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« Reply #11775 on: September 17, 2011, 02:11:38 PM »
So if the SEC can't leach any teams from the ACC and all the conferences DO go to 16 team mega conferences, who the fack else besides aTm do they take? Here is my TX goes to the PAC wutever scenario.

PAC 16
University of Oklahoma
Oklahoma State University
University of Texas
Texas Tech University
BIG 16
Notre Dame
Brigham Young University
University of Missouri
University of Kansas
ACC
Syracuse University
University of Pittsburgh
University of Conneticut
Rutgers University
SEC
Texas A&M University
West Virginia University
Kansas State University
Iowa State

With TCU, Baylor, ISU, and KSU battling it out for the last 2 spots in the SEC after WVU and aTm.

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« Reply #11776 on: September 17, 2011, 02:26:58 PM »
So if the SEC can't leach any teams from the ACC and all the conferences DO go to 16 team mega conferences, who the fack else besides aTm do they take? Here is my TX goes to the PAC wutever scenario.

PAC 16
University of Oklahoma
Oklahoma State University
University of Texas
Texas Tech University
BIG 16
Notre Dame
Brigham Young University
University of Missouri
University of Kansas
ACC
Syracuse University
University of Pittsburgh
University of Conneticut
Rutgers University
SEC
Texas A&M University
West Virginia University
Kansas State University
Iowa State

With TCU, Baylor, ISU, and KSU battling it out for the last 2 spots in the SEC after WVU and aTm.

You're forgetting Louisville and Cincy. Out of those 6 four will be left out. It's very possible K-State can get in. We are the most desirable after Louisville IMO. Especially if we are with KU then the SEC might offer both. But who knows, it will depend on which conferences expand first. Forgot about South Florida. They could possibly be more desirable than us.  :dunno:
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« Reply #11777 on: September 17, 2011, 02:32:30 PM »
Guys, I think that if we cling to KUs nutsack tight enough, then we might get in. By ourselves it is really close as to us being more desirable then the other "Forgotten Schools." But attached to KU we jump to the top of that list. The big 10 won't take us but the ACC or SEC could possibly to fill their last 2 spots.

Also, would any conference want BYU? They would be so far out from every other school in any of the conferences besides the PAC. Would they be worth the hassle?
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« Reply #11778 on: September 17, 2011, 02:39:51 PM »
Would like to get in ACC. Duke, Wake, NC State -- there's some wins there. SEC would be non-stop murder.

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« Reply #11779 on: September 17, 2011, 02:41:42 PM »
Pitt and Cuse to the ACC, and they way they did it, should only make you more confident in the survival of the Big 12 containing UT and OU.

Explain.

First of all, it is evidence that OU is bluffing. If they wanted to leave, they would have left like Cuse and Pitt did (and NU and CU last year).

Secondly, it makes UT to the ACC much less likely. who do they go with? KU? Tech? Please.

Third, (and this is huge a stretch), Cuse and Pitt may have left due to a lack of attractive expansion options for the Big East (KU, KSU, MU).

I fail to see how the actions of pitt and cuse in any way mean that OU is bluffing.  Completely different cirumstances, factors, environment.  Neither of those two have enough cache' to go wherever they want, neither have a  crazy baptist school threatening to sue everyone.  ou isn't bluffing, they're just figuring a way out, but they still want out.  that's their intention.  

UT is left scrambling (sort of).  We're f'd.  



You really take the Baylor stuff seriously, yet also think Pitt and Syracuse aren't in danger of being sued? Mkay.

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« Reply #11780 on: September 17, 2011, 02:44:54 PM »
ESPN Reporting that Iowa State and Baylor have reached out to the Big East in case Big 12 dissolves.


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« Reply #11781 on: September 17, 2011, 02:48:02 PM »
ESPN Reporting that Iowa State and Baylor have reached out to the Big East in case Big 12 dissolves.



LOL what's the point in that?
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« Reply #11782 on: September 17, 2011, 02:52:37 PM »
Pitt and Cuse to the ACC, and they way they did it, should only make you more confident in the survival of the Big 12 containing UT and OU.

Explain.

First of all, it is evidence that OU is bluffing. If they wanted to leave, they would have left like Cuse and Pitt did (and NU and CU last year).

Secondly, it makes UT to the ACC much less likely. who do they go with? KU? Tech? Please.

Third, (and this is huge a stretch), Cuse and Pitt may have left due to a lack of attractive expansion options for the Big East (KU, KSU, MU).

I fail to see how the actions of pitt and cuse in any way mean that OU is bluffing.  Completely different cirumstances, factors, environment.  Neither of those two have enough cache' to go wherever they want, neither have a  crazy baptist school threatening to sue everyone.  ou isn't bluffing, they're just figuring a way out, but they still want out.  that's their intention.  

UT is left scrambling (sort of).  We're f'd.  



You really take the Baylor stuff seriously, yet also think Pitt and Syracuse aren't in danger of being sued? Mkay.

different scenarios, timelines.  OU wasn't going to leave until a&m did,and then baylor said they'd sue everyone.    which would give them pause.  Pitt and cuse are still in danger of geting sued.  Do they leave if wvu left before them and UL threatened to sue everyone?

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« Reply #11783 on: September 17, 2011, 02:55:33 PM »
Considering their was a lawsuit the last time teams left the Big East, I would imagine there's a good chance this time, too.

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« Reply #11784 on: September 17, 2011, 03:08:32 PM »
Also, we're facing essentially a conference Cold War. Remember, the NCAA presidents have been insistent over the last decade that they do not want a playoff, but 16-team superconferences seem headed directly down that road. We're hearing a lot of "we're not looking to expand, but if someone else does, we'll have to reconsider" from the BCS conferences. I.E., if another conference hits the red button on the superconference nuclear football and goes to 16, maybe the Cold War turns hot. The question is whether 16 is the trigger, or whether, say, the PAC 12 could get away with adding 2 more without triggering it.

So what's likely happening right now is a crapload of phone calls between all the different presidents and conference folks trying to figure out the ramifications if an OU and OSU head for the PAC 12, or Texas goes indy or ACC..."so if we take these 2 more, that's cool"?  You also have the bowl reps calling around trying to stabilize things because they don't want to head down the playoff road. It's kind of a Mexican standoff, where everybody's trying to make sure they're not going to get shot before they make their next move. But because there are so many potential scenarios in play, it takes a lot of time and leads to a lot of differing stories leaked to the media as the different interests try to use it to their advantage.

And, of course, you've got the additional factor that nearly everyone in the media wants a playoff and wouldn't mind helping things along to get there.

We're not going to 16-team superconferences. Not yet.

Pitt and Syracuse are the result of all those phone calls over the last couple of weeks. There's been a gentleman's agreement now for conferences to go to 14 if they want. That's the detente. OU and OSU are going PAC 12, and that's it for the PAC 12 (for this round). SEC gets its 13th in A&M and maybe will pick up Mizzou or West Virginia.

Doubt that big 10 adds anyone this time 'round. They have Notre Dame and probably Texas whenever they want them. They don't have to solidify themselves, like ACC does (and PAC 12, to lesser extent, to avoid SEC picking off OU instead and keep Texas dream alive).  It seems highly unlikely that ND will join a conference until playoff starts, or big 10 schools tell them that they won't play them anymore unless they join big 10.

Those remaining Big East schools are going to need someplace to go now. I think we'll see Texas stick around here with Tech, Baylor, KU, K-State, perhaps Mizzou, adding BYU, Louisville, Cincinnati, couple of others, maybe.

The Big East / ACC move may actually leave schools like Rutgers, UConn, and USF in a worse position than we're in.  

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« Reply #11785 on: September 17, 2011, 03:12:49 PM »
Guys, the more I think about it the more I think K-State will be one of the last two in the super conferences. We are more attractive than Cincy, South Florida, ISU, Baylor and TCU. Don't know which conference will take us but we are definitely the best out of those six choices. And if we are a package with KU then we are definitely in. Which conference is going to take us?
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« Reply #11786 on: September 17, 2011, 03:14:03 PM »
Also, we're facing essentially a conference Cold War. Remember, the NCAA presidents have been insistent over the last decade that they do not want a playoff, but 16-team superconferences seem headed directly down that road. We're hearing a lot of "we're not looking to expand, but if someone else does, we'll have to reconsider" from the BCS conferences. I.E., if another conference hits the red button on the superconference nuclear football and goes to 16, maybe the Cold War turns hot. The question is whether 16 is the trigger, or whether, say, the PAC 12 could get away with adding 2 more without triggering it.

So what's likely happening right now is a crapload of phone calls between all the different presidents and conference folks trying to figure out the ramifications if an OU and OSU head for the PAC 12, or Texas goes indy or ACC..."so if we take these 2 more, that's cool"?  You also have the bowl reps calling around trying to stabilize things because they don't want to head down the playoff road. It's kind of a Mexican standoff, where everybody's trying to make sure they're not going to get shot before they make their next move. But because there are so many potential scenarios in play, it takes a lot of time and leads to a lot of differing stories leaked to the media as the different interests try to use it to their advantage.

And, of course, you've got the additional factor that nearly everyone in the media wants a playoff and wouldn't mind helping things along to get there.

We're not going to 16-team superconferences. Not yet.

Pitt and Syracuse are the result of all those phone calls over the last couple of weeks. There's been a gentleman's agreement now for conferences to go to 14 if they want. That's the detente. OU and OSU are going PAC 12, and that's it for the PAC 12 (for this round). SEC gets its 13th in A&M and maybe will pick up Mizzou or West Virginia.

Doubt that big 10 adds anyone this time 'round. They have Notre Dame and probably Texas whenever they want them. They don't have to solidify themselves, like ACC does (and PAC 12, to lesser extent, to avoid SEC picking off OU instead and keep Texas dream alive).  It seems highly unlikely that ND will join a conference until playoff starts, or big 10 schools tell them that they won't play them anymore unless they join big 10.

Those remaining Big East schools are going to need someplace to go now. I think we'll see Texas stick around here with Tech, Baylor, KU, K-State, perhaps Mizzou, adding BYU, Louisville, Cincinnati, couple of others, maybe.

The Big East / ACC move may actually leave schools like Rutgers, UConn, and USF in a worse position than we're in.   

I don't mind speculation, but why do people talk like they know what's going on?

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« Reply #11787 on: September 17, 2011, 03:16:48 PM »
Considering their was a lawsuit the last time teams left the Big East, I would imagine there's a good chance this time, too.

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« Reply #11788 on: September 17, 2011, 04:55:48 PM »
it's very apparent that the sec and pac very badly want not to be sued by big 12 schools - or at least want to minimize damage.  everything they say indicates this.  we don't know why.

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« Reply #11789 on: September 17, 2011, 05:01:00 PM »
I don't mind speculation, but why do people talk like they know what's going on?

Aren't like 85% of BBS posts like this? :dunno:

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« Reply #11790 on: September 17, 2011, 05:02:49 PM »
I don't mind speculation, but why do people talk like they know what's going on?

Aren't like 85% of BBS posts like this? :dunno:

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« Reply #11791 on: September 17, 2011, 05:03:13 PM »
If people only posted about things they knew absolutely everything about, we would have like 3 threads on this board.

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« Reply #11792 on: September 17, 2011, 05:23:01 PM »
If people only posted about things they knew absolutely everything about, we would have like 3 threads on this board.

Your comprehension is bad. Read what I said. There's a difference between speculation and thinking you know wtf is going on. Especially gentleman's agreements and stuff. That's just Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

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« Reply #11793 on: September 17, 2011, 05:24:19 PM »
If people only posted about things they knew absolutely everything about, we would have like 3 threads on this board.

Your comprehension is bad. Read what I said. There's a difference between speculation and thinking you know wtf is going on. Especially gentleman's agreements and stuff. That's just Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

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« Reply #11794 on: September 17, 2011, 05:28:47 PM »
If people only posted about things they knew absolutely everything about, we would have like 3 threads on this board.

Your comprehension is bad. Read what I said. There's a difference between speculation and thinking you know wtf is going on. Especially gentleman's agreements and stuff. That's just Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

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Did you read slimz's post? Obviously not. Go back and read it. Looked like something stormnut would put together.

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« Reply #11795 on: September 17, 2011, 05:34:54 PM »
yes it was. I really hope he was not trying to copy me.

If people only posted about things they knew absolutely everything about, we would have like 3 threads on this board.

Your comprehension is bad. Read what I said. There's a difference between speculation and thinking you know wtf is going on. Especially gentleman's agreements and stuff. That's just Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).

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College realignment took a dramatic turn with the developments of Pittsburgh and Syracuse applying for membership to the Atlantic Coast Conference.

A Big 12 administrator told Orangebloods.com those schools will be announced as the 13th and 14th members of the ACC on Sunday.

Two sources close to the situation say the ACC as an option for Texas may be decreasing. Nothing is ever final in the world of realignment until it's final.

But a source close to Texas told Orangebloods.com the Pac-12 may be becoming more of a viable option for the Longhorns and that moving UT's non-football sports into the ACC and remaining independent in football would not be a leading option for Texas at this time.

Another source close to Texas said UT officials were totally surprised by the developments involving Pitt, Syracuse and the ACC.

That source said Texas' top priority remains trying to hold the Big 12 together. But that option may have been dealt a blow with Pitt now appearing headed to the ACC. Pitt was a target of the Big 12 after it became clear Texas A&M wanted out of the league, sources have told Orangebloods.com.

Orangebloods.com caught up with Texas president Bill Powers outside the Rose Bowl Saturday, and Powers said, "We are not going to comment until all of this is over."

Another Big 12 administrator told Orangebloods.com the ACC appears as if it is moving on without Texas in its plans.

That Big 12 administrator said the ACC is reluctant to bring in Texas for three reasons: 1) how the Longhorn Network would be worked into its revenue sharing; 2) that the ACC sees itself as an east coast conference and wants to protect that by not reaching into the southwest (no matter how much TV money adding Texas would mean); and 3) Texas indicated to the ACC it would need to bring Texas Tech with them to the ACC, and the ACC members were not excited about that because of Texas Tech's academic standing (No. 160 in latest U.S. News and World Report).

If the ACC is diminishing as an option for Texas, that could be bad news for the future of the Longhorn Network. If the Longhorns are to stay tied to Texas Tech and head to the Pac-12 with Oklahoma and Oklahoma State, the LHN may have to be dramatically altered to fit into Pac-12 revenue sharing formulas.

Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott talked to a group of reporters that included Orangebloods.com on Saturday at the Rose Bowl.

Scott sounded surprised when told of the news the ACC could announce Pitt and Syracuse as new members as early as Sunday. He repeated that the Pac-12 is not initiating contact with any schools and added that he has no plans to talk to Texas officials while the Longhorns are in California to face UCLA.

"Once we finalized things with Colorado and Utah, we've been solely focused on 12 and making 12 work," Scott said. "I certainly anticipated this day would come - that there would be further realignment - if in fact it happens. And my view has been we need to build the best, strongest conference for schools to come if there is more destabilization.

"But I never would have anticipated this within 12 months of what happened last year. I'm surprised at the pace of destabilization in other conferences, and that we are having this conversation right now.

"By the same token, I'm thrilled with what we've been able to do in the last year in terms of the TV agreements, our TV networks, the solidarity in our conference. We are in a good position."

Scott said he would be watching the outcomes of separate regents meetings on Monday at both Texas and Oklahoma.

When asked about how the Pac-12 might be divided if it expands by two or four schools - whether it's four-team pods or two divisions - Scott said it was too early to speculate.

"That was a hot topic going from 10 to 12," Scott said. "We had a lot of deliberation. That's why I'm hedging on giving any kind of timetable. There were really important details that took three months to work out last year.

"It was after we decided to expand, then we figured it out in terms of how alignment within the conference would work. We evaluated a lot of different models. And ultimately got unanimity. So that's something we would be very cautious about, very consultative with our members."

Scott said the Pac-12 looked at four-team pods as a possible structure when it attempted to go to 16 schools last summer.

"We looked at models like that last year," Scott said. "I guess that's all I could say. I don't want to go down a path of a hypothetical because it's getting out in front of where we are. But we certainly looked at pod structures, and our conference is very well set up for that.

"We have very distinct geographic territories with two members in each market. So we've got a lot of flexibility and creativity to bring to how to align divisions."

Scott said there was interest in a four-team pod alignment when the Pac-12 was considering going to 16 schools last summer. "But we never had decided on how it would work last year when we thought about 16," Scott said.

When asked about the Longhorn Network if Texas was to join the Pac-12, Scott said, "It would be an issue."

"We've got contracts in place and a certain structure for our networks that if we were going to add any school, any school would have to be part of that structure in some way," Scott said. "It's hard for me to be more specific than that."

Scott has set up a series of regional networks that pair two schools to share revenue from their third-tier TV rights with each other and with the Pac-12.

I asked Scott if there could be some exception to the third-tier rights network structure he has put in place, and he said no.

"We are really proud of the equal revenue sharing we have in the conference. It's one of the hallmarks of a stable conference," Scott said. "We've got a great spirit of one-for-all, and that's benefited us. We've certainly benefited in our TV negotiations, and one of the strengths of our conference has been the stability, the unity, the pooling of our rights and sharing the money equally, so that's not going to change."

A source close to the situation said the Pac-12 projects its TV revenue to average $35 million annually per school over the 12-year life of its $3 billion agreements with Fox and ESPN.

Texas was due to make roughly $35 million starting next year from its Big 12 TV revenue (roughly $20 million) and LHN (roughly $15 million). But that $35 million for Texas was expected to grow as time went on because of other TV negotiations on the horizon (the Big 12's deal with ABC/ESPN is up after the 2015-16 school year).

A Big 12 administrator told Orangebloods.com the ACC's acquisition of Pitt and Syracuse would be "bad news for everyone in the Big 12 as well as TCU."

Pitt was a school being courted by the Big 12 as a possible replacement for Texas A&M, and TCU is slated to join the Big East next year. That could now be in jeopardy with the Big East destabilizing.

I was told by a Big 12 administrator that West Virginia is looking like the 14th member of the Southeastern Conference after Texas A&M is added as the 13th member.

A Big 12 administrator said the list of candidates to help hold the Big 12 together would now include BYU, Louisville and most likely some other Big East school (maybe Cincinnati) as well as TCU.

But Orangebloods.com has been told by industry sources the Big 12's TV partners (ABC/ESPN and Fox) would not be interested in committing the money they are currently spending on the Big 12 for a conference that does not include Texas, Oklahoma and Texas A&M.

That could mean the schools left in the Big 12 and schools left in the Big East could form a conference, a Big 12 administrator said.

Stay tuned.

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« Reply #11799 on: September 17, 2011, 07:59:27 PM »
Kind of mixed feelings on the SEC.  Football will suck, but basketball will be good.     :gocho: