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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #5225 on: June 15, 2010, 08:40:00 AM »
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/andy_staples/06/15/texas.big.12/index.html?eref=sihp

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In the end, it was money and Texas that saved Big 12 from extinction Story Highlights
Texas announced it was declining the Pac-10's invite and would stay in the Big 12
Ultimately, UT wanted to keep its local TV rights, which the Pac-10 wouldn't allow
Despite losing Colorado and Nebraska, the new Big 12 lineup may be better off
   
In giving Texas local TV rights, commissioner Dan Beebe and the Big 12 helped to keep the Longhorns from leaving the conference.

AUSTIN, Texas -- A week before his conference stood on the brink of annihilation and two weeks before the 11th-hour gambit that saved it, Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe sent an e-mail to the presidents of the league's 12 member schools.

"The attached confidential 'white paper' was distributed to the other governance groups today," Beebe wrote on June 1. "As I was listing the reasons for the Big 12 for myself, I decided it would be appropriate to share my thoughts with the leadership groups of the conference."

The attached white paper, obtained by SI.com through a public records request to the University of Colorado, contains many of the same points Beebe made Monday as he worked with school officials to salvage the conference. In the paper, Beebe predicted that a network would pay more to televise Big 12 football games. Fox promised to do just that. Beebe also predicted that radical realignment could have serious consequences for college sports. Powerful outsiders, concerned that the Pac-10's plan to supersize to 16 by pillaging the Big 12 would set off an unstoppable chain of events, helped broker the deal, which may have saved college sports as currently constituted.

Beebe could not have predicted, however, that the factors everyone always assumed would destroy the Big 12 -- the outsize influence of the University of Texas and the Longhorns' desire to get richer -- would wind up saving it. Because when Texas officials asked Pac-10 officials at the last minute if the Longhorns could retain their local television rights, that's when the Big 12 finally got the upper hand. The Pac-10 wanted to start a cable network similar to the Big Ten's. To do that, it needed to retain its member schools' local TV rights.

So even though television revenue still won't be split equally in the Big 12 -- a major bone of contention since the conference formed in 1994 -- the league promised its remaining 10 members that everyone would get more. Local television rights, as before, would remain property of the schools. That was enough for Texas, which now can explore the idea of starting its own cable network.

In the white paper, Beebe hinted at the possibility of a far more lucrative deal with Fox, which to this point has carried Big 12 games only on its regional cable networks. Though the Big 12's larger ESPN/ABC contract doesn't expire until 2016, the Fox deal is up next year. That allowed Beebe to float the idea of an almost immediate shot of new revenue.

"Conversations with Fox indicate their bullishness about competing in the future for our rights, and they have already made overtures about their willingness to pay exponentially higher rights fees than those in our current agreements," Beebe wrote in the paper. "A primary driver of higher rights fees are competitors for the rights and all information is that there are more serious bidders about to enter the marketplace."

Beebe also warned that the move to superconferences in a blatant cash-grab would have invited "more governmental, legal and public scrutiny" and could have resulted in athletic programs losing their tax-exempt status and possibly the payment of athletes for their services.

"Pressure to compete may rise with resulting higher salaries and more churning of ADs and coaches," he wrote. "Clear identification of the highest level of intercollegiate athletics reduced to a smaller grouping of schools (e.g., four 16-member conferences) could cause eventual tax consequences and tremendous pressure to pay those student-athletes responsible in programs driving the most revenue and pressure, and whose coaches and administrators are receiving more and more financial rewards."

That wasn't enough to stop Colorado, which moved to the Pac-10 last week in spite of Beebe's criticism that the league's "facilities and fair weather fans are a disappointment." It also didn't stop Nebraska, which moved to the Big Ten last week in spite of Beebe's warning about "linking the future with a part of the country that is losing population and tax base relative to the Sun Belt."

Still, the decision by Texas and the other Big 12 South schools to stay should stave off any further radical realignment. If the Pac-10 doesn't expand to 16 and Notre Dame sticks to its stated goal of remaining independent in football, the Big Ten may opt to remain at 12 teams. That would keep the Big East safe. With Texas A&M still in the Big 12 and no obvious reason to get bigger, the SEC likely will remain at 12 schools. That would keep the ACC safe.

In the end, arguments and threats didn't keep the Big 12 together. Money and Texas -- which essentially go hand over fist -- kept the league in business.

The tower on the Texas campus stood bathed in white light Monday night. Over in College Station, they're probably wondering why the tower wasn't lit entirely orange. An orange tower, in the Longhorns' parlance, signifies a major athletic victory, particularly one over Texas A&M.

But Texas didn't win everything it wanted Monday, even though it wound up squarely in charge of a BCS conference with the promise of a higher annual payout from the league and the potential financial juggernaut of its own cable network. Had the Pac-10 given in to the Longhorns' demands, it would have allowed the nation's richest athletic program to start its own cable network and at the same time enjoy the largesse provided by a 16-team superconference whose footprint included five of the nation's top-10 television markets. The only problem? That never was part of the deal. The Pac-16 would have used the model that has worked so well for the Big Ten.

The Big 12 still lost Colorado and Nebraska, but it may have emerged with a lineup that can better coexist in the long run because the schools involved -- with the possible exception of Texas A&M -- can accept the fact that Texas runs the show. Oklahoma and Oklahoma State would have been fine in either the Pac-16 or the Big 12. Texas Tech probably would have as well. But Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State and Missouri faced a fall into a conference outside college sports' power structure. For keeping them afloat, they owe Texas everything. The only place where debate will rage is College Station. The Aggies were targeted by the SEC, and some believed they needed to emerge from the long shadow cast by the Longhorns.

The choice to save the Big 12 will reverberate far beyond its geographic footprint. The sudden flurry of realignment possibilities rang alarm bells at the highest levels of college athletics. Suddenly, the idea of even fewer conferences holding most of the power seemed quite realistic. Even the possibility of the most powerful conferences breaking free from the NCAA didn't seem so far-fetched anymore. We always knew money drove the decisions in big-time college sports, but never had that fact been so nakedly obvious. "There was no way," one high-ranking NCAA source said, "to tell how far this thing was going to go."

Now, thanks to Texas and Beebe and the conference that wouldn't die, the rolling ball of butcher knives has stopped. Are college sports better off? Maybe. That remains to be seen. But at least they're stable.

For now.

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #5226 on: June 15, 2010, 08:50:43 AM »
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That wasn't enough to stop Colorado, which moved to the Pac-10 last week in spite of Beebe's criticism that the league's "facilities and fair weather fans are a disappointment." It also didn't stop Nebraska, which moved to the Big Ten last week in spite of Beebe's warning about "linking the future with a part of the country that is losing population and tax base relative to the Sun Belt."

Did Beebe really say that?  :lol:

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« Reply #5227 on: June 15, 2010, 09:01:20 AM »
It is funny, but it is kind of true.

How often does UCLA basketball sell out??  Even when they're good they have trouble filling up Pawley Pavillion.




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« Reply #5228 on: June 15, 2010, 09:12:25 AM »
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That wasn't enough to stop Colorado, which moved to the Pac-10 last week in spite of Beebe's criticism that the league's "facilities and fair weather fans are a disappointment." It also didn't stop Nebraska, which moved to the Big Ten last week in spite of Beebe's warning about "linking the future with a part of the country that is losing population and tax base relative to the Sun Belt."

Did Beebe really say that?  :lol:
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This Beebe guy is alright in my book.

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« Reply #5229 on: June 15, 2010, 09:13:16 AM »
Listened to 810 on the way to work this morning and the dude from Powermizzou.com was on talking about how pissed off all the Mizzou fans are about being stuck in the Whataburger 10 instead of the Big 10.  He likened it to being promised a shiney new Mustang for your 16th birthday and then getting a broken down Hyundai.  It is fairly clear to me that Mizzou is the ugly girl who hasn't yet figured out that she is ugly or the poor kid who wears the same Tommy Hilfiger shirt to school everyday while trying to fit in with the rich kids.  Someday Mizzou will realize who and what they are and accept it.  It's a nice feeling once you have done this, IMO.  

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« Reply #5230 on: June 15, 2010, 09:15:13 AM »
You have to understand when you've been face down ass up for 3 or 4 decades and you think the big schlong is going to arrive at any second . . . and it doesn't, well the disappointment is going to be palatable.


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« Reply #5231 on: June 15, 2010, 09:18:36 AM »
I think a lot of us owe Beebe an apology for the horrible things we said about him.  While we thought he was waiting out the storm, he was actually out there hatin' up a storm on the other conferencews.  Dude kinda sounds like an bad person. 

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #5232 on: June 15, 2010, 09:19:33 AM »
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That wasn't enough to stop Colorado, which moved to the Pac-10 last week in spite of Beebe's criticism that the league's "facilities and fair weather fans are a disappointment." It also didn't stop Nebraska, which moved to the Big Ten last week in spite of Beebe's warning about "linking the future with a part of the country that is losing population and tax base relative to the Sun Belt."

Did Beebe really say that?  :lol:

Well, it came from Beebe's office but those of us who know BSAC's writing style know who really penned that beauty.

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #5233 on: June 15, 2010, 10:03:24 AM »
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That wasn't enough to stop Colorado, which moved to the Pac-10 last week in spite of Beebe's criticism that the league's "facilities and fair weather fans are a disappointment." It also didn't stop Nebraska, which moved to the Big Ten last week in spite of Beebe's warning about "linking the future with a part of the country that is losing population and tax base relative to the Sun Belt."

Did Beebe really say that?  :lol:
it's good stuff, and true.  if k-state were smart we would relocate our campus and the terror thing down to Scottsdale immediately.


Cheesy Mustache QB might make an appearance.

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« Reply #5234 on: June 15, 2010, 10:16:57 AM »
BSAC?    :confused:
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« Reply #5236 on: June 15, 2010, 10:22:22 AM »
BSAC?    :confused:

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« Reply #5237 on: June 15, 2010, 10:26:32 AM »
It was a rough go for awhile but we twisted the arms we needed to twist and got the thing done.  I can't go into a lot of details...yet. 

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« Reply #5238 on: June 15, 2010, 10:29:32 AM »
It was a rough go for awhile but we twisted the arms we needed to twist and got the thing done.  I can't go into a lot of details...yet. 

Need a BSAC emote yesterday. :users:
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« Reply #5239 on: June 15, 2010, 10:32:38 AM »
I want a T. Boonesque BSAC insight video.

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« Reply #5240 on: June 15, 2010, 10:42:37 AM »
The Texas Prez was just asked about the strength of schedule of the 10 team league at his press conference.  He said that Oklahoma, A&M, and..........KANSAS STATE have all been strong  :kstatriot:

Well I'd hope so!  WE FRACKING OWN YOU!
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« Reply #5241 on: June 15, 2010, 10:45:26 AM »
The Texas Prez was just asked about the strength of schedule of the 10 team league at his press conference.  He said that Oklahoma, A&M, and..........KANSAS STATE have all been strong  :kstatriot:

Well I'd hope so!  WE FRACKING OWN YOU!

Ya, it's totally in their heads now.  Like chaining a baby elephant, the adult can't shake the psychological bind.

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« Reply #5242 on: June 15, 2010, 10:53:33 AM »
I don't normally listen to 810, but Petro is a little whiny prick.

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« Reply #5243 on: June 15, 2010, 10:54:56 AM »
It was a rough go for awhile but we twisted the arms we needed to twist and got the thing done.  I can't go into a lot of details...yet. 

Need a BSAC emote yesterday. :users:

While you're at it I'd love to see an emote,

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« Reply #5244 on: June 15, 2010, 10:59:34 AM »
I don't normally listen to 810, but Petro is a little whiny prick.

Did he really want us to go to the MWC so we can win?  I would take second place to Texas over winning the MWC any day.

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« Reply #5245 on: June 15, 2010, 11:07:24 AM »
The Texas Prez was just asked about the strength of schedule of the 10 team league at his press conference.  He said that Oklahoma, A&M, and..........KANSAS STATE have all been strong  :kstatriot:

Well I'd hope so!  WE FRACKING OWE YOU!

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« Reply #5246 on: June 15, 2010, 11:09:09 AM »
The Texas Prez was just asked about the strength of schedule of the 10 team league at his press conference.  He said that Oklahoma, A&M, and..........KANSAS STATE have all been strong  :kstatriot:

Well I'd hope so!  WE FRACKING OWN YOU!

Ya, it's totally in their heads now.  Like chaining a baby elephant, the adult can't shake the psychological bind.

Perfect analogy.

Mack still sees Yamon streaking down the field and Jordy turning the corner in his nightmares.

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« Reply #5247 on: June 15, 2010, 11:09:17 AM »
The Texas Prez was just asked about the strength of schedule of the 10 team league at his press conference.  He said that Oklahoma, A&M, and..........KANSAS STATE have all been strong  :kstatriot:

Well I'd hope so!  WE FRACKING OWE YOU!

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« Reply #5248 on: June 15, 2010, 11:13:05 AM »
Tardville still extremely butt hurt that they weren't at the forefront of conference re-alignment, rather a filler school at best.

Sad . . . really.


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« Reply #5249 on: June 15, 2010, 11:20:16 AM »
The thing that strikes me this morning is how the sun shined on the dog's ass -  aTm. They ended up in the 20M payout bracket with UT and OU. How does that work??? I hate aTm