Author Topic: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....  (Read 4978374 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

Offline Dr Rick Daris

  • Global Moderator
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • *****
  • Posts: 23381
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #12000 on: September 18, 2011, 03:02:33 PM »
"We will approach this -- no matter what the change is -- with that as our goal," Swarbrick said of football independence. "We'll see whether we can manage our circumstances to meet that goal.

"It felt like maybe things were about to settle down a little bit. I think the Pac-12 was pretty intent on staying where it was. If that were true, the Big 12 had a chance to hold. This was a little bit of a surprise."



http://articles.southbendtribune.com/2011-09-17/news/30171068_1_football-independence-irish-athletic-director-brian-kelly


 :goodbyecruelworld:

Offline Trim

  • Global Moderator
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • *****
  • Posts: 42624
  • Pfizer PLUS Moderna and now Pfizer Bivalent
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #12001 on: September 18, 2011, 03:04:24 PM »
Olive Garden is so 2010.

Quote
kstate_1stlady Wow! Kirk's bag arrived! Glad he'll have clean clothes! Great group of K-Staters on trip! Tour of old fashion windmill & cheese making

 :cheese:

Offline Creepy Cat

  • Fan
  • *
  • Posts: 41
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #12002 on: September 18, 2011, 03:04:44 PM »
Tim Fitzgerald, commentary
GoPowercat.com Publisher

Talk about it in Wabash Station
Monday may well be doomsday for the Big 12 Conference, if not college athletics as we know it. Left dangling in a cloud of uncertainty are universities such as Kansas State, but no matter what happens Monday, it finally marks the beginning of a phase of key choices for the leaders of K-State and its athletic department.

When the University of Texas and University of Oklahoma Boards of Reagents meet Monday, they will help decide each of their schools conference affiliations for years to come. Will these schools head to the Pac-12 Conference or choose to stay in the Big 12? Those decisions, whether Oklahoma goes westward (with little brother Oklahoma State skipping behind in tow) with or without Texas (and its lucky cousin Texas Tech) will be the next dominoes to fall or stand in this tiresome game of conference realignment.

If Texas does depart the Big 12, it will almost certainly abandon its Longhorn Network, admitting that it was a failure, and entering into the Pac 12's convoluted TV package.

The Longhorn Network has been the very sticking point for schools such as Texas A&M, which still plans to head to the SEC, and Oklahoma. They are the very financial kingpins who helped set up rules in the Big 12 that created uneven television revenue sharing. Now they are upset because Texas has more. The irony is rich and painted in greed.

Greed, after all, is what this is all about. Texas was given a 15-year, $300 million contract by ESPN for rights to the Longhorn Network. It appears to be a giant miscalculation by UT and ESPN. Signal carriers are simply not willing to pay the bill on that contract.

The question that hovers over this seems obvious to everyone except, sadly, the people making the decisions in this matter.

If Texas is willing to give up the Longhorn Network to move to the Pac-16, why wouldn't Texas give up the Longhorn Network in its current state to help save the Big 12?

   
Jonathan Knight
Kansas State athletics may soon enter a new world with conference realignment.
If Texas will make that concession -- evolving LHN into a Big 12 Network -- then the Big 12, at least in some form, will survive. That decision would likely keep the Oklahoma schools in the fold and may even bring A&M to its senses, although that school's academic leaders seem too busy learning all of the fight songs of their new SEC brethren to bother with what's best for their fans, athletes and A&M's athletic future.

The news for K-State, though, is no matter what is decided in boardrooms in Oklahoma and Texas, K-State's leaders will finally be facing some choices. For a school that hasn't held many cards so far in this rush to realignment, at least that sliver of control is comforting.

The problem is, the choices may not be great, but at least they are choices.

There are so many possible paths, spelling out all of the alternatives is dizzying. Down to 10 schools at the start of this athletic season, the more schools out of the Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech grouping that the Big 12 can keep a grip on, the better for K-State and the others left behind.

No matter what, the 10-school bill of goods sold to the members and the conference's fans by commissioner Dan Beebe is not survivable. This conference needs to get to 12, if not 16 schools, as soon as possible. That can likely only happen by hitting the reset button with a reformed conference that includes new leadership and likely a new name.

With the ACC's announcement of Pittsburgh and Syracuse as new members -- it sounds as if UConn and Rutgers will likely follow their fellow Big East members into a new 16-school ACC -- that likely means the Big East, at least as a football conference, is the first loser in conference realignment Armageddon.

That leaves Big East members Louisville, Cincinnati, West Virginia, South Florida and pending member TCU without a viable football home. West Virginia apparently tops the SEC's wish list as the 14th member to balance out A&M, so it too may have a home.

Getting seasick yet? Well, we're only beginning.

Once the Big 12 knows what schools remain in its fold, then it can start searching for new members. The question becomes how will the Pac-12 and Big 10 react to the ACC and SEC expanding? And will the SEC push to 16?

The media-driven premise in conference expansion is that it will end with four 16-school conferences. With strong leadership, the remnants of the Big 12 can change that and form another conference with schools that are currently at the BCS level and schools that probably deserve such status.

Will it be a great conference? Possibly no (at least until the revenue of such a league lifts the members' collective ships), but by being inclusive instead of exclusive, a potential Big 16 could use the revenue from the likely string of lawsuits that will surely follow the destruction of the Big East and maybe of the old Big 12 to help build something survivable.

At some point it becomes about best-case scenarios and fighting for survival. K-State and other Big 12 schools are nearing that step in this ugly process.

Out of the Big 12/Big East ruins of K-State, Kansas, Missouri, Iowa State, Baylor, Louisville, Cincinnati, South Florida and TCU comes at least parts of a foundation. The more of the other five Big 12 schools that don't abandon the league, the better the strength of a new conference. Add in a selection from a pool of schools such as Central Florida, Memphis, Houston, SMU, Air Force, BYU, Boise State, New Mexico, San Diego State, etc., and there are enough pieces to form an acceptable conference.

The new conference could be a 16-school/four-pod alliance stretching through all four time zones, or a 12-school league consolidated closer to the current Big 12's footprint. What it will be is something. There is value in a TV contract that brings together proven and emerging programs and allows TV programmers to schedule games from early morning to late at night. It may not be as good as the current situation, but it could be the best of future situations.

This "something" may be unattractive to some, but they can pout, complain and dislike it all they want. The brutal truth may be that once Kansas State and other schools finally get to make some decisions, reality may have limited those choices, but not so much that it doesn't mean those schools still won't compete at the BCS level.

This, after all, is soon to become about survival for Kansas State and other schools left out of the realignment shuffle. The best news for fans of K-State and other schools is it still appears that they will indeed survive this hideous money grab.


Offline theKSU

  • Katpak'r
  • ***
  • Posts: 1403
  • Team KSU
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #12003 on: September 18, 2011, 03:05:10 PM »
West Virginia is going to the SEC.

Offline ew2x4

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 3918
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #12004 on: September 18, 2011, 03:07:46 PM »
Too much zeal.

Offline Houstoncat93

  • Combo-Fan
  • **
  • Posts: 943
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #12005 on: September 18, 2011, 03:16:05 PM »

So we would be looking at:

Loser of MU\WVU contest
KSU
KU
ISU
Baylor
TCU
Louisville
Cinicy
USF

Plus a promotion for a Mountain West CUSA team???????


OK, so as quickly as this thing is going I may actually be able to get some work done on Monday.  Who do we promote to the Big 12?  Houston?  My personal preference for obvious reasons.

Offline MadCat

  • TIME's Person Of The Year - 2006
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 13890
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #12006 on: September 18, 2011, 03:17:08 PM »
Potential moral victory: big 12 outlasts the big east despite letting first blood.

Offline ew2x4

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 3918
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #12007 on: September 18, 2011, 03:17:36 PM »
Air Force!

Offline steve dave

  • Global Moderator
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • *****
  • Posts: 88585
  • Romantic Fist Attachment
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #12008 on: September 18, 2011, 03:18:17 PM »
yeah, the new Conference USA is going to suck balls and taints and ballsacks

Offline ew2x4

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 3918
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #12009 on: September 18, 2011, 03:19:06 PM »
yeah, the new Conference USA is going to suck balls and taints and ballsacks

ballsacks with dingleberries.

Offline OregonSmock

  • Point Plank'r
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • *
  • Posts: 8512
  • Mashing 'taters like an Old Country Buffet
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #12010 on: September 18, 2011, 03:20:05 PM »
The Big 10 just became a much more viable option for KU now that Syracuse/Pitt are going to the ACC. 


 :love:

Offline puniraptor

  • Tastemaker
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 21355
  • nostalgic reason
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #12011 on: September 18, 2011, 03:20:34 PM »
yeah, the new Conference USA is going to suck balls and taints and ballsacks

ballsacks with dingleberries.

We are still on track to the natl champ. Every conference will want us!  :lynchmob:

Offline ew2x4

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 3918
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #12012 on: September 18, 2011, 03:20:46 PM »
 :facepalm:

Offline pike

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 5138
  • BIG GREEN EGG!!!!
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #12013 on: September 18, 2011, 03:23:58 PM »
The Big 10 just became a much more viable option for KU now that Syracuse/Pitt are going to the ACC. 


 :love:

omg  :lol:

Offline wabash909

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 6346
  • scattered all over like seeds in the wind
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #12014 on: September 18, 2011, 03:24:53 PM »
Potential moral victory: big 12 outlasts the big east despite letting first blood.

The victory will be short-lived.

Th Big 10 is not going to just sit there with their thumb up their ass.

They started this mess last year with Nebraska.  They'll play this game.

And if the ACC goes to 16, and the PAC goes to 16, and the SEC 14/16, then the Big 10 will as well.  This is about ego and dick swinging at this point.  Let's get real.

Missouri will be gone in a month.  No long range plans are going to be built around their membership to whatever shithole conference we land in.
Texas Christian University coach Gary Patterson has been hired as Kansas State's 34th football coach, multiple sources have confirmed to GoPowercat.com.  Patterson replaces Ron Prince, who was fired Wednesday. - Tim Fitzgerald   Nov, 7, 2008

Offline "storm"nut

  • SOCK (outed by The Laundromat)
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 3004
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #12015 on: September 18, 2011, 03:25:03 PM »
The Big 10 just became a much more viable option for KU now that Syracuse/Pitt are going to the ACC. 


 :love:

Ku is and never will be an option for the big 10
RIP Fatty

Offline OregonSmock

  • Point Plank'r
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • *
  • Posts: 8512
  • Mashing 'taters like an Old Country Buffet
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #12016 on: September 18, 2011, 03:26:07 PM »
The Big 10 just became a much more viable option for KU now that Syracuse/Pitt are going to the ACC. 


 :love:

omg  :lol:



What's so funny?


 :confused:

Offline OregonSmock

  • Point Plank'r
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • *
  • Posts: 8512
  • Mashing 'taters like an Old Country Buffet
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #12017 on: September 18, 2011, 03:27:00 PM »
The Big 10 just became a much more viable option for KU now that Syracuse/Pitt are going to the ACC. 


 :love:

Ku is and never will be an option for the big 10



They were one of the 15 candidates for the Big 10 during the last round of conference realignment.  Next.

Offline sonofdaxjones

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 59606
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #12018 on: September 18, 2011, 03:27:29 PM »
Beems, try to come in and $hit all over another thread.  We all know ku got worked yesterday and so you're all pi$$ed off, but take it elsewhere.


Offline "storm"nut

  • SOCK (outed by The Laundromat)
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 3004
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #12019 on: September 18, 2011, 03:27:58 PM »
The Big 10 just became a much more viable option for KU now that Syracuse/Pitt are going to the ACC.  


 :love:

Ku is and never will be an option for the big 10



They were one of the 15 candidates for the Big 10 during the last round of conference realignment.  Next.

:lol: we have a plane with Larry Scott on the way. Right
RIP Fatty

Offline pike

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 5138
  • BIG GREEN EGG!!!!
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #12020 on: September 18, 2011, 03:28:39 PM »
The Big 10 just became a much more viable option for KU now that Syracuse/Pitt are going to the ACC. 


 :love:

omg  :lol:



What's so funny?


 :confused:

You just dive in for validation

Offline joda

  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • ****
  • Posts: 3819
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #12021 on: September 18, 2011, 03:30:00 PM »
The Big 10 just became a much more viable option for KU now that Syracuse/Pitt are going to the ACC. 


 :love:

Ku is and never will be an option for the big 10



They were one of the 15 candidates for the Big 10 during the last round of conference realignment.  Next.


too easy... pass

Offline Tobias

  • Fattyfest Champion
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • *****
  • Posts: 29368
  • hypoclique lieutenant
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #12022 on: September 18, 2011, 03:31:12 PM »
The Big 10 just became a much more viable option for KU now that Syracuse/Pitt are going to the ACC. 


 :love:

Ku is and never will be an option for the big 10



They were one of the frank the tank's 15 candidates for the Big 10 during the last round of conference realignment.  Next.

Offline OregonSmock

  • Point Plank'r
  • Pak'r Élitaire
  • *
  • Posts: 8512
  • Mashing 'taters like an Old Country Buffet
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #12023 on: September 18, 2011, 03:31:19 PM »
I'm talking conference realignment, 'Pad.  Don't blame me because your fanbase is incredibly butthurt when it comes to the fact that KU is a much more attractive option for other conferences.  If the Big 10 expands to 16, KU and Mizzou will be right in the mix.  Believe.

Offline FP TC etc.

  • Katpak'r
  • ***
  • Posts: 2301
  • USA! USA! USA!
    • View Profile
Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #12024 on: September 18, 2011, 03:32:34 PM »
What makes you think the Big 10 will expand to 16. lol

KU will never be in the big 10.