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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #14725 on: September 28, 2011, 04:44:53 PM »
Clay Travis believes that pretty much every school in the SEC can have it's own "Longhorn Network" that's worth roughly $12 million a year.

12*14 = 168

Uh, no?

A Mississippi State football game is worth, roughly, the same as a UT game?  In what bizzaro universe does this exist?

The plan DeArmond kicks around, truly, is an SEC Network solely created to broadcast Tier 3 rights.  He truly believes that a pool of Tier 3 rights in the SEC is worth $56 million a year more than Tier 2 rights in the Big Ten.

I don't even have a word for this level of stupid.

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And if Texas is worth $15 million a year for one -- and potentially two -- football games, what are 14 SEC football games in eleven different states worth? You can make an argument that every school, at minimum, would be worth $12 million a year. (If I was the SEC I'd make the argument that it's actually worth much more than this). But $12 million per school would bring in an additional $168 million a year just off the tier three rights.   

http://outkickthecoverage.com/sec-expansion-to-14-goal-its-own-network.php

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« Reply #14726 on: September 28, 2011, 04:48:38 PM »
You don't know if say if the Fox contract doesn't have the ability to amended if the Big 12 adds teams. 

If the Big 12 adds the right schools the Tier 1 rights next time will be very lucrative.



I'm putting them up for bid, and I tell NBC/Comcast to come and get them.

You want football?  Bring it on.  We'll be the only major conference you can get your grubby little hands on.

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« Reply #14727 on: September 28, 2011, 04:53:25 PM »
You don't know if say if the Fox contract doesn't have the ability to amended if the Big 12 adds teams. 

If the Big 12 adds the right schools the Tier 1 rights next time will be very lucrative.



I'm putting them up for bid, and I tell NBC/Comcast to come and get them.

You want football?  Bring it on.  We'll be the only major conference you can get your grubby little hands on.

Notre Dame's NBC?

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« Reply #14728 on: September 28, 2011, 05:00:59 PM »
You don't know if say if the Fox contract doesn't have the ability to amended if the Big 12 adds teams. 

If the Big 12 adds the right schools the Tier 1 rights next time will be very lucrative.



I'm putting them up for bid, and I tell NBC/Comcast to come and get them.

You want football?  Bring it on.  We'll be the only major conference you can get your grubby little hands on.

Notre Dame's NBC?

Yep.

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« Reply #14729 on: September 28, 2011, 06:07:06 PM »
@FootballBYU Good inside sources confirm BYU AD staff have been in Texas the past two days and are still there today... #Big12 #expansion

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« Reply #14730 on: September 28, 2011, 06:36:09 PM »
I always assumed that, but I don't think that will be the case.  The money comes in Tier 2 revenue, which is where the networks reside.  We all jumped up and down when the Fox deal came to fruition, but we got short changed big time.  We're making $22 million less, annually, in Tier 2 revenue than the Big Ten, and $60 million less than the SEC because we don't have anything that resembles a "network".

Tier 1 money is kind of chump change.  We've got the second highest annual total there already.  Even if we got a billion dollar deal like the Big Ten has, we're only competitive with the SEC because our Tier 2 revenues are so low.

Here's the thing: We need to figure something out on the Tier 2 side of things.  The only school that is going to get rich in this league is Texas.  I really should have cranked out the numbers before now, but crap, we're toast if we don't figure something out there.  The Fox deal actually sucks.

I'm completely not following you with this.  Prior to this spring, our Tier 1 rights were worth roughly 3.0x our Tier 2 rights.  (Current ABC contract is $60 mil/yr, old FSN contract was $19.5 mil/yr).

Why does the same formula not still hold true?  New Tier 2 rights are worth $90 mil/yr.  If the formula is accurate, wouldn't the Tier 1 rights be worth $270 million when we renegotiate in the spring of 2015?

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« Reply #14731 on: September 28, 2011, 06:50:47 PM »
No, dumbass. crap changes.

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« Reply #14732 on: September 28, 2011, 07:04:33 PM »
I always assumed that, but I don't think that will be the case.  The money comes in Tier 2 revenue, which is where the networks reside.  We all jumped up and down when the Fox deal came to fruition, but we got short changed big time.  We're making $22 million less, annually, in Tier 2 revenue than the Big Ten, and $60 million less than the SEC because we don't have anything that resembles a "network".

Tier 1 money is kind of chump change.  We've got the second highest annual total there already.  Even if we got a billion dollar deal like the Big Ten has, we're only competitive with the SEC because our Tier 2 revenues are so low.

Here's the thing: We need to figure something out on the Tier 2 side of things.  The only school that is going to get rich in this league is Texas.  I really should have cranked out the numbers before now, but crap, we're toast if we don't figure something out there.  The Fox deal actually sucks.

Thinking about it some more, isn't the solution going to simply be: add some more members?

The ABC contract is for 18 football games per year, while the new Fox contract is for at least 40 football games per year.  That means we need to provide our TV partners with at least 58 football games per year.

In a 10-member league, each school plays 9 conference games and 3 noncon games.  That equates to 45 total conference games and 30 total noncon games.  From that, you have to assume that each school will play one road game in the noncon, so subtract 10 from our pool of total noncon games.  The Big 12 also allows each school to retain the rights to one home football game for broadcast on their own Tier 3 platform, so subtract 10 more games from our pool.  (45 conf games + 30 noncon games = 75 total games minus 10 road noncon games minus 10 3rd tier games = 55 games available for the TV partners.  Since we're on the hook for at least 58, we'll have to hope that some schools elect not to retain a game for broadcast on a 3rd tier network or don't play a road game in non-conference play.  Basically, our entire inventory is tied up in the 1st and 2nd tier contracts.  If the schools not named Texas or Oklahoma pool their 3rd tier rights to form a network, we'll have a maximum of 8 football games to put on that network.  That would be a big fat failure.

If we expand to 12, we solve that problem.  In a 12-member league, each school plays 8 conference games and 4 noncon games.  That equates to 48 total conference games and 48 total nonconference games, plus 1 conf champ game.  That puts our total inventory at 97 games.  As before, assume each school plays one road noncon games (subtract 12 from our total).  That leaves us with 85 games for our TV partners.  After they select the 58 games they want to broadcast, the remaining 27 games are available for broadcast on a 3rd tier network(s).  Texas would keep their 3rd tier game for the LHN; ditto the Sooners if they start a network.  The rest of UT's and OU's games will almost certainly be selected by the 1st or 2nd tier partners.  That leaves the other 10 members with 25 football games to broadcast on a "Big 12 Network".  That's enough inventory to give us a couple of games per week throughout the football season, which could make the network viable.  How lucrative it would be, I have no idea, but the only way to make a 3rd Tier contract be possible is to expand to 12.

Or, it's possible that if we expand to 12, the Fox contract will grow to include 50 games or 60 games, instead of the 40 games they're currently under contract for.  Add an extra 25% or 50% to the Fox inventory, and that contract will have to grow accordingly.

Either way, I think the money is there if we expand AND if the expansion includes the right schools.  I'm looking at BYU, Louisville and ??? when I say "the right schools".

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #14733 on: September 28, 2011, 07:07:25 PM »
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Neinas on his Sat comment about sentiment against further B12 expansion into TX: "I'd say that's changed." That could be a good sign for TCU
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Chuck Carlton Big 12 interim commissioner Chuck Neinas said there hasn't been any unanimity from member schools on a number to target in expansion.

 
 
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Vahe Gregorian And compares SEC to "pretty girl" walking by, suggests need to stay with one who is "tried and true and you know is going to be there."


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« Reply #14734 on: September 28, 2011, 07:12:56 PM »
Neinas probably has a bunch of really cool stories about trains and bridges.  Him and Snyds could probably get into a who can eat the most Werther's Originals in 1 minute contest at the drop of a wooden nickel.

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« Reply #14735 on: September 28, 2011, 07:16:06 PM »
Neinas probably has a bunch of really cool stories about trains and bridges.  Him and Snyds could probably get into a who can eat the most Werther's Originals in 1 minute contest at the drop of a wooden nickel.

yeah, and maybe they will beat badass team like miami on the road.  :jerk:

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« Reply #14736 on: September 28, 2011, 07:19:09 PM »
Neinas probably has a bunch of really cool stories about trains and bridges.  Him and Snyds could probably get into a who can eat the most Werther's Originals in 1 minute contest at the drop of a wooden nickel.

yeah, and maybe they will beat badass team like miami on the road.  :jerk:

Neinas?  or MU?

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« Reply #14737 on: September 28, 2011, 07:20:00 PM »
having an interim guy may have not been a good idea.  "hey, i may not be in this for the long haul but you should be."

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« Reply #14738 on: September 28, 2011, 07:30:16 PM »
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having an interim guy may have not been a good idea.  "hey, i may not be in this for the long haul but you should be."

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« Reply #14739 on: September 28, 2011, 07:41:06 PM »
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having an interim guy may have not been a good idea.  "hey, i may not be in this for the long haul but you should be."
Apples to oranges, CZ.  Appels. To. Oranges.


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« Reply #14740 on: September 28, 2011, 07:45:57 PM »
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having an interim guy may have not been a good idea.  "hey, i may not be in this for the long haul but you should be."
Apples to oranges, CZ.  Appels. To. Oranges.

Peaches to nectarines, imo.

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« Reply #14741 on: September 28, 2011, 08:01:29 PM »
Naw I think having a CN is probably a good thing, because he knows damn near everybody.


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« Reply #14742 on: September 28, 2011, 08:06:49 PM »
Naw I think having a CN is probably a good thing, because he knows damn near everybody.



so does my grandpa.  that's what happens when you're 90 years old, there really aren't too many people you don't know. 

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« Reply #14743 on: September 28, 2011, 08:08:36 PM »
come on Shultzy  :emawkid:


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RT @ChipBrownOB: Chuck Neinas said Mizzou chancellor Brady Deaton is no longer chairing Big 12 Board of Directors (K-State's president is).

also, further indication that MU is leaving.

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« Reply #14744 on: September 28, 2011, 08:14:21 PM »
come on Shultzy  :emawkid:


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RT @ChipBrownOB: Chuck Neinas said Mizzou chancellor Brady Deaton is no longer chairing Big 12 Board of Directors (K-State's president is).

also, further indication that MU is leaving.

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CORRECTION-Mizzou chancellor Brady Deaton no longer chairing B12's 5-member expansion committee. He is still chair of B12 Board of Directors
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« Reply #14745 on: September 28, 2011, 08:17:33 PM »
yes, but Shultzy is Big Boss Man of the expansion committee.   :driving:

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Ooops. Meant to say Neinas said Mizzou chancellor Brady Deaton no longer chairing 5-member expansion committee in B12. K-State's prez is.

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« Reply #14746 on: September 28, 2011, 08:23:30 PM »
Naw I think having a CN is probably a good thing, because he knows damn near everybody.



so does my grandpa.  that's what happens when you're 90 years old, there really aren't too many people you don't know. 

CN has been working with nearly every athletic department in the country over the past few years, your grandpa is lamenting the downward spiral of the chicken pot pie at the diner.


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« Reply #14747 on: September 28, 2011, 08:24:46 PM »
Ozark State-Columbia is gone . . . bring on the Mormons and the Cardinals.


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« Reply #14748 on: September 28, 2011, 08:26:40 PM »
come on Shultzy  :emawkid:


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RT @ChipBrownOB: Chuck Neinas said Mizzou chancellor Brady Deaton is no longer chairing Big 12 Board of Directors (K-State's president is).

also, further indication that MU is leaving.

Further evidence to use to sue.

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« Reply #14749 on: September 28, 2011, 08:32:19 PM »
Land Stealers keeps saying he thinks BYU is out since they just agreed to a 12 year deal with Boise St. 

http://voices.idahostatesman.com/2011/09/28/bmurphy/boise_state_interim_ad_addresses_big_12_reports