Well hello there SAE

[Dugout DickStone]

I was hazing the balls off of a pledge and missed like 5 pages.  Recap?

[DQ12]

MIR's been whipping Rusty's ass about fraternities.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Universities probably should distance themselves from fraternities.

[DQ12]

I think it's probably a pretty good idea for Universities to continue to be affiliated with fraternities/sororities so they can continue to monitor and police things like this/sex crimes/hazing.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think it's probably a pretty good idea for Universities to continue to be affiliated with fraternities/sororities so they can continue to monitor and police things like this/sex crimes/hazing.

Just move them off campus and let the police monitor and police that stuff. These racists would still have a home if they weren't affiliated with OU.

[DQ12]

I think it's probably a pretty good idea for Universities to continue to be affiliated with fraternities/sororities so they can continue to monitor and police things like this/sex crimes/hazing.

Just move them off campus and let the police monitor and police that stuff. These racists would still have a home if they weren't affiliated with OU.

I don't think the police have as much power to investigate bad stuff as universities currently do.  As an example, I know that K-State greek affairs has the power to monitor university listervs to keep an eye out for bad stuff.  They also monitor parties.

I think more oversight on greeks is probably pretty beneficial. 

[pissclams]

this isn't a fraternity thing, or a greek system thing, or a college kid thing.  it's a societal thing that exists and is protected in our country.
people want to act like you can flip a switch and turn this stuff off after it's been going on for a few hundred years.  and some people don't want to change and that should be their prerogative.
kicking the SAE's off of OU's campus changes very little in Norman, OK.   you mean to tell me that there are racist privileged frat boys in oklahoma?  sorry, i'm not buying it.

[michigancat]

You can play this game with literally any group. If all fraternities have to wear the burden of ritualized hazing, racism, and homophobia then all sports have to wear the burden of violence, bullying, educational misconduct, misogyny, and chronic sexual assault.

You're absolutely right. Look at things like the NFL scrambling to clean up the Ray Rice mess and other domestic violence issues. All NFL owners and players have a responsibility to clean that crap up even if only a few bad apples are a problem.

Duke lacrosse, for example, absolutely deserved to have their season cancelled even if not all the players were involved with whatever they were doing. It was an attempt to genuinely change the culture that you won't see from IFC.

If IFC immediately pulled their nationwide support for SAE, it would be a sign that they can support their own. KSU should kick them off campus (as this is clearly an nationwide problem), but they really can't because they already let so much go on.

All message boards have to wear the burden of bullying, racism, homophobia, misogyny, religious bigotry, and ageism. I have a feeling your stances on these groups aren't as strong. I'm guessing you aren't willing to off sports and communication via the world wide web.

The difference is message boards don't have a nationwide infrastructure designed to support and police each other.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think it's probably a pretty good idea for Universities to continue to be affiliated with fraternities/sororities so they can continue to monitor and police things like this/sex crimes/hazing.

Just move them off campus and let the police monitor and police that stuff. These racists would still have a home if they weren't affiliated with OU.

I don't think the police have as much power to investigate bad stuff as universities currently do.  As an example, I know that K-State greek affairs has the power to monitor university listervs to keep an eye out for bad stuff.  They also monitor parties.

I think more oversight on greeks is probably pretty beneficial.

Beneficial to who? These are adults and this is America. Surely they can figure out how to live in a large house without a University spying on their emails.

[michigancat]

this isn't a fraternity thing, or a greek system thing, or a college kid thing.  it's a societal thing that exists and is protected in our country.
people want to act like you can flip a switch and turn this stuff off after it's been going on for a few hundred years.  and some people don't want to change and that should be their prerogative.
kicking the SAE's off of OU's campus changes very little in Norman, OK.   you mean to tell me that there are racist privileged frat boys in oklahoma?  sorry, i'm not buying it.

There would not be kids on a party bus singing this song without SAE and their culture which is supported by a national organization going back to the antebellum south along with support from OU. You'll have racist privileged kids, but they wouldn't act like this on their own or in any modern organization.

[MakeItRain]

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/jean-delance-oklahoma-racist-chant

Recruit decommits.

Saw him and his mother on television, they piss me off and she's a shameless attention whoring exploiter.

[pissclams]

this isn't a fraternity thing, or a greek system thing, or a college kid thing.  it's a societal thing that exists and is protected in our country.
people want to act like you can flip a switch and turn this stuff off after it's been going on for a few hundred years.  and some people don't want to change and that should be their prerogative.
kicking the SAE's off of OU's campus changes very little in Norman, OK.   you mean to tell me that there are racist privileged frat boys in oklahoma?  sorry, i'm not buying it.

There would not be kids on a party bus singing this song without SAE and their culture which is supported by a national organization going back to the antebellum south along with support from OU. You'll have racist privileged kids, but they wouldn't act like this on their own or in any modern organization.

do you really believe that they wouldn't be singing/saying racists stuff outside of/without the sponsorship of, SAE?  give me a break.

[MakeItRain]

I don't know how that's possible since people of color can't be racist.

Personally, I think that's a pretty big leap that requires some manipulation of the definition of "racist".  Are you claiming that one has to be in the majority to be a racist?  I'm not trying to argue here... Just trying to understand exactly where you're drawing the line.

Dictionaries define the word "racism" as follows:

    The Oxford English Dictionary defines racism as the "belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races" and the expression of such prejudice,

    Merriam-Webster's Dictionary defines it as a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority or inferiority of a particular racial group, and alternatively that it is also the prejudice based on such a belief.

    The Macquarie Dictionary defines racism as: "the belief that human races have distinctive characteristics which determine their respective cultures, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule or dominate others."


You'll get no argument from me that what the SAE's at OU did was "racist".  However, with that said, I also saw a great deal of backlash and statements made by people of color over the past two days that I would consider as blatantly racist toward Caucasians as a whole...  Perhaps there's a loophole in the definition that I'm missing and it doesn't fall into "racism" so much as extreme segregational, xenophobic prejudice. 

Do I have to be hurt by their stupidity for it to be racist?  Or where exactly is that line drawn?  Surely you can see that there are people on both sides of the racial battle that are wholly and unabashedly wrong in their beliefs and actions.

I was being facetious

[Dugout DickStone]

I wonder how many times they told the pledges to make sure to not sing that song when other people were around and also look out for phones

[michigancat]

this isn't a fraternity thing, or a greek system thing, or a college kid thing.  it's a societal thing that exists and is protected in our country.
people want to act like you can flip a switch and turn this stuff off after it's been going on for a few hundred years.  and some people don't want to change and that should be their prerogative.
kicking the SAE's off of OU's campus changes very little in Norman, OK.   you mean to tell me that there are racist privileged frat boys in oklahoma?  sorry, i'm not buying it.

There would not be kids on a party bus singing this song without SAE and their culture which is supported by a national organization going back to the antebellum south along with support from OU. You'll have racist privileged kids, but they wouldn't act like this on their own or in any modern organization.

do you really believe that they wouldn't be singing/saying racists stuff outside of/without the sponsorship of, SAE?  give me a break.

not like this, no. This was way worse than anything you'd see on any campus without the support of fraternities.

[gatoveintisiet]

I don't know how that's possible since people of color can't be racist.

Personally, I think that's a pretty big leap that requires some manipulation of the definition of "racist".  Are you claiming that one has to be in the majority to be a racist?  I'm not trying to argue here... Just trying to understand exactly where you're drawing the line.

Dictionaries define the word "racism" as follows:

    The Oxford English Dictionary defines racism as the "belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races" and the expression of such prejudice,

    Merriam-Webster's Dictionary defines it as a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority or inferiority of a particular racial group, and alternatively that it is also the prejudice based on such a belief.

    The Macquarie Dictionary defines racism as: "the belief that human races have distinctive characteristics which determine their respective cultures, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule or dominate others."


You'll get no argument from me that what the SAE's at OU did was "racist".  However, with that said, I also saw a great deal of backlash and statements made by people of color over the past two days that I would consider as blatantly racist toward Caucasians as a whole...  Perhaps there's a loophole in the definition that I'm missing and it doesn't fall into "racism" so much as extreme segregational, xenophobic prejudice. 

Do I have to be hurt by their stupidity for it to be racist?  Or where exactly is that line drawn?  Surely you can see that there are people on both sides of the racial battle that are wholly and unabashedly wrong in their beliefs and actions.

I was being facetious

if you are gonna go around serving and owning people like this all the time, maybe you should be more clear.

[ksupamplemousse]

Fraternity members are 50% more likely than the rest of their university peers to consume a dangerous amount of alcohol. The same goes for sorority members. Sorority members are much more likely than their peers to have an eating disorder. Fraternity members are 300% more likely to commit rape than non-greek students. Sorority members have a 75% higher chance of being raped than their fellow students. Fraternity and sorority members are much more likely to use and abuse illegal drugs while in college. Fraternity houses have an incredibly disproportionate amount of violent assaults, rapes, and disabling accidents compared to other housing establishments on campus.

It would make sense that frat members are more confident racists than the rest of the student body. They've survived despite being the most dangerous place on any college campus, with basically no measurable repercussion on a national scale. I'm sure they all feel rough ridin' bullet proof for the most part.

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

Fraternity members are 50% more likely than the rest of their university peers to consume a dangerous amount of alcohol. The same goes for sorority members. Sorority members are much more likely than their peers to have an eating disorder. Fraternity members are 300% more likely to commit rape than non-greek students. Sorority members have a 75% higher chance of being raped than their fellow students. Fraternity and sorority members are much more likely to use and abuse illegal drugs while in college. Fraternity houses have an incredibly disproportionate amount of violent assaults, rapes, and disabling accidents compared to other housing establishments on campus.

It would make sense that frat members are more confident racists than the rest of the student body. They've survived despite being the most dangerous place on any college campus, with basically no measurable repercussion on a national scale. I'm sure they all feel rough ridin' bullet proof for the most part.

link?

[ksupamplemousse]

Fraternity members are 50% more likely than the rest of their university peers to consume a dangerous amount of alcohol. The same goes for sorority members. Sorority members are much more likely than their peers to have an eating disorder. Fraternity members are 300% more likely to commit rape than non-greek students. Sorority members have a 75% higher chance of being raped than their fellow students. Fraternity and sorority members are much more likely to use and abuse illegal drugs while in college. Fraternity houses have an incredibly disproportionate amount of violent assaults, rapes, and disabling accidents compared to other housing establishments on campus.

It would make sense that frat members are more confident racists than the rest of the student body. They've survived despite being the most dangerous place on any college campus, with basically no measurable repercussion on a national scale. I'm sure they all feel rough ridin' bullet proof for the most part.

link?

There have been multiple studies done on most of those issues. I'm not going to go find links for every peer reviewed paper.

[MakeItRain]

Fraternity members are 50% more likely than the rest of their university peers to consume a dangerous amount of alcohol. The same goes for sorority members. Sorority members are much more likely than their peers to have an eating disorder. Fraternity members are 300% more likely to commit rape than non-greek students. Sorority members have a 75% higher chance of being raped than their fellow students. Fraternity and sorority members are much more likely to use and abuse illegal drugs while in college. Fraternity houses have an incredibly disproportionate amount of violent assaults, rapes, and disabling accidents compared to other housing establishments on campus.

It would make sense that frat members are more confident racists than the rest of the student body. They've survived despite being the most dangerous place on any college campus, with basically no measurable repercussion on a national scale. I'm sure they all feel rough ridin' bullet proof for the most part.

If those stats are in fact attributable you could attain the same numbers from any group of 18-22 year olds living communally. There's nothing inherent within greek life that makes them more susceptible to these prevalent issues within the 18-22 demographic.

Your second paragraph about confident racism is total bull crap.

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

Fraternity members are 50% more likely than the rest of their university peers to consume a dangerous amount of alcohol. The same goes for sorority members. Sorority members are much more likely than their peers to have an eating disorder. Fraternity members are 300% more likely to commit rape than non-greek students. Sorority members have a 75% higher chance of being raped than their fellow students. Fraternity and sorority members are much more likely to use and abuse illegal drugs while in college. Fraternity houses have an incredibly disproportionate amount of violent assaults, rapes, and disabling accidents compared to other housing establishments on campus.

It would make sense that frat members are more confident racists than the rest of the student body. They've survived despite being the most dangerous place on any college campus, with basically no measurable repercussion on a national scale. I'm sure they all feel rough ridin' bullet proof for the most part.

link?

There have been multiple studies done on most of those issues. I'm not going to go find links for every peer reviewed paper.

well then i dont believe you.

[ksupamplemousse]

Fraternity members are 50% more likely than the rest of their university peers to consume a dangerous amount of alcohol. The same goes for sorority members. Sorority members are much more likely than their peers to have an eating disorder. Fraternity members are 300% more likely to commit rape than non-greek students. Sorority members have a 75% higher chance of being raped than their fellow students. Fraternity and sorority members are much more likely to use and abuse illegal drugs while in college. Fraternity houses have an incredibly disproportionate amount of violent assaults, rapes, and disabling accidents compared to other housing establishments on campus.

It would make sense that frat members are more confident racists than the rest of the student body. They've survived despite being the most dangerous place on any college campus, with basically no measurable repercussion on a national scale. I'm sure they all feel rough ridin' bullet proof for the most part.

link?

There have been multiple studies done on most of those issues. I'm not going to go find links for every peer reviewed paper.

well then i dont believe you.

Okay 

[Rage Against the McKee]

Fraternity members are 50% more likely than the rest of their university peers to consume a dangerous amount of alcohol. The same goes for sorority members. Sorority members are much more likely than their peers to have an eating disorder. Fraternity members are 300% more likely to commit rape than non-greek students. Sorority members have a 75% higher chance of being raped than their fellow students. Fraternity and sorority members are much more likely to use and abuse illegal drugs while in college. Fraternity houses have an incredibly disproportionate amount of violent assaults, rapes, and disabling accidents compared to other housing establishments on campus.

It would make sense that frat members are more confident racists than the rest of the student body. They've survived despite being the most dangerous place on any college campus, with basically no measurable repercussion on a national scale. I'm sure they all feel rough ridin' bullet proof for the most part.

If those stats are in fact attributable you could attain the same numbers from any group of 18-22 year olds living communally. There's nothing inherent within greek life that makes them more susceptible to these prevalent issues within the 18-22 demographic.

Your second paragraph about confident racism is total bull crap.

Universities aren't affiliated with these other groups of 18-22 year olds.

[The1BigWillie]

Racist Oklahoma Frat's House Mom Filmed Chanting Racist Slurs

http://gawker.com/racist-oklahoma-frats-house-mom-filmed-chanting-racist-1690497354

 

[ksupamplemousse]

Fraternity members are 50% more likely than the rest of their university peers to consume a dangerous amount of alcohol. The same goes for sorority members. Sorority members are much more likely than their peers to have an eating disorder. Fraternity members are 300% more likely to commit rape than non-greek students. Sorority members have a 75% higher chance of being raped than their fellow students. Fraternity and sorority members are much more likely to use and abuse illegal drugs while in college. Fraternity houses have an incredibly disproportionate amount of violent assaults, rapes, and disabling accidents compared to other housing establishments on campus.

It would make sense that frat members are more confident racists than the rest of the student body. They've survived despite being the most dangerous place on any college campus, with basically no measurable repercussion on a national scale. I'm sure they all feel rough ridin' bullet proof for the most part.

If those stats are in fact attributable you could attain the same numbers from any group of 18-22 year olds living communally. There's nothing inherent within greek life that makes them more susceptible to these prevalent issues within the 18-22 demographic.

Your second paragraph about confident racism is total bull crap.

There are many things about greek life that I would assume lends it to these things happening with more regularity. I'm not a sociologist or risk management specialist though, so it's not a hill I'm ready to die on either. Also, mob mentality absolutely creates a more confident racist, especially when the mob has experienced great success at avoiding the consequences of its actions.