Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....

[Katpappy]

If what the "Dude" says is right

lol

Oh, you know what I mean.  Right "in theory".

Good lord.

Honestly, I really DO believe that everything along the lines of expansion was waiting on Notre Dame.  So, if anything is ever going to happen, I see it happening soon, simply because no one is "waiting for Notre Dame" any longer.

Seems the most logical run of events.

[michigancat]

lol at FSU, Clemson and ND playing the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) Big 12 brass like a fiddle

we could have fixed this crap in Chicago over some PBR.

[steve dave]

lol at FSU, Clemson and ND playing the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) Big 12 brass like a fiddle

we could have fixed this crap in Chicago over some PBR.

yup

[Trim]

Mountain View

[davegladow]

However if FSU, GT, Clemson, etc all leave then the $50mill buyout can be negated and easily fought through the legal battles.  It's not a Grant of Rights... just a buyout.

there is no difference

If that is the case, and lets say a few ACC teams are unhappy....why would they sign a $50 mill buyout?  Does adding ND dilute the payout per team even more?

Doesn't a GOR last throughout the time of the TV Contract?  $50 mill is much less than 13 years x $20+ mill. 

It's easy to make $50 mill turn into $25mil.


All this aside, I like 10 teams.  I like it even more if adding FSU and Clemson doesn't increase revenue.

a GOR is just a way to calculate the figure. you can negotiate it down the same way you could a buyout....maybe easier since it wouldn't be required to be paid out up front.

Been agreeing with you on this for months. A GOR makes you feel warm and fuzzy until you look at the reality of it, which is it can be negotiated down like anything else.

And $50 million? If FSU wants to leave, that number is meaningless. If they never signed anything (doubtful they have at this point), they aren't bound to that crap. And even if they were, they wouldn't even pay half that (if the Big 12 defections have taught us anything, it's that you don't pay full price when you leave).

[chum1]

So, at this point, if I was in charge, I'd make a reactionary, vengeful push to get FSU and G-Tech.  And if that doesn't happen, stay at 10 until something else happens.  Right?

[steve dave]

So, at this point, if I was in charge, I'd make a reactionary, vengeful push to get FSU and G-Tech.  And if that doesn't happen, stay at 10 until something else happens.  Right?

sounds good

[WildcatNkilt]

So, at this point, if I was in charge, I'd make a reactionary, vengeful push to get FSU and G-Tech.  And if that doesn't happen, stay at 10 until something else happens.  Right?

If we don't get them now (we won't get FSU or GTech if it isn't now), we're stuck with Louisville and Cinci when we are needing to expand.  I like 10, but 12 might be necessary at this point.  DeLoss is probably pretty butthurt right now. 

[michigancat]

So, at this point, if I was in charge, I'd make a reactionary, vengeful push to get FSU and G-Tech.  And if that doesn't happen, stay at 10 until something else happens.  Right?

yeah, if we were in charge this vengeful push would have been done like a day after the new ACC TV deal was announced. But I still agree w/ the vengeful push now.

[Ira Hayes]

There is no getting around the fact that this is not good for us. The BigXII looks a whole lot like the old SWC with OU instead of A&M.

[SkinnyBenny]

................guys..................

 



(Didn't give a crap about adding Notre Dame in everything but football, but am very sad about inevitably losing out on FSU/GT/Clemson and eventually adding total crap tier teams Louisville and Cinci.)

[Pete]

So, at this point, if I was in charge, I'd make a reactionary, vengeful push to get FSU and G-Tech.  And if that doesn't happen, stay at 10 until something else happens.  Right?

sounds good

Yep.  Not joking.  This is exactly what I would do.

[SkinnyBenny]

So, at this point, if I was in charge, I'd make a reactionary, vengeful push to get FSU and G-Tech.  And if that doesn't happen, stay at 10 until something else happens.  Right?

sounds good

Yep.  Not joking.  This is exactly what I would do.

If FSU accepts and G-Tech doesn't, do you push for Clemson or do you just say #Team10?

[ChiComCat]

Do not want to face triple option.  Ga Tech should be forced to fire their coach upon entrance

[chum1]

So, at this point, if I was in charge, I'd make a reactionary, vengeful push to get FSU and G-Tech.  And if that doesn't happen, stay at 10 until something else happens.  Right?

sounds good

Yep.  Not joking.  This is exactly what I would do.

If FSU accepts and G-Tech doesn't, do you push for Clemson or do you just say #Team10?

Yes, and I'd consider FSU paired with Louisville as final option before #Team10.

[MadCat]

Welcome back, cigars thread. 

[Panjandrum]

So, at this point, if I was in charge, I'd make a reactionary, vengeful push to get FSU and G-Tech.  And if that doesn't happen, stay at 10 until something else happens.  Right?

sounds good

Yep.  Not joking.  This is exactly what I would do.

If FSU accepts and G-Tech doesn't, do you push for Clemson or do you just say #Team10?

Yes, and I'd consider FSU paired with Louisville as final option before #Team10.

I agree with chum.

I'm not sure we move forward with with any expansion without FSU.

[Panjandrum]

One ACC official told the Orlando Sentinel the upped exit fee goes into effect "immediately."

When pressured further about whether that meant anytime this academic year or sometime next summer, the official responded: immediately, as in "today."

Wednesday's exit fee move mostly affects schools like Florida State and Clemson. All summer, the two athletic departments tried to fight rumors that had them being courted by and showing interest in the Big 12 Conference. Bloggers and other digital media had the two schools all but gone from the ACC, even despite the conference renegotiating its television deal with ESPN for nearly $20 million per school per year.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-09-12/sports/os-acc-exit-fee-notre-dame-florida-state-20120912_1_exit-fee-acc-s-council-current-member-schools

[EMAWican]

In the existing ACC schools didn't agree to and sign anything, there's no way they can up the exit fee like that without their consent.  This could get ugly...

[Dugout DickStone]

Why didn't we just immediately up the exit fee to eleventy billion when MU and ATM started talking move?

[steve dave]

In the existing ACC schools didn't agree to and sign anything

where are you getting this?

["storm"nut]

One ACC official told the Orlando Sentinel the upped exit fee goes into effect "immediately."

When pressured further about whether that meant anytime this academic year or sometime next summer, the official responded: immediately, as in "today."

Wednesday's exit fee move mostly affects schools like Florida State and Clemson. All summer, the two athletic departments tried to fight rumors that had them being courted by and showing interest in the Big 12 Conference. Bloggers and other digital media had the two schools all but gone from the ACC, even despite the conference renegotiating its television deal with ESPN for nearly $20 million per school per year.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-09-12/sports/os-acc-exit-fee-notre-dame-florida-state-20120912_1_exit-fee-acc-s-council-current-member-schools

Don't see how that is possible unless ink is to paper on this deal. And I bet if FSU or some other school wanted out they could sue to get out of that deal.

[WildcatNkilt]

Wow can't wait to see how this plays out. 

 

[Pete]

Orlando Sentinel is reporting that the ACC $50M buyout is effective immediately.

Shut this thread down.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/2012-09-12/sports/os-acc-exit-fee-notre-dame-florida-state-20120912_1_exit-fee-acc-s-council-current-member-schools

[MadCat]