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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #20625 on: June 11, 2012, 01:34:49 PM »
Until the new BCS format is agreed upon, no one is going to do anything.


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« Reply #20626 on: June 11, 2012, 01:37:29 PM »
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« Reply #20627 on: June 11, 2012, 03:59:58 PM »
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Today's post was my last post on expansion. It will happen by July 31st or it wont happen. Nothing more I can add.

NOW, WE WAIT!  :popcorn:

Interesting that he's thrown the "it won't happen" possibility in there, considering his stance throughout.

Ya, he's certainly back tracked from his prior statements where all but bet his life on it.

I think Pan has the right of it, in that they are certainly way past merely kicking tires with FSU and perhaps Clemson....but that the timeline may be quite a bit longer than what some speculated.

The dude is in pretty deep.  He might as well stick to his guns and go down in a blaze with this bitch.

I don't think any of these guys were really wrong in thinking FSU and Clemson would join.  They probably were pretty far along with their reps.  But the playoff thing happened and now we have Bowlsby, and I think that Notre Dame is more realistic than they were four or five months ago.

If you have a 20% chance of landing ND and FSU and sticking at twelve, you'll do whatever you can to make that happen.  No need to rush.

Also, adding FSU and sticking at eleven for a couple of years is perfect because it allows you to add ND as a partial during the transitional period before they join as an all sports member.

So, FSU in 2014 with ND as partial, and ND as full in 2016.

Tidy.  You only take one from the ACC, they take one from the Big East, and the Big East continues to raid C-USA/MWC.  It's all civil-like.  Path of least resistance.
It's still zero percent that we, or any other confy, gets ND. The only way we do is if it's conference champions only that can qualify for the playoff and that won't happen. There will always be at least one at large available even if conf champ model is used.
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« Reply #20628 on: June 11, 2012, 04:13:53 PM »
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Today's post was my last post on expansion. It will happen by July 31st or it wont happen. Nothing more I can add.

NOW, WE WAIT!  :popcorn:

Interesting that he's thrown the "it won't happen" possibility in there, considering his stance throughout.

Ya, he's certainly back tracked from his prior statements where all but bet his life on it.

I think Pan has the right of it, in that they are certainly way past merely kicking tires with FSU and perhaps Clemson....but that the timeline may be quite a bit longer than what some speculated.

The dude is in pretty deep.  He might as well stick to his guns and go down in a blaze with this bitch.

I don't think any of these guys were really wrong in thinking FSU and Clemson would join.  They probably were pretty far along with their reps.  But the playoff thing happened and now we have Bowlsby, and I think that Notre Dame is more realistic than they were four or five months ago.

If you have a 20% chance of landing ND and FSU and sticking at twelve, you'll do whatever you can to make that happen.  No need to rush.

Also, adding FSU and sticking at eleven for a couple of years is perfect because it allows you to add ND as a partial during the transitional period before they join as an all sports member.

So, FSU in 2014 with ND as partial, and ND as full in 2016.

Tidy.  You only take one from the ACC, they take one from the Big East, and the Big East continues to raid C-USA/MWC.  It's all civil-like.  Path of least resistance.
It's still zero percent that we, or any other confy, gets ND. The only way we do is if it's conference champions only that can qualify for the playoff and that won't happen. There will always be at least one at large available even if conf champ model is used.

One, we don't know that.  Two, we don't know what NBC will be willing to do for ND in terms of a contract going forward.

NBC may be putting a bid out on Big East football soon.  How will that factor in with Notre Dame's money?  No idea.  Could help, could hurt.  We won't know until the end of the summer.

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #20629 on: June 11, 2012, 04:42:23 PM »
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Today's post was my last post on expansion. It will happen by July 31st or it wont happen. Nothing more I can add.

NOW, WE WAIT!  :popcorn:

Interesting that he's thrown the "it won't happen" possibility in there, considering his stance throughout.

Ya, he's certainly back tracked from his prior statements where all but bet his life on it.

I think Pan has the right of it, in that they are certainly way past merely kicking tires with FSU and perhaps Clemson....but that the timeline may be quite a bit longer than what some speculated.

The dude is in pretty deep.  He might as well stick to his guns and go down in a blaze with this bitch.

I don't think any of these guys were really wrong in thinking FSU and Clemson would join.  They probably were pretty far along with their reps.  But the playoff thing happened and now we have Bowlsby, and I think that Notre Dame is more realistic than they were four or five months ago.

If you have a 20% chance of landing ND and FSU and sticking at twelve, you'll do whatever you can to make that happen.  No need to rush.

Also, adding FSU and sticking at eleven for a couple of years is perfect because it allows you to add ND as a partial during the transitional period before they join as an all sports member.

So, FSU in 2014 with ND as partial, and ND as full in 2016.

Tidy.  You only take one from the ACC, they take one from the Big East, and the Big East continues to raid C-USA/MWC.  It's all civil-like.  Path of least resistance.
It's still zero percent that we, or any other confy, gets ND. The only way we do is if it's conference champions only that can qualify for the playoff and that won't happen. There will always be at least one at large available even if conf champ model is used.

One, we don't know that.  Two, we don't know what NBC will be willing to do for ND in terms of a contract going forward.

NBC may be putting a bid out on Big East football soon.  How will that factor in with Notre Dame's money?  No idea.  Could help, could hurt.  We won't know until the end of the summer.
I don't think money is a major factor for ND unless they are essentially forced to join a conference to compete for a NC. If that happens, they prolly take the biggest payday they can get, but they are so rich as is, they won't join a conference for a few mill extra. So unless NBC and every other major media outlet turns down the rights to broadcast their games.....
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« Reply #20630 on: June 11, 2012, 09:33:20 PM »
http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=16542326

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« Reply #20631 on: June 11, 2012, 09:39:44 PM »
http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=16542326

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« Reply #20632 on: June 13, 2012, 01:16:30 PM »
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#big 10 source in Chicago at #BCS meetings telling us that #ND agreeing in principle to go to #Big12 as non-football member.



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Two #Big12 sources now saying #Clemson was a backup in case #ND didn't join. In my opinion if they're not a full member they're NOT joining.

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« Reply #20633 on: June 13, 2012, 01:24:13 PM »
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ND could very well be an associate member of the Big 12. But only as 12.5.

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« Reply #20634 on: June 13, 2012, 01:28:36 PM »
Also, the "aggie" debate on Clemson has now officially ended.  They are "Backup Aggie."

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« Reply #20635 on: June 13, 2012, 01:48:40 PM »
Also, the "aggie" debate on Clemson has now officially ended.  They are "Backup Aggie."

Spare Aggy?

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« Reply #20636 on: June 13, 2012, 01:49:58 PM »
Also, the "aggie" debate on Clemson has now officially ended.  They are "Backup Aggie."

After ND mushes us they'll be Rebound Aggy.

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« Reply #20637 on: June 13, 2012, 02:06:56 PM »

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Considering all the recent rhetoric about what a four-team playoff in college football should look like, getting 11 conference commissioners and Notre Dame to agree on anything beginning Wednesday in Chicago could be akin to locking them all inside the Jersey Shore house.

But based on the seemingly singular focus to make a four-team playoff happen after April meetings in Florida, any my-way-or-the-highway or lines-in-the-sand bluster about proposed formats may end up being just that - bluster.

"We have to end up with a four-team playoff," said interim Big 12 commissioner Chuck Neinas, who will be joined in Chicago by new Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby. "That's what everything involving college football beginning in 2014 has basically been predicated upon."

WHAT COULD BE COMING: So here's what sources close to the situation think is likely to come out of the meetings in Chicago and forwarded on to the oversight committee of presidents and chancellors in the next two weeks:

Some hybrid of conference champions (most likely two or three) and one or two at-large selections (which could also happen to be conference champions) determined by a selection committee.

The semifinals would be part of the current bowl structure with the most likely bidders being the Sugar and Fiesta bowls, who are suddenly without a conference champion tie-in thanks to the Big 12 and SEC forming their own Champions Bowl beginning New Year's night 2015.

The national title game would be bid out to cities much like the Final Four, sources say.

That would be a compromise between the Survivor-like alliances formed by the Big Ten-Pac-12 (who favor conference champions and have even uttered the words "Plus-One") and the SEC-Big 12 (who want the best four teams selected at-large).

There appears to be momentum for semifinal games to be part of the current bowl structure so that student-athletes in those games continue to get trips to zoos, Sea World and cool gift bags containing the latest audio or video gadgets.

There was sentiment initially in the Big 12 (Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds included) the four-team playoff should be separate from the bowl system so ticket allotments, TV, etc., could be controlled by the conferences as opposed to third-party bowls.

But the pendulum appears to have swung back in favor of tradition for the student-athletes instead of financial control for the conferences - allowing bowls like the Fiesta and Sugar to live to see another day by being involved in the semifinals ? at least for now.

By bidding out the national title game, the conferences would at least have control over ticket allotments, etc., for the biggest game of the year.

FINDING COMMON GROUND: The two most controversial components to be hammered out, however, will be the means of selecting the teams and the revenue distribution for all the conferences and Notre Dame.

The arguments for a selection committee similar to those used for the men's and women's NCAA basketball tournaments appear to be sound.

First and foremost, a committee would bring transparency to a process currently cloaked in confusing computer formulas and human polls that include votes by coaches who have too many self interests.

A committee would also assign proper weight to strength of schedule, which is seen as a blind spot in the current formula. Neinas brought up how Stanford was somehow ranked No. 4 in the final BCS standings, ahead of No. 5 Oregon, despite losing to Oregon head-to-head on Stanford's field as well as the Ducks playing out of conference (and out of state against LSU).

BRAVE SOULS: Finding a group of former commissioners, athletic directors or coaches willing to serve on such a committee who would subject themselves to the vicious attacks and threats of fan bases left out of a playoff - not to mention the media and social media onslaught - is an entirely different subject.

A selection committee in basketball only has to worry about offending the 69th or 70th placed teams in the country - light years from the top four in the rankings. In football, a committee would be faced with the vitriol of scorned fan bases that could make life so miserable for committee members that they feel like their faces are on a Wanted Posters in certain parts of the country.

My advice would be to expand that committee to about 25 members. Dilute the blame. Leaving it up to seven or nine members, might seriously change the quality of those people's lives.

Remember, the Associated Press pulled its poll from the BCS formula because of threats being made against some of its voters over ballots cast. You leave a school out of the playoff that thinks it absolutely deserved to be there and people will lose their minds.

That's guaranteed.

MORE REALIGNMENT?: Could the choice of playoff format trigger more realignment?

It's possible.

There is a sense in the Big 12 that if a predominantly conference-champion format emerges, Notre Dame could feel compelled to move its non-football sports out of the Big East and into the Big 12 as a way of securing a future home in one of the top revenue producing conferences - especially one that would allow the Irish to maintain its independence in football while having its own network for third-tier TV rights.

The word out of the Big 12 meetings in Kansas City in late May was that voices like Texas and Oklahoma were able to convince the rest of the league to sit tight until Notre Dame decides if it's going to keep its non-football sports in the Big East or possibly move them to the Big 12.

If Notre Dame were to make such a move, it could trigger other schools - in the ACC, for example - to get serious about approaching the Big 12. Orangebloods.com reported a month ago that efforts were made on behalf of Florida State, Clemson, Virginia Tech, Miami and Georgia Tech to gauge what the Big 12 was thinking in terms of expansion.

Sources in the Big 12 told Orangebloods.com Florida State would be the most attractive expansion candidate, but only if the Seminoles' leadership was in unison about jumping conferences. And it's become clear Florida State's leadership is not unified about leaving the ACC at this time.

FSU board of trustees chairman Andy Haggard, who told Warchant.com in May the board would be unanimous in listening to what the Big 12 had to offer, has stepped down because his term ran out. New board chairman Allan Bense is probably still having business cards printed up while FSU president Eric Barron is on the record questioning any move by the Seminoles to the Big 12.

At Clemson, the board of trustees is meeting Wednesday to take up some academic agenda items but will also meet with football coach Dabo Swinney and basketball coach Brad Brownell. It is believed the board wants to hear from Swinney and Brownell about their thoughts on life in the ACC versus what life could be like elsewhere.

Swinney left little doubt where he stands on the matter Tuesday, telling reporters, "Going to the Big 12 is the worst thing we could do as a program. It makes zero sense."

The sense I'm getting from Big 12 sources is the Big 12 won't make any moves in terms of expansion until it knows what Notre Dame is doing. And if Florida State isn't on the table, then it's unlikely any other ACC team is on the table.

But I was also told Tuesday if Notre Dame were to decide to move its non-football sports into the Big 12 and agree to play up to six football games per year against Big 12 schools, then it could trigger a reaction that leads to more schools approaching the Big 12.

Stay tuned.

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« Reply #20638 on: June 13, 2012, 02:08:21 PM »
Also, the "aggie" debate on Clemson has now officially ended.  They are "Backup Aggie."

Safety Aggie?

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« Reply #20639 on: June 13, 2012, 03:16:29 PM »
Also, the "aggie" debate on Clemson has now officially ended.  They are "Backup Aggie."

Backdoor aggie?

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« Reply #20640 on: June 13, 2012, 03:41:35 PM »
Also, the "aggie" debate on Clemson has now officially ended.  They are "Backup Aggie."

Backdoor aggie?

This crap NEVER gets old!!!  I can't get enough!  Just when it seems like all of the wit has been wrung out of the ______ aggie, someone takes it to the next level.  Incredible!!!!!!

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« Reply #20641 on: June 13, 2012, 08:47:16 PM »
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Sources in the Big 12 told Orangebloods.com Florida State would be the most attractive expansion candidate, but only if the Seminoles' leadership was in unison about jumping conferences. And it's become clear Florida State's leadership is not unified about leaving the ACC at this time.

So, yeah, that was my gut feeling after the last few weeks.  Hence why I feel it will be 2014 or 2015.

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The sense I'm getting from Big 12 sources is the Big 12 won't make any moves in terms of expansion until it knows what Notre Dame is doing. And if Florida State isn't on the table, then it's unlikely any other ACC team is on the table.

We aren't going to add anyone other than Florida State at #12 until Notre Dame mushes us in the face, no matter how slim the chances.

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« Reply #20642 on: June 13, 2012, 09:12:31 PM »
Dabo Swinney is so scared of EMAW.

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« Reply #20643 on: June 13, 2012, 09:19:39 PM »
http://www.tigernet.com/view/story.do?id=10666

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The Clemson Board of Trustees met Wednesday afternoon, not only to discuss tuition increases, but to let two of Clemson’s head coaches give their opinions on a potential move to the Big 12.

Head football coach Dabo Swinney and head basketball coach Brad Brownell joined the meeting via teleconference to give their opinions on a potential move, according to Board of Trustees Chairman David Wilkins.

“Obviously, it makes sense to include the entire Clemson family on this, and we asked the coaches to share their opinion with us,” Wilkins told TigerNet Wednesday evening. “Coach Brownell and Coach Swinney were nice enough to spend a few minutes with us. We asked them for their opinion, and they shared their thoughts. They were on the call for a short period of time.”

Swinney, in speaking to reporters Tuesday at his high school camp, gave his opinion on the move.

“In my opinion, going to the Big 12 would be the worst thing we could do as a football program,” Swinney said. “It makes zero sense. We are the ACC. This is a program that has just won the championship and we’ve won it more than any other team in the conference. We can fulfill any goal and dream we have right here in this conference. We have a tremendous footprint to recruit in, to play in.”

Wilkins backed up Swinney’s comments.

“We are 1000 percent in the ACC,” Wilkins told TigerNet. “There are no offers, no discussions and we are concentrating on being the best we can be in the ACC. We are in the ACC, and we need to work together on making the ACC better.”

Wilkins said the school needs to concentrate on making Clemson a force in the Atlantic Coast Conference.

“What we need to do is have the premier sports program in the league we are now in,” Wilkins said. “And that is the ACC. That is where all of our effort and focus needs to be.”

Hmm.  No invite.

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« Reply #20644 on: June 13, 2012, 09:35:24 PM »
lol at caring about a coach's thoughts on realignment.

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« Reply #20645 on: June 13, 2012, 10:19:53 PM »
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Some hybrid of conference champions (most likely two or three) and one or two at-large selections (which could also happen to be conference champions) determined by a selection committee.

We are going to get mumped so hard if this happens.

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« Reply #20646 on: June 14, 2012, 09:32:39 AM »
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Wait, West Virginia is in that Conference now? Yeah, joining that conference is a terrible idea...

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« Reply #20647 on: June 14, 2012, 10:42:45 AM »
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Wait, West Virginia is in that Conference now? Yeah, joining that conference is a terrible idea...

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« Reply #20648 on: June 14, 2012, 03:17:47 PM »
lol at caring about a coach's thoughts on realignment.

I guess Dabo missed the episodes of Friday Night Lights where split Dillon in two, then later close down East Dillon.

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« Reply #20649 on: June 14, 2012, 03:34:16 PM »
lol at caring about a coach's thoughts on realignment.

I guess Dabo missed the episodes of Friday Night Lights where split Dillon in two, then later close down East Dillon.

Don't you love how the black part of Dillon didn't exist until the third season when they needed a new storyline? Also, LOL @ the Landry murder story arc. V. weird.

But the biggest LOL will be at Clemson if they have to play West Virginia all the time. Will cheer so hard for WVU every time those two play.
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