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« Reply #17800 on: January 21, 2012, 04:35:54 PM »
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« Reply #17801 on: January 21, 2012, 04:43:11 PM »
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« Reply #17802 on: January 21, 2012, 05:02:34 PM »
Will this ever end? I predict the Florida schools will go to the SEC, big 10 gets Rutgers, Pitt, etc, and Big 12 gets some sort of leftovers. Not Duke or UNC, they're big 10 bound.
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« Reply #17803 on: January 21, 2012, 05:16:06 PM »
what on earth

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« Reply #17804 on: January 21, 2012, 05:25:09 PM »
Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can...
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« Reply #17805 on: January 21, 2012, 08:30:02 PM »
Prologue:

I sat on this story for three weeks hoping to  verify details and check with my sources at WVU before making this post – that took about a week then I was caught up in the Jeff Casteel drama and somehow my simple winter cold turned into a sinus infection that migrated to my chest and morphed into pneumonia which delayed almost everything.

I’m much improved today with much thanks to Levaquin and home breathing treatments and thought it best I finish and post this story before it becomes national news.  I've verified the details herein and ran them by contacts in the Big 12, ACC and Big East.

Big 12 Thinking Big

Interim Big 12 Commissioner Chuck Nienas has  plans to expand the conference beyond the current 10 members to 14 or as many 16 members. Neinas believes that with selective expansion the Big 12 could give the SEC competition for the best college football conference in the country while securing the future of the league.

Originally Big 12 members not Texas, Oklahoma or Oklahoma State pushed for expansion to give the conference the numbers needed to withstand further defections by targeting the remaining schools in the Big East.

The plan changed with the grumbling of a few ACC schools over the perceived weakening of the football product by the additions of Pittsburgh and Syracuse moved the Big 12 to open preliminary discussions  with them about moving from the ACC to the Big 12.

If the scenario sounds impossible remember that the friction between the Big East basketball only schools and the football schools lead to the departure of four football schools with the remainder scrambling to find a new home.

Several of the schools, who value football more than basketball, are simply tired of North Carolina and the rest of Tobacco Road running the conference without thought to what's best for the entire league -- sound familiar?

ACC football schools such as Florida State, Clemson, Georgia Tech, Pitt and Maryland and BC have spoken with the Big 12 over the past few months about switching leagues despite the buyout  the ACC  added last fall to curtail such moves.

The Big 12’s recent success in football and the additions of TCU and West Virginia position the Big 12 to challenge the top-heavy SEC as the nation’s premier college football conference. It’s the potential of  16 team Big 12 and the prospect selling the televisions rights to the highest-bidder that makes the move an attractive option.

Another factor in play is the eventual move of Notre Dame to an all sports conference. The Fighting Irish are aware that several Big East basketball only schools are discussing leaving the Big East and forming their own league. This would effectively force Notre Dame into searching for a new home for their basketball and Olympic Sports  programs.

The choice for Notre Dame seems to be between the Big 12 and ACC with the Big 10 seemingly content with their current configuration. In this scenario Notre Dame, Pittsburgh, Boston College, Clemson, Maryland and Florida State would be the most likely additions for the Big 12.

Certainly Notre Dame, who values football far more than basketball, would choose the Big 12 over a depleted ACC.

The addition of these 6 schools would give the Big 12 serious leverage in upcoming television negotiations especially if they have the patience to wait long enough for NBC/Comcast into the bidding.

Keep in mind the above scenario is only the best case scenario with several others that include a mix of Big East and ACC schools. However the Big 12 is likely to expand to 16 only if Notre Dame agrees to join.

I’ll update this later as the situation changes. I realize I haven't provided full details or answered all questions but give me a break... I have pneumonia.

Notes:

WVU and the Big East are so close, yet so far away from a settlement. Both agree that WVU will not be a member of the Big East next year but that’s all they agree on. WVU feels that after the Big 12 schedule is announced the Big East will be forced to amend their schedules for 2012 and damages can be calculated. After the Big 12 releases its schedule its only about money.

Oliver Luck and Oklahoma’s Joe Castiglione are both candidates to replace Neinas as Big 12 commissioner.  Luck has an obvious advantage over Castiglione in that he is close to Texas  AD DeLoss Dodds and a graduate of  the Texas School of Law. More importantly Luck has a working relationship with the target ACC schools and connections to NBC sports from his days with NFL Europe.

http://www.eerinsider.com/2012-articles/january/big-12-to-target-acc.html
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« Reply #17806 on: January 21, 2012, 09:44:18 PM »
Didnt the ACC schools sign some sort of 10 year contract so nobody could leave?

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« Reply #17807 on: January 21, 2012, 09:49:02 PM »
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« Reply #17808 on: January 21, 2012, 10:25:46 PM »
Didnt the ACC schools sign some sort of 10 year contract so nobody could leave?

No.  They just have a $20 million buyout.

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« Reply #17809 on: January 21, 2012, 10:34:14 PM »
 :love:  the thought of not having to worry about where we will get stuck due to realignment.
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« Reply #17810 on: January 21, 2012, 10:38:44 PM »
Didnt the ACC schools sign some sort of 10 year contract so nobody could leave?

No.  They just have a $20 million buyout.

Gotcha, Big16 would be awesome- with ksu included

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« Reply #17811 on: January 21, 2012, 10:44:23 PM »
:love:  the thought of not having to worry about where we will get stuck due to realignment.

If this happens, I'm not only turning this thread into a screen play, I'm turning it into a musical.

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« Reply #17812 on: January 21, 2012, 10:49:27 PM »
:love:  the thought of not having to worry about where we will get stuck due to realignment.

If this happens, I'm not only turning this thread into a screen play, I'm turning it into a musical.

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« Reply #17813 on: January 21, 2012, 11:15:26 PM »
:love:  the thought of not having to worry about where we will get stuck due to realignment.

If this happens, I'm not only turning this thread into a screen play, I'm turning it into a musical.

If I can throw out a request, I'd like to be played by Nathan Lane.

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« Reply #17814 on: January 21, 2012, 11:21:02 PM »
Aside from its inception, when has the big 12 ever thought and/or done something big?  I'll believe it when I see it.

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« Reply #17815 on: January 21, 2012, 11:32:20 PM »
Aside from its inception, when has the big 12 ever thought and/or done something big?  I'll believe it when I see it.

I think it boils down to incentive.  Texas now has an incentive to keep this conference alive and strong to keep the dream of the LHN alive.  OU tested the waters and found that no one they want really wants them, so they have an incentive to make the Big 12 strong.

If they can get a commissioner that everyone can rally around, I think there's a chance.  Now that the Big Ten and Pac-12 have seemingly shut their doors, I can see folks looking at the Big 12 like it's an attractive option.

The central point in the WVU post is absolutely true.  The ACC is basketball driven, and in the new normal, that won't cut it in terms of TV dollars.  Our core product is strong, and picking some of the better schools from the Big East and ACC would make a conference on par with the SEC for sure.

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« Reply #17816 on: January 21, 2012, 11:34:18 PM »
Would be amazing to watch GT roll up 700+ yards on KU on a semi-regular basis.   :thumbs:
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« Reply #17817 on: January 21, 2012, 11:38:35 PM »
We may find out how Washington State feels?  :excited:

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« Reply #17818 on: January 22, 2012, 12:14:15 AM »
Didnt the ACC schools sign some sort of 10 year contract so nobody could leave?

No.  They just have a $20 million buyout.

Gotcha, Big16 would be awesome- with ksu included
Would be nice to cherry pick the ACC and Big East.  Would love to see Miami, Florida State, Louiville and Notre Dame.  :crossfingers:  Not sure what other schools would add to the conference.  :dunno:
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« Reply #17819 on: January 22, 2012, 07:10:50 AM »
If that happens, the possiblity Missouri left for the SEC and gets less money than other area schools is really, really high.  Awesome.

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« Reply #17820 on: January 22, 2012, 10:26:18 AM »

http://www.eerinsider.com/2012-articles/january/big-12-to-target-acc.html



I see some problems with this guy's analysis.  First, he's a West Virginia fan who wrote a blog.  As a K-State fan, if I wrote a blog and stated that I had confirmed with my sources that FSU and Clemson were joining the Big 12, why would anyone believe it?

Second, he seems to really over-value WVU in his blog.  He thinks Oliver Luck, the West Virginia AD, is going to become the Big 12 commish when WVU joins?  He thinks the football powers in the ACC are upset that the ACC added Pitt and Cuse, but not WVU?

Next, when he lists football schools in the ACC that might be looking at joining the Big 12, he includes Boston College and Maryland.  Um... what on earth makes either of those schools "football schools"?

Finally, he takes a really big leap between saying that FSU has inquired with the Big 12 about revenue and saying that the Big 12 is planning to raid the ACC.  There is a huge difference between FSU contacting us through back channels and us deciding to cherry pick another major conference.  Heck, I assume that FSU has also inquired with the SEC and the Big Ten about revenue possibilities in both of those conferences as well.

Count me as someone that is extremely skeptical about this latest round of rumors.

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« Reply #17821 on: January 22, 2012, 10:37:58 AM »
If that happens, the possiblity Missouri left for the SEC and gets less money than other area schools is really, really high.  Awesome.

They are going to get less money than any Big 12 school if the Big 12 stays at 10 teams.  If the Big 12 goes to sixteen teams Mizzou will make more money.

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« Reply #17822 on: January 22, 2012, 11:39:16 AM »
Haven't read through every post in this thread  :blindfold: but am I the only one that thinks we're still headed for 4 super conferences that would essentially create an 8 team playoff? Win your division and you play for the conference title, win the conference title and you play in a 4-team playoff against the other conference champs?  :dunno:  Would satisfy the big 10/Pac 12/Rose Bowl relationship because they could host that game every year.  It kind of fucks up the seeding, but it would be a step in the right direction if the SEC winner played the Big 12 (16) winner in the Cotton? ( :excited: ) Bowl and big 10 winner played the Pac 12 (16) winner every year in the Rose Bowl and those 2 went on to play for the national title that is bid out every year to a different site.
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« Reply #17823 on: January 22, 2012, 11:52:18 AM »
:love:  the thought of not having to worry about where we will get stuck due to realignment.

If this happens, I'm not only turning this thread into a screen play, I'm turning it into a musical.

If I can throw out a request, I'd like to be played by Nathan Lane.

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« Reply #17824 on: January 22, 2012, 12:11:51 PM »
Do not want to be in the same conference as Atlantic Coast teams.


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