Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....

[michigancat]

the 11-1 ou team would have played a tougher OOC schedule. also everyone in power hates KSU, which hurts our cause somewhat.

[KITNfury]

Moral of the story, the top two teams get in every year. We may as well keep extending it for the very next butthurt team that gets left out until we include every single rough ridin' team in it. Stfu KState fan, you have never been screwed over for anything that mattered.

Moral of the story, SD likes the bcs method, only would prefer a committee to pick the top 2.

[8manpick]

Moral of the story, the top two teams get in every year. We may as well keep extending it for the very next butthurt team that gets left out until we include every single rough ridin' team in it. Stfu KState fan, you have never been screwed over for anything that mattered.

Moral of the story, SD likes the bcs method, only would prefer a committee to pick the top 2.

I believe what SD is saying is that the #1 and #2 teams would be in the group of four every year. WGAF if #4 gets screwed over in favor of #5 or #6?

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[steve dave]

Moral of the story, the top two teams get in every year. We may as well keep extending it for the very next butthurt team that gets left out until we include every single rough ridin' team in it. Stfu KState fan, you have never been screwed over for anything that mattered.

Moral of the story, SD likes the bcs method, only would prefer a committee to pick the top 2.

I believe what SD is saying is that the #1 and #2 teams would be in the group of four every year. WGAF if #4 gets screwed over in favor of #5 or #6?

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yeah, but that's not what KITNfury's strawman is saying

[KITNfury]

Moral of the story, the top two teams get in every year. We may as well keep extending it for the very next butthurt team that gets left out until we include every single rough ridin' team in it. Stfu KState fan, you have never been screwed over for anything that mattered.

Moral of the story, SD likes the bcs method, only would prefer a committee to pick the top 2.

I believe what SD is saying is that the #1 and #2 teams would be in the group of four every year. WGAF if #4 gets screwed over in favor of #5 or #6?

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yeah, but that's not what KITNfury's strawman is saying

Your talking points are getting very dax-esque.

[Panjandrum]

Whether this is true or not, it makes for good reading as to what was going on during August-October last year in the Big 12 and how BYU fit into the mix.

http://sportsbyshoganai.posterous.com/no-guarantees-the-big-12s-2011-realignment-an

[thebigcatbowski]

Moral of the story, the top two teams get in every year.

Bullshit. You're just subscribing to the fallacy that college football tries to present every year. That people can magically guess what the best team in the country is despite the top 5 teams never playing each other and probably not even having common opponents. It's asinine. I guarantee if they eventually go to an 8-team playoff, a team seeded 5-8 will win it in the first 5 years. Would you have said the LA Kings were the best team in the NHL entering the playoffs? The Heat? The Giants? The Cardinals last year? The last 4 champions of the big 4 pro sports haven't even been close to the best 2 teams of the regular season and they all have longer seasons.

[Panjandrum]

Notre Dame in the Big 12?

Don't shrug it off too quickly. It's been assumed the conference has looked into adding the Irish. Now there's proof.

In a January memo to the Big 12 expansion committee, interim commissioner Chuck Neinas said Notre Dame is the only school the Big 12 could add that would “enhance the Big 12 value for television.”

The memo, obtained by The Oklahoman through an Open Records request, was sent to the committee as an agenda for a late January teleconference.

The expansion committee is made up of Oklahoma State president Burns Hargis, Oklahoma athletic director Joe Castiglione, Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds and Kansas State president Kirk Shulz.

Here is a look at other items on the agenda and Neinas' responses:

If Notre Dame would become a partial member, how would that impact the current membership and what does it do to further expansion?

Neinas' response: “Both representatives of ESPN/ABC and Fox Sports indicated that Notre Dame's involvement with the Big 12 Conference would increase the value of the conference relative to future television and also improve the image of the conference nationwide.”

What value would a new member bring to the conference?

Neinas' response: “Our television partners agreed that the only new member that would enhance the Big 12 value for television was Notre Dame.”

What adjustments would be required to accommodate a new member?

Neinas' response: “Eleven members would require either an 8-game or 10-game schedule for football and there would have to be some type of an adjustment to accommodate basketball for both men and women.”

Would expansion lead to more long-term stability for the Big 12 Conference?

Neinas' response: “There is some sentiment that an increase in membership would enhance stability. It could be argued that the Grant of Rights agreement signed by the members is the most important instrument to assure conference stability.”

Neinas goes on in the memo to say he discussed expansion with ESPN president John Skipper, Fox Sports president Randy Freer and ESPN's head of college athletics operations Burke Magnus.

Neinas said all three agreed a 10-member conference was preferred, but they would live with expansion to 11 or 12 teams. He also said both TV partners were in support of Notre Dame becoming a partial member of the Big 12 if the Irish would play a specific number of football games at Big 12 venues.

Nenias referenced a December meeting of athletic directors who were spit on the idea of expansion. He wrote that if the conference were to expand, there was strong support for the University of Louisville to become the Big 12's 11th member.

Read more: http://newsok.com/big-12-interim-commissioner-chuck-neinas-notre-dame-the-only-school-that-would-add-tv-value/article/3688049#ixzz1z3U4EMus

[michigancat]

Whether this is true or not, it makes for good reading as to what was going on during August-October last year in the Big 12 and how BYU fit into the mix.

http://sportsbyshoganai.posterous.com/no-guarantees-the-big-12s-2011-realignment-an

Yeah, anyone who's read the cigar thread could have written that.

[Panjandrum]

Whether this is true or not, it makes for good reading as to what was going on during August-October last year in the Big 12 and how BYU fit into the mix.

http://sportsbyshoganai.posterous.com/no-guarantees-the-big-12s-2011-realignment-an

Yeah, anyone who's read the cigar thread could have written that.

True, but historians from a future generation could probably get a doctorate just by mining the contents of this beast.

It's nice to see pages 250ish-500ish condensed into a couple of pages.

[j-von]

Whether this is true or not, it makes for good reading as to what was going on during August-October last year in the Big 12 and how BYU fit into the mix.

http://sportsbyshoganai.posterous.com/no-guarantees-the-big-12s-2011-realignment-an

Yeah, anyone who's read the cigar thread could have written that.

True, but historians from a future generation could probably get a doctorate just by mining the contents of this beast.

It's nice to see pages 250ish-500ish condensed into a couple of pages.

I wonder if the =mods= have shopped around the publishing rights to this thread yet?

[KITNfury]

Notre Dame in the Big 12?

Don't shrug it off too quickly. It's been assumed the conference has looked into adding the Irish. Now there's proof.

In a January memo to the Big 12 expansion committee, interim commissioner Chuck Neinas said Notre Dame is the only school the Big 12 could add that would “enhance the Big 12 value for television.”

The memo, obtained by The Oklahoman through an Open Records request, was sent to the committee as an agenda for a late January teleconference.

The expansion committee is made up of Oklahoma State president Burns Hargis, Oklahoma athletic director Joe Castiglione, Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds and Kansas State president Kirk Shulz.

Here is a look at other items on the agenda and Neinas' responses:

If Notre Dame would become a partial member, how would that impact the current membership and what does it do to further expansion?

Neinas' response: “Both representatives of ESPN/ABC and Fox Sports indicated that Notre Dame's involvement with the Big 12 Conference would increase the value of the conference relative to future television and also improve the image of the conference nationwide.”

What value would a new member bring to the conference?

Neinas' response: “Our television partners agreed that the only new member that would enhance the Big 12 value for television was Notre Dame.”

What adjustments would be required to accommodate a new member?

Neinas' response: “Eleven members would require either an 8-game or 10-game schedule for football and there would have to be some type of an adjustment to accommodate basketball for both men and women.”

Would expansion lead to more long-term stability for the Big 12 Conference?

Neinas' response: “There is some sentiment that an increase in membership would enhance stability. It could be argued that the Grant of Rights agreement signed by the members is the most important instrument to assure conference stability.”

Neinas goes on in the memo to say he discussed expansion with ESPN president John Skipper, Fox Sports president Randy Freer and ESPN's head of college athletics operations Burke Magnus.

Neinas said all three agreed a 10-member conference was preferred, but they would live with expansion to 11 or 12 teams. He also said both TV partners were in support of Notre Dame becoming a partial member of the Big 12 if the Irish would play a specific number of football games at Big 12 venues.

Nenias referenced a December meeting of athletic directors who were spit on the idea of expansion. He wrote that if the conference were to expand, there was strong support for the University of Louisville to become the Big 12's 11th member.

Read more: http://newsok.com/big-12-interim-commissioner-chuck-neinas-notre-dame-the-only-school-that-would-add-tv-value/article/3688049#ixzz1z3U4EMus

Looks like we're staying at 10 fellas.

[steve dave]

Moral of the story, the top two teams get in every year.

Bullshit. You're just subscribing to the fallacy that college football tries to present every year. That people can magically guess what the best team in the country is despite the top 5 teams never playing each other and probably not even having common opponents. It's asinine. I guarantee if they eventually go to an 8-team playoff, a team seeded 5-8 will win it in the first 5 years. Would you have said the LA Kings were the best team in the NHL entering the playoffs? The Heat? The Giants? The Cardinals last year? The last 4 champions of the big 4 pro sports haven't even been close to the best 2 teams of the regular season and they all have longer seasons.

lol at pro sports comparisons and you believing that whoever wins a post season tournament or playoff is automatically the best team.   

[steve dave]

Moral of the story, the top two teams get in every year. We may as well keep extending it for the very next butthurt team that gets left out until we include every single rough ridin' team in it. Stfu KState fan, you have never been screwed over for anything that mattered.

Moral of the story, SD likes the bcs method, only would prefer a committee to pick the top 2.

I believe what SD is saying is that the #1 and #2 teams would be in the group of four every year. WGAF if #4 gets screwed over in favor of #5 or #6?

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yeah, but that's not what KITNfury's strawman is saying

Your talking points are getting very dax-esque.

my talking point calling out your strawman arguments?  the solution is to quit using them.  they are the tool of the moron. 

[sonofdaxjones]

Great work SD.

[mcmwcat]

so why has this memo been leaked?  ND is the only team that would add value to the Big 12?  FSU wouldn't add value?  i don't buy that.    reading between the lines ....

no mention of FSU - this memo was written before FSU became an option.  or they are hiding their interest in FSU to negate the chance of litigation.

mention of Louisville - points to a leak by OU (story from Oklahoman - duh).  more evidence that this memo is outdated and was produced before FSU became an option.   because only a stupid person would want Louisville ahead of FSU.

FSU isn't an option anymore - this has been leaked so Big 12 doesn't look so bad saying they never wanted FSU in the first place.

[KITNfury]

Moral of the story, the top two teams get in every year. We may as well keep extending it for the very next butthurt team that gets left out until we include every single rough ridin' team in it. Stfu KState fan, you have never been screwed over for anything that mattered.

Moral of the story, SD likes the bcs method, only would prefer a committee to pick the top 2.

I believe what SD is saying is that the #1 and #2 teams would be in the group of four every year. WGAF if #4 gets screwed over in favor of #5 or #6?

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yeah, but that's not what KITNfury's strawman is saying

Your talking points are getting very dax-esque.

my talking point calling out your strawman arguments?  the solution is to quit using them.  they are the tool of the moron.

I would say trusting a panel of judges to consistently be correct is pretty moronic. Might as well be ice skating.

Look at the 2008 season, there is virtually no doubt Utah would have been left out of the playoffs with 5 big programs with one loss ahead of them (4 from 2 conferences). Well Utah went on to beat one of the big boys and finished undefeated. Who's to say they wouldnt have one another and been NC? Only a dipshit (sd) would say it would have been impossible because "they would always have the best 2 in the top 4".

[MadCat]

How much value do we gain if we shed Iowa State and/or Texas Tech and is that value greater than that gained by getting rid of K-State?   

[steve dave]

Great work SD.

thanks dax, means a lot

[michigancat]

I don't get what the people whining about the new system are whining about. That it's not perfect? Well, no crap, Sherlocks. But if you can't see that it's a step in the right direction, you're a moron.

[KITNfury]

I don't get what the people whining about the new system are whining about. That it's not perfect? Well, no crap, Sherlocks. But if you can't see that it's a step in the right direction, you're a moron.

Michigancat likes to shadow box.

[michigancat]

Notre Dame in the Big 12?

Don't shrug it off too quickly. It's been assumed the conference has looked into adding the Irish. Now there's proof.

In a January memo to the Big 12 expansion committee, interim commissioner Chuck Neinas said Notre Dame is the only school the Big 12 could add that would “enhance the Big 12 value for television.”

The memo, obtained by The Oklahoman through an Open Records request, was sent to the committee as an agenda for a late January teleconference.

The expansion committee is made up of Oklahoma State president Burns Hargis, Oklahoma athletic director Joe Castiglione, Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds and Kansas State president Kirk Shulz.

Here is a look at other items on the agenda and Neinas' responses:

If Notre Dame would become a partial member, how would that impact the current membership and what does it do to further expansion?

Neinas' response: “Both representatives of ESPN/ABC and Fox Sports indicated that Notre Dame's involvement with the Big 12 Conference would increase the value of the conference relative to future television and also improve the image of the conference nationwide.”

What value would a new member bring to the conference?

Neinas' response: “Our television partners agreed that the only new member that would enhance the Big 12 value for television was Notre Dame.”

What adjustments would be required to accommodate a new member?

Neinas' response: “Eleven members would require either an 8-game or 10-game schedule for football and there would have to be some type of an adjustment to accommodate basketball for both men and women.”

Would expansion lead to more long-term stability for the Big 12 Conference?

Neinas' response: “There is some sentiment that an increase in membership would enhance stability. It could be argued that the Grant of Rights agreement signed by the members is the most important instrument to assure conference stability.”

Neinas goes on in the memo to say he discussed expansion with ESPN president John Skipper, Fox Sports president Randy Freer and ESPN's head of college athletics operations Burke Magnus.

Neinas said all three agreed a 10-member conference was preferred, but they would live with expansion to 11 or 12 teams. He also said both TV partners were in support of Notre Dame becoming a partial member of the Big 12 if the Irish would play a specific number of football games at Big 12 venues.

Nenias referenced a December meeting of athletic directors who were spit on the idea of expansion. He wrote that if the conference were to expand, there was strong support for the University of Louisville to become the Big 12's 11th member.

Read more: http://newsok.com/big-12-interim-commissioner-chuck-neinas-notre-dame-the-only-school-that-would-add-tv-value/article/3688049#ixzz1z3U4EMus

missed this earlier, but this was before anyone in the world thought FSU was a serious expansion candidate. Only a moron would think ND would be the only school that would add value, but in December only a moron would think FSU was a remote possibility for Big 12 expansion.

[thebigcatbowski]

Moral of the story, the top two teams get in every year.

Bullshit. You're just subscribing to the fallacy that college football tries to present every year. That people can magically guess what the best team in the country is despite the top 5 teams never playing each other and probably not even having common opponents. It's asinine. I guarantee if they eventually go to an 8-team playoff, a team seeded 5-8 will win it in the first 5 years. Would you have said the LA Kings were the best team in the NHL entering the playoffs? The Heat? The Giants? The Cardinals last year? The last 4 champions of the big 4 pro sports haven't even been close to the best 2 teams of the regular season and they all have longer seasons.

lol at pro sports comparisons and you believing that whoever wins a post season tournament or playoff is automatically the best team.   

lol at you thinking you know who the best two teams are after the regular season. 

[michigancat]

I don't get what the people whining about the new system are whining about. That it's not perfect? Well, no crap, Sherlocks. But if you can't see that it's a step in the right direction, you're a moron.

Michigancat likes to shadow box.

so explain your beef. Is it seriously that someone might unfairly get left out? I really don't know.

[steve dave]

Moral of the story, the top two teams get in every year.

Bullshit. You're just subscribing to the fallacy that college football tries to present every year. That people can magically guess what the best team in the country is despite the top 5 teams never playing each other and probably not even having common opponents. It's asinine. I guarantee if they eventually go to an 8-team playoff, a team seeded 5-8 will win it in the first 5 years. Would you have said the LA Kings were the best team in the NHL entering the playoffs? The Heat? The Giants? The Cardinals last year? The last 4 champions of the big 4 pro sports haven't even been close to the best 2 teams of the regular season and they all have longer seasons.

lol at pro sports comparisons and you believing that whoever wins a post season tournament or playoff is automatically the best team.   

lol at you thinking you know who the best two teams are after the regular season. 

let me choose 4 teams and the best 2 will be in there 100% of the time