Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....

[chum1]

http://www.mizzou2sec.com/

http://www.deatonschoice.com/

Links to a Bleacher Report article for their financial analysis.

 

Let's just ignore Gainesville and the other Columbia

Currently Mizzou's farthest conference trip is to Lubbock, about 796 miles. New longest trip is to Gainesville, about 1,008 miles.

Current shortest trip is to Lawrence, 165 miles. New shortest trip is to Fayetteville, about 312 miles.

so much for the "comparable travel" argument.

If you're going to do this, add up the totals for each conference, exclude the shortest and longest trips for SEC east teams, and include Provo in the Big 12.

[catzacker]

There is going to be a meeting this weekend between the remaining schools in the Big 12.  My guess is that they will essentially hammer everything out to the point where Missouri can take it all back to their BOC on Tuesday.  They'll have that meeting and then make a decision.

I would also guess, and this is just a hunch, that there will be some political pressure from Kansas City to preserve Missouri in the Big 12 because of the economic impact of losing Big 12 events in the city.

I still think it's highly unlikely they move.

I think they are leaving.  The last week has been about mu trying to figure out how they'll pay for making the move and coming up with a concise plan to present to their curators.  I mean, everyone except BITB thinks MU going to the SEC is what they should do.  I can't imagine large boosters/donors aren't falling in line with this thing.  Once that momentum is created, its very difficult to go back.  I simply cannot imagine the rioting that would occur if MU says they are staying.  There’s no way to save face.  Alden is tied to Pinkel. And PInkel wants out. 

[ArchE_Cat]

If you're going to do this, add up the totals for each conference, exclude the shortest and longest trips for SEC east teams, and include Provo in the Big 12.

Yeah but for me BYU = Do Not Want

[chum1]

If you're going to do this, add up the totals for each conference, exclude the shortest and longest trips for SEC east teams, and include Provo in the Big 12.

Yeah but for me BYU = Do Not Want

i hate to tell you this, but mizzou is not going to take that into account.

[fr@ck me]

There is going to be a meeting this weekend between the remaining schools in the Big 12.  My guess is that they will essentially hammer everything out to the point where Missouri can take it all back to their BOC on Tuesday.  They'll have that meeting and then make a decision.

I would also guess, and this is just a hunch, that there will be some political pressure from Kansas City to preserve Missouri in the Big 12 because of the economic impact of losing Big 12 events in the city.

I still think it's highly unlikely they move.

I think they are leaving.  The last week has been about mu trying to figure out how they'll pay for making the move and coming up with a concise plan to present to their curators.  I mean, everyone except BITB thinks MU going to the SEC is what they should do.  I can't imagine large boosters/donors aren't falling in line with this thing.  Once that momentum is created, its very difficult to go back.  I simply cannot imagine the rioting that would occur if MU says they are staying.  There’s no way to save face.  Alden is tied to Pinkel. And PInkel wants out. 

why does Pinkel want out?  he does average in an average conference, if he goes to the SEC he will be fired in 3 years after 2 consecutive last place finishes.

[ben ji]

There is going to be a meeting this weekend between the remaining schools in the Big 12.  My guess is that they will essentially hammer everything out to the point where Missouri can take it all back to their BOC on Tuesday.  They'll have that meeting and then make a decision.

I would also guess, and this is just a hunch, that there will be some political pressure from Kansas City to preserve Missouri in the Big 12 because of the economic impact of losing Big 12 events in the city.

I still think it's highly unlikely they move.

I think they are leaving.  The last week has been about mu trying to figure out how they'll pay for making the move and coming up with a concise plan to present to their curators.  I mean, everyone except BITB thinks MU going to the SEC is what they should do.  I can't imagine large boosters/donors aren't falling in line with this thing.  Once that momentum is created, its very difficult to go back.  I simply cannot imagine the rioting that would occur if MU says they are staying.  There’s no way to save face.  Alden is tied to Pinkel. And PInkel wants out. 

why does Pinkel want out?  he does average in an average conference, if he goes to the SEC he will be fired in 3 years after 2 consecutive last place finishes.

Big 12 is second hardest conference after SEC.

[michigancat]

The "Mizzou won't compete" talking point just reeks of tardishness.

[jtksu]

Lord knows Pinkel is competing in the Big 12.

[PurpleSleezyE]

The "Mizzou won't compete" talking point just reeks of tardishness.

Why?  What have they done in the last 10 years to make you think they could be better than an average team in the SEC?  

[SkinnyBenny]

The "Mizzou won't compete" talking point just reeks of tardishness.

Why?  What have they done in the last 10 years to make you think they could be better than an average team in the SEC?  

Agreed.  Not tardish at all.

[catzacker]

why does Pinkel want out?  he does average in an average conference, if he goes to the SEC he will be fired in 3 years after 2 consecutive last place finishes.

Pick the myriad of reasons that every MU fan has thrown out there.  Texas.  LHN.  Stability.  Money.  Prestige of playing in the best football conference. "we haven't won in the big 12, why would not winning in the SEC be any different?".   I didn't say it made sense.

[michigancat]

The "Mizzou won't compete" talking point just reeks of tardishness.

Why?  What have they done in the last 10 years to make you think they could be better than an average team in the SEC?  

I'm just saying they won't be significantly worse. They will either be in a division with both UK and Vandy or Ole Miss and Mississippi State. They are better than those programs already. Tennessee and Georgia are down. South Carolina and Arkansas are nothing special. They already compare favorably to aTm.

Yeah, they have a couple more OU/UT caliber programs to face, but if the money is there, the competition shouldn't scare them away.

[Lucas Scoopsalot]

The "Mizzou won't compete" talking point just reeks of tardishness.

Why?  What have they done in the last 10 years to make you think they could be better than an average team in the SEC?  

I like how when people think of the SEC they think "oh crap, every team in that league would kick the crap out of us." Their level of football is not that much higher than the Big 12's level of football. They are just a more well rounded league than us, even though we are proving every week the Big 12 is a force to be reckoned with.

[bakerman]

You can be the 6 or even 7th team in the SEC and still be ranked in the top 25...

[crack on cracka]

www.shaggybevo.com/board/showthread.php/97927-What-the-sh*t-is-going-on


 

[KITNfury]

Thing is, imo, MU has an outside chance to win the Big 12 on a given year even if they haven't yet. I give them a far less chance in the SEC. The SEC will always have at least 1 or 2 NC challengers per year if not more. The Big 12 often only has 1 or none.

[Panjandrum]

The "Mizzou won't compete" talking point just reeks of tardishness.

Why?  What have they done in the last 10 years to make you think they could be better than an average team in the SEC?  

I'm just saying they won't be significantly worse. They will either be in a division with both UK and Vandy or Ole Miss and Mississippi State. They are better than those programs already. Tennessee and Georgia are down. South Carolina and Arkansas are nothing special. They already compare favorably to aTm.

Yeah, they have a couple more OU/UT caliber programs to face, but if the money is there, the competition shouldn't scare them away.

I think the things that people are criticizing are assumptions made by Mizzou fans in terms of how they'll maintain or increase success in the SEC.  Instead of saying things like, "Well, we're on par with Kentucky, Vandy, Miss St., etc.," they're saying things like, "We''l start recruiting Georgia more.  We'll have more success in Texas.  We'll be on TV more."

All of those things are, mostly, wild assumptions that you can't prove at all, but people are accepting them as gospel.

Ultimately, and this is the same for all fan bases, Mizzou fans are overvaluing their place in the world and how easy it will be for them to have success.  I think the fact that Arkansas and South Carolina have never won a conference title tells you what you need to know about how difficult it will be to break into the hierarchy of successful SEC programs.

[catzacker]

The "Mizzou won't compete" talking point just reeks of tardishness.

Why?  What have they done in the last 10 years to make you think they could be better than an average team in the SEC? 

I'm just saying they won't be significantly worse. They will either be in a division with both UK and Vandy or Ole Miss and Mississippi State. They are better than those programs already. Tennessee and Georgia are down. South Carolina and Arkansas are nothing special. They already compare favorably to aTm.

Yeah, they have a couple more OU/UT caliber programs to face, but if the money is there, the competition shouldn't scare them away.

If the SEC is a better league then it stands to reason that MU won’t do as well.  And if MU has made its money recruiting the state of texas, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think that its recruiting could/might/will take a hit if it moves to the SEC.  Especially if we add TCU.  However, you would have to expect that if Gary got his way into Texas, he could/might/will make his way into Louisiana.  I’m not sure how you quantify all that into wins/losses.  My assumption would be that they would fall off into what they were when KSU and NU were winning the North.  They were a good program, but not truly competing for the division. 

[CNS]

RT @TheUpsetBlog Our sources confirm BYU has accepted offer to join the Big 12 in principle.

[michigancat]

The "Mizzou won't compete" talking point just reeks of tardishness.

Why?  What have they done in the last 10 years to make you think they could be better than an average team in the SEC? 

I'm just saying they won't be significantly worse. They will either be in a division with both UK and Vandy or Ole Miss and Mississippi State. They are better than those programs already. Tennessee and Georgia are down. South Carolina and Arkansas are nothing special. They already compare favorably to aTm.

Yeah, they have a couple more OU/UT caliber programs to face, but if the money is there, the competition shouldn't scare them away.

If the SEC is a better league then it stands to reason that MU won’t do as well.  And if MU has made its money recruiting the state of texas, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to think that its recruiting could/might/will take a hit if it moves to the SEC.  Especially if we add TCU.  However, you would have to expect that if Gary got his way into Texas, he could/might/will make his way into Louisiana.  I’m not sure how you quantify all that into wins/losses.  My assumption would be that they would fall off into what they were when KSU and NU were winning the North.  They were a good program, but not truly competing for the division. 

I don't entirely disagree. I just don't think "doing worse" in the SEC football standings necessarily equals "doing worse" for the program and university. 2nd or 3rd in a 7 team SEC west is about as good as 1st in the recent Big 12 North. And if the money is significantly better, more power to 'em.*

*I don't think the money is significantly better, so I think they stay, just like OU and UT.

[CNS]

SEC Network likely coming with ESPN as partner: bit.ly/nWiPHd

[MadCat]

http://www.footballrumormill.com/2011/09/29/report-byu-louisville-cincinnati-west-virginia-to-join-big-12/

Report: BYU, TCU, Louisville, Cincinnati, West Virginia to join Big 12

BearcatLair.com reports “there are still a lot of details to be worked out as it relates to divisional breakouts, when new league would start play, etc.,” but the Big 12 appears to be moving toward 14 teams. The report says BYU, TCU, Louisville, Cincinnati and West Virginia would join current Big 12 members.

References a premium site though.  

[CNS]

http://www.footballrumormill.com/2011/09/29/report-byu-louisville-cincinnati-west-virginia-to-join-big-12/

Report: BYU, TCU, Louisville, Cincinnati, West Virginia to join Big 12

BearcatLair.com reports “there are still a lot of details to be worked out as it relates to divisional breakouts, when new league would start play, etc.,” but the Big 12 appears to be moving toward 14 teams. The report says BYU, TCU, Louisville, Cincinnati and West Virginia would join current Big 12 members.

References a premium site though.  

More like BearcatLiar.com....  Pfft

[Panjandrum]

SEC Network likely coming with ESPN as partner: bit.ly/nWiPHd

God, I am so sick of Clay Travis.

ESPN says that they will not change their deal.  But Clay Travis says they will, so, it's gonna happen.

[mcmwcat]

if Big 12 goes 14 with Mizzou staying and adding BYU, TCU, WV, UL, & UC that means we are utlimately forcing SEC to go after an ACC team to get to 14 or force SEC to go for Houston or USF.