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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #35350 on: July 06, 2023, 10:35:37 AM »
nil will be like facilities at some point.  people will know they exist and accept nil as part of the package. 

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« Reply #35351 on: July 06, 2023, 05:45:38 PM »
New York is passing legislation to keep the ahole NCAA from interfering with NIL.  It's time this shame called the NCAA needs to get the eff out of student athletics.  BTW, for those who are not aware the NCAA was formed and is subject to presidents of the universities.  It's time they quit rough ridin' with student athletics.  Also, California is doing the same thing along with about a dozen other states.

Texas has already done this and the NCAA said that if the schools don't follow NCAA rules they are free to leave the NCAA and they're 100% correct. People act like the NCAA is some third party meddling in college athletics, that's far from the truth. The NCAA is run and governed by the member schools. These schools are creating NCAA policy then the ones who don't like it are running to the government to try to circumvent policies that they had a hand in creating.

These state laws are completely toothless, they have no jurisdiction over the NCAA. If Texas A&M, that's the biggest sign that this is all bullshit, follows through with their vow not to follow NCAA rules on NIL, you can bet your ass the rest of the SEC will expect them to get sanctioned and if they are sanctioned there is nothing Greg Abbott can do about it. If Texas A&M doesn't like it, they can feel free to start a new college sports governing body that will give in to 50 different states telling their schools to follow 50 different sets of rules.

The Big XII is spending more on NIL than anyother conference.  Your thoughts on NIL?  :ROFL:

Seems like a weird non sequitur but okay. NIL is talked about too much, it's great for what the initial intent was, for all college athletes to be able to make money like normal people can. It was absurd that college student athletes couldn't teach piano lessons, work at summer camp, or write a book.

People only talk about nil when it comes to pay for play for football and men's and women's basketball players and that's not how must student athletes benefit from nil. It's also a nice crutch and distraction from the NCAA and the schools paying athletes, which they should be doing instead of old white men buying players, like they are chattel, all for bragging rights.

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« Reply #35352 on: July 13, 2023, 04:50:46 PM »
https://twitter.com/NicoleAuerbach/status/1679583494865911809?s=20


Welp, the Pac just got locked out of another linear network.

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« Reply #35353 on: July 13, 2023, 05:52:49 PM »
I wonder if we got extra games that BY could get in on that deal?  MO MONEY, MO MONEY!!!  :excited:
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« Reply #35354 on: July 13, 2023, 11:08:55 PM »
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Big 12 deputy commissioner on Texas leaving for SEC: 'They would rather get beat by Alabama than Kansas State'
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« Reply #35355 on: July 13, 2023, 11:57:36 PM »
LOL, we were beating them when they had Mack Brown and Charlie Strong, but those days are over.  Timmy should have said TCU, as they beat them on the regular.
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« Reply #35356 on: July 17, 2023, 11:45:55 AM »
I giggled at this


Quote from: Former Colorado Quarterback Brock Huard

 “These universities, these campuses broke the trust of these networks by not showing up, by not caring. And frankly in some of the places like Palo Alto and Berkley, they’d rather not have football. Upper campus and some of their leadership don’t even need football… and once you’ve broken that trust, and these networks, who pay all the money, and they do all the work, and they’ve got all of their advertisers, they need numbers. We’ve got to have eye balls. And they tune in to watch Cal Berkeley, and there is Marshawn Lynch on the sidelines going, ‘Where the *** is everybody?'”

“That Jim Harbaugh can be at Stanford with Andrew Luck and not fill your stadium up?”

“And why do you think FOX is like, ‘We’re out.’? We’ll go to Ames, Manhattan, Lubbock, where they care. You don’t care out of west. And unfortunately George Kliavkoff is feeling the weight of that.”





https://www.heartlandcollegesports.com/2023/07/16/brock-huard-calls-pac-12-tv-situation-very-dire/

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« Reply #35357 on: July 17, 2023, 11:49:20 AM »
Oh damn, Brock. Out here spittin' truth bombs.
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« Reply #35358 on: July 17, 2023, 12:04:54 PM »
Great quote, Brock played at Washington.

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« Reply #35359 on: July 17, 2023, 12:10:36 PM »
The best part of all that though is this tweet embedded in the article
https://twitter.com/BLeez17/status/1584024006180868097

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« Reply #35360 on: July 17, 2023, 11:22:19 PM »
Great quote, Brock played at Washington.
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« Reply #35362 on: July 18, 2023, 10:51:38 PM »
Having less than a year of contract left and not having any sign of a new one does not seem ideal for the PAC teams
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« Reply #35363 on: July 19, 2023, 12:16:30 AM »
Having less than a year of contract left and not having any sign of a new one does not seem ideal for the PAC teams

Surely, the PAC's negotiation leverage only increases as the expiration date draws near. Right? Right?
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« Reply #35364 on: July 19, 2023, 08:14:44 AM »
We might just eff around and land Oregon and Washington.

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« Reply #35365 on: July 19, 2023, 11:56:44 PM »
That would be great, but I don't think BY will go for a no-exit fee when or if the big 10 comes calling.
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« Reply #35366 on: July 20, 2023, 08:26:39 AM »
That would be great, but I don't think BY will go for a no-exit fee when or if the big 10 comes calling.
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« Reply #35368 on: July 20, 2023, 11:36:29 AM »
Here's a copy and paste of the article for those who don't have a script.

The bill proposes the formation of the College Athletics Corporation (CAC), a central oversight entity that would set, administer, and enforce rules and standards to protect athletes who enter into endorsement contracts. The CAC would establish rules and investigatory processes to enforce this law. There would be a 15-member board of directors that oversees the CAC, and at least five board members must be current or former college athletes. The CAC would have its own constitution and bylaws. It would also have subpoena power and could use it to compel deposition testimony on behalf of the NCAA if it has “appropriate requests.”

The discussion draft includes, but is not limited to, the following:

Athletes would be allowed to have representatives, such as agents, and those representatives would need to be certified by the CAC. Schools would not be able to represent athletes in endorsement contract negotiations.
Schools would be prohibited from punishing athletes for receiving food, rent, medical expenses, insurance, tuition, fees, books and transportation from a third party. Schools would also be required to cover athletes’ aid until they graduate, even if they suffer a career-ending injury.
Athletes making more than $1,000 per year would need to disclose their endorsement contracts to a designated employee of their university, and recruits would need to provide copies of their current and expired name, image and likeness deals to that same person before signing a national letter of intent. These disclosures would not be made public and would not be subject to Freedom of Information Act requests.
An athlete who no longer participates in their sport while operating under an NIL contract of more than a year can rescind it without being held liable for breach of contract.
Any athlete can declare for a draft and come back to school after going undrafted with notice within seven days of the draft taking place, as long as he or she does not accept compensation from a league, team or agent.
Athletes would be able to transfer one time and play right away at their second school, which is an NCAA rule but not law. Transfers would not be able to transfer during the season or in the 60 days leading up to the season.
A medical trust fund would be established that would cover the out-of-pocket expenses for injuries and other long-term conditions resulting from athletes’ participation in college sports.
State attorneys general could bring civil action if they believe a citizen has been harmed by a violation of the Act.
The law would pre-empt state NIL laws and prohibit them from establishing laws related to NIL rights and anything that would prohibit an athlete’s ability to transfer.
The bill establishes health and safety standards for conditions such as traumatic brain injuries and heat-related illnesses along with areas such as sexual assault and interpersonal violence. It would require that athletic trainers, physical therapists and physicians have autonomous authority to determine medical management and return-to-play decisions for athletes under their care. The CAC would be able to audit, visit and investigate schools — and it could issue a lifetime ban for anyone violating health and safety standards.

Schools would be required to report revenues and expenditures of each athletics program, the average number of hours college athletes spent on college athletic events and academic outcomes and majors for college athletes. Athletes would be required to take financial literacy and lifestyle development courses.

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Booker, Blumenthal and Moran have all been active in NIL legislation for years. Booker and Blumenthal had previously proposed (and amended) their College Athletes Bill of Rights, which would have given athletes the ability to unionize and share revenue with their leagues and schools, along with other healthcare-related protections. In 2021, Moran proposed a bill that addressed athletes’ NIL rights but also provided the NCAA the legal protection it seeks against antitrust lawsuits that challenge its athlete compensation rules. Moran’s bill also addressed transfer rules and the ability of athletes to return to college after going undrafted in a professional sports draft.

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« Reply #35369 on: July 20, 2023, 06:57:52 PM »
If this is the last year of the PAC 12 TV contract, does that mean schools wouldn't have to pay an exit fee for leaving next year? Or is a fee separate from the TV contract?

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« Reply #35370 on: July 20, 2023, 07:51:31 PM »
If this is the last year of the PAC 12 TV contract, does that mean schools wouldn't have to pay an exit fee for leaving next year? Or is a fee separate from the TV contract?

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The TV contract and the exit fee are separate matters. The expiration of the PAC 12 TV contract means that it will be up for renegotiation or renewal. However, the exit fee for leaving the PAC 12 conference would likely still apply regardless of the TV contract status. Exit fees are usually part of the conference's bylaws and are meant to discourage member schools from leaving before the contract period ends. So, schools would typically still be obligated to pay the exit fee if they decide to leave the conference, regardless of the TV contract's status.

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« Reply #35371 on: July 20, 2023, 08:41:14 PM »
We might just eff around and land Oregon and Washington.

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« Reply #35372 on: July 20, 2023, 08:45:44 PM »
If this is the last year of the PAC 12 TV contract, does that mean schools wouldn't have to pay an exit fee for leaving next year? Or is a fee separate from the TV contract?

According to chatgpt:

The TV contract and the exit fee are separate matters. The expiration of the PAC 12 TV contract means that it will be up for renegotiation or renewal. However, the exit fee for leaving the PAC 12 conference would likely still apply regardless of the TV contract status. Exit fees are usually part of the conference's bylaws and are meant to discourage member schools from leaving before the contract period ends. So, schools would typically still be obligated to pay the exit fee if they decide to leave the conference, regardless of the TV contract's status.

I don't think the Pac has an exit fee.  ChatGPT is not Google.

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« Reply #35373 on: July 20, 2023, 08:50:32 PM »
Yeah, chatGPT is straight booty for questions like that.
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« Reply #35374 on: July 20, 2023, 09:12:06 PM »
Man, it didn't even occur to me that they wouldn't have an exit fee. 
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