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« Reply #9250 on: September 03, 2011, 08:51:04 AM »
Today is kind of ruined for me.  Just want to cry.  :cry:

I find it exciting.

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« Reply #9251 on: September 03, 2011, 08:51:10 AM »
It's really happening....

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« Reply #9252 on: September 03, 2011, 08:51:37 AM »
P.S.

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« Reply #9253 on: September 03, 2011, 08:51:52 AM »
this is what i figured would happen last year.  we end up in some bastardized league, just no elite/marquee football school.  

And to keep BCS status, lower standards (academic) push for TCU/Boise St/Houston/UL/BYU (or) Air Force.  I believe as a whole our conference has to have some kind of BCS avg ranking to keep the status.

grabbing straws :facepalm:

I think if this blows up Dan Bebee needs to absolutely be transitioned out.
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« Reply #9254 on: September 03, 2011, 08:55:22 AM »
All other lack of realism aside, why would they split the money pool up 18 ways instead of 16 with two extra schools that will bring nothing to the table.

KU and KSU add definite value. We haven't been in a BCS conference solely based on the charity of the other members.

not enough value to pay for ourselves, so to speak.  if this was a company, we'd be essentially an expense center (i.e. accounting department) while others are revenue centers (sales, business development).  which doesn't mean you don't need accounting, it just means that accounting is easy to replace.



Using that argument, Washington State, Arizona, and Oregon State bring nothing to the table, either. Why doesn't the rest of Pac 12 just kick them out to get a bigger piece of the pie?

that argument still fits.  they (like us) are easily replaceable, when it makes sense.  for example, if the big 12 was the strong conference and expanding by taking Pac-12 members, we'd be like "why the f do we (big12) need oregon state?".   when in actuality there isn't much difference between us and them. 

So why not just replace those three with OU, UT, and MU? Bigger pieces of the pie for everyone left.

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« Reply #9255 on: September 03, 2011, 08:56:12 AM »
All other lack of realism aside, why would they split the money pool up 18 ways instead of 16 with two extra schools that will bring nothing to the table.

KU and KSU add definite value. We haven't been in a BCS conference solely based on the charity of the other members.

not enough value to pay for ourselves, so to speak.  if this was a company, we'd be essentially an expense center (i.e. accounting department) while others are revenue centers (sales, business development).  which doesn't mean you don't need accounting, it just means that accounting is easy to replace.



Using that argument, Washington State, Arizona, and Oregon State bring nothing to the table, either. Why doesn't the rest of Pac 12 just kick them out to get a bigger piece of the pie?

Because, there is currently no reason to in the PAC.  It's a healthy company and the partners that lead the profit centers are generating enough revenue to keep the interns on staff.  

And as much as they may want to, in their heart of hearts, ditch some hanger ons like WSU or OSU, unfortunately, kicking schools out is essentially impossible because of the legal and political ramifications.

We're not going to be kicked out, we're just going to be abandoned when the boss tenders his resignation to join Newco and doesn't recruit us to come along.

By the way, I agree that we do have value.  Just not very much in terms of the things that are important in the current landscape and our strategic alliances suck (maybe most important).  We don't have an OU or Texas to latch ourselves to like Okie State or Tech.

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« Reply #9256 on: September 03, 2011, 08:57:29 AM »


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« Reply #9257 on: September 03, 2011, 08:58:17 AM »
All other lack of realism aside, why would they split the money pool up 18 ways instead of 16 with two extra schools that will bring nothing to the table.

KU and KSU add definite value. We haven't been in a BCS conference solely based on the charity of the other members.

not enough value to pay for ourselves, so to speak.  if this was a company, we'd be essentially an expense center (i.e. accounting department) while others are revenue centers (sales, business development).  which doesn't mean you don't need accounting, it just means that accounting is easy to replace.



Using that argument, Washington State, Arizona, and Oregon State bring nothing to the table, either. Why doesn't the rest of Pac 12 just kick them out to get a bigger piece of the pie?

Because, there is currently no reason to in the PAC.  It's a healthy company and the partners that lead the profit centers are generating enough revenue to keep the interns on staff. 

More revenue for everyone involved is a good reason.

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« Reply #9258 on: September 03, 2011, 09:04:49 AM »
Also, you can make the case for KU and KSU bringing in enough to make it make sense. Going from 16 to 18 teams doesn't make everyone's slice of the pie much smaller. Brings the KC market, (which isn't the best, but it is still a top 30 market). Also brings more opportunities for UT and OU to have more central time zone games, keeping them a little happier and bringing in better ratings. You can't say with any certainty that it would not make fiscal sense to add two more teams in the central time zone.

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« Reply #9259 on: September 03, 2011, 09:05:55 AM »
All other lack of realism aside, why would they split the money pool up 18 ways instead of 16 with two extra schools that will bring nothing to the table.

KU and KSU add definite value. We haven't been in a BCS conference solely based on the charity of the other members.

not enough value to pay for ourselves, so to speak.  if this was a company, we'd be essentially an expense center (i.e. accounting department) while others are revenue centers (sales, business development).  which doesn't mean you don't need accounting, it just means that accounting is easy to replace.



Using that argument, Washington State, Arizona, and Oregon State bring nothing to the table, either. Why doesn't the rest of Pac 12 just kick them out to get a bigger piece of the pie?

Because, there is currently no reason to in the PAC.  It's a healthy company and the partners that lead the profit centers are generating enough revenue to keep the interns on staff. 

More revenue for everyone involved is a good reason.

Agreed, in an ideal scenario.  But, we're not taking into account the anti-trust, legal, political problems that this would cause by unlitaterally voting conference members out based upon performance causes.

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« Reply #9260 on: September 03, 2011, 09:09:30 AM »
Also, you can make the case for KU and KSU bringing in enough to make it make sense. Going from 16 to 18 teams doesn't make everyone's slice of the pie much smaller. Brings the KC market, (which isn't the best, but it is still a top 30 market). Also brings more opportunities for UT and OU to have more central time zone games, keeping them a little happier and bringing in better ratings. You can't say with any certainty that it would not make fiscal sense to add two more teams in the central time zone.

You're right.  I think Texas and OU would see some value in keeping KU/KSU from a conference geography standpoint.  That's the one benefit I see in essentially creating a Western and Eastern 9 team division that all virtually compete in proximity to one another.
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« Reply #9261 on: September 03, 2011, 09:10:55 AM »
its like I don't want to admit we're mumped even though we're bent over chained to the bed and there's a guy standing behind us with a raging hard on. There's ky on the night stand but he doesn't seem to care!
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« Reply #9262 on: September 03, 2011, 09:17:34 AM »
PAC 18 would be great...if Baylor wasn't going to interfere.

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« Reply #9263 on: September 03, 2011, 09:21:06 AM »
Also, you can make the case for KU and KSU bringing in enough to make it make sense. Going from 16 to 18 teams doesn't make everyone's slice of the pie much smaller. Brings the KC market, (which isn't the best, but it is still a top 30 market). Also brings more opportunities for UT and OU to have more central time zone games, keeping them a little happier and bringing in better ratings. You can't say with any certainty that it would not make fiscal sense to add two more teams in the central time zone.

You're right.  I think Texas and OU would see some value in keeping KU/KSU from a conference geography standpoint.  That's the one benefit I see in essentially creating a Western and Eastern 9 team division that all virtually compete in proximity to one another.


Another reason this might be appealing to the Pac 10 is they have kept the Thursday/Saturday travel partner basketball schedule along with restrictions on start times because of academics, even though this hurt their TV contract in the past (I do not know if this changed with their most recent deal). But Texas would probably be have to be the driver of this. If they can bring along Tech and OU can bring along OSU they could probably bring along two more for the ride (if they wanted).

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« Reply #9264 on: September 03, 2011, 09:33:55 AM »
doesn't feel like a gameday right now to me.  i prefer my conference armageddons to take place in June.

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« Reply #9265 on: September 03, 2011, 10:25:45 AM »
Also, you can make the case for KU and KSU bringing in enough to make it make sense. Going from 16 to 18 teams doesn't make everyone's slice of the pie much smaller. Brings the KC market, (which isn't the best, but it is still a top 30 market). Also brings more opportunities for UT and OU to have more central time zone games, keeping them a little happier and bringing in better ratings. You can't say with any certainty that it would not make fiscal sense to add two more teams in the central time zone.

You're right.  I think Texas and OU would see some value in keeping KU/KSU from a conference geography standpoint.  That's the one benefit I see in essentially creating a Western and Eastern 9 team division that all virtually compete in proximity to one another.

This is the reason it is somewhat plausible.  More CST inventory.  Also minimizes uproar of leaving teams out.  18 team conferences increases BCS membership, minimizing risk of government impeding this from happening.

It's insurance to make sure they don't strike out this time.

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« Reply #9266 on: September 03, 2011, 10:27:52 AM »
pac 18 with 3 six team pods sounds delightful.

ksu, ku, osu, ou, ut, tech

ua, asu, cu, utah, usc, ucla

cal, stanford, osu, uo, uw, wsu


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« Reply #9267 on: September 03, 2011, 10:29:13 AM »
pac 18 with 3 six team pods sounds delightful.

ksu, ku, osu, ou, ut, tech, baylor

ua, asu, cu, utah, usc, ucla

cal, stanford, osu, uo, uw, wsu



FYP....that's how it would go down.

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« Reply #9268 on: September 03, 2011, 10:34:49 AM »
pac 18 with 3 six team pods sounds delightful.

ksu, ku, osu, ou, ut, tech, baylor

ua, asu, cu, utah, usc, ucla

cal, stanford, osu, uo, uw, wsu



Yep.  I'd like to pretend it wouldn't happen that way, sort of like I'd like to pretend our enrollment and research grants won't be cut in half when we're demoted to the MWC.



FYP....that's how it would go down.
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« Reply #9269 on: September 03, 2011, 10:49:03 AM »
pac 18 with 3 six team pods sounds delightful.

ksu, ku, osu, ou, ut, tech, baylor

ua, asu, cu, utah, usc, ucla

cal, stanford, osu, uo, uw, wsu



FYP....that's how it would go down.

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« Reply #9270 on: September 03, 2011, 10:54:52 AM »
KU would have more trouble leaving behind ksu than Texas would have leaving behind Baylor. And ku-ksu is more attractive to the pac than ku-bu.

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« Reply #9271 on: September 03, 2011, 11:01:23 AM »
are there any explicitly atheist schools?  :ck: perhaps we can disavow all religion, maybe stanford and cal will like us more then.
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« Reply #9272 on: September 03, 2011, 11:04:13 AM »
KU would have more trouble leaving behind ksu than Texas would have leaving behind Baylor. And ku-ksu is more attractive to the pac than ku-bu.

don't agree with the first sentence, agree with the second sentence (although i think it would be rather moot because I don't think the idea of a 18 team conference is one that the existing pac-12 members would want).

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« Reply #9273 on: September 03, 2011, 11:27:39 AM »
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Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe convened a conference call late Friday afternoon with a handful of his conference's presidents to discuss the increasing possibility that Oklahoma wants to bolt the Big 12 for the Pac-12, multiple sources said.

Texas president Bill Powers, Oklahoma president David Boren and Texas A&M president R. Bowen Loftin were excluded from the call, sources said. But Beebe advised the other presidents in the Big 12 to "work on Texas" to get the Longhorns to stay in the Big 12, sources said.

It's Beebe's belief that if Texas refuses to go to the Pac-12 that Oklahoma would not get a bid from the Pac-12, sources said. But another source close to the situation said if Oklahoma and Oklahoma State indicated to the Pac-12 that they wanted to be a part of that league, they would be admitted.

Beebe released a statement to Orangebloods.com Friday night that said, "We continue to work hard for the long-term stability of the Big 12 Conference."

Boren dropped a bombshell on Friday when he said no one has been more active than the Sooners in surveying their options for the future and that OU would be no wallflower.

"At this point in time, I'll be very honest with you in saying I do not know with certainty, or perhaps even can't hazard a totally intelligent guess as to what our final decision will be," Boren told reporters. "But we are carefully looking over all the options. We are ? there's no school more active in the Big 12 more active than we are right now."

Sources said the Longhorns have been actively working to hold the Big 12 together. Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds and OU athletic director Joe Castiglione are on the five-member Big 12 expansion committee charged with looking for new members to join the Big 12. But if Oklahoma bolts, Texas would consider the Big 12 dead and probably follow the Sooners to the Pac-12.

When I texted a key source close to Texas Friday night if the Longhorns were preparing to head to the Pac-12 with Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech, the source texted back, "Leaning that way." The source later said there was a "50 to 60 percent" chance those schools would end up in the Pac-12.

Any move by Texas to the Pac-12 would not be an easy one. First, there is the issue of the Longhorn Network. No schools in the Pac-12 are allowed to have their own network. Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott has set up a series of regional networks that partner two schools together to share revenue from third-tier rights with each other and with the Pac-12.

So Texas' Longhorn Network, which launched on Aug. 26 and still can't even be seen by most of the Lone Star State, would likely have to be turned into one of the Pac-12's regional networks (and most likely partner with Texas Tech).

And that could mean Texas basically tearing up the 20-year, $300 million deal it just inked with ESPN and giving up its riches.

An industry source with direct knowledge of the Longhorn Network said turning LHN into a regional network in the Pac-12 would be "very difficult." When I asked if it was impossible, the source said, "After last year, I don't subscribe to that word anymore."

That source doubted Texas was going anywhere. That source also doubted that Oklahoma would go anywhere without Texas.

Sources said Texas officials told them last year the Longhorns were reluctant to go to the Pac-12 because they would lose a lot of the power they enjoy in the Big 12. The sources said Texas feared being out-voted and muscled in the Pac-12 by the power brokers in that conference - the original Pac-8 (USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State).

But Texas' move to the Pac-12 would also be difficult because of the legislative heat the Longhorns would likely face. Legislative sources said Friday night that part of the reason Texas A&M was allowed to withdraw from the Big 12 was because of assurances from the rest of the Big 12 that the league would survive.

Now that it appears the Big 12 is in serious jeopardy, lawmakers will not be so passive, sources said.

Two Big 12 sources said if Oklahoma and Texas are preparing to lead a charge to the Pac-12 there would almost certainly be a tortious interference lawsuit filed against the Southeastern Conference. That's if Texas A&M indeed submits its application for membership to the SEC next Tuesday or Wednesday as expected, according to sources.

"Texas A&M leaving has started this whole thing," one source said. "There is a big-time lawsuit here."

The potential of such legal action and the real possibility the Big 12 could collapse prompted another Big 12 source to wonder if the SEC would now hesitate to accept Texas A&M, considering the fallout that could befall the Big 12.

Messages left with officials from Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech as well as Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott were not returned Friday night.

Stay tuned.

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« Reply #9274 on: September 03, 2011, 11:41:02 AM »
Everyone is too worried, DeLoss loves us and will bring us along , like a rich bitch walks her pet terrier

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