Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....

[EllToPay]

there is no way Mike Dearmond is still sober.  NO way.

Will miss him. Maybe the last interesting columnist in our area. Still not over losing Whitlock.

He tweeted last night that he was retiring in February.

[Panjandrum]

there is no way Mike Dearmond is still sober.  NO way.

Agreed.

[Deez Nutz]

Hey let's host is at the BRAM.  That's right, GON o' DOOM!  Centralized location for the Wild Wildcat fans!

Renovate Ahearn for the women's tourney?   

[felix rex]

there is no way Mike Dearmond is still sober.  NO way.

Will miss him. Maybe the last interesting columnist in our area. Still not over losing Whitlock.

He tweeted last night that he was retiring in February.

Hopefully the Star takes that opportunity to round out their staff by hiring a bland young white guy.

[Kat Kid]

Hey let's host is at the BRAM.  That's right, GON o' DOOM!  Centralized location for the Wild Wildcat fans!

Renovate Ahearn for the women's tourney?   

Pretty sure Hilton Garden Convention Center can handle that one.

["storm"nut]

Hey let's host is at the BRAM.  That's right, GON o' DOOM!  Centralized location for the Wild Wildcat fans!

Renovate Ahearn for the women's tourney?   

Pretty sure Hilton Garden Convention Center can handle that one.

MHS has 2 gyms that both have regulation BBall courts on them. Men's in the North Gym. Women's in the south Gym. 

[Belvis Noland]

Every single one of you talking about the basketball tournament have spent way too much time huffing spray paint in paper bags.

The conference tournament will still be played in Kansas City on a fairly regular basis. 

Kansas City, MISSOURI.  

Tournament venues are approved by a majority vote.  You think the Big 9 majority will vote to play the tourny in Missouri - a State not represented in the Big 9?  Maybe we could play it in Omaha or Denver?  

[Belvis Noland]

PS, from GPC:

goose

Chip Brown Tweets: Big 12 teams in talks to extend Tier 1 & Tier 2 rights Reply

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Closer to 13 years.

Sounds like a Put up or Shut up for all teams who want to be a part of the Big 12.






If MU wants to joint the SEC, then so be it.  But, if they are using this whole "explore options" angle as leverage - and it works - we KSUers may be thanking them in the future for putting up a fight.  the current 6 year deal that everybody is talking about seems kind of asinine. 

 

[Panjandrum]

PS, from GPC:

goose

Chip Brown Tweets: Big 12 teams in talks to extend Tier 1 & Tier 2 rights Reply

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Closer to 13 years.

Sounds like a Put up or Shut up for all teams who want to be a part of the Big 12.






If MU wants to joint the SEC, then so be it.  But, if they are using this whole "explore options" angle as leverage - and it works - we KSUers may be thanking them in the future for putting up a fight.  the current 6 year deal that everybody is talking about seems kind of asinine. 

 

I still think there's a better than average chance they stay.  But they're going to need to get some absolutely major concessions for that to take place.  I mean it will have to look like a huge win.

Like we get a conference network win.

[steve dave]

If there is a vote that we turn tier 2/3 rights into the Big12 network KState should throw a fit and demand concessions to repay us for our KStateHD stuff. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

If there is a vote that we turn tier 2/3 rights into the Big12 network KState should throw a fit and demand concessions to repay us for our KStateHD stuff. 

I agree. We should stick by Texas and demand concessions.

[Belvis Noland]

I still think there's a better than average chance they stay.  But they're going to need to get some absolutely major concessions for that to take place.  I mean it will have to look like a huge win.

Like we get a conference network win.

For MU to stay (and for the rest of us little guys to not be ass mumped in the future), I think we need to be back at 12 teams with a conference championship game + all of the other crap that people are talking about.  100% revenue sharing for tier1/2, big exit fees, 10+year tv right forfeitures, etc.  

I think it probably pisses off MU and the North schools that we're talking about adding Houston and TCU, especially since a lot of crap gets accomplished by pure majority vote.  TCU and Houston will simply be UT puppets - just like Tech and Baylor.  

[Belvis Noland]

If there is a vote that we turn tier 2/3 rights into the Big12 network KState should throw a fit and demand concessions to repay us for our KStateHD stuff. 

Why would anybody vote to turn tier 2 into a Conference network? 

Also, not sure how a Big12 network would work, considering most Big12 school already have (or are about to have) their own dedicated tier 3 programming.  UT, OU, KSU, MU (the big hitters).

[steve dave]

Why would anybody vote to turn tier 2 into a Conference network? 

I don't know, ask the Big 10.  They are kicking ass and balls with theirs.  Our FSN contract wouldn't allow it anyway.

[Rage Against the McKee]

If there is a vote that we turn tier 2/3 rights into the Big12 network KState should throw a fit and demand concessions to repay us for our KStateHD stuff. 

Why would anybody vote to turn tier 2 into a Conference network? 

Also, not sure how a Big12 network would work, considering most Big12 school already have (or are about to have) their own dedicated tier 3 programming.  UT, OU, KSU, MU (the big hitters).

That's what the Big 10 did, and that's the only reason their network is valuable. I don't think people understand just how shitty tier 3 programming is. That's why it's so amazing that Texas got the deal that they did.

[Belvis Noland]

I don't know, ask the Big 10.  They are kicking ass and balls with theirs.  Our FSN contract wouldn't allow it anyway.

Gotcha.  Didn't know that. 

[sonofdaxjones]

If they could cut the BS, there's opportunity to have a very powerful, viable B12 without Missouri. 

Petro also talking about how Arkansas' winning % dropped 100 points after joining the SEC.

[MakeItRain]

Every single one of you talking about the basketball tournament have spent way too much time huffing spray paint in paper bags.

The conference tournament will still be played in Kansas City on a fairly regular basis.  Mizzou leaving, they won't, won't make KU, KSU, and ISU fans hate basketball more.  The methheads leaving also won't make Texans and Oklahomans care about college basketball more.  Furthermore, if the conference expands it will expand north and east making KC a centralized location within the conference geographical footprint.  You idiots are overselling Missouri's impact on attendance at the tournament.  The meltdown about this is more annoying than ew constantly mentioning Air rough ridin' Force and 'Zacker being off of his Paxil finding the in every bit of news or now-news he hears.

Wichita will not host the Big 12 tournament as long as the conference insists on having the men's & women's tournament in the same place, as obviously they don't have a second arena to host.  For the record the insistence of having both tournaments in the same place is really stupid and I wouldn't be surprised to see that practice end soon.

Hope you're right, but why would the league hold the tourney in a State that doesn't have a school in it?

I don't get that either.  Especially when OKC and Dallas are more than viable options.  You would have to disregard any idea of centralizing the tournament for BYU's sake.  And if UL and WVU were added, using MIR's reasoning, we'd have the tournament in Fayetteville because that would be "central" and who gives a sh*t about money going to the state where the conference doesn't have a school.

Jesus rough ridin' Christ there's a school 15 miles away, two schools within 100 miles, and three within 200.  Get a rough ridin' grip.  Why would they care if there is a school in the goddamn state of Missouri.  There's no school in Dallas, is there?  Local revenues are assisted by the tournaments not state revenues.  Stop trying so hard to be so rough ridin' gloomy.

[theKSU]

I think the basketball tournament will still rotate through KC.  I am just worried how much they'll want to put CCG in Arrowhead again. 

Also: LOL at Wichita.  Have you flown through ICT?  They have like 2 turboprop flights to Dallas every day.  (possibly exaggerating)

[sonofdaxjones]

In the "ifs and buts" department, it's a shame that KC isn't about 1-1.5 million more people, because it could support another large arena on the Kansas side.

Possibly out by the race track . . . I don't know.

[KITNfury]

If they could cut the BS, there's opportunity to have a very powerful, viable B12 without Missouri. 

Petro also talking about how Arkansas' winning % dropped 100 points after joining the SEC.

He's also rallying MU fans to go while they can (not that they need the help).

[Panjandrum]

Why would anybody vote to turn tier 2 into a Conference network? 

I don't know, ask the Big 10.  They are kicking ass and balls with theirs.  Our FSN contract wouldn't allow it anyway.

Tier 2 is where the inventory is.  SEC gets $55 million annually for Tier 1 programming.  They get $150 million for Tier 2 programming.

[Panjandrum]

I think the basketball tournament will still rotate through KC.  I am just worried how much they'll want to put CCG in Arrowhead again. 

Also: LOL at Wichita.  Have you flown through ICT?  They have like 2 turboprop flights to Dallas every day.  (possibly exaggerating)

Once the JerryDome was built, the Big 12 Title game in Arrowhead went bye bye forever, so no need to worry about that.

[sonofdaxjones]

Jerry World is the best place for the CCG, it clowns Arrowhead on every level from the perspective of hosting an event like that.

[TheHamburglar]

FYI, the BigTen does not own all of their Tier2 content as what we would consider Tier2.  In Big12 terms, Tier1 is over the air broadcast, such as ABC and Tier2 is cable, such as ESPN and FSN.  With the BigTen, they supply usually 3 games a week to ABC/ESPN.  If ABC shows 2 BigTen games, like last week, they show a 3rd on ESPN.  If ABC shows 1 BigTen game, like this week, they show 2 on ESPN/ESPN2.  The BTN shows the remaining.  Also, I don't believe ESPN usually gets 1st pick for that 3rd game. 

In Big12 terms, if we kept our Tier2, as defined now, a Big12 network would show every game except 16-18 ABC games a year.  What the BigTen has done is split their Tier2 in half and supply part of that to ABC/ESPN as part of that larger contract.  What the BigTen considers Tier 1 is much larger than what the Big12 considers Tier1.  To say that the BigTen owns all of their Tier2 content is very misleading considering that in the context in which the term "Tier2" is used between the two conferences is very different.

Also, the SEC defines their Tier 2 the same as we do, that's why they make so much money off their Tier2.  They consider the contract with ESPN to show 2-3 games a week on ESPN/ESPN2 as Tier 2.  The BigTen considers their contract to show 1-2 games a week on ESPN/ESPN2 as part of their larger Tier1 contract with ABC/ESPN.