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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #8550 on: August 26, 2011, 10:31:16 AM »
the SEC isn't voting AR out for any reason ever.

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« Reply #8551 on: August 26, 2011, 10:31:38 AM »
Yeah, it seems logical that SEC would likely pick up more than just aggie, rather than expelling anyone.  Especially since it seems like the general feel is that eventually the Super Conf will be reality.  I don't see anyone dropping dece schools like Ark with that looming.  SEC is already in a sitch where they will more than likely have to pick up someone they really don't care for to round out the 16 teams.  Dropping Ark would just make it more difficult if this all goes down in the near future like many seem to think it will.

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« Reply #8552 on: August 26, 2011, 10:33:40 AM »
I'm just throwing out hypotheticals.  Stupid ones, but hypotheticals nonetheless.

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« Reply #8553 on: August 26, 2011, 10:34:56 AM »
I'm just throwing out hypotheticals. 

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« Reply #8554 on: August 26, 2011, 10:37:32 AM »
Sometimes you need hypos like this to keep you warm during the cold times like these.   Getting Ark would keep me at half mast for the forseeable future.

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« Reply #8555 on: August 26, 2011, 10:39:55 AM »
I keep waffling back and forth between who the new tenth member will be.  My heart says BYU, my head says Houston.  I can't tell which one to trust.

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« Reply #8556 on: August 26, 2011, 10:42:06 AM »
I keep waffling back and forth between who the new tenth member will be.  My heart says BYU, my head says Houston.  I can't tell which one to trust.

miniMadCat says Tulane.

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« Reply #8557 on: August 26, 2011, 11:24:44 AM »
I'm just throwing out hypotheticals.  Stupid ones, but hypotheticals nonetheless.

Jerry Jones can be a very influential person.

I agree that it's unlikely, but again, it's hypotheticals, so who cares.

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« Reply #8558 on: August 26, 2011, 11:31:37 AM »
I keep waffling back and forth between who the new tenth member will be.  My heart says BYU, my head says Houston.  I can't tell which one to trust.

My heart and head both say BYU. I don't think Texas wants Houston.

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« Reply #8559 on: August 26, 2011, 12:55:19 PM »
Wouldn't Arkansas be bad for us in the long run?  I mean it just opens up one more spot for the SEC to fill when they go 16, meaning OU and Mizzou would be as good as gone. 

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« Reply #8560 on: August 26, 2011, 12:58:49 PM »
Wouldn't Arkansas be bad for us in the long run?  I mean it just opens up one more spot for the SEC to fill when they go 16, meaning OU and Mizzou would be as good as gone. 

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SB, I've been working on something that will hopefully convince you that no one goes to sixteen teams.  :gocho:

I hope to have it done next week.

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« Reply #8561 on: August 26, 2011, 02:11:11 PM »
Wouldn't Arkansas be bad for us in the long run?  I mean it just opens up one more spot for the SEC to fill when they go 16, meaning OU and Mizzou would be as good as gone. 

 :sdeek:    :runaway:

SB, I've been working on something that will hopefully convince you that no one goes to sixteen teams.  :gocho:

I hope to have it done next week.


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« Reply #8562 on: August 27, 2011, 12:33:06 PM »
Pitt to Big 12......really Chip.  What is Daddy Dodds up to now?

http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1256918
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« Reply #8563 on: August 27, 2011, 01:22:00 PM »
I've been wondering how many pages you 'tards were going to go before someone noticed that Dodds had already told you precisely what's going to happen in the next round of realignment:

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Dodds said Texas might want to partner with a school like Notre Dame and start their own conference.

There won't be four superconferences after the dust clears there will be one comprised of the 2-3 teams from each expected superconference that programs like Baylor, Kansas State, Texas Tech, etc. expect to pull the financial train for them.  The Texas, Notre Dame, etc. level programs from huge media markets will soon recognize that they can command richer television contracts if they're not saddled with the small market dregs of the college athletics world.   Just imagine the wealthiest eight to sixteen programs / media markets in the US and that'll be your superconference.

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« Reply #8564 on: August 27, 2011, 01:29:07 PM »
I've been wondering how many pages you 'tards were going to go before someone noticed that Dodds had already told you precisely what's going to happen in the next round of realignment:

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Dodds said Texas might want to partner with a school like Notre Dame and start their own conference.

There won't be four superconferences after the dust clears there will be one comprised of the 2-3 teams from each expected superconference that programs like Baylor, Kansas State, Texas Tech, etc. expect to pull the financial train for them.  The Texas, Notre Dame, etc. level programs from huge media markets will soon recognize that they can command richer television contracts if they're not saddled with the small market dregs of the college athletics world.   Just imagine the wealthiest eight to sixteen programs / media markets in the US and that'll be your superconference.
Wrong.  Those teams can pull in a ton of coin (maybe not equal, but still a ton) without having to play the top 10 teams every year.

There are more than 16 programs in the country that are sustainable without being in your hypothetical conference (teams like Oklahoma State, Virginia Tech, Arkansas, Tennessee etc).  IMO, those "second tier" teams would benefit most, because the road to 12-0 would be incredibly easier, considering they wouldn't have to play LSU, Alabama, Texas etc.

16 of the best teams in the country would have to be absolutely suicidal to agree to play each other every single year.


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« Reply #8565 on: August 27, 2011, 01:33:12 PM »
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« Reply #8566 on: August 27, 2011, 02:49:28 PM »
I've been wondering how many pages you 'tards were going to go before someone noticed that Dodds had already told you precisely what's going to happen in the next round of realignment:

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Dodds said Texas might want to partner with a school like Notre Dame and start their own conference.

There won't be four superconferences after the dust clears there will be one comprised of the 2-3 teams from each expected superconference that programs like Baylor, Kansas State, Texas Tech, etc. expect to pull the financial train for them.  The Texas, Notre Dame, etc. level programs from huge media markets will soon recognize that they can command richer television contracts if they're not saddled with the small market dregs of the college athletics world.   Just imagine the wealthiest eight to sixteen programs / media markets in the US and that'll be your superconference.

Let's all get together and assure that we collectively limit ourselves to only one of us playing for a natl champ.

Pfft.

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« Reply #8567 on: August 27, 2011, 03:49:32 PM »
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« Reply #8568 on: August 27, 2011, 04:04:12 PM »
I've been wondering how many pages you 'tards were going to go before someone noticed that Dodds had already told you precisely what's going to happen in the next round of realignment:

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Dodds said Texas might want to partner with a school like Notre Dame and start their own conference.

There won't be four superconferences after the dust clears there will be one comprised of the 2-3 teams from each expected superconference that programs like Baylor, Kansas State, Texas Tech, etc. expect to pull the financial train for them.  The Texas, Notre Dame, etc. level programs from huge media markets will soon recognize that they can command richer television contracts if they're not saddled with the small market dregs of the college athletics world.   Just imagine the wealthiest eight to sixteen programs / media markets in the US and that'll be your superconference.

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« Reply #8569 on: August 27, 2011, 04:17:05 PM »
I've been wondering how many pages you 'tards were going to go before someone noticed that Dodds had already told you precisely what's going to happen in the next round of realignment:

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Dodds said Texas might want to partner with a school like Notre Dame and start their own conference.

There won't be four superconferences after the dust clears there will be one comprised of the 2-3 teams from each expected superconference that programs like Baylor, Kansas State, Texas Tech, etc. expect to pull the financial train for them.  The Texas, Notre Dame, etc. level programs from huge media markets will soon recognize that they can command richer television contracts if they're not saddled with the small market dregs of the college athletics world.   Just imagine the wealthiest eight to sixteen programs / media markets in the US and that'll be your superconference.

you're not mad at us, you're mad at Obama. 

The elites forming their own super conference is a very Atlas shrugging kinda thing, no?

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« Reply #8570 on: August 27, 2011, 04:30:02 PM »
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« Reply #8571 on: August 27, 2011, 04:36:51 PM »
I'm normally against schools named after cities.

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« Reply #8572 on: August 27, 2011, 04:38:19 PM »
I'm normally against schools named after cities.

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« Reply #8573 on: August 27, 2011, 04:42:03 PM »
Wrong.  Those teams can pull in a ton of coin (maybe not equal, but still a ton) without having to play the top 10 teams every year.

There are more than 16 programs in the country that are sustainable without being in your hypothetical conference (teams like Oklahoma State, Virginia Tech, Arkansas, Tennessee etc).  IMO, those "second tier" teams would benefit most, because the road to 12-0 would be incredibly easier, considering they wouldn't have to play LSU, Alabama, Texas etc.

16 of the best teams in the country would have to be absolutely suicidal to agree to play each other every single year.

If you believe for a second that Top ___ rankings, BCS slots or mythical national championships are going to drive these decisions then you simply don't have a clue.  It's all about maximizing revenue and we know that in college athletics the money is in football.  Football, and specifically the right to broadcast football games and the revenue derived therefrom, will drive what eventually happens.  It may take a bit but there are clear tranches out there and the cream will self-separate from the rest soon enough.

Consider the present Big XII: this fall the Big XII will play five conference football games per weekend.  Of those only one game each weekend will feature a team whose mascot is a cow and that game will have a value, in terms of national audience and sales of advertising slots therein, probably on average greater than (or at the very least quite similar to) the sum of the values of the weekend's other four conference games combined.

Now consider a hypothetical Super Conference (play with the names as much as you like) comprised of: Texas, Notre Dame, Penn St., Ohio St., Michigan, Florida, Alabama and USC.  Each of those teams brings a value not perhaps equivalent to Texas but somewhere in the ballpark.  Thus every game of the regular season is nationally prominent in precisely the same way that a UT Big XII game is only no one ever has to watch these teams beat up on the little sisters of the poor any more.  The value of broadcast rights for this conference is probably 3-5x the value of any present conference and likely more since every game will feature a valuable property on both sides of the field rather that just one as is the case in most conference games now.  And you really believe that wouldn't induce teams to want to join?  

Competitiveness isn't really an issue.  Form the Super Conference with 8 teams, play 7 league games & schedule 5 OOC wins.  Or form with 12, play in 3 or 4 team pods and schedule 5 or 6 OOC wins.  Similarly a 16 team conference comprised of 4 pods of 4 teams each leaves room for 6 scheduled OOC wins.  There are plenty of ways to arrange such a conference without making the conference slate a Bataan Death March.

BCS?  Please.  A 12 or 16 team conference arranged in pods could conduct a 4-team conference championship playoff whose revenues would probably exceed those of the present BCS bowls.  Or imagine a 16 team Super Conference featuring your pick of college football's 16 biggest names and further imagine those names not being part of the BCS picture.  What would the BCS be worth in that case?  Certainly a fraction of its present value.  So there would be great incentive on the part of the BCS to include as many Super Conference Teams as was feasible; certainly one and probably a couple guaranteed.  Perhaps the hypothetical Super 16 would bypass the BCS completely and invite the champions of the remainder of the SEC, Big XII, Pac 12 & Big 10 to compete in an 8-team playoff against its four pod champions and award its own National Championship.  Again, that arrangement would dwarf the present system financially.  

They money is simply too much to ignore and there are several conferences that have grown well beyond regional and local rivalries already.  The next clear step is a national conference comprised of only the most valuable franchises.  It may not happen this year or next but it is going to happen.

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« Reply #8574 on: August 27, 2011, 04:44:51 PM »
Yep, elite bowls and NCs don't translate into a lot of rev.

Pfft