Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....

[ChiComCat]

ACC will still be picking grounds for the SEC.  The money difference is too much.  Even a large buyout won't stop teams from moving.  The ACC is still a diluted (basketball first) conference.  I don't see this fixing FSU's problems.  If anything, keeps FSU from getting to a good bowl because of the Notre Dame clause.

I think the SEC is done adding teams. 

A&M/Mizzou being dicks and hated by everyone won't help promote future expansion

[Panjandrum]

Also, yeah, this kind of locks us in at 10 unless we want to add Louisville and BYU/Cincy/Some other Big East or Mid-Major school.

[Panjandrum]

ACC will still be picking grounds for the SEC.  The money difference is too much.  Even a large buyout won't stop teams from moving.  The ACC is still a diluted (basketball first) conference.  I don't see this fixing FSU's problems.  If anything, keeps FSU from getting to a good bowl because of the Notre Dame clause.

I think the SEC is done adding teams. 

A&M/Mizzou being dicks and hated by everyone won't help promote future expansion

Also, the completely overt and open disdain for adding them and the subsequent wailing by the conference and it's members is also a sign.

[Katpappy]

I don't think we're through with the ACC.  Talk that FSU, VT and GT are not happy.  Also Clemson may be ready to turn.   

[sonofdaxjones]

If you're FSU how could you be happy with Notre Dame?   They only have to play 5 "conference" games and then they eat into ACC bowl slots.   

The only thing keeping FSU in the ACC IMO is the buy out.

[Panjandrum]

I don't think we're through with the ACC.  Talk that FSU, VT and GT are not happy.  Also Clemson may be ready to turn.   

If that's the case, then we need to find out how official that buyout is.

[sonofdaxjones]

Oh hey there . . . oh yeah, yeah we got an ACC slate . . . Pitt, Syracuse, BC, Virginia and Duke, so hey there FSU, good luck against Virginia Tech, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Miami (which will get better) and North Carolina (which will get better under Fedora IMO).

[WildcatNkilt]

However if FSU, GT, Clemson, etc all leave then the $50mill buyout can be negated and easily fought through the legal battles.  It's not a Grant of Rights... just a buyout. 

[steve dave]

However if FSU, GT, Clemson, etc all leave then the $50mill buyout can be negated and easily fought through the legal battles.  It's not a Grant of Rights... just a buyout.

there is no difference

[ChiComCat]

If 3 teams are leaving I think it would lead to a stronger argument that the conference was terribly mismanaged by the commissioners/other members to point of borderline incompetence.  Could prob negotiate/argue it down to the 20s somewhere

["storm"nut]

I don't think we're through with the ACC.  Talk that FSU, VT and GT are not happy.  Also Clemson may be ready to turn.   

If that's the case, then we need to find out how official that buyout is.

Kind of what I was wondering. Did someone jump the gun on this? Is their a deal even signed yet?

["storm"nut]

here is a what if. What if this is a move to shore up a ACC that is already planning on the loss of 2 schools?

[Katpappy]

I don't think we're through with the ACC.  Talk that FSU, VT and GT are not happy.  Also Clemson may be ready to turn.   

If that's the case, then we need to find out how official that buyout is.

Kind of what I was wondering. Did someone jump the gun on this? Is their a deal even signed yet?

There is no signed agreement for the ND to ACC deal, as of yet.

[WildcatNkilt]

However if FSU, GT, Clemson, etc all leave then the $50mill buyout can be negated and easily fought through the legal battles.  It's not a Grant of Rights... just a buyout.

there is no difference

If that is the case, and lets say a few ACC teams are unhappy....why would they sign a $50 mill buyout?  Does adding ND dilute the payout per team even more?

Doesn't a GOR last throughout the time of the TV Contract?  $50 mill is much less than 13 years x $20+ mill. 

It's easy to make $50 mill turn into $25mil.


All this aside, I like 10 teams.  I like it even more if adding FSU and Clemson doesn't increase revenue. 

[Pete]

He's going down with the ship, I'll give him that

The Dude of WV ?@theDudeofWV
ND's deal with the ACC will push FSU out the door.

The Dude of WV ?@theDudeofWV
@westbygod_ No. the new buyout has an effective date and FSU can notify before that... WVU did it.

The Dude of WV ?@theDudeofWV
@IngramSmith FSU is out. I'm on record as saying it and this does nothing but accelerate the process.

The Dude of WV ?@theDudeofWV
@TomahawkNation @mattd12 No, the new buyout has an effective date. They are not immediately in effect or retroactive.

[steve dave]

However if FSU, GT, Clemson, etc all leave then the $50mill buyout can be negated and easily fought through the legal battles.  It's not a Grant of Rights... just a buyout.

there is no difference

If that is the case, and lets say a few ACC teams are unhappy....why would they sign a $50 mill buyout?  Does adding ND dilute the payout per team even more?

Doesn't a GOR last throughout the time of the TV Contract?  $50 mill is much less than 13 years x $20+ mill. 

It's easy to make $50 mill turn into $25mil.


All this aside, I like 10 teams.  I like it even more if adding FSU and Clemson doesn't increase revenue.

a GOR is just a way to calculate the figure. you can negotiate it down the same way you could a buyout....maybe easier since it wouldn't be required to be paid out up front.

[Panjandrum]

Chuck Carlton @ChuckCarltonDMN 12m
RT @DanWetzel: Source: Bringing in Notre Dame will allow ACC to ask for additional compensation in ESPN deal
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Hmm.

Notre Dame's deal with the ACC demands that they have 8 home games a year so NBC has enough inventory.  If this is the case, that means, maybe, 2-3 games on ESPN/ABC per season that they "may" not be getting now*.

So, essentially, what the ACC is getting is from this is the revenue around having Notre Dame basketball on their platform and maybe two or three more football games.

Let's say the football games net $2 million more than they'd normally get out of a standard ACC game.  That's 4-6 million a year.  Let's presume that having ND Olympic/Non-Revenue sports are worth $10 million to them (I have no idea), so the net gain by Notre Dame is around $16 million a year.  Heck, let's just round up and say it's $20 million a year.

Notre Dame is going to get some sort of cut, and I bet it's a considerable one.  They'll get, let's say, $10 million (that feels high), which means the rest of the 14 members will get around $10 million to split.

Honestly, best case scenario, even with my bad math, is that other ACC schools will probably get, at most, a $1-2 million increase from this, which will still be several million below most of our members when you factor in Tier 3 dollars.

* Some games, like games against Michigan, Michigan State, Purdue, USC, etc. already do land on the platform every couple of years.

[pissclams]

one thing is for certain, notre dame isn't good at football and this decision does nothing to change that.  wgaf.

[Dugout DickStone]

I don't think we're through with the ACC.  Talk that FSU, VT and GT are not happy.  Also Clemson may be ready to turn.   

If that's the case, then we need to find out how official that buyout is.

How official can it be?

 "hey guys, we added ND but only in crappy sports except they get to cherry pick the lower tier schools for beatings in football and also get one of our bowl slots, and BTW, the buyout is now $50 trillion.  Seacrest out!"

[Katpappy]

I don't think we're through with the ACC.  Talk that FSU, VT and GT are not happy.  Also Clemson may be ready to turn.   

If that's the case, then we need to find out how official that buyout is.

How official can it be?

 "hey guys, we added ND but only in crappy sports except they get to cherry pick the lower tier schools for beatings in football and also get one of our bowl slots, and BTW, the buyout is now $50 trillion.  Seacrest out!"

[steve dave]

Confirmation from Notre Dame to ESPN that the Irish will move all of their sports - except football - out of the Big East and into the Atlantic Coast Conference as soon as possible came as a big surprise to many in the Big 12 Wednesday.

The Big 12 had been actively courting Notre Dame to make the same move into its 10-team league for more than a year.

But sources in the Big 12 told me this morning the governing board at Notre Dame wanted to maintain its affiliation with the East Coast and felt the ACC (with several former members of the Big East, such as Boston College, Virginia Tech, Miami - and starting next year - Syracuse and Pittsburgh) was a better fit than the Big 12. The board also valued the ACC's academic standing, which is the best among the BCS conferences.

The big question my Big 12 sources were asking this morning is what does the ACC plan to do about Notre Dame's desire to have its own TV network? It's something the Big 12 would have welcomed, because schools in the Big 12 own their third-tier TV rights.

In the ACC, almost all the revenue from Tier 1, Tier 2 and Tier 3 TV rights (all contracted with ESPN) are shared equally. In fact, the ACC was concerned about Texas bringing the Longhorn Network into the ACC when the Longhorns looked at the ACC as a possible landing spot last year (when Oklahoma began talking to the Pac-12).

Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds said on Monday he thought Notre Dame in the Big 12 "would be a positive" and added that Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarbrick and Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby "are friends, too, and hopefully those conversations are continuing."

Bowlsby and former Big 12 interim commissioner Chuck Neinas both had conversations with Swarbrick, including keeping Notre Dame in the loop about the Big 12's decision to partner with the SEC on the Champions Bowl, which will begin New Year's Night 2015.

The conversations had included Notre Dame playing up to six games against Big 12 schools. The agreement between Notre Dame and the ACC calls for the Irish to play up to five games against ACC schools.

"No one is going to say it publicly, but this is a bit of a surprise and a big disappointment," one Big 12 source said. "We thought Notre Dame would be able to pursue its own network in the Big 12 and be a great fit here. I'm not sure what Notre Dame is going to be able to do in terms of its own network in the ACC.

"But Notre Dame is a great school and you wish them all the best."

The ACC had taken a stance of all-in membership or all-out previously in terms of whether the conference would admit a partial member. But clearly the events in May that included Florida State's chairman of the board of trustees saying the Seminoles would listen to the Big 12 shook the ACC into taking action to try to fortify its walls.

The addition of Notre Dame, even as a partial member, should help the ACC solidify and will probably quiet - for the foreseeable future - any talk of expansion or realignment involving the Big 12.

According to my sources, the pecking order of adding schools to the Big 12 - if expansion was to occur - was: 1) Notre Dame; 2) Florida State; and 3) Georgia Tech.

With the ACC adding Notre Dame and playing up to five games against the Irish, that talk will probably all but disappear.

[Panjandrum]

I don't think we're through with the ACC.  Talk that FSU, VT and GT are not happy.  Also Clemson may be ready to turn.   

If that's the case, then we need to find out how official that buyout is.

How official can it be?

 "hey guys, we added ND but only in crappy sports except they get to cherry pick the lower tier schools for beatings in football and also get one of our bowl slots, and BTW, the buyout is now $50 trillion.  Seacrest out!"

Well, have they voted on it, is it immediately enforceable, etc.

If what the "Dude" says is right, and there is a beginning effective date on it, then defectors will bail ASAP if they don't like the deal.

[steve dave]

If what the "Dude" says is right

lol

[Panjandrum]

If what the "Dude" says is right

lol

Oh, you know what I mean.  Right "in theory".

Good lord.

[Pete]

If what the "Dude" says is right

lol

Oh, you know what I mean.  Right "in theory".

Good lord.

Honestly, I really DO believe that everything along the lines of expansion was waiting on Notre Dame.  So, if anything is ever going to happen, I see it happening soon, simply because no one is "waiting for Notre Dame" any longer.