Author Topic: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....  (Read 4976232 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline michigancat

  • Contributor
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • *****
  • Posts: 55964
  • change your stupid avatar.
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #17375 on: November 04, 2011, 03:27:41 PM »
he's right

Offline CNS

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 38084
  • I'm Athletes
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #17376 on: November 04, 2011, 03:38:17 PM »
the WVU suit looks like it could get dicey:

Quote
Key: "..if a member...leaves during...term, the parties SHALL negotiate in good faith with respect to a reduction of the rights fee". SHALL!

Quote
The tv contract language states "SHALL" not "may". A team leaves and the Big East is FORCED to renegotiate lower tv rights fees w/ESPN & CBS

Loss of value due to WVU leaving looks to be a guarantee.

Offline SkinnyBenny

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 16748
  • good time rock-n-roll plastic banana FM type
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #17377 on: November 04, 2011, 03:43:07 PM »
Daaaaaaaamn.

By the way, Jim Delaney is the anti-Christ, Scotchy is right about that.
"walking around mhk and crying in the rain because of love lost is the absolute purest and best thing in the world.  i hope i fall in love during the next few weeks and get my heart broken and it starts raining just to experience it one last time."   --Dlew12

Offline kstater

  • Katpak'r
  • ***
  • Posts: 2325
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #17378 on: November 04, 2011, 03:44:25 PM »
the WVU suit looks like it could get dicey:

Quote
Key: "..if a member...leaves during...term, the parties SHALL negotiate in good faith with respect to a reduction of the rights fee". SHALL!

Quote
The tv contract language states "SHALL" not "may". A team leaves and the Big East is FORCED to renegotiate lower tv rights fees w/ESPN & CBS

Loss of value due to WVU leaving looks to be a guarantee.

Isn't the Big East TV deal up after this year anyway?

Offline kstater

  • Katpak'r
  • ***
  • Posts: 2325
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #17379 on: November 04, 2011, 03:48:16 PM »
Looks like it expires after next year.  ESPN has exclusive negotiating rights in Sept of next year.

Offline CNS

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 38084
  • I'm Athletes
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #17380 on: November 04, 2011, 03:54:51 PM »
Looks like it expires after next year.  ESPN has exclusive negotiating rights in Sept of next year.

That is good news.  any loss in value can only be multiplied by 1 given that next year is the last year of the deal.

Offline MadCat

  • TIME's Person Of The Year - 2006
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 13890
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #17381 on: November 04, 2011, 04:16:04 PM »
Big East files against WVU for breach of contract.  Wants injunction forcing to stay.
WVU: Can we just get sued for damages and call it good? kthxbai

Offline Skipper44

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 7629
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #17382 on: November 04, 2011, 04:22:43 PM »
Big East files against WVU for breach of contract.  Wants injunction forcing to stay.
WVU: Can we just get sued for damages and call it good? kthxbai
Yeah, the total annual value of the espn deal is only $37.5M  :zzz:

Offline CNS

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 38084
  • I'm Athletes
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #17383 on: November 04, 2011, 04:38:44 PM »
Quote
sptwri Mike DeArmond
@
@CNSCasey Now there is a shocking statement by CNSCasey. It's Missouri's fault. You're a one-trick pony kid.

:popscollar:

Offline Trim

  • Global Moderator
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • *****
  • Posts: 42623
  • Pfizer PLUS Moderna and now Pfizer Bivalent
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #17384 on: November 04, 2011, 04:41:35 PM »
Quote
sptwri Mike DeArmond
@
@CNSCasey Now there is a shocking statement by CNSCasey. It's Missouri's fault. You're a one-trick pony kid.

:popscollar:

I'd tell you to stay gold if rough ridin' jt of all people hadn't made that same reference not long ago.

Offline Brock Landers

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 7241
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #17385 on: November 04, 2011, 04:43:04 PM »
Quote
sptwri Mike DeArmond
@
@CNSCasey Now there is a shocking statement by CNSCasey. It's Missouri's fault. You're a one-trick pony kid.

:popscollar:


Wow, Scotchy sure embraces his role as a butthurt media member.  Awesome work CNS!!   w00t

Offline CNS

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 38084
  • I'm Athletes
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #17386 on: November 04, 2011, 04:48:24 PM »
Quote
@dennisdoddcbs: WVU former president and general counsel chief drafters of BE withdrawl provisions. Wow

 :thumbsup:

Offline kstater

  • Katpak'r
  • ***
  • Posts: 2325
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #17387 on: November 04, 2011, 05:04:19 PM »
Big East files against WVU for breach of contract.  Wants injunction forcing to stay.
WVU: Can we just get sued for damages and call it good? kthxbai
Yeah, the total annual value of the espn deal is only $37.5M  :zzz:

So the Big East is boxing themselves into a corner here right?  If they sue for more damages more than 5M(1/8th) they're arguing WVU is worth a big chunk of their TV contract percentage wise.  So, come new contract time without WVU they'll be negotiating with the stance that they have less value.

Offline sys

  • Contributor
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • *****
  • Posts: 40815
  • your reputation will never recover, nor should it.
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #17388 on: November 04, 2011, 08:50:28 PM »
So the Big East is boxing themselves into a corner here right?  If they sue for more damages more than 5M(1/8th) they're arguing WVU is worth a big chunk of their TV contract percentage wise.  So, come new contract time without WVU they'll be negotiating with the stance that they have less value.

man oh man, i bet the networks are thanking their lucky stars that they'll have this lawsuit to clue them in about the reduced value of the big east tv rights.
"a garden city man wondered in april if the theologians had not made a mistake in locating the garden of eden in asia rather than in the arkansas river valley."

Offline kstater

  • Katpak'r
  • ***
  • Posts: 2325
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #17389 on: November 04, 2011, 08:57:35 PM »
So the Big East is boxing themselves into a corner here right?  If they sue for more damages more than 5M(1/8th) they're arguing WVU is worth a big chunk of their TV contract percentage wise.  So, come new contract time without WVU they'll be negotiating with the stance that they have less value.

man oh man, i bet the networks are thanking their lucky stars that they'll have this lawsuit to clue them in about the reduced value of the big east tv rights.

I was thinking more on the argument in the lawsuit side.

Offline wetwillie

  • goEMAW Poster of the WEEK
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • *****
  • Posts: 32520
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #17390 on: November 04, 2011, 09:04:34 PM »
The sys PI is so brutal. Sometimes I just have to look away.
When the bullets are flying, that's when I'm at my best

Offline MakeItRain

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 45938
  • big roas man
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #17391 on: November 05, 2011, 02:51:23 PM »
@MattJonesCBB Matt Jones
Louisville is not bringing its dance team or mascot to the West Virginia road game because they believe environment will be too dangerous


Welcome to the Big 12 West Virginia  :cheers:

Matt Jones wrong again.  Not only did Louisville bring their mascot and what seemed to be every damn cheerleader in the state of Kentucky, they beat the piss out of WVU.  Good young QB, good young football coach, YUM Center, Pitino jokes, the Cards better be coming with Meth Coal Aggy.
« Last Edit: November 05, 2011, 04:19:31 PM by MakeItRain »

Offline skycat

  • Katpak'r
  • ***
  • Posts: 1143
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #17392 on: November 05, 2011, 03:11:04 PM »
I think the Indian Casino in downtown KCK should build an arena there.  Go Orleans style.  gambling/concerts/sporting events

 :driving:

Supposedly land across State Ave from the race track at the Legends is Indian land that is slated for a casino.

The Indians are building a casino next the the state's casino  :confused:

I don't know where it stands right now.  I do know that 4 years ago, when the Hard Rock was first slated to go forward, there were three others that were up for approval as well: The one I mentioned above, The Sands had a contingent offer on something like 400 acres along I435 and Leavenworth rd., and another group had a contingent offer on land next to Schlitterbaun water park on the east side of I435 from the Legends.

Economy went boom, and the Hard Rock is the only one I have heard solid stuff on since. 



Hard Rock plan died a long time ago, and Hollywood Casino took its place. In fact it's almost finished:

http://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/news/2011/10/14/get-a-sneak-peek-inside-hollywood.html

I haven't heard anything about a new Indian casino opening near this one.

Offline 06wildcat

  • Katpak'r
  • ***
  • Posts: 1666
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #17393 on: November 06, 2011, 09:11:47 AM »
So Missouri to the SEC East is a done deal.   :lol:

Have fun with that fuckers.

Offline OlatheWildcat

  • Combo-Fan
  • **
  • Posts: 696
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #17394 on: November 06, 2011, 09:20:46 AM »
So Missouri to the SEC East is a done deal.   :lol:

Have fun with that fuckers.

Enjoy your 1945 style football, with scores like "5-3" and the offensive explosion "10-7."
Follow me on Twitter @OlatheWildcat12

Offline Stupid Fitz

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 6844
  • Go Cats
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #17395 on: November 06, 2011, 10:06:42 AM »
They are going to just get destroyed the next few years and probably every year after, but def the next 2-3 years. 

Offline Dugout DickStone

  • Global Moderator
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • *****
  • Posts: 53909
  • BSPAC
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #17396 on: November 06, 2011, 10:12:18 AM »
They are going to just get destroyed the next few years and probably every year after, but def the next 2-3 years. 

meh.  LSU and bama had great defenses but outside of Richardson not a ton of offense.  Not saying mu won't get pounded, they are a lower level Big 12 team, but last night's big game showed us the SEC is just massive lines and big LB's, but shitty QB's and gameplans.

Offline EMAWzified

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 4244
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #17397 on: November 06, 2011, 11:15:38 AM »
MU's going to have to develop a whole new recruiting strategy. If other Texas schools other than Big 12 teams are refusing to schedule A&M because they don't want to open up the state to the SEC, don't think they'll jump at the chance to play a team with a smaller stadium and more travel. Not sure how that "You can play in Texas once in your college career" is going to work with their Lone Star recruiting base.

Offline ednksu

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 9862
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #17398 on: November 06, 2011, 11:22:59 AM »
MU's going to have to develop a whole new recruiting strategy. If other Texas schools other than Big 12 teams are refusing to schedule A&M because they don't want to open up the state to the SEC, don't think they'll jump at the chance to play a team with a smaller stadium and more travel. Not sure how that "You can play in Texas once in your college career" is going to work with their Lone Star recruiting base.
yeah this is going to radically change the athletic culture.
The more I think about it, the more I believe that actual mizzou admin wanted to stay and the Governor and his cronies wanted the move.
Quote from: OregonHawk
KU is right on par with Notre Dame ... when it comes to adding additional conference revenue

Quote from: Kim Carnes
Beer pro tip: never drink anything other than BL, coors, pbr, maybe a few others that I'm forgetting

Offline felix rex

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 8967
  • Knows what Brent did
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #17399 on: November 06, 2011, 11:23:43 AM »
They are going to just get destroyed the next few years and probably every year after, but def the next 2-3 years. 

meh.  LSU and bama had great defenses but outside of Richardson not a ton of offense.  Not saying mu won't get pounded, they are a lower level Big 12 team, but last night's big game showed us the SEC is just massive lines and big LB's, but shitty QB's and gameplans.

Which talking point do you prefer? Big 12 defenses only look bad b/c of Big 12 offenses, or SEC offenses only look bad b/c of SEC defenses?
"How will I recruit to Manhattan? Well, distance. And the proud state of basketball. It start there, and then daily flights to Dallas, because I'm really good at going out. Like top five good. Ask my wife. She wants me to be happy."