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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #11450 on: September 15, 2011, 09:17:47 AM »
no doubt, a lot of it is posturing, but there is plenty of uncertainty about the future and plenty of sour feelings out there right now.  after going through all of the effort to deal with this situation for two years and not knowing what might happen down the road (e.g. texas going indy), even smaller players like mu, ku, and kstate may want to jump at a good offer if one comes along.  even if the big 12 survives, it won't be what it used to be.

if they have a serious restructuring w/ huge penalties for leaving and bring in byu, etc then it could be. the penalties would have to be massive though. there has to be something that binds the schools together.

The most effective way would be like the Pac-12 and Big Ten where you sign over your TV rights to the conference for X number of years.

However, that will absolutely never fly here.  Ever.

yet everyone would be willing to do it in the Big 12 or Pac? Does not compute.

Let me specify.

Everyone but Texas would be willing to do that here.

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« Reply #11451 on: September 15, 2011, 09:19:29 AM »
Still think the Big East survives and won't get torn apart like lots of people are claiming.  Penn State doesn't want Pitt in the Big 10, I just don't see WVU in the SEC or the ACC for that matter.   I don't see the ACC basketball powers all that excited to bring Syracuse in, and the Big 10 has that market captured already with Penn State . . . Penn State brings Penn, NY and Jersey, they don't need Cuse or Rutgers.   I also don't see the ACC all that excited about Louisville or Cinncy and neither of those schools are Big 10 material.


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« Reply #11452 on: September 15, 2011, 09:20:42 AM »
no doubt, a lot of it is posturing, but there is plenty of uncertainty about the future and plenty of sour feelings out there right now.  after going through all of the effort to deal with this situation for two years and not knowing what might happen down the road (e.g. texas going indy), even smaller players like mu, ku, and kstate may want to jump at a good offer if one comes along.  even if the big 12 survives, it won't be what it used to be.

if they have a serious restructuring w/ huge penalties for leaving and bring in byu, etc then it could be. the penalties would have to be massive though. there has to be something that binds the schools together.

The most effective way would be like the Pac-12 and Big Ten where you sign over your TV rights to the conference for X number of years.

However, that will absolutely never fly here.  Ever.

yet everyone would be willing to do it in the Big 12 or Pac? Does not compute.

Let me specify.

Everyone but Texas would be willing to do that here.

even if it guarantees the LHN for 20 years? You honestly think they would prefer the LHN in the ACC without OU?

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #11453 on: September 15, 2011, 09:21:51 AM »
He wasn't starting a fire - he was just pulling the alarm.

i read that line in my serious rusty voice

I read it in  Jack Nicholson voice…the “you can’t handle the truth” kinda voice. 
just tried that, fantastic. 


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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #11454 on: September 15, 2011, 09:24:47 AM »
no doubt, a lot of it is posturing, but there is plenty of uncertainty about the future and plenty of sour feelings out there right now.  after going through all of the effort to deal with this situation for two years and not knowing what might happen down the road (e.g. texas going indy), even smaller players like mu, ku, and kstate may want to jump at a good offer if one comes along.  even if the big 12 survives, it won't be what it used to be.

if they have a serious restructuring w/ huge penalties for leaving and bring in byu, etc then it could be. the penalties would have to be massive though. there has to be something that binds the schools together.

The most effective way would be like the Pac-12 and Big Ten where you sign over your TV rights to the conference for X number of years.

However, that will absolutely never fly here.  Ever.

As I understood it the TV rights were just the rights to your games you had already played in the conference for the next X years, not future games.  I mean, WGAF if the Big 10 wants to broadcast our old games v. Indiana or whatever.  Really meaningless.  

meaningless for kstate. probably not for texas who has their own tv station that they need to have commercials on and things for people to watch.

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #11455 on: September 15, 2011, 09:25:18 AM »
no doubt, a lot of it is posturing, but there is plenty of uncertainty about the future and plenty of sour feelings out there right now.  after going through all of the effort to deal with this situation for two years and not knowing what might happen down the road (e.g. texas going indy), even smaller players like mu, ku, and kstate may want to jump at a good offer if one comes along.  even if the big 12 survives, it won't be what it used to be.

if they have a serious restructuring w/ huge penalties for leaving and bring in byu, etc then it could be. the penalties would have to be massive though. there has to be something that binds the schools together.

The most effective way would be like the Pac-12 and Big Ten where you sign over your TV rights to the conference for X number of years.

However, that will absolutely never fly here.  Ever.

yet everyone would be willing to do it in the Big 12 or Pac? Does not compute.

Let me specify.

Everyone but Texas would be willing to do that here.

even if it guarantees the LHN for 20 years? You honestly think they would prefer the LHN in the ACC without OU?

I think you're being too rational, and you have to think like the players in this game.

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #11456 on: September 15, 2011, 09:28:19 AM »
what i find really funny about all of this is that nothing is really going to change despite any realignment that may occur.


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« Reply #11457 on: September 15, 2011, 09:29:21 AM »
what i find really funny about all of this is that nothing is really going to change despite any realignment that may occur.

So true.

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #11458 on: September 15, 2011, 09:29:43 AM »
what i find really funny about all of this is that nothing is really going to change despite any realignment that may occur.

EVERYTHING IS GONIG TO CHANGE!!!!!

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« Reply #11459 on: September 15, 2011, 09:31:19 AM »
stopped reading all of this a few pages ago but I can't help but to check back in on this thread as it updates.

Someone needs to post "UPDATE" in huge bolded words once something actually happens so that when I am quickly scrolling past I can be made aware that something new happened.

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« Reply #11460 on: September 15, 2011, 09:35:16 AM »
He wasn't starting a fire - he was just pulling the alarm.

i read that line in my serious rusty voice

I read it in  Jack Nicholson voice…the “you can’t handle the truth” kinda voice. 

I read it in a 1930's detective voice-over voice.

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« Reply #11461 on: September 15, 2011, 09:42:21 AM »
@ChrisLevel: Big 12 presidents set to meet today. Will Oklahoma have a decision? Will Texas? Will A&M/SEC become official? Could get some answers today. :popcorn:

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #11462 on: September 15, 2011, 09:42:32 AM »
He wasn't starting a fire - he was just pulling the alarm.

i read that line in my serious rusty voice

I read it in  Jack Nicholson voice…the “you can’t handle the truth” kinda voice. 

I read it in a 1930's detective voice-over voice.
Read it in the Billy Joel "We didn't start the fire" singing voice.

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« Reply #11463 on: September 15, 2011, 09:49:29 AM »
He wasn't starting a fire - he was just pulling the alarm.

i read that line in my serious rusty voice

I read it in  Jack Nicholson voice…the “you can’t handle the truth” kinda voice. 

I read it in a 1930's detective voice-over voice.
Read it in the Billy Joel "We didn't start the fire" singing voice.
I read it in this guys voice

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« Reply #11464 on: September 15, 2011, 09:50:07 AM »
Something must be going down:
http://newsok.com/article/3604380

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For over 108 years the Gaylord and Dickinson families have controlled The Oklahoma Publishing Company, locally known as OPUBCO. According to Christy Everest, Chairman and CEO of OPUBCO, that will change in early October when all of the stock of OPUBCO will be sold to The Anschutz Corporation, owned by Denver-based businessman Philip Anschutz.

The Anschutz Corporation will be acquiring all the assets which OPUBCO owns or has an interest in, including: The Oklahoman, NewsOK.com, the corporate headquarters building, the printing facilities and all associated real estate...

...Mr. Anschutz, originally from Russell, Kansas, is a graduate of the University of Kansas.

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #11465 on: September 15, 2011, 09:51:57 AM »
He wasn't starting a fire - he was just pulling the alarm.

i read that line in my serious rusty voice

I read it in  Jack Nicholson voice…the “you can’t handle the truth” kinda voice. 

I read it in a 1930's detective voice-over voice.
Read it in the Billy Joel "We didn't start the fire" singing voice.

Try the Fred Thompson voice from Hunt for Red October.  Blew my mind

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« Reply #11466 on: September 15, 2011, 09:55:07 AM »
He wasn't starting a fire - he was just pulling the alarm.

i read that line in my serious rusty voice

I read it in  Jack Nicholson voice…the “you can’t handle the truth” kinda voice. 

I read it in a 1930's detective voice-over voice.
Read it in the Billy Joel "We didn't start the fire" singing voice.
I read it in this guys voice


I'm done.  This is what I'm going with.

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« Reply #11467 on: September 15, 2011, 09:57:58 AM »
Although let’s say god does fall asleep at the wheel and we do get in the pac-12, I feel just terrible for CU.  Those beautiful looking, fantastic smelling people deserve better than to have to deal with the stench of Okies and Kansans coming to Boulder.  

It will be amazing.

but really, the longer things are silent, the more I think the Big 12 survives.

I dunno.  Nothing about any of this is logical.  At all.  I mean, everyone’s cool with A&M leaving, not thrilled, but everyone is willing to go out get a team or teams to fill out the conference…then OU’s imperial wizard runs his mouth off and even if you say that he’s doing it to posture or get something out of UT, it’s damn near the most absurd way to go about it.  I mean, if you’re a manager of an apt building and you’re concerned about your buildings fire codes or potential fire hazards and you’ve got tenancy available, you don’t start a fire and then see if you can get the building owner to make some fire code changes and then expect people to line up for admittance.  I’m of the belief that they (ou) want to go and are just figuring out a way to do so, that’s why it’s taking so long.  70/30 collapse/stays together.

I think we're seeing a couple of things at play here. First, "It's Patterson!" writ large. Especially for the schools "with options," there are probably different factions or power players that are interested in different options, and they likely each have been leaking "info" to the media to try to get momentum toward whichever option they prefer. Thus, the reason we see so many stories that claim we're headed down so many different roads.

Also, we're facing essentially a conference Cold War. Remember, the NCAA presidents have been insistent over the last decade that they do not want a playoff, but 16-team superconferences seem headed directly down that road. We're hearing a lot of "we're not looking to expand, but if someone else does, we'll have to reconsider" from the BCS conferences. I.E., if another conference hits the red button on the superconference nuclear football and goes to 16, maybe the Cold War turns hot. The question is whether 16 is the trigger, or whether, say, the PAC 12 could get away with adding 2 more without triggering it.

So what's likely happening right now is a crapload of phone calls between all the different presidents and conference folks trying to figure out the ramifications if an OU and OSU head for the PAC 12, or Texas goes indy or ACC..."so if we take these 2 more, that's cool"?  You also have the bowl reps calling around trying to stabilize things because they don't want to head down the playoff road. It's kind of a Mexican standoff, where everybody's trying to make sure they're not going to get shot before they make their next move. But because there are so many potential scenarios in play, it takes a lot of time and leads to a lot of differing stories leaked to the media as the different interests try to use it to their advantage.

And, of course, you've got the additional factor that nearly everyone in the media wants a playoff and wouldn't mind helping things along to get there.
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« Reply #11468 on: September 15, 2011, 09:58:34 AM »
http://m.stltoday.com/STL/db_109156/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=es9supm4&full=true#display

Quote from: MU Prez Brady Deaton
"I'm a little more optimistic certainly today than I was maybe a week ago, but that's based on the fact that I think good, careful reasoning and analysis of what's in the best interests of each of  our institutions will continue to bind us together as a conference."

like I said.

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« Reply #11469 on: September 15, 2011, 10:01:57 AM »
It's kind of a Mexican standoff, where everybody's trying to make sure they're not going to get shot before they make their next move.

That and Baylor walked in strapped in a bunch of C-4.

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« Reply #11470 on: September 15, 2011, 10:03:38 AM »
It's kind of a Mexican standoff, where everybody's trying to make sure they're not going to get shot before they make their next move.

That and Baylor walked in strapped in a bunch of C-4.

which was actually play doh

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« Reply #11471 on: September 15, 2011, 10:05:26 AM »
So who do we thank when then is all said and done?  OU for pulling the alarm?  Baylor for slowing down A&M's departure to SEC?  BYU for still wanting to join after watching this god awful pillow fight?  

If the Big 12 minus whatever still survives after all this, it can only mean more money for us.  
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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #11472 on: September 15, 2011, 10:11:38 AM »
He wasn't starting a fire - he was just pulling the alarm.

i read that line in my serious rusty voice

I read it in  Jack Nicholson voice…the “you can’t handle the truth” kinda voice. 

I read it in a 1930's detective voice-over voice.
Read it in the Billy Joel "We didn't start the fire" singing voice.

Try the Fred Thompson voice from Hunt for Red October.  Blew my mind

I just used Sean Connery.  Thought that one couldn't be beat...but then did it with Ozzy Osborne, and found that one to be surprisingly entertaining.

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« Reply #11473 on: September 15, 2011, 10:12:47 AM »
He wasn't starting a fire - he was just pulling the alarm.

i read that line in my serious rusty voice

I read it in  Jack Nicholson voice…the “you can’t handle the truth” kinda voice. 

I read it in a 1930's detective voice-over voice.
Read it in the Billy Joel "We didn't start the fire" singing voice.

Try the Fred Thompson voice from Hunt for Red October.  Blew my mind

I just used Sean Connery.  Thought that one couldn't be beat...but then did it with Ozzy Osborne, and found that one to be surprisingly entertaining.

Try the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) kid from What's Eating Gilbert Grape.

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« Reply #11474 on: September 15, 2011, 10:14:12 AM »
OH, OH, OH TRY IT WITH THE PRIEST FROM THE PRINCESS BRIDE!