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« Reply #10550 on: September 08, 2011, 07:44:36 AM »
This is the first that I've actually heard someone that's a legit voice in this mess actually say this:

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*** And if Oklahoma and OSU were to climb aboard in the next few days or weeks, then Scott would take the time to make sure Texas is off the table … and then he’d move on.

How long he’d wait for Texas to decide its future, I have no idea. But eventually the Pac-14 would examine other options for its 15th and 16th teams. (The league has probably done some of that legwork already.)

Without question, Kansas and Kansas State would be given serious consideration — and those schools would know they were receiving serious consideration, thus delaying a possible move to the Big East.

Guessing along with Scott is a risky, risky venture, but I think he thinks the Kansas basketball brand is strong enough to offset the weak football brand … and strong enough to haul KSU along with it.

Then again, it’s possible the conference would stop at 14.

Uh...what?  You literally have to be shitting me.

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/collegesports/2011/09/07/pac-12-expansion-the-case-for-the-oklahoma-schools/

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« Reply #10551 on: September 08, 2011, 07:48:22 AM »
ou mouthpiece, imo

those are the best sources.  look at chip.

Exactly.  Mouthpieces are like stereotypes, they’re convenient timesavers and give generally accurate portrayals.  Example:  Texans are arrogant. 

Another Example:  KState0s are clueless hicks who will eventually get what they deserve.



we have only ourselves to blame for the sad state of the KSU beat.   supporting Dobbie in his journalistic endeavors could have changed this.

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« Reply #10552 on: September 08, 2011, 07:50:59 AM »
The lawsuit would be filed in Texas, and the damages alleged would be in the Billions (with a B).  No Texas judge would give up jurisdiction without 2 years of appellate court arguments and Texas juries are very genrous in assesing damages.

SEC is damn right in being scared, and ATM simply isn't worth that potential.  SEC would take the risk for UT, not for ATM.


Recall how Texaco (a Delaware corporation) got absolutely HOSED in a Texas court when sued by a Texas corporaton (Pennzoil), and got a judgement for $billions$.  Never underestimate the homerism of a Texas court, even if it's against another Texas institution like A&M--especially since A&M is divorcing Texas Div I football.

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« Reply #10553 on: September 08, 2011, 07:59:19 AM »
Yaaaaaawwwwwnnnnnnnnnn streeeeeeeeeeeeeetch :cracksknuckles:

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« Reply #10554 on: September 08, 2011, 08:01:33 AM »
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So the implosion of the Big 12 clearly would be a scary thing for Baylor. Same for the largely undesirable commodities to the north known as Kansas, Kansas State and Iowa State.

To the Phog... :bracketmouse:
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« Reply #10555 on: September 08, 2011, 08:03:26 AM »
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So the implosion of the Big 12 clearly would be a scary thing for Baylor. Same for the largely undesirable commodities to the north known as Kansas, Kansas State and Iowa State.

To the Phog... :bracketmouse:

Total denial over there. They want nothing more than to be in a different conference from us. Much like how aTm is leaving so they will be able to say they aren't little brother, KU desperately wants to be in a different conference so they can say they are big brother, (which they will never be in football if both schools are in the same conference). It's truly a treat to watch.

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« Reply #10556 on: September 08, 2011, 08:05:50 AM »
This may belong in another thread, but whatever:

What would it take to make the Big 12 "stable"? Just eliminating the LHN? Equal revenue for Tier 1 and Tier 2 media rights? Something else?

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« Reply #10557 on: September 08, 2011, 08:06:25 AM »
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So the implosion of the Big 12 clearly would be a scary thing for Baylor. Same for the largely undesirable commodities to the north known as Kansas, Kansas State and Iowa State.

To the Phog... :bracketmouse:

Total denial over there. They want nothing more than to be in a different conference from us. Much like how aTm is leaving so they will be able to say they aren't little brother, KU desperately wants to be in a different conference so they can say they are big brother, (which they will never be in football if both schools are in the same conference). It's truly a treat to watch.
I'm too lazy to wade through all the gabrage, someone needs to do a Phog.net realignment gems thread at some point.
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« Reply #10558 on: September 08, 2011, 08:07:55 AM »
This may belong in another thread, but whatever:

What would it take to make the Big 12 "stable"? Just eliminating the LHN? Equal revenue for Tier 1 and Tier 2 media rights? Something else?

getting a bunch of schools together who appreciate what UT brings to the table yet won't want to leech off them.

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« Reply #10559 on: September 08, 2011, 08:08:41 AM »
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So the implosion of the Big 12 clearly would be a scary thing for Baylor. Same for the largely undesirable commodities to the north known as Kansas, Kansas State and Iowa State.

To the Phog... :bracketmouse:

Total denial over there. They want nothing more than to be in a different conference from us. Much like how aTm is leaving so they will be able to say they aren't little brother, KU desperately wants to be in a different conference so they can say they are big brother, (which they will never be in football if both schools are in the same conference). It's truly a treat to watch.
I'm too lazy to wade through all the gabrage, someone needs to do a Phog.net realignment gems thread at some point.

Seconded.

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« Reply #10560 on: September 08, 2011, 08:14:37 AM »
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So the implosion of the Big 12 clearly would be a scary thing for Baylor. Same for the largely undesirable commodities to the north known as Kansas, Kansas State and Iowa State.

To the Phog... :bracketmouse:

Total denial over there. They want nothing more than to be in a different conference from us. Much like how aTm is leaving so they will be able to say they aren't little brother, KU desperately wants to be in a different conference so they can say they are big brother, (which they will never be in football if both schools are in the same conference). It's truly a treat to watch.
I'm too lazy to wade through all the gabrage, someone needs to do a Phog.net realignment gems thread at some point.

Seconded.



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« Reply #10561 on: September 08, 2011, 08:15:05 AM »
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Mipp12 was the first one to post anything about Nebrasksa and Colorado leaving the B12 last year (3 days before anything about it was announced publicly) so he's a proven source.  He posted on the Oregon board that the K-State and OU will announce later today their intent to leave the B12.  Ultimately, OU and OSU are splitting, K-State and KU are splitting.  Like I said earlier, the source has history as being an A+ source, should be announced on Thursday.



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« Reply #10562 on: September 08, 2011, 08:15:35 AM »
so apparently there is some guy named purplebookcat on the northwestern site or something. i guess he posted some stuff during the whole nebraska to the big10 thing that was spot on and came out way before anything else. anyway i guess he just posted this last night...




Earlier this evening, Notre Dame and Texas jointly presented the Big Ten Conference with their proposed terms of entry into the conference. These terms resulted from lengthy discussions among both schools and the Big Ten over the past several months.

The major items include:
1. The preservation of an eight game (plus championship) conference football schedule. Both ND and Texas wish to preserve rivalries with non-Big Ten universities on a regular basis. This would require the Big Ten to abandon its current plans of a 9 game conference schedule.
2. The staggering of the schedule to allow for mid-season scheduling with non-conference football opponents.
3. The preservation of the status quo conference makeup until approximately 2014, unless the Big XII fails to retain key (NOT including A&M) conference members. This will provide the member schools, acting in unison, with the greatest leverage negotiating ongoing television contracts, particularly with ESPN.
4. Should Texas depart the conference for the Big Ten before ND due to the further disintegration of the Big XII, ND will remain independent until approximately 2014
5. The Longhorn Network would remain independent until approximately 2014, at which point the network would become a part of an expanded Big Ten Network (specifically referred to as "BTN2"), likely either in partnership with Fox, NBC, or less likely ABC

The Big Ten just wrapped up a meeting to initially consider all of the terms presented by the schools, including the aforementioned.

Notably, there is a general discontent with the reporting of the situation by ESPN with specific regard to Texas. ESPN has, for self-serving purposes, drastically exaggerated the lean of Texas to the Pac12 conference in nearly all commentary. ESPN has essentially waged a propaganda campaign to drive support among the Texas stakeholders to the Pac12 conference. ESPN has gone so far as to attempt to accelerate the disintegration of the Big XII to pressure Texas into making an immediate conference change decision. Texas has steadfastly resisted change, and will do so until the appropriate time occurs for Texas to stand in a strong position to renegotiate television contracts, including with ESPN.

In reality, the preference expressed by Texas' relevant leadership is to depart the Big XII for the Big Ten at the time that gives Texas the greatest leverage in negotiating a new television rights deal. The Big Ten and Texas agreed that Texas should do what is best for Texas, which they also both agree is a move by Texas to join the Big Ten Conference. Delaney's top priority has been to create an environment for Texas and Notre Dame to join the conference on mutually benefical terms.

Notre Dame has an interest in preserving its traditional rivalries, three of which occur already in the Big Ten, and creating a new national rivalry with a traditional powerhouse. The Big Ten believes that ND prefers independence, but realizes that it will soon have no choice but to join a conference. The Big Ten also believes that ND is trying to position itself so that if it must join a conference, it does so on the most favorable terms possible. Hence the return to the 8 game schedule and a protected game with national power Texas. The Big Ten will attempt to create a mutually beneficial environment for ND that allows it to preserve a great deal of independence to retain all its traditional rivalries within the conference context.

The initial mood at the Big Ten to the terms provided by the two schools is "receptive."




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« Reply #10563 on: September 08, 2011, 08:17:59 AM »
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Mipp12 was the first one to post anything about Nebrasksa and Colorado leaving the B12 last year (3 days before anything about it was announced publicly) so he's a proven source.  He posted on the Oregon board that the K-State and OU will announce later today their intent to leave the B12.  Ultimately, OU and OSU are splitting, K-State and KU are splitting.  Like I said earlier, the source has history as being an A+ source, should be announced on Thursday.

who is Mipp12?  where is this from? phog?

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« Reply #10564 on: September 08, 2011, 08:18:48 AM »
so apparently there is some guy named purplebookcat on the northwestern site or something. i guess he posted some stuff during the whole nebraska to the big10 thing that was spot on and came out way before anything else. anyway i guess he just posted this last night...




Earlier this evening, Notre Dame and Texas jointly presented the Big Ten Conference with their proposed terms of entry into the conference. These terms resulted from lengthy discussions among both schools and the Big Ten over the past several months.

The major items include:
1. The preservation of an eight game (plus championship) conference football schedule. Both ND and Texas wish to preserve rivalries with non-Big Ten universities on a regular basis. This would require the Big Ten to abandon its current plans of a 9 game conference schedule.
2. The staggering of the schedule to allow for mid-season scheduling with non-conference football opponents.
3. The preservation of the status quo conference makeup until approximately 2014, unless the Big XII fails to retain key (NOT including A&M) conference members. This will provide the member schools, acting in unison, with the greatest leverage negotiating ongoing television contracts, particularly with ESPN.
4. Should Texas depart the conference for the Big Ten before ND due to the further disintegration of the Big XII, ND will remain independent until approximately 2014
5. The Longhorn Network would remain independent until approximately 2014, at which point the network would become a part of an expanded Big Ten Network (specifically referred to as "BTN2"), likely either in partnership with Fox, NBC, or less likely ABC

The Big Ten just wrapped up a meeting to initially consider all of the terms presented by the schools, including the aforementioned.

Notably, there is a general discontent with the reporting of the situation by ESPN with specific regard to Texas. ESPN has, for self-serving purposes, drastically exaggerated the lean of Texas to the Pac12 conference in nearly all commentary. ESPN has essentially waged a propaganda campaign to drive support among the Texas stakeholders to the Pac12 conference. ESPN has gone so far as to attempt to accelerate the disintegration of the Big XII to pressure Texas into making an immediate conference change decision. Texas has steadfastly resisted change, and will do so until the appropriate time occurs for Texas to stand in a strong position to renegotiate television contracts, including with ESPN.

In reality, the preference expressed by Texas' relevant leadership is to depart the Big XII for the Big Ten at the time that gives Texas the greatest leverage in negotiating a new television rights deal. The Big Ten and Texas agreed that Texas should do what is best for Texas, which they also both agree is a move by Texas to join the Big Ten Conference. Delaney's top priority has been to create an environment for Texas and Notre Dame to join the conference on mutually benefical terms.

Notre Dame has an interest in preserving its traditional rivalries, three of which occur already in the Big Ten, and creating a new national rivalry with a traditional powerhouse. The Big Ten believes that ND prefers independence, but realizes that it will soon have no choice but to join a conference. The Big Ten also believes that ND is trying to position itself so that if it must join a conference, it does so on the most favorable terms possible. Hence the return to the 8 game schedule and a protected game with national power Texas. The Big Ten will attempt to create a mutually beneficial environment for ND that allows it to preserve a great deal of independence to retain all its traditional rivalries within the conference context.

The initial mood at the Big Ten to the terms provided by the two schools is "receptive."

almost worth it to see NU crap themselves

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« Reply #10565 on: September 08, 2011, 08:25:04 AM »
1. The preservation of an eight game (plus championship) conference football schedule. Both ND and Texas wish to preserve rivalries with non-Big Ten universities on a regular basis. This would require the Big Ten to abandon its current plans of a 9 game conference schedule.

is big 10 still playing 9 game schedule with 12 teams?

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Sources say one of the options being looked at by Texas A&M right now would be to delay their departure from the Big 12 to the Southeastern Conference one year. Instead of joining the SEC in 2012 the Aggies would join the SEC in 2013.

It’s not what A&M wants, nor is it what the SEC wants (although there is more consensus than people think in the SEC about having no urgent need to expand - so potential SEC targets such as Virginia Tech, West Virginia and Missouri can really process their next move).

What could essentially amount to a year-long pause in realignment would give the Big 12 two years’ notice and get the Aggies and the SEC out of the legal crosshairs of the schools whose futures are most in doubt if the Big 12 dissolves, led by Baylor.

But just imagine what that means.

After all the rhetoric and rancor expressed in the league the past few weeks (the list of shots is growing so quickly, you almost need to expand your hard drive), it would mean two years of tension beyond description in the Big 12.

Between Baylor and Texas A&M; between Texas A&M and Texas; between Oklahoma and Baylor; Texas and Oklahoma; Oklahoma State (Boone Pickens) and all comers; as well as Texas A&M and the other Big 12 schools who have said they won’t waive their right to sue the SEC.

It would be two years of MMA type hype before every game because there would be REAL hatred between the fan bases of the combatants.

And it would also give the BCS conferences two years decide what they really want to do with college athletics.

Sources say the Pac-12 has indicated it would not expand unless the SEC moved first. So if Texas A&M-to-the-SEC is off the table for two more football seasons, there is a real chance the massive realignment that appeared so imminent just a couple days ago in college athletics could actually be thought out - for better or worse - over time.

All the scenarios about whom the SEC might add to get to 16; about whom the Pac-12 might add and how Texas and the Longhorn Network could or could not fit into a conference structure could be mulled over for weeks and months and not hours and days.

If the Big Ten came to Texas and said we will take you as a member and you can bring the Longhorn Network - with the only caveat being that Texas could not share in any of the revenue from the Big Ten Network, that could be deliberated and discussed thoughtfully.

If the brightest minds in the most powerful BCS conferences wanted to hold a private summit at the Broadmoor or Pinehurst and decide how they wanted to break away from the NCAA and form their own governing body to supervise whatever configuration the super conferences will look like, it could be done meticulously.

For the second year in a row, college athletics is facing massive realignment. This time it’s been, in large part, because the boards of regents at Texas A&M and Oklahoma decided enough was enough. A group of nine people - made up of professionals such as dentists and convenience store owners - were making the decisions about who would be playing in what conference and when.

Not a commissioner. Not a group of athletic directors. Not a group of people who spend every day thinking about the business of college athletics. A group of non-paid volunteers who are appointed to a regents board by that state’s governor.

Think about that for a second.

Sometimes these regents move at the behest of a governor’s agenda as opposed to an athletic director’s agenda. Nonetheless, they are the ones moving the chess pieces in realignment because there is no one watching over college athletics with EVERYONE’S best interests in mind.

In college athletics, it’s been every BCS conference for itself, ever since television in college football broke away from the NCAA’s purview back in 1984 in a landmark lawsuit.

If there is going to be mass chaos and rearranging in college athletics, why not take an extra year and draw up something solid for the future - if there is such a possibility?

Take Texas for instance. In the past two months, the Longhorns have gone from thinking life would be routine in the Big 12 with its new Longhorn Network to thinking they’d be in a 9-team Big 12 until a 10th member could be found.

Texas was on the Big 12 expansion committee charged with finding a replacement(s) for A&M (along with OU, Oklahoma State, Missouri and Kansas State). The list of potential targets for the Big 12 included BYU, Pittsburgh and Louisville with some discussion of how Notre Dame and/or Arkansas might possibly fit into the Big 12 down the road.

Then Oklahoma president David Boren sounded five alarms on Friday about OU possibly bolting the Big 12, and everyone left in the conference went from looking for replacements for A&M to making sure they’d have a chair when the music stopped.

Texas quickly surveyed what life would be like in the Pac-12, the conference it nearly joined a year ago (and, at the time, the personal preference of UT president Bill Powers, a Cal graduate). But it was clear Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott was not going to allow the Longhorns to move west with LHN intact.

So there was a cursory glance at the Atlantic Coast Conference if ESPN could possibly help make a marriage in which Texas could keep the LHN and join the ACC (because ESPN holds the TV rights to both the ACC and LHN).

But after looking at both the Pac-12 and ACC options, Texas’ administration became adamant about UT holding onto LHN, so the options turned to independence or perhaps something completely outside the box.

An outside the box option would be something like a conference such as the Big Ten allowing Texas to join the league and only make money off of LHN and not share revenue from the Big Ten Network. File that one away.

But when you have to make decisions that could impact your university for the next 100 years and have only a day or two to process it all, it’s crazy.

Sources close to Baylor say the Big East reached out to BU along with Kansas and Kansas State. Maybe so, maybe not. But the Bears didn’t want to take their chances. They have plans to renovate Floyd Casey Stadium with the millions they are promised starting next year in the Big 12, when their TV revenue jumps to between $17 million and $20 million.

Schools make as little as one third of that in leagues like the Mountain West and Conference USA. You’d be desperate too, to hang onto what you’ve got when you’re facing that reality.

Baylor wasn’t going to let that Big 12 paycheck go easily. And now they’ve been joined by the likes of Iowa State, Kansas and Kansas State in refusing to agree to a waiver of legal claims against the SEC. So here we are.

If Texas A&M is seriously looking at an option that would have the Aggies give the two years’ notice of departure to the Big 12, it would most likely just hold the Big 12 together long enough for everyone in college athletics to decide what the landscape should really look like.

Not the landscape dictated by the impulses of dentists and convenience store owners appointed to regents boards on a volunteer basis.

Stay tuned.
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« Reply #10567 on: September 08, 2011, 08:29:09 AM »
This may belong in another thread, but whatever:

What would it take to make the Big 12 "stable"? Just eliminating the LHN? Equal revenue for Tier 1 and Tier 2 media rights? Something else?

1 – members would have to agree to some kind of lengthy membership term w/ incredible punitive penalties for leaving (not just revenue lost).  I would guess revenue lost + 50million.  Something astronomical.

2 – equal revenue sharing (i.e. tier1,2,3 and tier 3 rights given to the conference) and the creation of a big 12 network.  It provides for an environment that would not only strengthen the conference membership and brand, but becomes enticing to other potential future members.  It would also give the perception (whether real or not) that texas isn’t running everything.

3 – removal of beebe.  Have to have a strong leader, and if everyone’s tv “rights” are now consolidated to the big 12 office, the commissioner then actually becomes a leadership role, which would then need a strong leader, one that isn’t a butt of all jokes.  

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« Reply #10568 on: September 08, 2011, 08:36:58 AM »
This may belong in another thread, but whatever:

What would it take to make the Big 12 "stable"? Just eliminating the LHN? Equal revenue for Tier 1 and Tier 2 media rights? Something else?

1 – members would have to agree to some kind of lengthy membership term w/ incredible punitive penalties for leaving (not just revenue lost).  I would guess revenue lost + 50million.  Something astronomical.

2 – equal revenue sharing (i.e. tier1,2,3 and tier 3 rights given to the conference) and the creation of a big 12 network.  It provides for an environment that would not only strengthen the conference membership and brand, but becomes enticing to other potential future members.  It would also give the perception (whether real or not) that texas isn’t running everything.

3 – removal of beebe.  Have to have a strong leader, and if everyone’s tv “rights” are now consolidated to the big 12 office, the commissioner then actually becomes a leadership role, which would then need a strong leader, one that isn’t a butt of all jokes.  


I don't know about 3.  If the big12 is still here in 10 years Beebe deserves a bronze statue on the Baylor, ISU, Tech, Ku/KSU campuses.  We can pose ours so he's shaking Ernie's hand!
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« Reply #10569 on: September 08, 2011, 08:38:06 AM »
Love how ol' chip writes "Stay Tuned." at the end of every article.

This may belong in another thread, but whatever:

What would it take to make the Big 12 "stable"? Just eliminating the LHN? Equal revenue for Tier 1 and Tier 2 media rights? Something else?

1 – members would have to agree to some kind of lengthy membership term w/ incredible punitive penalties for leaving (not just revenue lost).  I would guess revenue lost + 50million.  Something astronomical.

I don't think this will ever happen in any conference - it's basically the thing as an astronomical buyout for a basketball coach.

2 – equal revenue sharing (i.e. tier1,2,3 and tier 3 rights given to the conference) and the creation of a big 12 network.  It provides for an environment that would not only strengthen the conference membership and brand, but becomes enticing to other potential future members.  It would also give the perception (whether real or not) that texas isn’t running everything.

Does anyone share tier 3 rights equally? I'm pretty sure even the Big 10 lets schools retain third tier rights. Of course, the BTN is their tier 2, so that kind of makes it a moot point if you creat a B12 Network.

3 – removal of beebe.  Have to have a strong leader, and if everyone’s tv “rights” are now consolidated to the big 12 office, the commissioner then actually becomes a leadership role, which would then need a strong leader, one that isn’t a butt of all jokes.  

Maybe get back Weiberg? He went to my high school, maybe I can put in some calls.   :kstategrad:

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« Reply #10570 on: September 08, 2011, 08:41:33 AM »
This may belong in another thread, but whatever:

What would it take to make the Big 12 "stable"? Just eliminating the LHN? Equal revenue for Tier 1 and Tier 2 media rights? Something else?

I thought Tier 1 and 2 rights were now pretty evenly split under last year's deal, and the Tier 3 networks were where revenue was going to be differentiated (along with gate revenues). I'm pretty sure that the schools that are now whining (aTm and OU) are making plenty of money under the new system, and the LHN is the only bone of contention.

This isn't about money anymore, it's about the inferiority complex that every school in (or previously in) this conference has (except Texas). What it would take for this conference to survive is to eliminate inferiority complexes, which is impossible.

so apparently there is some guy named purplebookcat on the northwestern site or something. i guess he posted some stuff during the whole nebraska to the big10 thing that was spot on and came out way before anything else. anyway i guess he just posted this last night...




Earlier this evening, Notre Dame and Texas jointly presented the Big Ten Conference with their proposed terms of entry into the conference. These terms resulted from lengthy discussions among both schools and the Big Ten over the past several months.

The major items include:
1. The preservation of an eight game (plus championship) conference football schedule. Both ND and Texas wish to preserve rivalries with non-Big Ten universities on a regular basis. This would require the Big Ten to abandon its current plans of a 9 game conference schedule.
2. The staggering of the schedule to allow for mid-season scheduling with non-conference football opponents.
3. The preservation of the status quo conference makeup until approximately 2014, unless the Big XII fails to retain key (NOT including A&M) conference members. This will provide the member schools, acting in unison, with the greatest leverage negotiating ongoing television contracts, particularly with ESPN.
4. Should Texas depart the conference for the Big Ten before ND due to the further disintegration of the Big XII, ND will remain independent until approximately 2014
5. The Longhorn Network would remain independent until approximately 2014, at which point the network would become a part of an expanded Big Ten Network (specifically referred to as "BTN2"), likely either in partnership with Fox, NBC, or less likely ABC

The Big Ten just wrapped up a meeting to initially consider all of the terms presented by the schools, including the aforementioned.

Notably, there is a general discontent with the reporting of the situation by ESPN with specific regard to Texas. ESPN has, for self-serving purposes, drastically exaggerated the lean of Texas to the Pac12 conference in nearly all commentary. ESPN has essentially waged a propaganda campaign to drive support among the Texas stakeholders to the Pac12 conference. ESPN has gone so far as to attempt to accelerate the disintegration of the Big XII to pressure Texas into making an immediate conference change decision. Texas has steadfastly resisted change, and will do so until the appropriate time occurs for Texas to stand in a strong position to renegotiate television contracts, including with ESPN.

In reality, the preference expressed by Texas' relevant leadership is to depart the Big XII for the Big Ten at the time that gives Texas the greatest leverage in negotiating a new television rights deal. The Big Ten and Texas agreed that Texas should do what is best for Texas, which they also both agree is a move by Texas to join the Big Ten Conference. Delaney's top priority has been to create an environment for Texas and Notre Dame to join the conference on mutually benefical terms.

Notre Dame has an interest in preserving its traditional rivalries, three of which occur already in the Big Ten, and creating a new national rivalry with a traditional powerhouse. The Big Ten believes that ND prefers independence, but realizes that it will soon have no choice but to join a conference. The Big Ten also believes that ND is trying to position itself so that if it must join a conference, it does so on the most favorable terms possible. Hence the return to the 8 game schedule and a protected game with national power Texas. The Big Ten will attempt to create a mutually beneficial environment for ND that allows it to preserve a great deal of independence to retain all its traditional rivalries within the conference context.

The initial mood at the Big Ten to the terms provided by the two schools is "receptive."

almost worth it to see NU crap themselves


Don't really buy the ESPN details in this report, and therefore doubt its overall veracity.


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Mipp12 was the first one to post anything about Nebrasksa and Colorado leaving the B12 last year (3 days before anything about it was announced publicly) so he's a proven source.  He posted on the Oregon board that the K-State and OU will announce later today their intent to leave the B12.  Ultimately, OU and OSU are splitting, K-State and KU are splitting.  Like I said earlier, the source has history as being an A+ source, should be announced on Thursday.



Also don't buy, but certainly would be interesting to see. OU and KSU to PAC 16?   :bracketmouse:

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #10571 on: September 08, 2011, 08:43:00 AM »
The Big 12 should hire Bob Krause immediately.  I guarantee you crap would get done. 

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« Reply #10572 on: September 08, 2011, 08:44:10 AM »
1 – members would have to agree to some kind of lengthy membership term w/ incredible punitive penalties for leaving (not just revenue lost).  I would guess revenue lost + 50million.  Something astronomical.

I don't think this will ever happen in any conference - it's basically the thing as an astronomical buyout for a basketball coach.

agree.  i think this would be an impediment to getting the attractive schools like BYU, ND, etc. to join.  so a rule like this would work against long term stability.

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« Reply #10573 on: September 08, 2011, 08:45:18 AM »
If the big12 is still here in 10 years Beebe deserves a bronze statue on the Baylor, ISU, Tech, Ku/KSU campuses.  We can pose ours so he's shaking Ernie's hand!

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« Reply #10574 on: September 08, 2011, 08:46:24 AM »
This may belong in another thread, but whatever:

What would it take to make the Big 12 "stable"? Just eliminating the LHN? Equal revenue for Tier 1 and Tier 2 media rights? Something else?

I thought Tier 1 and 2 rights were now pretty evenly split under last year's deal, and the Tier 3 networks were where revenue was going to be differentiated (along with gate revenues). I'm pretty sure that the schools that are now whining (aTm and OU) are making plenty of money under the new system, and the LHN is the only bone of contention.

No, Tier 1 and 2 payouts are still affected by how often you get selected for Tier 1 and Tier 2 appearances. It is more balanced than it was, but still not equal.