Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....

[catzacker]

i love our 10 and want to stay with our 10.

i'd much rather be a 10 strong league than 16 kinda ok league.

I think we can be a strong 12 team league.

[Teddy_Westside]

I don’t understand why the 16 team model has to be the model for everyone in every part of the country.  It’s like no one has ever read Moneyball.

If we go to four 16 team leagues, wouldn't they eventually reorganize based of regional geography? Then we would be back to where we started but just watered down by division play against weak teams? 

THIS. After realignment, reorganization. I'm sure that some conference would like to dump some bottom feeders.

They won't reorganize to fit into geographic regions.  The SEC is rejecting schools like Flordia State and Clemson because they those schools ARE in their region.  If they are trying so hard to get into new markets now why would they reorganize later just so they can be back to the same markets they had before all of this started?

Who says the SEC has to change or take FSU and Clemson? Reorganization may be for the the other 3. Also the SEC may want to trade teams.

Aren't the other 3 expanding to do the same thing the SEC is? Isn't that the whole point of expansion? Maybe a few teams switch conferences but I don't think there will ever be some big re-doing of conference affiliation between any of the big 4.

["storm"nut]

What if Big 10 wants 20?  Two 10 division teams for perfect scheduling like us and they get to have "Big 10" sort of still make sense.

Very true as well. One conference can do that but if others try the team to pick from are very ugly.

[Rage Against the McKee]

What if Big 10 wants 20?  Two 10 division teams for perfect scheduling like us and they get to have "Big 10" sort of still make sense.

Maybe we should start acquiring shitty programs from the WAC, Sunbelt, and Conference USA. We can build a 10 team subconference, called the "Little 12". These teams would play each other for the Little 12 championship, and we would work something out so that every Big 12 team gets a home game every year with a Little 12 team. Then, in the postseason, we could set up a bowl game where the worst team in the Big 12 plays the Little 12 champ. If the Big 12 team loses, they get relegated and the Little 12 champ gets a season with the big boys the next year.

[chum1]

What's so great about our 10?  We should rename ourselves the Big We're With Texas (the state) Conference.  And, I mean, Texas (the state) is kinda jank.

[michigancat]

What's so great about our 10?  We should rename ourselves the Big We're With Texas (the state) Conference.  And, I mean, Texas (the state) is kinda jank.

round robin+familiarity is fun, playing in TX twice a year is good, money is good. and I'm fine w/ hanging onto Texas's nuts.

[Rage Against the McKee]

What's so great about our 10?  We should rename ourselves the Big We're With Texas (the state) Conference.  And, I mean, Texas (the state) is kinda jank.

These last two seasons of playing a ranked team just about every week and beating them have been tons of fun. I wouldn't trade that for some shitty divisional play schedule, unless both divisions were really great.

[steve dave]

What's so great about our 10?  We should rename ourselves the Big We're With Texas (the state) Conference.  And, I mean, Texas (the state) is kinda jank.

These last two seasons of playing a ranked team just about every week and beating them have been tons of fun. I wouldn't trade that for some shitty divisional play schedule, unless both divisions were really great.

yeah, getting our asses beat almost every week by ranked teams is going to be equally sucky soon.

[Pete]

yeah, getting our asses beat almost every week by ranked teams is going to be equally sucky soon.

THIS!

[GoodForAnother]

12+ is better than 10.  add more programs and schedule it right and we too can become criminally overrated like the sec.  10 is very loser-y and small time-y.  just look at what going to divisions and a ccg did for the reputation of the pac 12 this year.

[sonofdaxjones]

It's a pickle . . . with 10 you could end up with a brutal schedule  before the games,  during the games,  or  after the games means more    either way.

With more,  you could have more  games, but when the big games come they're really 

[Pete]

Now, let's get this thing back on track....

...and nothing like some wild ass speculation to do the trick...

The Dude of WV @theDudeofWV
@_toolio_ @Mountaineer_Ste I have all but confirmed 2 ACC schools have offers from Big 10. 1 is ready to go & waiting on the other.

["storm"nut]

Now, let's get this thing back on track....

...and nothing like some wild ass speculation to do the trick...

The Dude of WV @theDudeofWV
@_toolio_ @Mountaineer_Ste I have all but confirmed 2 ACC schools have offers from Big 10. 1 is ready to go & waiting on the other.

G-Tech and Virginia?

[WildcatNkilt]

I hope it's G-Tech and Virginia.  Puts us that much closer from ND having to choose between Big 12 or SEC.  I could see us getting FSU and Clemson...then adding ND as a partial 13th until their NBC contract expires.  They finally become a full 13th, and we finally let the cardinal in the house for 14.

["storm"nut]

I hope it's G-Tech and Virginia.  Puts us that much closer from ND having to choose between Big 12 or SEC.  I could see us getting FSU and Clemson...then adding ND as a partial 13th until their NBC contract expires.  They finally become a full 13th, and we finally let the cardinal in the house for 14.

ND only has to choice from big 10, big 10, big 10, and big 12.

[Blackcats]

I hope it's G-Tech and Virginia.  Puts us that much closer from ND having to choose between Big 12 or SEC.  I could see us getting FSU and Clemson...then adding ND as a partial 13th until their NBC contract expires.  They finally become a full 13th, and we finally let the cardinal in the house for 14.

We're basically waiting on Dodds for the thumbs up on this...replace Cardinal with Hokie and no wait.

[Panjandrum]

I hope it's G-Tech and Virginia.  Puts us that much closer from ND having to choose between Big 12 or SEC.  I could see us getting FSU and Clemson...then adding ND as a partial 13th until their NBC contract expires.  They finally become a full 13th, and we finally let the cardinal in the house for 14.

We're basically waiting on Dodds for the thumbs up on this...replace Cardinal with Hokie and no wait.

He has to acquiesce soon.  Only a true idiot would turn down FSU and Clemson.

[WildcatNkilt]

The recent big 10 expansion makes the reality of ND in the Big 12 even more probable.  My only fear is if the big 10 decides to go above 16. 

[Blackcats]

The recent big 10 expansion makes the reality of ND in the Big 12 even more probable.  My only fear is if the big 10 decides to go above 16.

At some point the scheduling gets laughable. The SEC has made that true with 14, I can't imagine more than 16.

[Pete]

I hope it's G-Tech and Virginia.  Puts us that much closer from ND having to choose between Big 12 or SEC.  I could see us getting FSU and Clemson...then adding ND as a partial 13th until their NBC contract expires.  They finally become a full 13th, and we finally let the cardinal in the house for 14.

We're basically waiting on Dodds for the thumbs up on this...replace Cardinal with Hokie and no wait.

He has to acquiesce soon.  Only a true idiot would turn down FSU and Clemson.

I really don't believe the Big 12 is turning down or waiting on FSU in any way.  Gun to my head, I bet FSU is waiting on some combination of Maryland buyout results / SEC invite  / other schools to leave ACC.

If none of those three come out the way we want, then FSU stays.  Just my guess.

[TheHamburglar]

The rumors are leading toward G-Tech and BC to BigTen.  Once that happens, it all hinges on if the SEC can pry UNC and Duke/UVA out of the ACC.  If they can't, everything stands still for awhile.  Just my feeling. 

[Panjandrum]

The recent big 10 expansion makes the reality of ND in the Big 12 even more probable.  My only fear is if the big 10 decides to go above 16.

At some point the scheduling gets laughable. The SEC has made that true with 14, I can't imagine more than 16.

In some ways, I like the thought of a non-pod 16 team conference.

Ship the Clones to the East and we'd have the Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas schools in the same division.  Honestly, it would be pretty much exactly what we have now, but with a game or two across the divisions that seem like fun non-con games.

I mean, what we have now plus, say Clemson and Virginia Tech.  Or Florida State and WVU.  Or Louisville and NC State.

See, if the Big 12 split into two 8 team divisions, we wouldn't need cross divisional rivalries because no one really cares about schools in the other division.  You could just do a rotation where you play the seven other schools in your division and then just do a rotation of the other eight teams to keep it "fair".  I mean, sure, Iowa State may not like it, but who cares?

I had kind of mocked it up on a spreadsheet where you could have a really cool mix of non-con and cross-divisional games in September/Early October.  Then you'd just play the meat of your schedule in October/November against your traditional rivals...when the games really matter.

I think there's a lot of fun stuff you can do, and our conference, since we'd essentially be merging a couple of different conference anyway, could have greater flexibility to do really fun stuff.

[WildcatNkilt]

The recent big 10 expansion makes the reality of ND in the Big 12 even more probable.  My only fear is if the big 10 decides to go above 16.

At some point the scheduling gets laughable. The SEC has made that true with 14, I can't imagine more than 16.

In some ways, I like the thought of a non-pod 16 team conference.

Ship the Clones to the East and we'd have the Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas schools in the same division.  Honestly, it would be pretty much exactly what we have now, but with a game or two across the divisions that seem like fun non-con games.

I mean, what we have now plus, say Clemson and Virginia Tech.  Or Florida State and WVU.  Or Louisville and NC State.

See, if the Big 12 split into two 8 team divisions, we wouldn't need cross divisional rivalries because no one really cares about schools in the other division.  You could just do a rotation where you play the seven other schools in your division and then just do a rotation of the other eight teams to keep it "fair".  I mean, sure, Iowa State may not like it, but who cares?

I had kind of mocked it up on a spreadsheet where you could have a really cool mix of non-con and cross-divisional games in September/Early October.  Then you'd just play the meat of your schedule in October/November against your traditional rivals...when the games really matter.

I think there's a lot of fun stuff you can do, and our conference, since we'd essentially be merging a couple of different conference anyway, could have greater flexibility to do really fun stuff.

And then the champion of each division goes to the 8-team playoff. 

[Willesgirl]

The recent big 10 expansion makes the reality of ND in the Big 12 even more probable.  My only fear is if the big 10 decides to go above 16.

At some point the scheduling gets laughable. The SEC has made that true with 14, I can't imagine more than 16.

In some ways, I like the thought of a non-pod 16 team conference.

Ship the Clones to the East and we'd have the Kansas, Oklahoma, and Texas schools in the same division.  Honestly, it would be pretty much exactly what we have now, but with a game or two across the divisions that seem like fun non-con games.

I mean, what we have now plus, say Clemson and Virginia Tech.  Or Florida State and WVU.  Or Louisville and NC State.

See, if the Big 12 split into two 8 team divisions, we wouldn't need cross divisional rivalries because no one really cares about schools in the other division.  You could just do a rotation where you play the seven other schools in your division and then just do a rotation of the other eight teams to keep it "fair".  I mean, sure, Iowa State may not like it, but who cares?

I had kind of mocked it up on a spreadsheet where you could have a really cool mix of non-con and cross-divisional games in September/Early October.  Then you'd just play the meat of your schedule in October/November against your traditional rivals...when the games really matter.

I think there's a lot of fun stuff you can do, and our conference, since we'd essentially be merging a couple of different conference anyway, could have greater flexibility to do really fun stuff.

Pretty sure I'm in the minority here (but what's new??) I like playing the Clones every year, and I wouldn't want to do that to them.

[Panjandrum]

And then the champion of each division goes to the 8-team playoff.

Yeah, sure.  Why not?