Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....

[Katpappy]

420 and the Big 12 is still intact.  

??????

Sorry, got too involved listening to the band.  

[catzacker]

there hasn't been a report that (a) says UT is going to give up the LHN or (b) that OU is staying.



http://newsok.com/ou-official-denies-report-that-big-12-schools-want-sooners-to-commit-to-league/article/3602031?custom_click=headlines_widget

OU official denies report that Big 12 schools want Sooners to commit to league
 BY TRAVIS HANEY AND BERRY TRAMEL, Staff Writers, [email protected]; [email protected] Oklahoman     11 Published: September 7, 2011


NORMAN — Multiple reports Wednesday said some Big 12 schools would not sign a waiver to allow Texas A&M to go to the SEC unless Oklahoma committed to staying in the weakened conference, including an espn.com report that said all eight other schools in the league had banded together with such a stipulation.

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But Oklahoma State sources denied the report and reiterated OSU’s desire to maintain a strong relationship with OU.

The Waco Tribune earlier Wednesday reported that six schools – Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas State, Kansas, Missouri and Texas Tech – had made the same deal.

If that report is true, it is news to OU — which would seem odd, given the precarious position in which the school would occupy.

“I haven’t heard anything about this ‘group of 6,’” an OU official said Wednesday afternoon after the Waco Tribune report. After checking with colleagues at several other schools, the OU official said, all denied they were part of any kind of COLUSION.

Multiple reports out of Lubbock immediately said Texas Tech was not involved.

Texas A&M was set to officially announce its move to the SEC as early as Wednesday, but that was derailed when reports surfaced that Baylor was threatening to sue the SEC, should the Aggies join that conference as planned.

“We were notified (Tuesday) afternoon that at least one Big 12 institution had withdrawn its previous consent and was considering legal action,” said Florida president Bernie Machen, a chairman for the SEC’s leadership. “The SEC has stated that to consider an institution for membership, there must be no contractual hindrances to its departure.”

A report in the Des Moines Register on Wednesday said Iowa State would retain its right to legal action. A release from Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe’s office confirmed the league has no plans to restrict any school or schools’ choice of legal action. He made it clear, only, that the Big 12 would take no action. Since Texas A&M first became aggressive about going to the SEC, Oklahoma has been active in examining its options. School president David Boren broke his silence Friday, saying he expected a resolution, in one way or another, in the next couple of weeks.

“I don’t think there’s any chance OU is going to end up being a wallflower,” Boren said.

Once Texas A&M officially leaves, OU — and, as a byproduct, Oklahoma State — would be more in the clear to negotiate a potential move. Sources have said the Pac-12 is interested in both OU and OSU, independent of whatever Texas chooses to do.

[MakeItRain]

Why are any of these retards worried about being sued anyway?

yeah, I don't get it either.  all a lawsuit means (if it even gets to the courts) is a future settlement for probably a reasonable amount.  but it wouldn't preclude a team from leaving.  it's not like the court would say "hey, A&M/OU/OSU, you have to go back to a nonexistent big 12" in 2 years when this thing is actually settled.  

No but a judge could issue an injunction that says A&M you have to play in the Big 12 until all of this is settled and SEC you can't expand until this is settle.  Not likely, but SEC is basically saying they don't want to mess with that risk.

Yeah, no.  The suit would happen after the move is made and would be for damages.  

Wouldn't a potential lawsuit come after the conference move was announced but before play begins or schedules drawn up.  Could the SEC be concerned that this could be tied up in legal limbo potentially negatively impacting scheduling and the like?

That being said, IMO this just sounds like the SEC saying we like you, but you're not worth putting any effort forth to have you.

[nicname]

Why are any of these retards worried about being sued anyway?

yeah, I don't get it either.  all a lawsuit means (if it even gets to the courts) is a future settlement for probably a reasonable amount.  but it wouldn't preclude a team from leaving.  it's not like the court would say "hey, A&M/OU/OSU, you have to go back to a nonexistent big 12" in 2 years when this thing is actually settled.  

No but a judge could issue an injunction that says A&M you have to play in the Big 12 until all of this is settled and SEC you can't expand until this is settle.  Not likely, but SEC is basically saying they don't want to mess with that risk.

Yeah, no.  The suit would happen after the move is made and would be for damages.  

Wouldn't a potential lawsuit come after the conference move was announced but before play begins or schedules drawn up.  Could the SEC be concerned that this could be tied up in legal limbo potentially negatively impacting scheduling and the like?

That being said, IMO this just sounds like the SEC saying we like you, but you're not worth putting any effort forth to have you.

It also leaves an easy way out if the SEC had a change of heart.

[sonofdaxjones]

They can do what they want to us, but I am not going to stand here and listen to Aggy or the SEC bad mouth the United States of America.

[Trim]

Why are any of these retards worried about being sued anyway?

yeah, I don't get it either.  all a lawsuit means (if it even gets to the courts) is a future settlement for probably a reasonable amount.  but it wouldn't preclude a team from leaving.  it's not like the court would say "hey, A&M/OU/OSU, you have to go back to a nonexistent big 12" in 2 years when this thing is actually settled.  

No but a judge could issue an injunction that says A&M you have to play in the Big 12 until all of this is settled and SEC you can't expand until this is settle.  Not likely, but SEC is basically saying they don't want to mess with that risk.

Yeah, no.  The suit would happen after the move is made and would be for damages.  

Wouldn't a potential lawsuit come after the conference move was announced but before play begins or schedules drawn up.  Could the SEC be concerned that this could be tied up in legal limbo potentially negatively impacting scheduling and the like?

That being said, IMO this just sounds like the SEC saying we like you, but you're not worth putting any effort forth to have you.

Well, it's kind of done, in the sense that A&M has said they're out and the SEC has said they're in.  I don't see a court saying this is a situation without a remedy and thus you have to go work with the party you're in litigation with in the meantime.  A&M isn't knocking down a historic building or something.  Maybe them leaving, if it's even wrong at all, will result in Big 12 leftovers losing money.  If it's found to be improper, A&M will have to pay.  Probably not a specific performance kind of thing.  

[doom]

Why are any of these retards worried about being sued anyway?

yeah, I don't get it either.  all a lawsuit means (if it even gets to the courts) is a future settlement for probably a reasonable amount.  but it wouldn't preclude a team from leaving.  it's not like the court would say "hey, A&M/OU/OSU, you have to go back to a nonexistent big 12" in 2 years when this thing is actually settled.  

No but a judge could issue an injunction that says A&M you have to play in the Big 12 until all of this is settled and SEC you can't expand until this is settle.  Not likely, but SEC is basically saying they don't want to mess with that risk.

Yeah, no.  The suit would happen after the move is made and would be for damages.  

Wouldn't a potential lawsuit come after the conference move was announced but before play begins or schedules drawn up.  Could the SEC be concerned that this could be tied up in legal limbo potentially negatively impacting scheduling and the like?

That being said, IMO this just sounds like the SEC saying we like you, but you're not worth putting any effort forth to have you.

Well, it's kind of done, in the sense that A&M has said they're out and the SEC has said they're in.  I don't see a court saying this is a situation without a remedy and thus you have to go work with the party you're in litigation with in the meantime.  A&M isn't knocking down a historic building or something.  Maybe them leaving, if it's even wrong at all, will result in Big 12 leftovers losing money.  If it's found to be improper, A&M will have to pay.  Probably not a specific performance kind of thing.  

SEC said they are in if they meet a stipulation they will never meet.   

[catzacker]

guys, guys, guys...let's keep the focus on how OU still wants to go to the Pac-12.

[Trim]

SEC said they are in if they meet a stipulation they will never meet.  

I know.  The SEC is a collective pussy one way or the other.  They're either scared of a theoretical lawsuit from a bunch of losers, or they're scared to tell A&M they don't want the weirdos in the conference.

[Panjandrum]

guys, guys, guys...let's keep the focus on how OU still wants to go to the Pac-12.

What do you want to bet that they re-commit to the Big 12 within a week at the latest?

Moving to the Pac makes zero sense for them.  This farce will be over with soon enough.

[catzacker]

OU better f'ing be all in.  

http://auburn.247sports.com/Board/42/Deal-Reached-AM-officially-headed-to-SEC-4123430

The incredibly long, drawn-out process of Texas A&M leaving the Big 12 looks like it's finally over.

According to BearsTruth.com’s Brian Ethridge, Texas A&M will be allowed to go to the Southeastern Conference as a deal has been reached between the remaining nine members of the Big 12 that will remove the specter of a potential lawsuit.

This comes after an 11th-hour hurdle was put in the way of A&M being officially accepted as the 13th school in the SEC. Late last night the SEC was notified that not all of the remaining nine Big 12 schools would sign a waiver stating there would be no legal action taken against the SEC for accepting Texas A&M.

Baylor was believed to be the school leading the charge of this last-ditch effort to keep A&M in the Big 12.

According to Ethridge, although it is unlikely that a waiver will ever be signed by all remaining members of the Big 12, the institutions are willing to be party to a gentlemen’s agreement so long as the SEC does not attempt to or agree to poach another school from the Big 12.

The lone remaining obstacle for Texas A&M will be if the SEC demands a written waiver by each Big 12 institution. If the SEC isn't content with just a verbal, gentlemen's agreement they still have the right to deny the Aggies entrance to the conference.

The Aggies were scheduled to be accepted into their new conference today, and had a deadline of tomorrow (Thursday) at 5 p.m.

Missouri and Oklahoma are two schools that have been rumored to be attractive to the Southeastern Conference, but at this time it doesn't appear the two institutions have plans on going to the SEC.

The Southeastern Conference is not the only threat to the longevity of the Big 12, however. Over the last few days rumors of Oklahoma's interest in heading west to the Pac-12 have been growing. Reportedly, the agreement is also contingent on Oklahoma staying in the Big 12, thus keeping the conference sustainable. Hookem.com continues to believe the Sooners (and the Longhorns, for that matter) still view holding the Big 12 together the best option.

Presidents and athletic directors of the remaining nine Big 12 schools have said repeatedly their primary goal is to keep the Big 12 alive by adding at least one more university in the not too distant future. At this point, that is believed to still be the goal despite the growing rumors of Oklahoma's interest in the Pac-12

[Trim]

guys, guys, guys...let's keep the focus on how OU still wants to go to the Pac-12.

They can if they want.  Seems dumb.

[pike]

Man. I wonder what tomorrow has in store?

[Trim]

OU better f'ing be all in. 

http://auburn.247sports.com/Board/42/Deal-Reached-AM-officially-headed-to-SEC-4123430

The incredibly long, drawn-out process of Texas A&M leaving the Big 12 looks like it's finally over.

According to BearsTruth.com’s Brian Ethridge, Texas A&M will be allowed to go to the Southeastern Conference as a deal has been reached between the remaining nine members of the Big 12 that will remove the specter of a potential lawsuit.

This comes after an 11th-hour hurdle was put in the way of A&M being officially accepted as the 13th school in the SEC. Late last night the SEC was notified that not all of the remaining nine Big 12 schools would sign a waiver stating there would be no legal action taken against the SEC for accepting Texas A&M.

Baylor was believed to be the school leading the charge of this last-ditch effort to keep A&M in the Big 12.

According to Ethridge, although it is unlikely that a waiver will ever be signed by all remaining members of the Big 12, the institutions are willing to be party to a gentlemen’s agreement so long as the SEC does not attempt to or agree to poach another school from the Big 12.

The lone remaining obstacle for Texas A&M will be if the SEC demands a written waiver by each Big 12 institution. If the SEC isn't content with just a verbal, gentlemen's agreement they still have the right to deny the Aggies entrance to the conference.

The Aggies were scheduled to be accepted into their new conference today, and had a deadline of tomorrow (Thursday) at 5 p.m.

Missouri and Oklahoma are two schools that have been rumored to be attractive to the Southeastern Conference, but at this time it doesn't appear the two institutions have plans on going to the SEC.

The Southeastern Conference is not the only threat to the longevity of the Big 12, however. Over the last few days rumors of Oklahoma's interest in heading west to the Pac-12 have been growing. Reportedly, the agreement is also contingent on Oklahoma staying in the Big 12, thus keeping the conference sustainable. Hookem.com continues to believe the Sooners (and the Longhorns, for that matter) still view holding the Big 12 together the best option.

Presidents and athletic directors of the remaining nine Big 12 schools have said repeatedly their primary goal is to keep the Big 12 alive by adding at least one more university in the not too distant future. At this point, that is believed to still be the goal despite the growing rumors of Oklahoma's interest in the Pac-12

 

[WillieWatanabe]

I'm sure OU will try to leverage some things outta this deal before they commit. I really don't know what else they could want though.

[doom]

would be stupid of the rest of the member schools to make a verbal agreement, unless ou had given some assurances, but then again we are the big 12

[AbeFroman]

JaredtheCougrFn: Breaking: MWC commish left 2 msg ystrday w/ BU & IA St. The legal threats against aTm came w/in 15 mins of those calls.

lol

Jesus tittyfucking Christ even MWC is poaching our teams now.

[Panjandrum]

I'm sure OU will try to leverage some things outta this deal before they commit. I really don't know what else they could want though.

They want 12 teams.  Just spitballing, but that may be an issue with Texas.

[doom]

I'm sure OU will try to leverage some things outta this deal before they commit. I really don't know what else they could want though.

They want 12 teams.  Just spitballing, but that may be an issue with Texas.

so is 16 teams and dumping their network, which is what they get in the pac-16, so they may as well dump their network, and play the retards they know and love.

[kim carnes]

OU better f'ing be all in.  

http://auburn.247sports.com/Board/42/Deal-Reached-AM-officially-headed-to-SEC-4123430

The incredibly long, drawn-out process of Texas A&M leaving the Big 12 looks like it's finally over.

According to BearsTruth.com’s Brian Ethridge, Texas A&M will be allowed to go to the Southeastern Conference as a deal has been reached between the remaining nine members of the Big 12 that will remove the specter of a potential lawsuit.

This comes after an 11th-hour hurdle was put in the way of A&M being officially accepted as the 13th school in the SEC. Late last night the SEC was notified that not all of the remaining nine Big 12 schools would sign a waiver stating there would be no legal action taken against the SEC for accepting Texas A&M.

Baylor was believed to be the school leading the charge of this last-ditch effort to keep A&M in the Big 12.

According to Ethridge, although it is unlikely that a waiver will ever be signed by all remaining members of the Big 12, the institutions are willing to be party to a gentlemen’s agreement so long as the SEC does not attempt to or agree to poach another school from the Big 12.

The lone remaining obstacle for Texas A&M will be if the SEC demands a written waiver by each Big 12 institution. If the SEC isn't content with just a verbal, gentlemen's agreement they still have the right to deny the Aggies entrance to the conference.

The Aggies were scheduled to be accepted into their new conference today, and had a deadline of tomorrow (Thursday) at 5 p.m.

Missouri and Oklahoma are two schools that have been rumored to be attractive to the Southeastern Conference, but at this time it doesn't appear the two institutions have plans on going to the SEC.

The Southeastern Conference is not the only threat to the longevity of the Big 12, however. Over the last few days rumors of Oklahoma's interest in heading west to the Pac-12 have been growing. Reportedly, the agreement is also contingent on Oklahoma staying in the Big 12, thus keeping the conference sustainable. Hookem.com continues to believe the Sooners (and the Longhorns, for that matter) still view holding the Big 12 together the best option.

Presidents and athletic directors of the remaining nine Big 12 schools have said repeatedly their primary goal is to keep the Big 12 alive by adding at least one more university in the not too distant future. At this point, that is believed to still be the goal despite the growing rumors of Oklahoma's interest in the Pac-12

That article seems like fubar.  imo

[theKSU]

The LHN is and always was a dumb idea anyway.  I just wonder what motivated Texas to try to do it in the first place.  Did they think that was going to be the thing to finally give them the upper hand on OU?  It's not like Texas is desperate for money, and having a network that basically amounts to Austin Public Access wasn't going to push them over the top.  

In the end I think all of these schools that are whoring themselves out to the highest bidder are basically just doing it as an ego trip.  Texas had the most options so they are being the most over the top about it.  I'll be happy if OU calls their bluff and reels them in a little bit.  

[Dub]

The LHN is and always was a dumb idea anyway.  I just wonder what motivated Texas to try to do it in the first place.  Did they think that was going to be the thing to finally give them the upper hand on OU?  It's not like Texas is desperate for money, and having a network that basically amounts to Austin Public Access wasn't going to push them over the top.  

In the end I think all of these schools that are whoring themselves out to the highest bidder are basically just doing it as an ego trip.  Texas had the most options so they are being the most over the top about it.  I'll be happy if OU calls their bluff and reels them in a little bit.  

Or.... ESPN while bringing a boatload of money.  Look at Ponzi people, do they stop at 10 billion... or get greedy and go for 10x that amount.  Someone once said when you have too much money, it isn't enough.

[kim carnes]

The LHN is and always was a dumb idea anyway.  I just wonder what motivated Texas to try to do it in the first place.  Did they think that was going to be the thing to finally give them the upper hand on OU?  It's not like Texas is desperate for money, and having a network that basically amounts to Austin Public Access wasn't going to push them over the top.  

In the end I think all of these schools that are whoring themselves out to the highest bidder are basically just doing it as an ego trip.  Texas had the most options so they are being the most over the top about it.  I'll be happy if OU calls their bluff and reels them in a little bit.  

u dumb

[Dugout DickStone]

The lawsuit would be filed in Texas, and the damages alleged would be in the Billions (with a B).  No Texas judge would give up jurisdiction without 2 years of appellate court arguments and Texas juries are very genrous in assesing damages.

SEC is damn right in being scared, and ATM simply isn't worth that potential.  SEC would take the risk for UT, not for ATM.

[MadCat]

The lawsuit would be filed in Texas, and the damages alleged would be in the Billions (with a B).  No Texas judge would give up jurisdiction without 2 years of appellate court arguments and Texas juries are very genrous in assesing damages.

SEC is damn right in being scared, and ATM simply isn't worth that potential.  SEC would take the risk for UT, not for ATM.

Can Texas universities be sued in Texas?  I thought Mike Leach showed us the answer to this.