Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....

[AbeFroman]

Livestrong Sporting Park...populous designed.  boom.  

can hold wbb and mbb tourney at same time in same venue. 

eff no. Give the women Community America Ball Park

[WillieWatanabe]

http://dennis-dodd.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6270202/32522375

[MakeItRain]

Every single one of you talking about the basketball tournament have spent way too much time huffing spray paint in paper bags.

The conference tournament will still be played in Kansas City on a fairly regular basis. 

Kansas City, MISSOURI.  

Tournament venues are approved by a majority vote.  You think the Big 9 majority will vote to play the tourny in Missouri - a State not represented in the Big 9?  Maybe we could play it in Omaha or Denver?  

If the board was comprised of crybaby fanboys then yes KC should kiss the tournament goodbye.  If the board is comprised of people with business and common sense then KC will still host the tournament.  Your Omaha and Denver example is really really stupid and you should feel dumb for typing it even if you're playing devils advocate.

[TheHamburglar]

I think the basketball tournament will still rotate through KC.  I am just worried how much they'll want to put CCG in Arrowhead again. 

Also: LOL at Wichita.  Have you flown through ICT?  They have like 2 turboprop flights to Dallas every day.  (possibly exaggerating)

Don't knock ITC.  I drive to ICT from Tulsa to fly to Vegas as part of super cheap AlligientAir packages.

[catzacker]

Every single one of you talking about the basketball tournament have spent way too much time huffing spray paint in paper bags.

The conference tournament will still be played in Kansas City on a fairly regular basis. 

Kansas City, MISSOURI.  

Tournament venues are approved by a majority vote.  You think the Big 9 majority will vote to play the tourny in Missouri - a State not represented in the Big 9?  Maybe we could play it in Omaha or Denver?  

If the board was comprised of crybaby fanboys then yes KC should kiss the tournament goodbye.  If the board is comprised of people with business and common sense then KC will still host the tournament.  Your Omaha and Denver example is really really stupid and you should feel dumb for typing it even if you're playing devils advocate.

the entire conference has shown that it is filled with crybabies.  jfc, you think that changes?

[Dr Rick Daris]

Every single one of you talking about the basketball tournament have spent way too much time huffing spray paint in paper bags.

The conference tournament will still be played in Kansas City on a fairly regular basis.  Mizzou leaving, they won't, won't make KU, KSU, and ISU fans hate basketball more.  The methheads leaving also won't make Texans and Oklahomans care about college basketball more.  Furthermore, if the conference expands it will expand north and east making KC a centralized location within the conference geographical footprint.  You idiots are overselling Missouri's impact on attendance at the tournament.  The meltdown about this is more annoying than ew constantly mentioning Air rough ridin' Force and 'Zacker being off of his Paxil finding the in every bit of news or now-news he hears.

Wichita will not host the Big 12 tournament as long as the conference insists on having the men's & women's tournament in the same place, as obviously they don't have a second arena to host.  For the record the insistence of having both tournaments in the same place is really stupid and I wouldn't be surprised to see that practice end soon.

Hope you're right, but why would the league hold the tourney in a State that doesn't have a school in it?

I don't get that either.  Especially when OKC and Dallas are more than viable options.  You would have to disregard any idea of centralizing the tournament for BYU's sake.  And if UL and WVU were added, using MIR's reasoning, we'd have the tournament in Fayetteville because that would be "central" and who gives a sh*t about money going to the state where the conference doesn't have a school.

Jesus rough ridin' Christ there's a school 15 miles away, two schools within 100 miles, and three within 200.  Get a rough ridin' grip.  Why would they care if there is a school in the goddamn state of Missouri.  There's no school in Dallas, is there?  Local revenues are assisted by the tournaments not state revenues.  Stop trying so hard to be so rough ridin' gloomy.

you are about twenty or thirty miles off on your distances for the schools mentioned above.

also, i don't think it's absurd to insinuate that some schools would be less than happy with having the tournament in a state that the conference doesn't have a school in, especially when that state is home to the school that just left the conference. from a bargaining standpoint and assuming that all other schools want mizzou to stay, then i'd argue that it is smart to bring this up especially to business owners and politicians on the mo side of kc that would stand to lose out on quite a bit if they did in fact stop having it at sprint, which i agree might be unlikely but not impossible.

[theKSU]

Petro really sounds like he wants Mizzou to go.  Just wondering, if Mizzou gets out of Texas isn't that good for us?  

[steve dave]

There is no way they are playing the Big 12 tourney in Missouri without MU in the league

[theKSU]

http://dennis-dodd.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6270202/32522375

Bill Self is totally EMABXII 

Kansas' basketball coach told the Lawrence Journal-World that the MU-KU series may be over.

" ... I don't think I would be interested in having a once-a-year game like I did when I was at Illinois, playing Missouri," Self said. "I could probably change my mind (but) trust me, we would have no trouble finding a non-league game to play.

"I love the rivalry .. but I can't imagine why would we continue playing?"

[TheHamburglar]

http://dennis-dodd.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6270202/32522375

eff that guy.  Didn't realize there was a larger presence of ISU and Nub alums in KC Metro than KSU alums.  Also spent 1/2 the article touting how great the KU-MU game in Arrowhead was.  Didn't that thing draw like 40,000 last year.  Said after the RRR and Iron Bowl it's the 3rd best rivalry.  KU-MU doesn't come close to Mich-OSU or Florida-Georgia.  Hell, it doesn't come close to Alabama-Tennessee and they don't even play every year.

[steve dave]

http://dennis-dodd.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/6270202/32522375

eff that guy.  Saying there's more ISU and Nub alumni in KC Metro.  Also spend 1/2 the article touting how great the KU-MU game in Arrowhead was.  Didn't that thing draw like 40,000 last year.  Said after the RRR and Iron Bowl it's the 3rd best rivalry.  KU-MU doesn't come close to Mich-OSU or Florida-Georgia.  Hell, it doesn't come close to Alabama-Tennessee and they don't even play every year.

shut up thb

[MakeItRain]

Every single one of you talking about the basketball tournament have spent way too much time huffing spray paint in paper bags.

The conference tournament will still be played in Kansas City on a fairly regular basis.  Mizzou leaving, they won't, won't make KU, KSU, and ISU fans hate basketball more.  The methheads leaving also won't make Texans and Oklahomans care about college basketball more.  Furthermore, if the conference expands it will expand north and east making KC a centralized location within the conference geographical footprint.  You idiots are overselling Missouri's impact on attendance at the tournament.  The meltdown about this is more annoying than ew constantly mentioning Air rough ridin' Force and 'Zacker being off of his Paxil finding the in every bit of news or now-news he hears.

Wichita will not host the Big 12 tournament as long as the conference insists on having the men's & women's tournament in the same place, as obviously they don't have a second arena to host.  For the record the insistence of having both tournaments in the same place is really stupid and I wouldn't be surprised to see that practice end soon.

Hope you're right, but why would the league hold the tourney in a State that doesn't have a school in it?

I don't get that either.  Especially when OKC and Dallas are more than viable options.  You would have to disregard any idea of centralizing the tournament for BYU's sake.  And if UL and WVU were added, using MIR's reasoning, we'd have the tournament in Fayetteville because that would be "central" and who gives a sh*t about money going to the state where the conference doesn't have a school.

Jesus rough ridin' Christ there's a school 15 miles away, two schools within 100 miles, and three within 200.  Get a rough ridin' grip.  Why would they care if there is a school in the goddamn state of Missouri.  There's no school in Dallas, is there?  Local revenues are assisted by the tournaments not state revenues.  Stop trying so hard to be so rough ridin' gloomy.

you are about twenty or thirty miles off on your distances for the schools mentioned above.

also, i don't think it's absurd to insinuate that some schools would be less than happy with having the tournament in a state that the conference doesn't have a school in, especially when that state is home to the school that just left the conference. from a bargaining standpoint and assuming that all other schools want mizzou to stay, then i'd argue that it is smart to bring this up especially to business owners and politicians on the mo side of kc that would stand to lose out on quite a bit if they did in fact stop having it at sprint, which i agree would be very unlikely but not impossible.

They should use it as a bargaining point and Kansas Citians should put pressure on Mizzou.  However, at the end of the day even without Mizzou KC would be at worst the second best place to host the tournament from a bottom line standpoint.  There are no financial ties between the University of Missouri, the state of Missouri, and the Big 12 Basketball Championship.  If state economics mattered the tournament would rotate between Dallas, Houston, and San Antonio.  The conference isn't going to be concerned with "helping the state of Missouri" because they won't/aren't helping the state of Missouri.

[catzacker]

Petro really sounds like he wants Mizzou to go.  Just wondering, if Mizzou gets out of Texas isn't that good for us?  

It should.  KSU and KU should be able to capitalize on mu losing some recruits in tx because they won’t play there but once every aggie moon.  Hopefully, all of MU’s tx recruits are DITR, that’s the only way bill will/can recruit them.

[Panjandrum]

FYI, the BigTen does not own all of their Tier2 content as what we would consider Tier2.  In Big12 terms, Tier1 is over the air broadcast, such as ABC and Tier2 is cable, such as ESPN and FSN.  With the BigTen, they supply usually 3 games a week to ABC/ESPN.  If ABC shows 2 BigTen games, like last week, they show a 3rd on ESPN.  If ABC shows 1 BigTen game, like this week, they show 2 on ESPN/ESPN2.  The BTN shows the remaining.  Also, I don't believe ESPN usually gets 1st pick for that 3rd game.  

In Big12 terms, if we kept our Tier2, as defined now, a Big12 network would show every game except 16-18 ABC games a year.  What the BigTen has done is split their Tier2 in half and supply part of that to ABC/ESPN as part of that larger contract.  What the BigTen considers Tier 1 is much larger than what the Big12 considers Tier1.  To say that the BigTen owns all of their Tier2 content is very misleading considering that in the context in which the term "Tier2" is used between the two conferences is very different.

What the Big Ten has done is assure their teams that all conference games are televised.  No matter what, your football game will fall no lower than the BTN.

Basically, if I could play God, and Missouri chooses to stay, I'd invite BYU, Louisville, and WVU immediately.  Make West Virginia tell you no.  Then go back to Fox and tell them you're interested in a Big 12 Network similar to the Big Ten Network for Tier 2 games.

When Tier 1 rights are up, put them up for bid and give them approximately two games a week for the year plus a conf. championship game.  During the conference season, everyone is Tier 1 and 2.  During non-con, everyone gets one guaranteed game on Tier 3 for individual distribution with one option.  If they decline that option, it goes back to the Tier 2 pool for inclusion into the Network.  LHN and BYU would then have two games a year they can put on BYUtv and the LHN.

With bye weeks and such, you'd probably have ten games per week in the month of September.  That means Tier 1 would get to pick two, B12N would pick four, and then the other four teams can exercise their options.

Given how good the basketball would be with the teams involved, I can see a B12N being very solvent during the winter months.

You can make all of these things work together if people get creative enough.

[Trim]

never in a hundred million years will the conference basketball tournament ever be held in wichita freaking kansas so please just shut up about it already. i mean i'm sure nobody is actually serious, but this has gone on for like five pages and is to the point where the joke is just not funny anymore (it never was btw) and is seriously messing up the cigar thread. so if you idiots want to keep up the convo maybe make a combofanning thread about it or something.
 

They won't get it, but Wichita absolutely should at least put in a bid for it. It's not like they have anything better to do.

Should I move to Florida and live in a bar district loft within walking distance of a suitable arena, I'd also push for that hypothetical Florida town to host the Big 12 tourney.

[MakeItRain]

There is no way they are playing the Big 12 tourney in Missouri without MU in the league

Explain why not?  Does Mizzou leaving render KU & KSU basketball meaningless?  So I guess we can say goodbye to KU & KSU playing games at the Sprint Center and no more CBE involving teams from outside of the state of Missouri?  

Can someone proposing this please tell me how it would make business since to no longer have the tournament in KC?  Everyone seems to think that sticking it to MU will he the motivation, how?   Why would Mizzou fans care whether or not the Big 12 tournament is in KC if they are in the SEC?

[steve dave]

The Big 12 is not going to send that kind of revenue to a state with no horse in it's race.  I can't think of any conference that has played their championship in any sport outside of a state that they have a team in.  I'm going to take the rest of your questions in order:

No
No
Makes more sense to send the money to OKC or Dallas (really the only other options)
It won't be, nobody has said that as far as I've read
they wouldn't, nobody has said they would as far as I've read

[Dr Rick Daris]

There is no way they are playing the Big 12 tourney in Missouri without MU in the league

Explain why not?  Does Mizzou leaving render KU & KSU basketball meaningless?  So I guess we can say goodbye to KU & KSU playing games at the Sprint Center and no more CBE involving teams from outside of the state of Missouri? 

Can someone proposing this please tell me how it would make business since to no longer have the tournament in KC?  Everyone seems to think that sticking it to MU will he the motivation, how?   Why would Mizzou fans care whether or not the Big 12 tournament is in KC if they are in the SEC?

why did norm stewart always say that his teams would never spend a dime in kansas? you think the kansas fans cared? no they didn't. he said that crap because it wasn't about sticking it to the other fans, it was about giving your fans something to be all weird and proud about and i could see oklahoma and texas being all "you want to leave? fine. no more bball tourney for your state" and then all of the oklahoma and texas people are all like "yeah. what he said!" .

also, you already have two schools in oklahoma that both think okc is the best place for a tourney and three schools in texas that think dallas is the best place for the tourney. mu leaving will probably make them more vocal about this. i mean honestly just imagine that the tourney had been in omaha for the last thirty years and then nu left. you don't think ku or kstate fans would be going screw this. we don't want to have it there anymore? because they would.

[Panjandrum]

There is no way they are playing the Big 12 tourney in Missouri without MU in the league

Explain why not?  Does Mizzou leaving render KU & KSU basketball meaningless?  So I guess we can say goodbye to KU & KSU playing games at the Sprint Center and no more CBE involving teams from outside of the state of Missouri? 

Can someone proposing this please tell me how it would make business since to no longer have the tournament in KC?  Everyone seems to think that sticking it to MU will he the motivation, how?   Why would Mizzou fans care whether or not the Big 12 tournament is in KC if they are in the SEC?

why did norm stewart always say that his teams would never spend a dime in kansas? you think the kansas fans cared? no they didn't. he said that crap because it wasn't about sticking it to the other fans, it was about giving your fans something to be all weird and proud about and i could see oklahoma and texas being all "you want to leave? fine. no more bball tourney for your state and then the oklahoma and texas people are all like "yeah. what he said!" .

also, you already have two schools in oklahoma that both think okc is the best place for a tourney and three schools in texas that think dallas is the best place for the tourney. mu leaving will probably make them more vocal about this. i mean honestly just imagine that the tourney had been in omaha for the last thirty years and then nu left. you don't think ku or kstate fans would be going screw this. we don't want to have it there anymore? because they would.

Just watch the ball sail over the fence and enjoy your trot to home, Daris.  You earned it on this one.

[Rage Against the McKee]

We've got two schools in Kansas that will think Wichita is the best place for the tourney, too. I think it will end up on OKC. I believe 42 when he says that Dallas would be a disaster.

[yoga-like_abana]

so much for camaraderie, mods please move this thread to bitchers pit.

[Panjandrum]

We've got two schools in Kansas that will think Wichita is the best place for the tourney, too. I think it will end up on OKC. I believe 42 when he says that Dallas would be a disaster.

I'm okay with OKC being the primary hub if it came down to it.

[Belvis Noland]

Get a rough ridin' grip.  Why would they care if there is a school in the goddamn state of Missouri.  There's no school in Dallas, is there?  

Dallas isn't a State. 

http://www.yourchildlearns.com/us_map.htm

[steve dave]

We've got two schools in Kansas that will think Wichita is the best place for the tourney, too. I think it will end up on OKC. I believe 42 when he says that Dallas would be a disaster.

I'm okay with OKC being the primary hub if it came down to it.

yeah, wouldn't mind.  good SPG redemption rate at the Sheraton across the street.

[Belvis Noland]

Explain why not?
 

Because the State of Missouri is not within the geographic footprint of the B12 conference.  It really doesn't get any simpler than that. 

Name a single Conference Championship that is played in a State outside of the Conference, and I'll promptly shut the hell up.  Otherwise, stop posting in this thread.