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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #10725 on: September 08, 2011, 01:14:35 PM »
Think Situinjun has heard anything re. OU's decision?

I'll give him a call and see what's up.  He's probably still sleeping one off.

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« Reply #10726 on: September 08, 2011, 01:19:55 PM »
My source (wife's younger brother's fraternity brother's uncle/relative works in OU's AD dept) said that big xii is last option for OU. They want pac 12, but can't do unless osu comes (state politics) and atm leaves for sec (fear of legal crap). Nothing about KU/ksu.

I'm guess the whole talk about pac 12 waiting for sec to move first has some truth?

And the SEC won't take A&M unless Baylor promises not to sue, but Baylor won't promise not to sue until OU signs a commitment to the Big 12...We now wait until someone blinks...:goodbyecruelworld:

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« Reply #10730 on: September 08, 2011, 01:32:29 PM »
My source (wife's younger brother's fraternity brother's uncle/relative works in OU's AD dept) said that big xii is last option for OU. They want pac 12, but can't do unless osu comes (state politics) and atm leaves for sec (fear of legal crap). Nothing about KU/ksu.

I'm guess the whole talk about pac 12 waiting for sec to move first has some truth?

And the SEC won't take A&M unless Baylor promises not to sue, but Baylor won't promise not to sue until OU signs a commitment to the Big 12...We now wait until someone blinks...:goodbyecruelworld:

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Pac-12's Larry Scott has indicated his league wouldn't make 1st move in realignment. So is OU, like A&M, forced to sit tight for moment?


exactly.  baylor is delaying the inevitable. 

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« Reply #10731 on: September 08, 2011, 01:32:55 PM »
My source (wife's younger brother's fraternity brother's uncle/relative works in OU'

s AD dept) said that big xii is last option for OU. They want pac 12, but can't do unless osu comes (state politics) and atm leaves for sec (fear of legal crap). Nothing about KU/ksu.

I'm guess the whole talk about pac 12 waiting for sec to move first has some truth?

And the SEC won't take A&M unless Baylor promises not to sue, but Baylor won't promise not to sue until OU signs a commitment to the Big 12...We now wait until someone blinks...goodbyecruelworld:

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Pac-12's Larry Scott has indicated his league wouldn't make 1st move in realignment. So is OU, like A&M, forced to sit tight for moment?



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« Reply #10732 on: September 08, 2011, 01:34:00 PM »
I don't get why Larry Scott has to or wants to wait on the SEC if he wants to expand. So much of this stuff that people report as fact is just rough ridin' stupid nonsense.

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« Reply #10733 on: September 08, 2011, 01:35:54 PM »
My source (wife's younger brother's fraternity brother's uncle/relative works in OU's AD dept) said that big xii is last option for OU. They want pac 12, but can't do unless osu comes (state politics) and atm leaves for sec (fear of legal crap). Nothing about KU/ksu.

I'm guess the whole talk about pac 12 waiting for sec to move first has some truth?

And the SEC won't take A&M unless Baylor promises not to sue, but Baylor won't promise not to sue until OU signs a commitment to the Big 12...We now wait until someone blinks...:goodbyecruelworld:

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Pac-12's Larry Scott has indicated his league wouldn't make 1st move in realignment. So is OU, like A&M, forced to sit tight for moment?


exactly.  baylor is delaying the inevitable. 

As they should, it's in their best interest, the longer they drag this out, the more likely the outcome is more beneficial to them,  It's like MLK said (paraphrasing) "use non-violent tension to create an environment where those who were less likely to negotiate with you are now more likely to negotiate with you and are more likely to concede their position".  (and you guys thought I was racist because I don't like KU's chancellor.)
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« Reply #10734 on: September 08, 2011, 01:37:47 PM »
My source (wife's younger brother's fraternity brother's uncle/relative works in OU's AD dept) said that big xii is last option for OU. They want pac 12, but can't do unless osu comes (state politics) and atm leaves for sec (fear of legal crap). Nothing about KU/ksu.

I'm guess the whole talk about pac 12 waiting for sec to move first has some truth?

And the SEC won't take A&M unless Baylor promises not to sue, but Baylor won't promise not to sue until OU signs a commitment to the Big 12...We now wait until someone blinks...:goodbyecruelworld:

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Pac-12's Larry Scott has indicated his league wouldn't make 1st move in realignment. So is OU, like A&M, forced to sit tight for moment?


exactly.  baylor is delaying the inevitable. 

thanks to your avatar I read every one of your post in the voice of Heinz Doofenshmirtz...out loud

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« Reply #10735 on: September 08, 2011, 01:39:15 PM »
I don't get why Larry Scott has to or wants to wait on the SEC if he wants to expand. So much of this stuff that people report as fact is just rough ridin' stupid nonsense.

idk. i mean, the only thing that somewhat makes sense is a big company like espn/disney/abc wanting things to stay the way they are and a conference maybe not wanting to make them mad? dunno, that's really reaching i guess. also maybe the conference that triggers it all could be more susceptible to legal action. again extremely reaching.

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« Reply #10736 on: September 08, 2011, 01:39:41 PM »
I don't get why Larry Scott has to or wants to wait on the SEC if he wants to expand. So much of this stuff that people report as fact is just rough ridin' stupid nonsense.

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« Reply #10737 on: September 08, 2011, 01:42:09 PM »
I don't get why Larry Scott has to or wants to wait on the SEC if he wants to expand. So much of this stuff that people report as fact is just rough ridin' stupid nonsense.

It's because while he wants to expand, a portion of his bosses (4-6 UPs) don't want to unless they have to.  The only way he can leverage those UPs into giving him the authority to expand is if they believe they have to in order to keep up with other conferences.  Larry Scott would love to go pick up OU and OSU right now, he just doesn't have enough support from those that give him the authority to do so.
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« Reply #10738 on: September 08, 2011, 01:42:18 PM »
My source (wife's younger brother's fraternity brother's uncle/relative works in OU's AD dept) said that big xii is last option for OU. They want pac 12, but can't do unless osu comes (state politics) and atm leaves for sec (fear of legal crap). Nothing about KU/ksu.

I'm guess the whole talk about pac 12 waiting for sec to move first has some truth?

And the SEC won't take A&M unless Baylor promises not to sue, but Baylor won't promise not to sue until OU signs a commitment to the Big 12...We now wait until someone blinks...:goodbyecruelworld:

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Pac-12's Larry Scott has indicated his league wouldn't make 1st move in realignment. So is OU, like A&M, forced to sit tight for moment?


exactly.  baylor is delaying the inevitable. 

thanks to your avatar I read every one of your post in the voice of Heinz Doofenshmirtz...out loud

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« Reply #10739 on: September 08, 2011, 01:47:27 PM »
I don't get why Larry Scott has to or wants to wait on the SEC if he wants to expand. So much of this stuff that people report as fact is just rough ridin' stupid nonsense.

We are living in a litigious world and I am a litigious girl.

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« Reply #10740 on: September 08, 2011, 01:49:44 PM »
I don't get why Larry Scott has to or wants to wait on the SEC if he wants to expand. So much of this stuff that people report as fact is just rough ridin' stupid nonsense.

It's because while he wants to expand, a portion of his bosses (4-6 UPs) don't want to unless they have to.  The only way he can leverage those UPs into giving him the authority to expand is if they believe they have to in order to keep up with other conferences.  Larry Scott would love to go pick up OU and OSU right now, he just doesn't have enough support from those that give him the authority to do so.

why do they need to "keep up" with other conferences?

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« Reply #10742 on: September 08, 2011, 01:55:09 PM »
I don't get why Larry Scott has to or wants to wait on the SEC if he wants to expand. So much of this stuff that people report as fact is just rough ridin' stupid nonsense.

It's because while he wants to expand, a portion of his bosses (4-6 UPs) don't want to unless they have to.  The only way he can leverage those UPs into giving him the authority to expand is if they believe they have to in order to keep up with other conferences.  Larry Scott would love to go pick up OU and OSU right now, he just doesn't have enough support from those that give him the authority to do so.

why do they need to "keep up" with other conferences?

That I don't understand.  My take is just that Scott wants to grow, some UPs do not, and that Scott has convinced them that they need to "keep up".  That's the angle he is taking with them.  Maybe it's a risk/reward thing.  Once they feel that superconferences are inevitable (someone else move towards it first), then they must start taking risks to make sure that their supply of new teams doesn't run out.  They may feel that the if the SEC goes to 16, they might go after OU, so they better lock up OU before the SEC can.
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« Reply #10743 on: September 08, 2011, 01:55:22 PM »
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« Reply #10744 on: September 08, 2011, 01:57:32 PM »
I don't get why Larry Scott has to or wants to wait on the SEC if he wants to expand. So much of this stuff that people report as fact is just rough ridin' stupid nonsense.

It's because while he wants to expand, a portion of his bosses (4-6 UPs) don't want to unless they have to.  The only way he can leverage those UPs into giving him the authority to expand is if they believe they have to in order to keep up with other conferences.  Larry Scott would love to go pick up OU and OSU right now, he just doesn't have enough support from those that give him the authority to do so.

why do they need to "keep up" with other conferences?

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« Reply #10745 on: September 08, 2011, 01:57:36 PM »
Cole with an insidery scoop.

http://themercury.com/K-StateSports/article.aspx?articleId=7292bf8278854a2482b82de9b5d967d6

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The source said A&M is thought to be worth 20 to 25 percent of the value of that contract, whereas OU is 30 to 35 percent, and Texas 45 to 50 percent. If that's the case, the loss of A&M could cost the remaining members of the conference approximately $300 million, and that's what the SEC figured it was risking in a lawsuit if the remaining Big 12 schools sued.

Just adding the low percentages of each school: 20+30+45=95%  So the remaining 7 schools make up 5% of that contract's value at best?

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« Reply #10746 on: September 08, 2011, 01:57:51 PM »
I don't get why Larry Scott has to or wants to wait on the SEC if he wants to expand. So much of this stuff that people report as fact is just rough ridin' stupid nonsense.

It's because while he wants to expand, a portion of his bosses (4-6 UPs) don't want to unless they have to.  The only way he can leverage those UPs into giving him the authority to expand is if they believe they have to in order to keep up with other conferences.  Larry Scott would love to go pick up OU and OSU right now, he just doesn't have enough support from those that give him the authority to do so.

why do they need to "keep up" with other conferences?

As long as the money per team is the same aren't they"keeping up".  Other than a dick waving contest why do they need more teams to keep up?

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« Reply #10747 on: September 08, 2011, 02:00:16 PM »
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http://themercury.com/K-StateSports/article.aspx?articleId=7292bf8278854a2482b82de9b5d967d6

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« Reply #10748 on: September 08, 2011, 02:01:44 PM »
Cole with an insidery scoop.

http://themercury.com/K-StateSports/article.aspx?articleId=7292bf8278854a2482b82de9b5d967d6

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The source said A&M is thought to be worth 20 to 25 percent of the value of that contract, whereas OU is 30 to 35 percent, and Texas 45 to 50 percent. If that's the case, the loss of A&M could cost the remaining members of the conference approximately $300 million, and that's what the SEC figured it was risking in a lawsuit if the remaining Big 12 schools sued.

Just adding the low percentages of each school: 20+30+45=95%  So the remaining 7 schools make up 5% of that contract's value at best?

could be that the remaining 7 make up -10% of the contract value if you take the high estimates :dunno:

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« Reply #10749 on: September 08, 2011, 02:03:48 PM »
Cole with an insidery scoop.

http://themercury.com/K-StateSports/article.aspx?articleId=7292bf8278854a2482b82de9b5d967d6

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The source said A&M is thought to be worth 20 to 25 percent of the value of that contract, whereas OU is 30 to 35 percent, and Texas 45 to 50 percent. If that's the case, the loss of A&M could cost the remaining members of the conference approximately $300 million, and that's what the SEC figured it was risking in a lawsuit if the remaining Big 12 schools sued.

Just adding the low percentages of each school: 20+30+45=95%  So the remaining 7 schools make up 5% of that contract's value at best?

If Texas is on the high side, and A&M and OU are at the low end...  :sdeek: