Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....

[nicname]

Did you quote the wrong post?  What the hell are you talking about here, seriously?  The point is the Pac can't leverage UT because they can go to the SEC, Big 10, or go indy.  I have no idea what your post means.

I think some around here are putting UT on a bit higher of a pedestal than they are worthy of.  I, for one would love to UT go indy, it would be a laugh riot.

On a higher pedestal than they are worthy?  Who the hell is higher?  UT had the highest revenues in the country before the LHN.  UT is right in the middle of the second most highly populated state in the country.  The only state that is growing as fast as Texas is Arizona.  UT has led merchandise sales six years in a row.  There is no bigger fish than the University of Texas-Austin.

You aren't telling me anything I don't already know.  The fact remains that Texas needs a conference, they don't have what it takes to go the independent route.  No other major conference would concede added revenue right to Texas like the Big 12 did.  Texas is big and they have a lot of money.  That doesn't mean you have to bend over to them.

[Panjandrum]

Did you quote the wrong post?  What the hell are you talking about here, seriously?  The point is the Pac can't leverage UT because they can go to the SEC, Big 10, or go indy.  I have no idea what your post means.

I think some around here are putting UT on a bit higher of a pedestal than they are worthy of.  I, for one would love to UT go indy, it would be a laugh riot.

On a higher pedestal than they are worthy?  Who the hell is higher?  UT had the highest revenues in the country before the LHN.  UT is right in the middle of the second most highly populated state in the country.  The only state that is growing as fast as Texas is Arizona.  UT has led merchandise sales six years in a row.  There is no bigger fish than the University of Texas-Austin.

They have kind of tethered themselves to the LHN.  The economic incentive is to find a way to make it work, and to do so in it's current incarnation requires the Big 12.  So they have a vested interest in keeping the conference alive.

OU doesn't have that problem.  They can go wherever they want, and for UT to keep the conference alive that allows such lucrative deals, they need OU.  So, in a way, OU has some leverage because they have a say in whether or not UT can have the Deathstar of all TV deals or not*.

*Unless UT goes independent, which seems low on their list of desired outcomes.

[nicname]

UT would flop around like a banked fish if they went independent.  UT is definitely the villain in all of this, but they don't deserve the blame.  The blame lands on the rest of the schools in the big8/12. Despite what anyone says, UT needed the Big 8 just as much as the Big 8 needed UT. In the beginning they could of held their ground as a CONFERENCE, instead other schools got greedy as well and let other agendas get in the way.  People always talk about doing what's best for the school, but the successful conferences put conference first and then reap the individual rewards as well, not just athletically but academically.

UT isn't bigger than the other 11 members of the conference collectively. They never were.

[Cackle]

UT would flop around like a banked fish if they went independent.  UT is definitely the villain in all of this, but they don't deserve the blame.  The blame lands on the rest of the schools in the big8/12. Despite what anyone says, UT needed the Big 8 just as much as the Big 8 needed UT. In the beginning they could of held their ground as a CONFERENCE, instead other schools got greedy as well and let other agendas get in the way.  People always talk about doing what's best for the school, but the successful conferences put conference first and then reap the individual rewards as well, not just athletically but academically.

UT isn't bigger than the other 11 members of the conference collectively. They never were.

you might be right.

but they're probably bigger than everyone else if you take OU out imo

[nicname]

UT would flop around like a banked fish if they went independent.  UT is definitely the villain in all of this, but they don't deserve the blame.  The blame lands on the rest of the schools in the big8/12. Despite what anyone says, UT needed the Big 8 just as much as the Big 8 needed UT. In the beginning they could of held their ground as a CONFERENCE, instead other schools got greedy as well and let other agendas get in the way.  People always talk about doing what's best for the school, but the successful conferences put conference first and then reap the individual rewards as well, not just athletically but academically.

UT isn't bigger than the other 11 members of the conference collectively. They never were.

Oh we're all mumped now.  They are bigger than the little 7 (not counting OU) by a ways now. 
you might be right.

but they're probably bigger than everyone else if you take OU out imo

[wabash909]

Looks like Afred E Newman is starting to worry.

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It appears K-State is still trying to separate fact from fiction. If OU president David Boren wanted to end the Big 12, he may have succeeded tonight. I just don't get it. I'm sure K-State officials are working to secure the best possible outcome for KSU.



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["storm"nut]

Can't wait to hear what the polo, suite sitting tucks will have to say after getting there one on one, I donate Billions of dollars to this program meetings with Currie.

I predict a lot of. "I talked to the man and he says nothing to worry about"

[deputy dawg]

Baylor wouldn't have enough legislative pull to go up against UT and Tech. This isn't 1996, Ann Richards isn't in the halls of power anymore. Baylor would just have to get a MWC invite, no way the legislature would tie UT's hands for BU.


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///willfaptothoughttonightanyway

Well, if you're going with sixteen, you may as well go with eighteen.  I mean, if you're going to essentially marry two separate conferences, nine in each division means an eight game conference schedule with four non-con games.

Leib has a point, though.  Each Pac team has a travel buddy.  I never really thought of that.  Washington/Washington State, Oregon/Oregon State, Arizona/Arizona State, SC/UCLA, Cal/Stanford, Colorado/Utah, Texas/Tech, OU/OSU, KU/KSU.

I mean, it does follow the model.  Mizzou will go to the SEC or Big Ten if it all goes to Hell anyway.  KU will fight for us over them without a doubt.  

Don't forget about Dodds.  The dude is actually pretty EMAW.  And didn't OK mention the other day that Castiglione oddly mentioned us and KU by name as schools they don't want to separate with?

Dodds is out of EMAW, and ku wants to hang on the coattails of Moo to try to find the best conference home.  They would LOVE to throw us under the bus, if they could.

[wabash909]

Yeah, K-State being inluded in an 18 team PAC is about as realistic as Notre Dame joining the Big XII.

All other lack of realism aside, why would they split the money pool up 18 ways instead of 16 with two extra schools that will bring nothing to the table.

This has like .001% of happening.

["storm"nut]

Yeah, K-State being inluded in an 18 team PAC is about as realistic as Notre Dame joining the Big XII.

All other lack of realism aside, why would they split the money pool up 18 ways instead of 16 with two extra schools that will bring nothing to the table.

This has like .001% of happening.

Cats always land on their feet.

We will be okay.

the pessimism in Wildcat nation is over the top right now.

[wabash909]

You're probably right, stormy.

Sure, in the short term it might sort of be like having your arm aputated with a rusty bow saw, but we'll learn to use our other one.

I just know even if they amputate all my limbs when we become a mid-major I'm still going to wear my purple proudly, and I am still going to support my team, but I am not going to lie either. This would sting for a little while.

[EuroCat]

Somebody really should let Haverhill out on bail or something. Watching the ISTATEO meltdown would make me feel a lot better right now.

["storm"nut]

You're probably right, stormy.

Sure, in the short term it might sort of be like having your arm aputated with a rusty bow saw, but we'll learn to use our other one.

I just know even if they amputate all my limbs when we become a mid-major I'm still going to wear my purple proudly, and I am still going to support my team, but I am not going to lie either. This would sting for a little while.

[Trim]

That's like me telling Jessica Alba I'm going to eff Rosanne, Judge Judy, and Drew Carey cause she won't blow me on my terms.  Jessica like UT is the hottest bitch around and knows it.  They'd move on to the next sucker who would break their own leg to get a piece.

[Trim]

dude, this is like thinking a stripper likes you after you put a $20 between her tits.  here's the deal:  she doesn't like us.  when the guy sitting next to us flashes a $100 dollar bill, she's going to move on over to him...and then we'll be left, penny-less, hitch hiking our way home in the hopes that our erection lasts long enough so we can go home and get frustrated that we can't even rub one out to internet porn because all we can afford is a 56k modem.  

[michigancat]

All other lack of realism aside, why would they split the money pool up 18 ways instead of 16 with two extra schools that will bring nothing to the table.

KU and KSU add definite value. We haven't been in a BCS conference solely based on the charity of the other members.

[catzacker]

All other lack of realism aside, why would they split the money pool up 18 ways instead of 16 with two extra schools that will bring nothing to the table.

KU and KSU add definite value. We haven't been in a BCS conference solely based on the charity of the other members.

not enough value to pay for ourselves, so to speak.  if this was a company, we'd be essentially an expense center (i.e. accounting department) while others are revenue centers (sales, business development).  which doesn't mean you don't need accounting, it just means that accounting is easy to replace.

["storm"nut]

All other lack of realism aside, why would they split the money pool up 18 ways instead of 16 with two extra schools that will bring nothing to the table.

KU and KSU add definite value. We haven't been in a BCS conference solely based on the charity of the other members.

not enough value to pay for ourselves, so to speak.  if this was a company, we'd be essentially an expense center (i.e. accounting department) while others are revenue centers (sales, business development).  which doesn't mean you don't need accounting, it just means that accounting is easy to replace.

Acturaly I believe we would be a "acquisition to make the company look good"

Like the oil companies buying all the green energy companies. Its a, hey look we are going green.

We will be a charity pick up for a conference. We will be deficit neutral.

[Pete]

Even Fitz is telling his minions we are mumped.

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Well, the conference would have a majority of current BCS members, but it is what it is. It's called reality. K-State won't be included in a four conference, 64-school world and KU likely won't be either.

[Pete]

Makes me sick thinking about how much money we are going lose on this site.  I mean, how many of you dudes are stick around for mid major beard fearing?  Not many, I bet.

Fitz had better be thankful that he had his eye balls fixed, he's going to start using them again when he loses 50% of his membership.

[michigancat]

All other lack of realism aside, why would they split the money pool up 18 ways instead of 16 with two extra schools that will bring nothing to the table.

KU and KSU add definite value. We haven't been in a BCS conference solely based on the charity of the other members.

not enough value to pay for ourselves, so to speak.  if this was a company, we'd be essentially an expense center (i.e. accounting department) while others are revenue centers (sales, business development).  which doesn't mean you don't need accounting, it just means that accounting is easy to replace.

Using that argument, Washington State, Arizona, and Oregon State bring nothing to the table, either. Why doesn't the rest of Pac 12 just kick them out to get a bigger piece of the pie?

[Pete]

It's really happening....

ChipBrownOB Chip Brown
Sources tell Orangebloods.com B12 commissioner held conf call w/out #Texas and #OU to save #Big12. ... bit.ly/qSochM #hookem

Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe convened a conference call late Friday afternoon with a handful of his conference's presidents to discuss the increasing possibility that Oklahoma wants to bolt the Big 12 for the Pac-12, multiple sources said.

Texas president Bill Powers, Oklahoma president David Boren and Texas A&M president R. Bowen Loftin were excluded from the call, sources said. But Beebe advised the other presidents in the Big 12 to "work on Texas" to get the Longhorns to stay in the Big 12, sources said.

[wes mantooth]

Today is kind of ruined for me.  Just want to cry. 

[Pete]

Chip lays out why we still have hope...Texas' riches, and their desire to keep their riches, may end up saving us all....

Any move by Texas to the Pac-12 would not be an easy one. First, there is the issue of the Longhorn Network. No schools in the Pac-12 are allowed to have their own network. Pac-12 commissioner Larry Scott has set up a series of regional networks that partner two schools together to share revenue from third-tier rights with each other and with the Pac-12.

So Texas' Longhorn Network, which launched on Aug. 26 and still can't even be seen by most of the Lone Star State, would likely have to be turned into one of the Pac-12's regional networks (and most likely partner with Texas Tech).

And that could mean Texas basically tearing up the 20-year, $300 million deal it just inked with ESPN and giving up its riches.

An industry source with direct knowledge of the Longhorn Network said turning LHN into a regional network in the Pac-12 would be "very difficult." When I asked if it was impossible, the source said, "After last year, I don't subscribe to that word anymore."

That source doubted Texas was going anywhere. That source also doubted that Oklahoma would go anywhere without Texas.

Sources said Texas officials told them last year the Longhorns were reluctant to go to the Pac-12 because they would lose a lot of the power they enjoy in the Big 12. The sources said Texas feared being out-voted and muscled in the Pac-12 by the power brokers in that conference - the original Pac-8 (USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington and Washington State).

But Texas' move to the Pac-12 would also be difficult because of the legislative heat the Longhorns would likely face. Legislative sources said Friday night that part of the reason Texas A&M was allowed to withdraw from the Big 12 was because of assurances from the rest of the Big 12 that the league would survive.

Now that it appears the Big 12 is in serious jeopardy, lawmakers will not be so passive, sources said

[catzacker]

All other lack of realism aside, why would they split the money pool up 18 ways instead of 16 with two extra schools that will bring nothing to the table.

KU and KSU add definite value. We haven't been in a BCS conference solely based on the charity of the other members.

not enough value to pay for ourselves, so to speak.  if this was a company, we'd be essentially an expense center (i.e. accounting department) while others are revenue centers (sales, business development).  which doesn't mean you don't need accounting, it just means that accounting is easy to replace.

Using that argument, Washington State, Arizona, and Oregon State bring nothing to the table, either. Why doesn't the rest of Pac 12 just kick them out to get a bigger piece of the pie?

that argument still fits.  they (like us) are easily replaceable, when it makes sense.  for example, if the big 12 was the strong conference and expanding by taking Pac-12 members, we'd be like "why the f do we (big12) need oregon state?".   when in actuality there isn't much difference between us and them.