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« Reply #12350 on: September 18, 2011, 09:05:33 PM »
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Realignment update after getting some feedback from those who know: Pump the brakes on Tex/Pac-12. Might happen. Not imminent.
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« Reply #12351 on: September 18, 2011, 09:06:34 PM »
Pat, we need you now more than ever.

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« Reply #12352 on: September 18, 2011, 09:07:12 PM »
@Andy_Staples Andy Staples
Realignment update after getting some feedback from those who know: Pump the brakes on Tex/Pac-12. Might happen. Not imminent.
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« Reply #12353 on: September 18, 2011, 09:07:22 PM »
I've always respected hardcore fans of college teams who aren't relevant, and especially of teams who aren't in a relevant conference. Remember TheTastyGreek? What a great guy/fan. It will be great to see if I can live up to the challenge.

It really sucks when you aren't good. Really, really sucks.

Is this in reference to your stint as a Texas State fan or as a KU fan?

I mean, I'll root for them until China takes us over and makes us start playing soccer, but when you lose, nobody cares or notices. When you win, you get one headline in the Austin American-Statesman. If you win a lot, you'll get a nice little column in the local news. If you make the 1-aa playoffs or a bowl, you might get 30 seconds on Sportscenter (BEST case scenario). If the WAC breaks up from all this (and I don't see how they don't), Texas State could very well go back down to 1-aa unless the Sun Belt takes them, and nobody gives two shits about the Sun Belt.

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« Reply #12354 on: September 18, 2011, 09:09:16 PM »
What are the realistic options we have left?

Is the Big 12-as-we-know-it destroyed? What super conferences have spots left? Do those conferences even want to go to 16?

It think the best shot people have been throwing around is KU/KSU/MU to SEC.

I mean, if you really think about it, the SEC has, like, really crappy options if they don't move fast.  Really bad.  Cincy/Louisville/Baylor bad.

The ACC locking down has really screwed them.  Hard.
I bet Louisville is making the same joke about us right now

Maybe.  But they share a state with a current member, they're below us on the list of US News rankings (if those things matter, but they probably don't), and they've only been BCS for about five or six years.  They have no ties with anyone or anyone to really lobby for them.

I'd be really surprised if KU/KSU/MU aren't lobbying hard for one another.  I may be alone in that thought, but I think there is a lot of sentiment between the three schools that they don't want to split.

I don't think MU gives two shits about us and I bet they only care about KU from standing to lose money by not playing them. They'd fire off a host of nukes into the state of Kansas if it meant they'd get a Big Ten or SEC invite.

It makes their life a lot easier if they care about us.  Our BOR will not be as easy to crack as people think it will.  They will put up a fight.

If the ACC and Pac are full, MU is clearly the most attractive team for the Big 10 and SEC (aside from ND). Both conferences will want MU if they are at all serious about 16, and MU could have the leverage to bring two more along, particularly to the SEC. And it would likely be in their best interest.

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« Reply #12355 on: September 18, 2011, 09:09:50 PM »
lol at you retards thinking the big is going to expand to 16.

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« Reply #12356 on: September 18, 2011, 09:10:38 PM »
Source: Texas, OU in active Pac-12 talks

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The ACC might not be the only big-name conference adding schools in the near future.

Pac-12 officials are engaged in "active discussions" with Texas and Oklahoma about how to make the Big 12 schools' addition to the conference work, a source within the Big 12 confirmed to ESPN.com's Joe Schad.

Another source confirmed to Schad on Sunday night that Texas president Bill Powers met with Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott in Los Angeles this weekend. Texas officials traveled to California to watch the Longhorns game against UCLA.

Earlier, The Austin American-Statesman reported the Pac-12 was working out final details to add Texas and Oklahoma to the conference, along with fellow Big 12 schools Oklahoma State and Texas Tech. The Statesman cited a source close to the situation that stressed the deal is not yet complete, but that talks were "heating up."

A source told ESPN.com's Andy Katz the move to add Texas, Texas Tech, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State still has a long way to go before the Pac-12 leadership would be comfortable recommending it to the league's presidents, who have made it clear to the league's leadership that they don't want to expand beyond 12 at this point.

The proposed deal would allow Texas to keep ESPN's Longhorn Network, though The Statesman reports the network would have to add other Pac-12 programming to the network.

The new Longhorn Network, a 24-hour showcase for Texas athletics, has caused several Big 12 members to worry it gives the Longhorns too much power and influence, especially in the areas of exposure and recruiting.

"This is not yet a done deal," a source familiar with the discussions told The Statesman, saying nothing had been definitively confirmed. "It appears that Scott is going to be able to work some magic and help Texas keep the Longhorn Network and their revenue stream."

ESPN, which operates the Longhorn Network, had no comment.

The University of Texas regents are set to meet Monday to discuss the future of the Big 12. The meeting will come on the same day that University of Oklahoma regents are meeting on the topic of conference affiliation.

A source close to the Oklahoma athletic department told SoonerNation's Jake Trotter it's expected that the Oklahoma board of regents will vote Monday to authorize president David Boren to take action regarding conference realignment.

The source said Pittsburgh was one of the Big 12's top options as a replacement for Texas A&M, and that when Pitt announced it was going to the ACC, it "clobbered everything" regarding the Big 12's future.

Another source close to the situation told The Statesman it's expected the Texas board, like Oklahoma, will vote Monday to authorize Powers to make a decision regarding realignment.

A source told Katz the Pac-12 wouldn't be surprised if the board of regents suggested an application to the conference from Texas and Oklahoma Monday, but "it ain't getting done anytime soon."

Information from ESPN.com college football reporter Joe Schad, ESPN.com senior college basketball writer Andy Katz, SoonerNation's Jake Trotter and The Associated Press was used in this report.

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« Reply #12357 on: September 18, 2011, 09:11:46 PM »
yep, espn a week or two late as usual. can't believe people still consider them the foremost authority in sports news.

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« Reply #12358 on: September 18, 2011, 09:12:03 PM »
What are the realistic options we have left?

Is the Big 12-as-we-know-it destroyed? What super conferences have spots left? Do those conferences even want to go to 16?

It think the best shot people have been throwing around is KU/KSU/MU to SEC.

I mean, if you really think about it, the SEC has, like, really crappy options if they don't move fast.  Really bad.  Cincy/Louisville/Baylor bad.

The ACC locking down has really screwed them.  Hard.
I bet Louisville is making the same joke about us right now

Maybe.  But they share a state with a current member, they're below us on the list of US News rankings (if those things matter, but they probably don't), and they've only been BCS for about five or six years.  They have no ties with anyone or anyone to really lobby for them.

I'd be really surprised if KU/KSU/MU aren't lobbying hard for one another.  I may be alone in that thought, but I think there is a lot of sentiment between the three schools that they don't want to split.

I don't think MU gives two shits about us and I bet they only care about KU from standing to lose money by not playing them. They'd fire off a host of nukes into the state of Kansas if it meant they'd get a Big Ten or SEC invite.

It makes their life a lot easier if they care about us.  Our BOR will not be as easy to crack as people think it will.  They will put up a fight.

If the ACC and Pac are full, MU is clearly the most attractive team for the Big 10 and SEC (aside from ND). Both conferences will want MU if they are at all serious about 16, and MU could have the leverage to bring two more along, particularly to the SEC. And it would likely be in their best interest.

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« Reply #12359 on: September 18, 2011, 09:12:37 PM »
Can we stop posting ESPN crap?  They are always like 3 days behind everyone else.

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« Reply #12360 on: September 18, 2011, 09:14:32 PM »

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ESPN, which operates the Longhorn Network, had no comment.


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« Reply #12361 on: September 18, 2011, 09:14:52 PM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/sports/ncaafootball/19pac12.html?_r=1&ref=sports

Link to the NY Times article.  Pac is not done deal yet.  Majority of Presidents don't want to expand?

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« Reply #12362 on: September 18, 2011, 09:16:42 PM »
yep, espn a week or two late as usual. can't believe people still consider them the foremost authority in sports news.
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« Reply #12363 on: September 18, 2011, 09:19:10 PM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/sports/ncaafootball/19pac12.html?_r=1&ref=sports

Link to the NY Times article.  Pac is not done deal yet.  Majority of Presidents don't want to expand?

There are a lot of good reasons why they wouldn't want to. I posted it a LONG time ago in this thread, but don't forget that they had all kinds of restrictions on start times and days their basketball teams could play because of academic concerns.  And it hurt their TV contracts. Maybe they won't be like that any more, though. The extra money from UT/OU may not be worth it to those guys.

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« Reply #12364 on: September 18, 2011, 09:22:36 PM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/sports/ncaafootball/19pac12.html?_r=1&ref=sports

Link to the NY Times article.  Pac is not done deal yet.  Majority of Presidents don't want to expand?

There are a lot of good reasons why they wouldn't want to.

Yeah.

-On top of having to deal with flights to Denver and Salt Lake, the cost of sending non-revenue sports to Austin, Lubbock, and OKC will be horrendous.

-The logistics of scheduling (as previously mentioned) will be a massive clusterfuck

-The academics of OSU and Tech will get laughed out of any Cali ivory tower, and Oregon and Washington will look down on them too. Tech will at least get funding to be Tier 1 here in a few years, but the Pac schools won't be impressed.

-Do you think anyone from California actually wants to travel to Norman, Oklahoma, for anything? They might as well just go to Fresno if they want that experience.

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« Reply #12365 on: September 18, 2011, 09:22:50 PM »
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/09/19/sports/ncaafootball/19pac12.html?_r=1&ref=sports

Link to the NY Times article.  Pac is not done deal yet.  Majority of Presidents don't want to expand?

There are a lot of good reasons why they wouldn't want to. I posted it a LONG time ago in this thread, but don't forget that they had all kinds of restrictions on start times and days their basketball teams could play because of academic concerns.  And it hurt their TV contracts. Maybe they won't be like that any more, though. The extra money from UT/OU may not be worth it to those guys.

That was kind of what I was thinking originally but there was a lot of smoke that this was all but a done deal.  Hope the Pac tells them to f-off and we can get back to being the Big 12.

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« Reply #12366 on: September 18, 2011, 09:24:23 PM »
How the playoff will work:

Each super conf will have 4 pods.

The winner of each pod will get the invite, 4x4 =16.



Maybe you've explained this because I'm having a hard time keeping up with this thread.  Please reconcile UPs and ADs all of a sudden wanting a playoff when they were gung ho the current bowl system like yesterday.  They go from not approving a +1 to a 16 team playoff?  Four 16 team conferences changes literally nothing as it relates to the current set up and a playoff system.  There are like 67 current BCS schools as opposed to the 64 in the model you say they want.

Not sure what you mean.  With that above setup it creates a simple pool play with a clear winner and than you get a clear set of teams to be playoff contenders.  You would include the most favorable teams to be in a tourney (sorry BSU/TCU) and create a clear system instead of relying on bowl tie ins or politics to set matches.

I believe UPs and ADs want what ever gives them more money.  Super conferences clearly provide that.

Yeah its pretty clear you didn't know what I meant.  There has always been more money in a playoff, that didn't change last week.  There has always been the possibility of having a playoff that excludes BSU/TCU.  Certainly you're familiar with the acronyms BCS, AQ, non-AQ?  Four sixteen team conferences doesn't change the reasons UPs and ADs give for not having a playoff; time out of class, the tradition and meaning of bowl season.  It also doesn't change the real reason we know why ADs and UPs want the current bowl system in place, bowls greasing the palms of ADs with gifts, trips, and cash.

The only difference between what Chingon proposed and what they have rejected for years is about half a dozen schools.

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« Reply #12367 on: September 18, 2011, 09:28:05 PM »
I can see the pac12 presidents saying they'll only take OU and Texas.  There is no reason why they have to take oSu and Tech, they aren't that desperate.

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« Reply #12368 on: September 18, 2011, 09:28:29 PM »
This Currie quote got posted a long time ago, but I'm taking it as confirmation that he'll stealth bbs'n in this thread all day tomorrow.

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« Reply #12369 on: September 18, 2011, 09:30:50 PM »
How the playoff will work:

Each super conf will have 4 pods.

The winner of each pod will get the invite, 4x4 =16.



Maybe you've explained this because I'm having a hard time keeping up with this thread.  Please reconcile UPs and ADs all of a sudden wanting a playoff when they were gung ho the current bowl system like yesterday.  They go from not approving a +1 to a 16 team playoff?  Four 16 team conferences changes literally nothing as it relates to the current set up and a playoff system.  There are like 67 current BCS schools as opposed to the 64 in the model you say they want.

Not sure what you mean.  With that above setup it creates a simple pool play with a clear winner and than you get a clear set of teams to be playoff contenders.  You would include the most favorable teams to be in a tourney (sorry BSU/TCU) and create a clear system instead of relying on bowl tie ins or politics to set matches.

I believe UPs and ADs want what ever gives them more money.  Super conferences clearly provide that.

Yeah its pretty clear you didn't know what I meant.  There has always been more money in a playoff, that didn't change last week.  There has always been the possibility of having a playoff that excludes BSU/TCU.  Certainly you're familiar with the acronyms BCS, AQ, non-AQ?  Four sixteen team conferences doesn't change the reasons UPs and ADs give for not having a playoff; time out of class, the tradition and meaning of bowl season.  It also doesn't change the real reason we know why ADs and UPs want the current bowl system in place, bowls greasing the palms of ADs with gifts, trips, and cash.

The only difference between what Chingon proposed and what they have rejected for years is about half a dozen schools.

Note sure what you mean because you completely missed the point of the pod play off system which could evolve from super conferences.  You keep thinking of this in the old system paradigm which is what UPs and ADs half heartily rejected because of money.  Its laughable at best to include academics and campus life when talking about the myth of the student athlete and big time football.  The real answer was with the old status quo money didn't change enough to make it worth the headache.  Now with schools getting independent channels, super conferences with multi billion dollar TV deals on the horizon it is clear that ADs just want to land in big money conferences.  Its an entirely new paradigm to get use to.  
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« Reply #12370 on: September 18, 2011, 09:33:24 PM »
How the playoff will work:

Each super conf will have 4 pods.

The winner of each pod will get the invite, 4x4 =16.



Maybe you've explained this because I'm having a hard time keeping up with this thread.  Please reconcile UPs and ADs all of a sudden wanting a playoff when they were gung ho the current bowl system like yesterday.  They go from not approving a +1 to a 16 team playoff?  Four 16 team conferences changes literally nothing as it relates to the current set up and a playoff system.  There are like 67 current BCS schools as opposed to the 64 in the model you say they want.

Not sure what you mean.  With that above setup it creates a simple pool play with a clear winner and than you get a clear set of teams to be playoff contenders.  You would include the most favorable teams to be in a tourney (sorry BSU/TCU) and create a clear system instead of relying on bowl tie ins or politics to set matches.

I believe UPs and ADs want what ever gives them more money.  Super conferences clearly provide that.

Yeah its pretty clear you didn't know what I meant.  There has always been more money in a playoff, that didn't change last week.  There has always been the possibility of having a playoff that excludes BSU/TCU.  Certainly you're familiar with the acronyms BCS, AQ, non-AQ?  Four sixteen team conferences doesn't change the reasons UPs and ADs give for not having a playoff; time out of class, the tradition and meaning of bowl season.  It also doesn't change the real reason we know why ADs and UPs want the current bowl system in place, bowls greasing the palms of ADs with gifts, trips, and cash.

The only difference between what Chingon proposed and what they have rejected for years is about half a dozen schools.

Note sure what you mean because you completely missed the point of the pod play off system which could evolve from super conferences.  You keep thinking of this in the old system paradigm which is what UPs and ADs half heartily rejected because of money.  Its laughable at best to include academics and campus life when talking about the myth of the student athlete and big time football.  The real answer was with the old status quo money didn't change enough to make it worth the headache.  Now with schools getting independent channels, super conferences with multi billion dollar TV deals on the horizon it is clear that ADs just want to land in big money conferences.  Its an entirely new paradigm to get use to.  

How is the pod playoff system superior to the system Division 2 and Division 1-AA teams use, where they just put the best teams in the playoffs?

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« Reply #12371 on: September 18, 2011, 09:35:50 PM »
How the playoff will work:

Each super conf will have 4 pods.

The winner of each pod will get the invite, 4x4 =16.



Maybe you've explained this because I'm having a hard time keeping up with this thread.  Please reconcile UPs and ADs all of a sudden wanting a playoff when they were gung ho the current bowl system like yesterday.  They go from not approving a +1 to a 16 team playoff?  Four 16 team conferences changes literally nothing as it relates to the current set up and a playoff system.  There are like 67 current BCS schools as opposed to the 64 in the model you say they want.

Not sure what you mean.  With that above setup it creates a simple pool play with a clear winner and than you get a clear set of teams to be playoff contenders.  You would include the most favorable teams to be in a tourney (sorry BSU/TCU) and create a clear system instead of relying on bowl tie ins or politics to set matches.

I believe UPs and ADs want what ever gives them more money.  Super conferences clearly provide that.

Yeah its pretty clear you didn't know what I meant.  There has always been more money in a playoff, that didn't change last week.  There has always been the possibility of having a playoff that excludes BSU/TCU.  Certainly you're familiar with the acronyms BCS, AQ, non-AQ?  Four sixteen team conferences doesn't change the reasons UPs and ADs give for not having a playoff; time out of class, the tradition and meaning of bowl season.  It also doesn't change the real reason we know why ADs and UPs want the current bowl system in place, bowls greasing the palms of ADs with gifts, trips, and cash.

The only difference between what Chingon proposed and what they have rejected for years is about half a dozen schools.

Note sure what you mean because you completely missed the point of the pod play off system which could evolve from super conferences.  You keep thinking of this in the old system paradigm which is what UPs and ADs half heartily rejected because of money.  Its laughable at best to include academics and campus life when talking about the myth of the student athlete and big time football.  The real answer was with the old status quo money didn't change enough to make it worth the headache.  Now with schools getting independent channels, super conferences with multi billion dollar TV deals on the horizon it is clear that ADs just want to land in big money conferences.  Its an entirely new paradigm to get use to.  

How is the pod playoff system superior to the system Division 2 and Division 1-AA teams use, where they just put the best teams in the playoffs?

wouldn't say its better.  It would be cleaner for the power football schools to negotiate a season and get the upper echelon teams into the playoffs with less risk of getting sniped by a lesser team.  I don't know if its better, but it would be better for the consistent conference winners.
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« Reply #12372 on: September 18, 2011, 09:36:13 PM »
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« Reply #12373 on: September 18, 2011, 09:38:11 PM »
If Sirr Parker is never born are we in this same mess?

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« Reply #12374 on: September 18, 2011, 09:38:49 PM »
If Sirr Parker is never born are we in this same mess?
Is K-State still located in Kansas?