Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....

[Panjandrum]

I think the reality is that the 4 team playoff will be expanded to 8 teams in less than 10 teams pretty quickly, anyway. It is much harder to pick the 4 best teams than it is the 2 best teams.

Well, I agree in the sense that I think they eventually go to eight, but mainly it's because they'll all make more money doing that.

[Katpappy]

In hindsight it looks like the big12 really dropped the ball not getting Louisville in to the conference

lville football was a myth this year. would have finished like 7th in the big 12. they have always been a great bball program which means nothing. sick of people repeating this dumb talking point.

The decision to take Louisville would have had zero to do with the past season. Louisville football has been just as good if not better than WVU the last 20 years. Anyway it is stupid to make a decision on a school for a conference based on how good a football team currently is, those things are cyclical. The decisions should be based on the earning potential of the school for the conference. I love 10 for the Big 12 but Louisville would have been a better choice for the conference over TCU because of the cash potential, it shouldn't have mattered that TCU has been better the last 15 years.

MIR, you're a good man.  But do a little research before you start saying crap that makes you look stupid.  WVU is a top 15 team in all time wins.  UL stadium capacity was around 40,000 up to a few years ago; WVU is over 60,000 and sells out many more times that LU ever has. 

Only an idiot would think LU is a better choice over VWU. 

Do you know how to read? Did someone who's first language isn't English summarize that for you? There wasn't a single point you made that had anything to do with what I posted.

Did you forget about this little tidbit.

[DQ12]

What an astonishingly bizarre angle for that scoreboard.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think the reality is that the 4 team playoff will be expanded to 8 teams in less than 10 teams pretty quickly, anyway. It is much harder to pick the 4 best teams than it is the 2 best teams.

Well, I agree in the sense that I think they eventually go to eight, but mainly it's because they'll all make more money doing that.

Holy crap, my post made no sense. This Angel business is messing with my head.

[MakeItRain]

What an astonishingly bizarre angle for that scoreboard.

There's a weirdly shaped building behind it.

[michigancat]

The differences are where they were ranked in the preseason, when they lost, and who they lost to.

So in that case, what does it matter whether we have a CCG or not?  Alabama makes the playoff because of things completely unrelated to the SEC CCG (ie, they were the best team in the country), and K-State misses the playoff because of things completely unrelated to the lack of a Big 12 CCG (ie, we were not one of the top 4 teams in the country).

yeah, I love the ten team round robin and have zero interest in a ccg.

[MakeItRain]

In hindsight it looks like the big12 really dropped the ball not getting Louisville in to the conference

lville football was a myth this year. would have finished like 7th in the big 12. they have always been a great bball program which means nothing. sick of people repeating this dumb talking point.

The decision to take Louisville would have had zero to do with the past season. Louisville football has been just as good if not better than WVU the last 20 years. Anyway it is stupid to make a decision on a school for a conference based on how good a football team currently is, those things are cyclical. The decisions should be based on the earning potential of the school for the conference. I love 10 for the Big 12 but Louisville would have been a better choice for the conference over TCU because of the cash potential, it shouldn't have mattered that TCU has been better the last 15 years.

MIR, you're a good man.  But do a little research before you start saying crap that makes you look stupid.  WVU is a top 15 team in all time wins.  UL stadium capacity was around 40,000 up to a few years ago; WVU is over 60,000 and sells out many more times that LU ever has. 

Only an idiot would think LU is a better choice over VWU. 

Do you know how to read? Did someone who's first language isn't English summarize that for you? There wasn't a single point you made that had anything to do with what I posted.

Did you forget about this little tidbit.

I'm confused as to where you addressed what I bolded, Kansas football has more all-time wins than Kansas State but that has nothing to do with the following statement; K-State has been better than Kansas the last 20 years. I'm betting you will struggle understanding this too, I've already conceded that you had no clue what my larger point was with that post.

[MakeItRain]

9 of the 14-20 guys picking/seeding the playoff will come from conferences that have a CCG. You're lying to yourself if you don't think they won't look down their noses at the one conference pussying out on the 13 game because UT, OU, and their commish have been very open about avoiding an extra stubbling block.

This is bullshit conjecture. You don't make multi-million dollar decisions based on some conspiracy theory rooted in an inferiority complex. All the evidence we have is that the Big 12 having ten teams is no deterrent to having a team in a four team playoff. Last season the conference was down and we were still the 2nd best conference in the country.

If you want to have a conference championship because you think they are fun then fine say that, like GFA did, but lets not act like the Big 12 is looked at like some second rate cake walk because that isn't true and you know it.

Im saying Deloss, Bowlsby, and Boren should have kept their rough ridin' mouths shut about openly saying we don't want to have to play an extra game like everyone else does. Fortunately for them, they are the only two programs who can get around it. If any if the other 8 go 11-1 to win the conference they will get passed by a 12-1 team from another conference every year.  There is no way we are going to 12 now anyway with the available options, so the discussion if we should go to 12 for a CCG is moot. Just saying if you want to stay at 10, fine, just don't make public comments that admit you think playing one less game makes it easier.

Weird that you think those comments would matter in the grand scheme of selecting teams for the postseason. Also their comments clearly meant that not playing a CCG allows for the best team in the conference not to get fluked out of a spot on the last day of the season, this is not at all a controversial stance, pretty common sensy.

[TheHamburglar]

Sorry MIR, I think the other 4 power conferences will fight as hard as they can to set a precedence that playing an extra game makes their schedules harder. Those guys quotes will be Exhibit A that the Big12 is scared to play it, therefore it must mean that they must be given extra credit for playing an extra game. They will have those quotes printed and ready to use the first chance they get, especially the ACC.

I get the "we don't want to slip up" stance, I just think it will be used as ammo that we have had multiple people within the conference admit it. It's in the best interest of those others that a CCG be given extra weight. I don't think it's a conspiracy, I think they'll honestly believe the extra game makes their schedule harder and will say and vote that way.

[Panjandrum]

All of the guys on the WVU board are acting like Angel just transferred.

[MakeItRain]

Sorry MIR, I think the other 4 power conferences will fight as hard as they can to set a precedence that playing an extra game makes their schedules harder. Those guys quotes will be Exhibit A that the Big12 is scared to play it, therefore it must mean that they must be given extra credit for playing an extra game. They will have those quotes printed and ready to use the first chance they get, especially the ACC.

I get the "we don't want to slip up" stance, I just think it will be used as ammo that we have had multiple people within the conference admit it. It's in the best interest of those others that a CCG be given extra weight. I don't think it's a conspiracy, I think they'll honestly believe the extra game makes their schedule harder and will say and vote that way.

So you think "they" will ignore the actual SOS numbers that will show that in most cases a true round robin is stronger than divisional play in favor of some old quotes that you aren't taking in their proper context?

[DQ12]

What an astonishingly bizarre angle for that scoreboard.

There's a weirdly shaped building behind it.

what a dumb place.  i hope i never have to go there.

[TheHamburglar]

Sorry MIR, I think the other 4 power conferences will fight as hard as they can to set a precedence that playing an extra game makes their schedules harder. Those guys quotes will be Exhibit A that the Big12 is scared to play it, therefore it must mean that they must be given extra credit for playing an extra game. They will have those quotes printed and ready to use the first chance they get, especially the ACC.

I get the "we don't want to slip up" stance, I just think it will be used as ammo that we have had multiple people within the conference admit it. It's in the best interest of those others that a CCG be given extra weight. I don't think it's a conspiracy, I think they'll honestly believe the extra game makes their schedule harder and will say and vote that way.

So you think "they" will ignore the actual SOS numbers that will show that in most cases a true round robin is stronger than divisional play in favor of some old quotes that you aren't taking in their proper context?

If its down to a 12-1 ACC team and a 11-1 Big12 team you don't think the ACC rep won't be throwing them out as fast as he can. If he's not, he's terrible as his job. I like how you put "they" in quotes. I didn't throw out some random "they". It's obvious who they are, it's the reps from the power conferences whose teams also played an extra game.  Sorry you don't agree with my opinion.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Sorry MIR, I think the other 4 power conferences will fight as hard as they can to set a precedence that playing an extra game makes their schedules harder. Those guys quotes will be Exhibit A that the Big12 is scared to play it, therefore it must mean that they must be given extra credit for playing an extra game. They will have those quotes printed and ready to use the first chance they get, especially the ACC.

I get the "we don't want to slip up" stance, I just think it will be used as ammo that we have had multiple people within the conference admit it. It's in the best interest of those others that a CCG be given extra weight. I don't think it's a conspiracy, I think they'll honestly believe the extra game makes their schedule harder and will say and vote that way.

So you think "they" will ignore the actual SOS numbers that will show that in most cases a true round robin is stronger than divisional play in favor of some old quotes that you aren't taking in their proper context?

If its down to a 12-1 ACC team and a 11-1 Big12 team you don't think the ACC rep won't be throwing them out as fast as he can. If he's not, he's terrible as his job. I like how you put "they" in quotes. I didn't throw out some random "they". It's obvious who they are, it's the reps from the power conferences whose teams also played an extra game.  Sorry you don't agree with my opinion.

JFC, look at who is in the ACC. That conference is going to have to get a whole lot better before a 12-1 ACC team would get in over a 10-2 Big 12 team.

[ednksu]

Lol at the ACC trashing going on here.  If a 12-1 FSU, Miami, or maybe VaTech is up against K-State with 1 or 2 losses you're fooling yourself if you think K-State gets the nod.

And unless there is a hard and fast rule saying that w/ls and some sort of statistical measurement has to be used, teams will most certainly get screwed out of a birth based on various types of bias.  SOS means crap to some of the power brokers in college athletics.  See K-State consistently getting screwed year after year by the BCS to the point that there are actually rules against K-Stating teams. 

[wetwillie]

everybody shut up

[Rage Against the McKee]

Lol at the ACC trashing going on here.  If a 12-1 FSU, Miami, or maybe VaTech is up against K-State with 1 or 2 losses you're fooling yourself if you think K-State gets the nod.

And unless there is a hard and fast rule saying that w/ls and some sort of statistical measurement has to be used, teams will most certainly get screwed out of a birth based on various types of bias.  SOS means crap to some of the power brokers in college athletics.  See K-State consistently getting screwed year after year by the BCS to the point that there are actually rules against K-Stating teams.

 

[MakeItRain]

everybody shut up

eff off, you're using it very wrong

[Katpappy]

Sorry MIR, I think the other 4 power conferences will fight as hard as they can to set a precedence that playing an extra game makes their schedules harder. Those guys quotes will be Exhibit A that the Big12 is scared to play it, therefore it must mean that they must be given extra credit for playing an extra game. They will have those quotes printed and ready to use the first chance they get, especially the ACC.

I get the "we don't want to slip up" stance, I just think it will be used as ammo that we have had multiple people within the conference admit it. It's in the best interest of those others that a CCG be given extra weight. I don't think it's a conspiracy, I think they'll honestly believe the extra game makes their schedule harder and will say and vote that way.

So you think "they" will ignore the actual SOS numbers that will show that in most cases a true round robin is stronger than divisional play in favor of some old quotes that you aren't taking in their proper context?

If the round robin SOS is so great, explain why OSU & KSU didn't play for the championship in '11 & '12.  Both had 1 loss Alabama picked over them, even thou we had the better SOS.

P.S.  Don't act condescending and all rough ridin' intellectually superior.  Please answer why our great SOS doesn't get a one loss team other than TU or OU in the MNC over big schools with one loss.

[TheHamburglar]

I guess we'll find out in the next 3 days what the Sun Belt commish meant when he said conferences will have to have 12 and a CCG to get the full financial benefit of the playoff (or if the writer took a comment tried to jump to a conclusion and run with it to get a scoop).

[Skipper44]

As much as it hurt for OSU and KSU fans to be passed over a 1 loss Alabama the real pain is the precedent it is setting.  If OU or UT ever gets the same treatment we are in trouble. 

[Katpappy]

I guess we'll find out in the next 3 days what the Sun Belt commish meant when he said conferences will have to have 12 and a CCG to get the full financial benefit of the playoff (or if the writer took a comment tried to jump to a conclusion and run with it to get a scoop).

I have read that article too.  I think it was a direct quote.

[Katpappy]

As much as it hurt for OSU and KSU fans to be passed over a 1 loss Alabama the real pain is the precedent it is setting.  If OU or UT ever gets the same treatment we are in trouble.

It will never happen.  OU was picked as number one contender in '04 MNC at the Sugar Bowl, even thou we had beat them in the CCG.

[Panjandrum]

As much as it hurt for OSU and KSU fans to be passed over a 1 loss Alabama the real pain is the precedent it is setting.  If OU or UT ever gets the same treatment we are in trouble.

If it happens to OU or UT, we'll have 12 members by the following season.

[michigancat]

Sorry MIR, I think the other 4 power conferences will fight as hard as they can to set a precedence that playing an extra game makes their schedules harder. Those guys quotes will be Exhibit A that the Big12 is scared to play it, therefore it must mean that they must be given extra credit for playing an extra game. They will have those quotes printed and ready to use the first chance they get, especially the ACC.

I get the "we don't want to slip up" stance, I just think it will be used as ammo that we have had multiple people within the conference admit it. It's in the best interest of those others that a CCG be given extra weight. I don't think it's a conspiracy, I think they'll honestly believe the extra game makes their schedule harder and will say and vote that way.

So you think "they" will ignore the actual SOS numbers that will show that in most cases a true round robin is stronger than divisional play in favor of some old quotes that you aren't taking in their proper context?

If the round robin SOS is so great, explain why OSU & KSU didn't play for the championship in '11 & '12.  Both had 1 lose Alabama picked over them, even thou we had the better SOS.

preseason rankings, when we lost, and who we lost to.