The athletic dept treatment of fans this year is might be the biggest reason. That made people that don't really want or care to question leadership, question them.
Announcing at the end of the OU game that people running on the court will be possibly arrested etc. followed by the ridiculousness that was the ku game was just too much for your average fan.
Currie micromanaged frank and this year he started to micromanage the fan base. That was stupid and might ultimately be his downfall. You don't openly talk down to the people that care enough to actually attend the games that pay your salary.
I personally witnessed a person with over 1k/year seats that he's had for several years get told that he would get kicked out if he said the word eff again because he said it once in the first half of the wvu game. Like, that happened and I witnessed it.
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Brad was easily the best coach that we could have hired this season, and everyone wants oscar gone. Not getting him isn't the end of the world, but it's the end of next season. At least he went to a Big 12 school so there is a slight chance he does well and gets Currie fired. Everyone will freak out again next offseason when we fail to replace oscar with the obvious hire, too.
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1. K-State's basketball program history has brought together two generations that experienced high achievement: Jack Hartman era and the Huggins/Martin era. Brad Underwood is a bridge between those eras.
2. K-State basketball fans that were excited by either era are disgusted with the current situation.
3. People have personal connections to Brad.
4. People hate Currie/oscar and are looking for ways to make them look bad.
it's all this (besides the fact that underwood's resume really is outstanding and he's a fantastic hire for osu and would have been for kstate).
but the reaction we saw when it became apparent that underwood would be leaving sfa this year was pure fear. last year, when kstate kept weber, in the back of every fan's mind was the fact that we could always turn to underwood. why not give weber another year? what's there to lose? if he doesn't work out, we just bring back brad. so we lose a year or two, bfd, it just gives us more time to see what underwood can do. underwood, the one man we knew would take the job. the one hire so obvious we knew currie would have to make it. and this year, while our ad was twiddling his thumbs, osu stole our safety net. suddenly we're 1000 feet in the air wobbling between weber on one side and an unknown currie hire on the other.
I'll agree that his resume is unprecedented. The closest comparison I can come up with is Anthony Grant at VCU (who wasn't quite as dominant but was at a higher level).
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Brad was easily the best coach that we could have hired this season, and everyone wants oscar gone. Not getting him isn't the end of the world, but it's the end of next season. At least he went to a Big 12 school so there is a slight chance he does well and gets Currie fired. Everyone will freak out again next offseason when we fail to replace oscar with the obvious hire, too.
There is always an obvious hire.
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this board is way too over the top sometimes
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this board is way too over the top sometimes
Obviously. But there are people way, way outside this board that suddenly also started to get pretty over the top angry within the last month. Like, it's not just us.
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1. K-State's basketball program history has brought together two generations that experienced high achievement: Jack Hartman era and the Huggins/Martin era. Brad Underwood is a bridge between those eras.
2. K-State basketball fans that were excited by either era are disgusted with the current situation.
3. People have personal connections to Brad.
4. People hate Currie/oscar and are looking for ways to make them look bad.
it's all this (besides the fact that underwood's resume really is outstanding and he's a fantastic hire for osu and would have been for kstate).
but the reaction we saw when it became apparent that underwood would be leaving sfa this year was pure fear. last year, when kstate kept weber, in the back of every fan's mind was the fact that we could always turn to underwood. why not give weber another year? what's there to lose? if he doesn't work out, we just bring back brad. so we lose a year or two, bfd, it just gives us more time to see what underwood can do. underwood, the one man we knew would take the job. the one hire so obvious we knew currie would have to make it. and this year, while our ad was twiddling his thumbs, osu stole our safety net. suddenly we're 1000 feet in the air wobbling between weber on one side and an unknown currie hire on the other.
I'll agree that his resume is unprecedented. The closest comparison I can come up with is Anthony Grant at VCU (who wasn't quite as dominant but was at a higher level).
Grant is a really good one. Pearl at Milwaukee was somewhat close, but he had really high D2 success before that. Prohm won a lot in a short time a Murray State, but didn't have the NCAA trips.
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Some desire for Underwood isn't what gets me. What baffles me is how people act like it's a given that he's a slam dunk hire that we'd be crazy to pass up.
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I was all over BBB, but I agree with this.
I'm stunned that you and rusty can be this obtuse. That's not what this was about and I'm surprised you guys don't recognize that.
What is it about?
Because I think it's about KSU fans being so small-timey that a large contingent of its fanbase has convinced itself that if we don't hire a low-major coach in his 50's who played on a shitty KSU team THIRTY YEARS AGO we are doomed to eternal failure. Like, this was the only opportunity we will ever have to be kinda good and the mean old AD shocked us by taking kinda goodness away from us with this news. Golly gee, guess the best we can hope for Steve Henson.
How do you not understand for most of the people you're degenerating that Brad is a secondary storyline? If we weren't stuck with Weber/Currie/Schulz and Brad became available there wouldn't have been this much uproar. If we heard that Buzz Williams was interested in K-State this same thing would have happened. The alumni piece of this is relevant because he was a bona fide hot coaching prospect that actually wants to be here. There isn't a fan base in the country that wouldn't be excited if they were struggling and they had a shot at the best candidate on the market.
Also I'd understand your point if of the narrative was about what Brad was going to do for us. The narrative never got beyond, "fire oscar, hire Brad." No one talked about the recruits he will bring or the conference titles he will win. Your "chill out rubes he isn't John Wooden or Coach K" tone is inappropriate and disingenuous.
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How do you not understand for most of the people you're degenerating that Brad is a secondary storyline? If we weren't stuck with Weber/Currie/Schulz and Brad became available there wouldn't have been this much uproar. If we heard that Buzz Williams was interested in K-State this same thing would have happened. The alumni piece of this is relevant because he was a bona fide hot coaching prospect that actually wants to be here. There isn't a fan base in the country that wouldn't be excited if they were struggling and they had a shot at the best candidate on the market.
I disagree that there would be a similar uproar if Buzz Williams had been interested and that Underwood is the best coaching candidate on the market. Hell, you yourself disagreed with that yesterday.
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1. K-State's basketball program history has brought together two generations that experienced high achievement: Jack Hartman era and the Huggins/Martin era. Brad Underwood is a bridge between those eras.
2. K-State basketball fans that were excited by either era are disgusted with the current situation.
3. People have personal connections to Brad.
4. People hate Currie/oscar and are looking for ways to make them look bad.
it's all this (besides the fact that underwood's resume really is outstanding and he's a fantastic hire for osu and would have been for kstate).
but the reaction we saw when it became apparent that underwood would be leaving sfa this year was pure fear. last year, when kstate kept weber, in the back of every fan's mind was the fact that we could always turn to underwood. why not give weber another year? what's there to lose? if he doesn't work out, we just bring back brad. so we lose a year or two, bfd, it just gives us more time to see what underwood can do. underwood, the one man we knew would take the job. the one hire so obvious we knew currie would have to make it. and this year, while our ad was twiddling his thumbs, osu stole our safety net. suddenly we're 1000 feet in the air wobbling between weber on one side and an unknown currie hire on the other.
I'll agree that his resume is unprecedented. The closest comparison I can come up with is Anthony Grant at VCU (who wasn't quite as dominant but was at a higher level).
Grant is a really good one. Pearl at Milwaukee was somewhat close, but he had really high D2 success before that. Prohm won a lot in a short time a Murray State, but didn't have the NCAA trips.
I didn't realize how well Prohm had done. Great hire by ISU, given the timing.
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How do you not understand for most of the people you're degenerating that Brad is a secondary storyline? If we weren't stuck with Weber/Currie/Schulz and Brad became available there wouldn't have been this much uproar. If we heard that Buzz Williams was interested in K-State this same thing would have happened. The alumni piece of this is relevant because he was a bona fide hot coaching prospect that actually wants to be here. There isn't a fan base in the country that wouldn't be excited if they were struggling and they had a shot at the best candidate on the market.
I disagree that there would be a similar uproar if Buzz Williams had been interested and that Underwood is the best coaching candidate on the market. Hell, you yourself disagreed with that yesterday.
I said I wouldn't hire him first and everyone who responded said the same thing. That strengths my point that this was more about oscar and less about Brad. Brad became the narrative because it seemed viable that Currie could can oscar because a highly sought after candidate would have taken the job. You're kidding yourself if you don't think that we wouldn't go through the same thing tomorrow Gary Parrish reported tomorrow that Archie Miller was interested in coaching K-State.
Sure there were some that this was all about Brad, but again none of those people were acting like he's new and improved Bill Self so I don't understand you being so high horse-y about this and drumming up a narrative to bash people over the head with.
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I'll agree that his resume is unprecedented. The closest comparison I can come up with is Anthony Grant at VCU (who wasn't quite as dominant but was at a higher level).
it's not exact, but gregg marshall's last three years at winthrop are pretty similar in terms of complete dominance of a low-major conference.
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I'll agree that his resume is unprecedented. The closest comparison I can come up with is Anthony Grant at VCU (who wasn't quite as dominant but was at a higher level).
it's not exact, but gregg marshall's last three years at winthrop are pretty similar in terms of complete dominance of a low-major conference.
Yes, also a good one.
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I'll agree that his resume is unprecedented. The closest comparison I can come up with is Anthony Grant at VCU (who wasn't quite as dominant but was at a higher level).
it's not exact, but gregg marshall's last three years at winthrop are pretty similar in terms of complete dominance of a low-major conference.
Yes, also a good one.
True. The big difference is that Marshall built that program and sustained it. 7 NCAAs in 9 years and winning 81% of your conference games is really impressive.
I was looking for Gregg Marshall posts from the past and found this thread: http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=9919.msg211313#msg211313
Sad to look back on given our current state.
And also found this! http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=1362.msg23150#msg23150
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Where in the world are you getting that kstate fans thought he was some sort of savior?. The outcry for brad was pleading with the admin to take a shot. Hiring oscar was not taking a shot at winning it was filling a vacancy. John Currie lost his star player and had to grab some dude away from the chicken nuggets stand to fill a spot. I think oscar's first year made shulz think curry really knew what he was doing. I think curry can't hire anyone decent and I think that curry knows it.
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I'll agree that his resume is unprecedented. The closest comparison I can come up with is Anthony Grant at VCU (who wasn't quite as dominant but was at a higher level).
it's not exact, but gregg marshall's last three years at winthrop are pretty similar in terms of complete dominance of a low-major conference.
Yes, also a good one.
True. The big difference is that Marshall built that program and sustained it. 7 NCAAs in 9 years and winning 81% of your conference games is really impressive.
I was looking for Gregg Marshall posts from the past and found this thread: http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=9919.msg211313#msg211313
Sad to look back on given our current state.
And also found this! http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=1362.msg23150#msg23150
man, a Tony Mitchell mention. Good times.
Also, ha! In my defense, Marshall was below .500 after three seasons at that time.
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Where in the world are you getting that kstate fans thought he was some sort of savior?. The outcry for brad was pleading with the admin to take a shot. Hiring oscar was not taking a shot at winning it was filling a vacancy. John Currie lost his star player and had to grab some dude away from the chicken nuggets stand to fill a spot. I think oscar's first year made shulz think curry really knew what he was doing. I think curry can't hire anyone decent and I think that curry knows it.
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hiring a good coach isn't that hard
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It is if you are a known asshat that is hard to work for/with
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It is if you are a known asshat that is hard to work for/with
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no, it really isn't
and no one knows that currie fits that description (outside of the narrative we've constructed here to make ourselves feel better for losing frank).
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Thinking that Underwood could be the mechanism to force Currie's hand with regard to oscar is way crazier than thinking that Underwood is a slam dunk hire.
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Thinking that Underwood could be the mechanism to force Currie's hand with regard to oscar is way crazier than thinking that Underwood is a slam dunk hire.
Well no one really thought either but keep barking at your own shadow
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Thinking that Underwood could be the mechanism to force Currie's hand with regard to oscar is way crazier than thinking that Underwood is a slam dunk hire.
Well no one really thought either but keep barking at your own shadow
Bullshit. Plenty of people thought each. But I was largely explaining why I would naturally assume that people were acting like Underwood was a slam dunk hire - because the alternatives are just way more crazy.
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Thinking that Underwood could be the mechanism to force Currie's hand with regard to oscar is way crazier than thinking that Underwood is a slam dunk hire.
Well no one really thought either but keep barking at your own shadow
Bullshit. Plenty of people thought each. But I was largely explaining why I would naturally assume that people were acting like Underwood was a slam dunk hire - because the alternatives are just way more crazy.
Nope. No one acted like Brad was a "slam dunk hire" they thought he was the right hire, slam dunk hire is a cute little malleable phase though that you can sculpt to fit your agenda. Also no one thought Brad would force Currie's hand, people did think Brad was the guy who would have had the Johnson's, the Ice's, and their ilk hold Currie's feet to the fire and he certainly was the guy to re-engage Garth Gardiner.
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Thinking that Underwood could be the mechanism to force Currie's hand with regard to oscar is way crazier than thinking that Underwood is a slam dunk hire.
Well no one really thought either but keep barking at your own shadow
Bullshit. Plenty of people thought each. But I was largely explaining why I would naturally assume that people were acting like Underwood was a slam dunk hire - because the alternatives are just way more crazy.
Nope. No one acted like Brad was a "slam dunk hire" they thought he was the right hire, slam dunk hire is a cute little malleable phase though that you can sculpt to fit your agenda. Also no one thought Brad would force Currie's hand, people did think Brad was the guy who would have had the Johnson's, the Ice's, and their ilk hold Currie's feet to the fire and he certainly was the guy to re-engage Garth Gardiner.
I'm not into this sort of nitpicking. ("Right hire" is okay, but "slam dunk" isn't?)
So, please just substitute everything you said for everything I said. It's all very out of touch with reality.
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Thinking that Underwood could be the mechanism to force Currie's hand with regard to oscar is way crazier than thinking that Underwood is a slam dunk hire.
Well no one really thought either but keep barking at your own shadow
Bullshit. Plenty of people thought each. But I was largely explaining why I would naturally assume that people were acting like Underwood was a slam dunk hire - because the alternatives are just way more crazy.
Nope. No one acted like Brad was a "slam dunk hire" they thought he was the right hire, slam dunk hire is a cute little malleable phase though that you can sculpt to fit your agenda. Also no one thought Brad would force Currie's hand, people did think Brad was the guy who would have had the Johnson's, the Ice's, and their ilk hold Currie's feet to the fire and he certainly was the guy to re-engage Garth Gardiner.
I'm not into this sort of nitpicking. ("Right hire" is okay, but "slam dunk" isn't?)
So, please just substitute everything you said for everything I said. It's all very out of touch with reality.
he's not nitpicking, he's arguing. nitpicking is just a cute little malleable phrase that you've sculpted to fit your agenda. quit being so obtuse.
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looks like a lot of people didn't pay attention during speech freshman year. pathos, logos, ad hom. it has all made an appearance. make sure to start with a hook and close with a killer finishing move and leave your audience on its feet.
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Some desire for Underwood isn't what gets me. What baffles me is how people act like it's a given that he's a slam dunk hire that we'd be crazy to pass up.
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I was all over BBB, but I agree with this.
I'm stunned that you and rusty can be this obtuse. That's not what this was about and I'm surprised you guys don't recognize that.
What is it about?
Because I think it's about KSU fans being so small-timey that a large contingent of its fanbase has convinced itself that if we don't hire a low-major coach in his 50's who played on a shitty KSU team THIRTY YEARS AGO we are doomed to eternal failure. Like, this was the only opportunity we will ever have to be kinda good and the mean old AD shocked us by taking kinda goodness away from us with this news. Golly gee, guess the best we can hope for Steve Henson.
How do you not understand for most of the people you're degenerating that Brad is a secondary storyline? If we weren't stuck with Weber/Currie/Schulz and Brad became available there wouldn't have been this much uproar. If we heard that Buzz Williams was interested in K-State this same thing would have happened. The alumni piece of this is relevant because he was a bona fide hot coaching prospect that actually wants to be here. There isn't a fan base in the country that wouldn't be excited if they were struggling and they had a shot at the best candidate on the market.
I don't usually agree on much, but this is pretty spot on. However,
Also I'd understand your point if of the narrative was about what Brad was going to do for us. The narrative never got beyond, "fire oscar, hire Brad." No one talked about the recruits he will bring or the conference titles he will win. Your "chill out rubes he isn't John Wooden or Coach K" tone is inappropriate and disingenuous.
Generally this is the standard at this blog, so I don't think we can get upset about it.
Sidebar: @chum1 -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dakxwoVV7yM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dakxwoVV7yM)
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Thinking that Underwood could be the mechanism to force Currie's hand with regard to oscar is way crazier than thinking that Underwood is a slam dunk hire.
Well no one really thought either but keep barking at your own shadow
Bullshit. Plenty of people thought each. But I was largely explaining why I would naturally assume that people were acting like Underwood was a slam dunk hire - because the alternatives are just way more crazy.
Nope. No one acted like Brad was a "slam dunk hire" they thought he was the right hire, slam dunk hire is a cute little malleable phase though that you can sculpt to fit your agenda. Also no one thought Brad would force Currie's hand, people did think Brad was the guy who would have had the Johnson's, the Ice's, and their ilk hold Currie's feet to the fire and he certainly was the guy to re-engage Garth Gardiner.
I'm not into this sort of nitpicking. ("Right hire" is okay, but "slam dunk" isn't?)
So, please just substitute everything you said for everything I said. It's all very out of touch with reality.
he's not nitpicking, he's arguing. nitpicking is just a cute little malleable phrase that you've sculpted to fit your agenda. quit being so obtuse.
I've been out of the game for a long time, but it's nice to see that 'clams is still reign supreme.
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I thought Underwood was a slam dunk :dunno:
He seemed to have all the intangibles to go with his winning record: seemed to really care about his players, teams play tough, loyal guy. Just have a gut feeling that he's going to be one that's really, really good.
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Huggins was a slam dunk hire and we won't ever see anything like it again
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Huggins was a slam dunk hire and we won't ever see anything like it again
Frank Martin was a slam dunk hire as well.
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Huggins was a slam dunk hire and we won't ever see anything like it again
Frank Martin was a slam dunk hire as well.
break away lay up
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Frank was like a 360 windmill. Like if it works, amazing, but it easily could have failed pretty LOLly
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Though probably not true for much of the fan base, I think for myself and a lot of people around here the thought/hope that Underwood could bring us back to what we had under Huggins/Frank was huge.
I'm talking style of play, toughness and success. While not the character Frank is, the product on the floor and the winner's attitude on the sideline would go a long way to returning out fan base to the rabid level it was before Currie -- by way of oscar -- began destroying it.
Really, it probably would have been better. We would have had all the positives of the Frank tenure without what some (tucks) perceived as negative. We also wouldn't have been worried about him bouncing somewhere else if he was successful.
Doesn't matter now tho.
KSU will likely rise again sometime in the relatively near future, and it will probably be fun, but it won't be the same as a return to what we had under Frank.
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Though probably not true for much of the fan base, I think for myself and a lot of people around here the thought/hope that Underwood could bring us back to what we had under Huggins/Frank was huge.
I'm talking style of play, toughness and success. While not the character Frank is, the product on the floor and the winner's attitude on the sideline would go a long way to returning out fan base to the rabid level it was before Currie -- by way of oscar -- began destroying it.
Really, it probably would have been better. We would have had all the positives of the Frank tenure without what some (tucks) perceived as negative. We also wouldn't have been worried about him bouncing somewhere else if he was successful.
Doesn't matter now tho.
KSU will likely rise again sometime in the relatively near future, and it will probably be fun, but it won't be the same as a return to what we had under Frank.
I agree with that.
But who knows, our next good run might be better than Frank!
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too many of you guys attach your k-state hoops fandom to frank martin, it's not a good look
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Though probably not true for much of the fan base, I think for myself and a lot of people around here the thought/hope that Underwood could bring us back to what we had under Huggins/Frank was huge.
I'm talking style of play, toughness and success. While not the character Frank is, the product on the floor and the winner's attitude on the sideline would go a long way to returning out fan base to the rabid level it was before Currie -- by way of oscar -- began destroying it.
Really, it probably would have been better. We would have had all the positives of the Frank tenure without what some (tucks) perceived as negative. We also wouldn't have been worried about him bouncing somewhere else if he was successful.
Doesn't matter now tho.
KSU will likely rise again sometime in the relatively near future, and it will probably be fun, but it won't be the same as a return to what we had under Frank.
If Underwood was as successful as you imagine he would absolutely be a risk to leave for a better job.
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Though probably not true for much of the fan base, I think for myself and a lot of people around here the thought/hope that Underwood could bring us back to what we had under Huggins/Frank was huge.
I'm talking style of play, toughness and success. While not the character Frank is, the product on the floor and the winner's attitude on the sideline would go a long way to returning out fan base to the rabid level it was before Currie -- by way of oscar -- began destroying it.
Really, it probably would have been better. We would have had all the positives of the Frank tenure without what some (tucks) perceived as negative. We also wouldn't have been worried about him bouncing somewhere else if he was successful.
Doesn't matter now tho.
KSU will likely rise again sometime in the relatively near future, and it will probably be fun, but it won't be the same as a return to what we had under Frank.
If Underwood was as successful as you imagine he would absolutely be a risk to leave for a better job.
Nah.
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Though probably not true for much of the fan base, I think for myself and a lot of people around here the thought/hope that Underwood could bring us back to what we had under Huggins/Frank was huge.
I'm talking style of play, toughness and success. While not the character Frank is, the product on the floor and the winner's attitude on the sideline would go a long way to returning out fan base to the rabid level it was before Currie -- by way of oscar -- began destroying it.
Really, it probably would have been better. We would have had all the positives of the Frank tenure without what some (tucks) perceived as negative. We also wouldn't have been worried about him bouncing somewhere else if he was successful.
Doesn't matter now tho.
KSU will likely rise again sometime in the relatively near future, and it will probably be fun, but it won't be the same as a return to what we had under Frank.
If Underwood was as successful as you imagine he would absolutely be a risk to leave for a better job.
Nah.
You're adorable
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Though probably not true for much of the fan base, I think for myself and a lot of people around here the thought/hope that Underwood could bring us back to what we had under Huggins/Frank was huge.
I'm talking style of play, toughness and success. While not the character Frank is, the product on the floor and the winner's attitude on the sideline would go a long way to returning out fan base to the rabid level it was before Currie -- by way of oscar -- began destroying it.
Really, it probably would have been better. We would have had all the positives of the Frank tenure without what some (tucks) perceived as negative. We also wouldn't have been worried about him bouncing somewhere else if he was successful.
Doesn't matter now tho.
KSU will likely rise again sometime in the relatively near future, and it will probably be fun, but it won't be the same as a return to what we had under Frank.
If Underwood was as successful as you imagine he would absolutely be a risk to leave for a better job.
Nah.
You're adorable
I'd be interested in your thoughts as to why. My guess is there are more points in favor of not being a risk than being one. It's not really close.
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John Currie put an expiration date on his time at K-State with the way things went down over the last week. Brad wasn't the lever to force him to play his hand right now, but it did make him double down on oscar. He's not long for the road here. Doesn't matter how much the Animal likes him. Much of the support that was keeping oscar and John above water is gone now. Some people (certainly not the majority of defectors though) are going back to supporting them after BBB didn't work out, but looking at things from the other side's perspective has weakened their renewed support. We'll have a new AD and basketball coach probably within the next two years. The last week was good for Cats bball in the long run, bummer that Brad didn't get his shot though, he deserved it.
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I'd be interested in your thoughts as to why. My guess is there are more points in favor of not being a risk than being one. It's not really close.
You're interested to know why a successful KSU coach might consider a better job? The seemingly obvious answer is to win at a higher level.
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I'd be interested in your thoughts as to why. My guess is there are more points in favor of not being a risk than being one. It's not really close.
You're interested to know why a successful KSU coach might consider a better job? The seemingly obvious answer is to win at a higher level.
It depends on what motivates you as a human being. Gottlieb the other day was talking about Brad's desire to really only coach in two states, because they fit him as a person, Oklahoma and Kansas. I think P5 basketball in a place that he enjoys is probably all that he's looking for, it's not like OSU plays in a different tourney than UNC or UK. Really doubt he leaves OSU if successful. He can coach into his 60s and retire a legend if things go well. Seems to fit his personality. Never really seemed like a ladder climber. I mean, he took a non-coaching job just to make it back to his alma mater. He's not your typical dude.
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I'd be interested in your thoughts as to why. My guess is there are more points in favor of not being a risk than being one. It's not really close.
You're interested to know why a successful KSU coach might consider a better job? The seemingly obvious answer is to win at a higher level.
The real question here is, "who gives a crap if the guy wins a ton of games for us and then decides to coach somewhere else?"
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Brad would have retired here.
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I'd be interested in your thoughts as to why. My guess is there are more points in favor of not being a risk than being one. It's not really close.
You're interested to know why a successful KSU coach might consider a better job? The seemingly obvious answer is to win at a higher level.
It depends on what motivates you as a human being. Gottlieb the other day was talking about Brad's desire to really only coach in two states, because they fit him as a person, Oklahoma and Kansas. I think P5 basketball in a place that he enjoys is probably all that he's looking for, it's not like OSU plays in a different tourney than UNC or UK. Really doubt he leaves OSU if successful. He can coach into his 60s and retire a legend if things go well. Seems to fit his personality. Never really seemed like a ladder climber. I mean, he took a non-coaching job just to make it back to his alma mater. He's not your typical dude.
There is nothing magical about coaching in Oklahoma or Kansas, even to Brad Underwood. You're assuming a lot about his personality that fits your narrative that this is exactly where he wants to be and isn't into ladder climbing, despite the fact that he has moved 4 times in the last 10 years for coaching jobs (including LEAVING the place you claim he loves so much because of his unique personality). He is absolutely your typical ladder-climbing coaching dude.
As for taking DOBO, he was a juco coach in northern Florida. It was a no-brainer move. He would likely be wallowing in the NJCAA or as a mid-major assistant if not for Huggs and Blake Young. He was incredibly lucky to get offered that job. (And to be fair, he's made the most of it.)
I'd be interested in your thoughts as to why. My guess is there are more points in favor of not being a risk than being one. It's not really close.
You're interested to know why a successful KSU coach might consider a better job? The seemingly obvious answer is to win at a higher level.
The real question here is, "who gives a crap if the guy wins a ton of games for us and then decides to coach somewhere else?"
Yes
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not sure it was his choice to leave ksu last time
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not sure it was his choice to leave ksu last time
Everyone claims he was offered an assistant position
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i have never heard that :dunno:
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the story is that he was offered a demotion. that currie and underwood had an agreement that he'd stay as assoc head coach @ x dollars and then currie/weber hired gave lowery the assoc head coach position and offered underwood 2nd or 3rd assistant @ x-y dollars.
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the story is that he was offered a demotion. that currie and underwood had an agreement that he'd stay as assoc head coach @ x dollars and then currie/weber hired gave lowery the assoc head coach position and offered underwood 2nd or 3rd assistant @ x-y dollars.
what if y was a negative number? That would have been a pretty crazy offer!
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I would be fine to have the next coach k at KSTATE for 5 years and then leaving. Good grief, I have friends that do not understand the idea that it is better to train your employees and help them grow and they end up leaving you vs not training them, they suck, and stay with you.
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I would be fine to have the next coach k at KSTATE for 5 years and then leaving. Good grief, I have friends that do not understand the idea that it is better to train your employees and help them grow and they end up leaving you vs not training them, they suck, and stay with you.
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We'd all enjoy a great five year run. We'd all enjoy a great 10-15 year run of one coach more though.
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I would be fine to have the next coach k at KSTATE for 5 years and then leaving. Good grief, I have friends that do not understand the idea that it is better to train your employees and help them grow and they end up leaving you vs not training them, they suck, and stay with you.
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We'd all enjoy a great five year run. We'd all enjoy a great 10-15 year run of one coach more though.
I don't think we'll see a "great" 15 year run at KSU again. Depends on your definition of "great" I guess. Like, Frank wasn't exactly great, but I think we all knew that if he didn't have the anger issues he would have been a candidate for much better jobs. Brad matching Frank's tenure over five years (and being issue free) gets him in the discussion for jobs like Michigan State, Maryland, Indiana, Arizona, UCLA and maybe even Kentucky when they open up. And he would listen.
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Any hope for a career coach at K-State is probably idealistic. There has been one good coach retire from K-State ever in Jack Hartman. At the end of Jack's tenure K-State was struggling badly. 4 straight years of no postseason, 3 games over .500 overall, and 18-38 in conference play. Every other successful coach left for somewhere else. Jack Gardner went to Utah. Tex Winter went to Washington. Lon Kruger went to Florida. Frank went to South Carolina.
Granted, Tex had a fairly long tenure of 15 years here, but he still left for somewhere else (and never made a trip to the tournament again in stops at Washington, Northwestern, and Long Beach State.)
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Also Cotton leaving to coach the Suns.
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I don't think we'll see a "great" 15 year run at KSU again. Depends on your definition of "great" I guess. Like, Frank wasn't exactly great, but I think we all knew that if he didn't have the anger issues he would have been a candidate for much better jobs. Brad matching Frank's tenure over five years (and being issue free) gets him in the discussion for jobs like Michigan State, Maryland, Indiana, Arizona, UCLA and maybe even Kentucky when they open up. And he would listen.
I believe we will get a chance to see if this happens with Brad with a talent like Evans to build around. OSU's AD Mike Holder is late 60s so it's not hard for me to see a successful Underwood looking around in a few years, especially if the next OSU AD is cut from the Currie cloth.
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my okie state friends are giving me so much crap. "we're going to be paying underwood almost a million dollars per year less than weber."
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"we're going to be paying underwood almost a million dollars per year less than weber."
great news, if true.
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tulsa article says it will be somewhere between 1-1.5 mil/yr
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He's came a long ways since that JUCO pay day.
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that's fantastic.
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seems about right, where does that line him up in b12 salaries?
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gotta be down at the bottom w/Prohm
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seems about right, where does that line him up in b12 salaries?
last. prohm makes 1.5 at isu
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OSU was so stupid with the Ford contract that being extra cautious with Brad makes sense.
Also, shows this wasn't about T Boone opening up his wallet. OSU quickly pursued Brad and he quickly answered. If we had pursued him at all he would've listened.
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If we come after him at some point, OSU will be more than capable of matching or offering more if they choose to.
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If we come after him at some point, OSU will be more than capable of matching or offering more if they choose to.
Definitely.
I just heard a few people on twitter say something about Boone's money with Underwood, and that's not the case at all. If we went after Brad and offered him oscar's contract he would be here.
But if/when Brad has success there, OSU will extend and pay him if that rumor for his contract is really true. They probably won't be as dumb as they were with Ford though.
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OSU was so stupid with the Ford contract that being extra cautious with Brad makes sense.
Also, shows this wasn't about T Boone opening up his wallet. OSU quickly pursued Brad and he quickly answered. If we had pursued him at all he would've listened.
Have been told that...
"Underwoods parents have shared that Brad had dialogue and offer from oSu late Sunday and his agent reached out to Currie and…….. crickets. No response."
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OSU was so stupid with the Ford contract that being extra cautious with Brad makes sense.
Also, shows this wasn't about T Boone opening up his wallet. OSU quickly pursued Brad and he quickly answered. If we had pursued him at all he would've listened.
Have been told that...
"Underwoods parents have shared that Brad had dialogue and offer from oSu late Sunday and his agent reached out to Currie and…….. crickets. No response."
from who? a cowboy fan?
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OSU was so stupid with the Ford contract that being extra cautious with Brad makes sense.
Also, shows this wasn't about T Boone opening up his wallet. OSU quickly pursued Brad and he quickly answered. If we had pursued him at all he would've listened.
Have been told that...
"Underwoods parents have shared that Brad had dialogue and offer from oSu late Sunday and his agent reached out to Currie and…….. crickets. No response."
from who? a cowboy fan?
guy from Mac who's connected to the Undies
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OSU was so stupid with the Ford contract that being extra cautious with Brad makes sense.
Also, shows this wasn't about T Boone opening up his wallet. OSU quickly pursued Brad and he quickly answered. If we had pursued him at all he would've listened.
Have been told that...
"Underwoods parents have shared that Brad had dialogue and offer from oSu late Sunday and his agent reached out to Currie and…….. crickets. No response."
from who? a cowboy fan?
guy from Mac who's connected to the Undies
don't do this to us.
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OSU was so stupid with the Ford contract that being extra cautious with Brad makes sense.
Also, shows this wasn't about T Boone opening up his wallet. OSU quickly pursued Brad and he quickly answered. If we had pursued him at all he would've listened.
Have been told that...
"Underwoods parents have shared that Brad had dialogue and offer from oSu late Sunday and his agent reached out to Currie and…….. crickets. No response."
from who? a cowboy fan?
guy from Mac who's connected to the Undies
don't do this to us.
I heard the same thing over lunch today.
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i read the same thing here around 2:23:54 pm
with this many people reporting it, it must be true
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if/when Brad has success there, OSU will extend and pay him if that rumor for his contract is really true. They probably won't be as dumb as they were with Ford though.
the window is next year, before (hopefully) he has enormous success. two years, max. currie needs to die or leave sometime in the next two years.
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checked some sources and that line about brad reaching out to currie is hooey. :facepalm:
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OSU was so stupid with the Ford contract that being extra cautious with Brad makes sense.
Also, shows this wasn't about T Boone opening up his wallet. OSU quickly pursued Brad and he quickly answered. If we had pursued him at all he would've listened.
Have been told that...
"Underwoods parents have shared that Brad had dialogue and offer from oSu late Sunday and his agent reached out to Currie and…….. crickets. No response."
from who? a cowboy fan?
guy from Mac who's connected to the Undies
Must not be too connected or he would know that it would be impossible for Brad's parents to share anything as his father is no longer living.
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I would be fine to have the next coach k at KSTATE for 5 years and then leaving. Good grief, I have friends that do not understand the idea that it is better to train your employees and help them grow and they end up leaving you vs not training them, they suck, and stay with you.
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We'd all enjoy a great five year run. We'd all enjoy a great 10-15 year run of one coach more though.
I don't think we'll see a "great" 15 year run at KSU again. Depends on your definition of "great" I guess. Like, Frank wasn't exactly great, but I think we all knew that if he didn't have the anger issues he would have been a candidate for much better jobs. Brad matching Frank's tenure over five years (and being issue free) gets him in the discussion for jobs like Michigan State, Maryland, Indiana, Arizona, UCLA and maybe even Kentucky when they open up. And he would listen.
I agree. Anyone else with that type of success would surely bolt on KSU. Almost all the other "KSU guys" are :barf options imo. Brad was that once in a generation shot to stick around for awhile imo. At least one that looks to be very good.
Underwood is a good coach, plays an exciting style, is a "KSU guy." The tipper was, at 52, he is just the right age to stick around.
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Sticking around at K-State has become a bit higher on my criteria list but not a deal breaker by any stretch. If someone bolts for Kentucky, it means they kicked ass here and good luck to them. The only thing that sucks is somewhat proven mid-major coaches don't seem as likely to leave for a K-State level program as they once were. Stevens/Smart/Marshall all seem perfectly content to kick mid-major ass until an elite comes calling.
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OSU was so stupid with the Ford contract that being extra cautious with Brad makes sense.
Also, shows this wasn't about T Boone opening up his wallet. OSU quickly pursued Brad and he quickly answered. If we had pursued him at all he would've listened.
Have been told that...
"Underwoods parents have shared that Brad had dialogue and offer from oSu late Sunday and his agent reached out to Currie and…….. crickets. No response."
from who? a cowboy fan?
guy from Mac who's connected to the Undies
Must not be too connected or he would know that it would be impossible for Brad's parents to share anything as his father is no longer living.
nope, the rumor has to be true- read it here at least 3 times
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I mean, if we really want a guy that sticks around for 10-15 years (even with a solid amount of success), we have that guy.
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Chris Lowery?
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Chris Lowery?
oscar (if he stays around). He'll be 60 after year 5. Even with a high amount of success, he's not going anywhere. He took this job planning to retire from K-State.
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Chris Lowery?
For the sake of trying to salvage the season, i think he gets interim HC in Jan-Feb if oscar has a shitty start to conference play.
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was I wrong?
WAS I WRONG??????
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You certainly weren't right, but whatever.
Re: Brad's contact and future money; it has been reported several times that OSU's private money is closely tied to oil and they're taken a significant hit. They went after Brad early and not the other guys because he was seen as "not Travis," promising, palatable, and affordable.
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Unpinned the thread..
That's what I thought...
:lol:
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You certainly weren't right, but whatever.
Re: Brad's contact and future money; it has been reported several times that OSU's private money is closely tied to oil and they're taken a significant hit. They went after Brad early and not the other guys because he was seen as "not Travis," promising, palatable, and affordable.
Delayed fuse maybe...but called the shot from reliable sources a LONG time ago that the timing wasn't going to work out.
This board sucks...but I can't look away. Emaw
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You certainly weren't right, but whatever.
Re: Brad's contact and future money; it has been reported several times that OSU's private money is closely tied to oil and they're taken a significant hit. They went after Brad early and not the other guys because he was seen as "not Travis," promising, palatable, and affordable.
Delayed fuse maybe...but called the shot from reliable sources a LONG time ago that the timing wasn't going to work out.
This board sucks...but I can't look away. Emaw
don't let the idiots that post here get you down, bookcat, you're one of the best posters on this site.
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You certainly weren't right, but whatever.
Re: Brad's contact and future money; it has been reported several times that OSU's private money is closely tied to oil and they're taken a significant hit. They went after Brad early and not the other guys because he was seen as "not Travis," promising, palatable, and affordable.
Delayed fuse maybe...but called the shot from reliable sources a LONG time ago that the timing wasn't going to work out.
This board sucks...but I can't look away. Emaw
don't let the idiots that post here get you down, bookcat, you're one of the best posters on this site.
No i'm friggin' terrible and it's inconsquential at this point.......but geezus the thin skins on the #1 KSU clique site is tremendous! :lol:
Hey, Schulz is gone and Currie is on an egg-timer...and Snyder will be taking his last lap around the league before Currie promotes his son to Head Coach to "get it over with" Good times ahead!
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UPKS is to OSU as ZULU is to KSU?
The fix was in.
https://twitter.com/kstate_1stlady/status/713754485693112320
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LOL
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Interesting....Garth in front row at oSu?
https://twitter.com/GarthGardiner (https://twitter.com/GarthGardiner)
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Interesting....Garth in front row at oSu?
https://twitter.com/GarthGardiner (https://twitter.com/GarthGardiner)
https://twitter.com/GarthGardiner/status/712804028069974016
so weird. Like, why would Brad have Garth hang out with him on day 2 of the job?
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We all converted to OSU, why shouldn't Garth be able to?
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Interesting....Garth in front row at oSu?
https://twitter.com/GarthGardiner (https://twitter.com/GarthGardiner)
according to gpc, not the only substantial kstate donor in attendance.
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Interesting....Garth in front row at oSu?
https://twitter.com/GarthGardiner (https://twitter.com/GarthGardiner)
https://twitter.com/GarthGardiner/status/712804028069974016
so weird. Like, why would Brad have Garth hang out with him on day 2 of the job?
Garth hung out with the staff all the time when Frank was here. I'm not surprised.
To be fair, Garth hung out at OU this year too. Tweets about Buddy and pics with OU players from earlier this year.
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Interesting....Garth in front row at oSu?
https://twitter.com/GarthGardiner (https://twitter.com/GarthGardiner)
https://twitter.com/GarthGardiner/status/712804028069974016
so weird. Like, why would Brad have Garth hang out with him on day 2 of the job?
Garth hung out with the staff all the time when Frank was here. I'm not surprised.
To be fair, Garth hung out at OU this year too. Tweets about Buddy and pics with OU players from earlier this year.
What's weird is how early it happened. Like, I'm guessing Brad had some work to do. And I guess keeping donors happy is part of that work, but still. Kinda strange that garth and/or Brad would think it's important to get together at that point.
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Those substantial donors should riot to change KSU.
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Those substantial donors should riot to change KSU.
tried and failed. hard to threaten a guy who already has another job.
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Garth is basically the Kansas version of the Marlins guy. What a life!
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Garth is basically the Kansas version of the Marlins guy. What a life!
Not much to do with the cattle right now. Might as well drive a few hours and see an old buddy.
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Garth is basically the Kansas version of the Marlins guy. What a life!
BUSINESS IDEA: Big 12 Fan Site (run by crack goEMAW team), funded by Garth, serves as elaborate vehicle for press passes and trip write-offs for Garth and his goEMAW team. We take the goEMAW message to every team in the Big 12. Cept BYU when they join. Cultural obstacles with that one, I suspect. I could probably handle the Provo beat tho.
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I was just in Stillwater yesterday, but didn't ask Garth for an invite :(
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Garth is basically the Kansas version of the Marlins guy. What a life!
BUSINESS IDEA: Big 12 Fan Site (run by crack goEMAW team), funded by Garth, serves as elaborate vehicle for press passes and trip write-offs for Garth and his goEMAW team. We take the goEMAW message to every team in the Big 12. Cept BYU when they join. Cultural obstacles with that one, I suspect. I could probably handle the Provo beat tho.
:Chirp:
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Garth is basically the Kansas version of the Marlins guy. What a life!
BUSINESS IDEA: Big 12 Fan Site (run by crack goEMAW team), funded by Garth, serves as elaborate vehicle for press passes and trip write-offs for Garth and his goEMAW team. We take the goEMAW message to every team in the Big 12. Cept BYU when they join. Cultural obstacles with that one, I suspect. I could probably handle the Provo beat tho.
:Chirp:
You can have the Ames beat, rook.
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:don'tcare:
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UPKS is to OSU as ZULU is to KSU?
The fix was in.
https://twitter.com/kstate_1stlady/status/713754485693112320
I know from experience what a rowdy place 'kimo joe's is but damn, Noel got her nose busted up there.
https://twitter.com/kstate_1stlady/status/714132166741860352
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who is garth gardiner?
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Interesting....Garth in front row at oSu?
https://twitter.com/GarthGardiner (https://twitter.com/GarthGardiner)
https://twitter.com/GarthGardiner/status/712804028069974016
so weird. Like, why would Brad have Garth hang out with him on day 2 of the job?
Garth hung out with the staff all the time when Frank was here. I'm not surprised.
To be fair, Garth hung out at OU this year too. Tweets about Buddy and pics with OU players from earlier this year.
What's weird is how early it happened. Like, I'm guessing Brad had some work to do. And I guess keeping donors happy is part of that work, but still. Kinda strange that garth and/or Brad would think it's important to get together at that point.
Some people like to party, man
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who is garth gardiner?
hayseed from timbuktu kansas
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Ropinfeet, iirc.
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UPKS is to OSU as ZULU is to KSU?
The fix was in.
https://twitter.com/kstate_1stlady/status/713754485693112320
I know from experience what a rowdy place 'kimo joe's is but damn, Noel got her nose busted up there.
https://twitter.com/kstate_1stlady/status/714132166741860352
Brooklyn's has a great brunch. Good for them.
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Yep, still hurts.
http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/screencap-classix-march-26-2010-1767291728 (http://screengrabber.deadspin.com/screencap-classix-march-26-2010-1767291728)