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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #34875 on: February 09, 2023, 11:13:21 PM »
I too also hope Colorado is not part of whatever deal
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« Reply #34876 on: February 09, 2023, 11:31:21 PM »
Yeah, I agree with MIR too

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« Reply #34877 on: February 09, 2023, 11:45:21 PM »
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« Reply #34878 on: February 10, 2023, 08:18:05 AM »
My don't settle for a penny less than owed crusade didn't come to fruition so now I have a new crusade. We can't add Colorado to this conference. They get god awful support, even worse than they did when they were here before, worse than anyone here now, worse than the 4 schools coming in. Why would we add a school with worse fan support than TCU? They don't draw dick on television, their revenue blows, they're broke, they do come with a nice media market but they don't have any footing in that market. They are Oregon State.

We're getting Arizona, I'm sure the leaker is someone in their athletic department. Ideally I'd like Utah, Oregon, and Washington to come with Arizona. Oregon and Washington still haven't gotten their Big 10 invites and now they don't have a commissioner.

I'd also take Arizona State and Stanford before I'd take Colorado.

But Twitter assures me that CU hiring Prime is so good that not only will it elevate CU but the entire Pac 12 media deal.

I do agree with your earlier points that the apparent 180 from the deal is stuck to done (at significantly less than what we are owed), combined with the Pac leak to Mandel says there is something more going on. 

Although I would love to see a Washington\Oregon move to the Big 12 I just don't see why they would do that.  Even if they did they would still be eyeing the Big 10 the whole time, granted any of us would go today if asked but I think they would be very obvious about us just being their side piece until they get what they really want.

I think it is more likely that the "something more" that is about to happen involves Gonzaga than Pac teams.

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« Reply #34879 on: February 10, 2023, 08:25:22 AM »
Do we really want 16 schools in the conference?

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« Reply #34880 on: February 10, 2023, 08:26:08 AM »
If we add some of these Pac schools, can we kick out UCF and Houston?
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« Reply #34881 on: February 10, 2023, 08:31:12 AM »
Do we really want 16 schools in the conference?

I don't want 16 now as a fan. If it helps keep us stable and puts us in a better position when the ACC gets raided by the Big\SEC to pick up a couple left overs then OK.

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« Reply #34882 on: February 10, 2023, 08:33:14 AM »
Do we really want 16 schools in the conference?

What we want really has nothing to do with it.   
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« Reply #34883 on: February 10, 2023, 08:44:13 AM »
Do we really want 16 schools in the conference?

I don't want 16 now as a fan. If it helps keep us stable and puts us in a better position when the ACC gets raided by the Big\SEC to pick up a couple left overs then OK.

Yeah, if we don't take advantage the opportunity to expand now, it seems like we could be in a much weaker position down the road.

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« Reply #34884 on: February 10, 2023, 08:46:27 AM »
I'm back to needing a daily summary email of events. I can't keep up with all this!

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« Reply #34885 on: February 10, 2023, 09:33:23 AM »
I'm back to needing a daily summary email of events. I can't keep up with all this!

Summary:
This is the last year OU/UT in the Big12

PAC still has no TV deal and at least one AD is pissed enough to leak that the deals are shitty to Mandel

Everything else is speculation that other things (PAC expand or losing teams and Gonzaga move to PAC or Big 12) are now the next focus and we should start hearing more decisions on those sooner rather than later.

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« Reply #34886 on: February 10, 2023, 09:53:55 AM »
Big 12 will be able to get whoever they want from the PAC 12.  It will start with us talking to other non-PAC 12 teams (Memphis, San Diego St., Gonzaga, etc.).  That will put pressure on remaining PAC 12 teams to move as the threat of taking away best options to expand PAC 12 will forever make them a doormat.  I'd expect ASU and UA will be first two join. 

Oregon and Washington will wait as long as they can. 
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« Reply #34887 on: February 10, 2023, 10:57:47 AM »
Okay, someone explain this to me like i'm five if i'm not understanding this correctly.

So, the thing driving conference re-alignment is...network deals. The networks think "the television audiences are going to want to see this, so we are going to pay conferences big $$"
so, naturally, schools are going to want to be in the conferences that are going to lead to them getting the most $$

Okay, that makes sense and is all well and good...but is it possible that the networks have made their calculations based on a faulty premise? Right now, people love college football for XYZ reasons. But all this conference realignment is enevitably bastardizing at least a few, if not most of those reasons.

Is it inaccurate to think that eventually, the viewers at home - which is ultimately the source of the money the networks are paying to fuel the conference realignment - might just be like "okay whatever this is...is not the thing i loved so much and i've lost interest and won't prioritize watching this anymore"?

I mean i get that the SEC and BIG have set themselves up to where their schools are going to have the most incentive to care, b/c those are the conferences that are going to be getting the most teams into the playoff and thus have the best chance at winning nattys.

But like, even with the BIG for example...if michigan and ohio state don't play each other every year...then what's the point? but with all those schools they are going to have to give that up or essentially tailor the rules around michigan and ohio state...so to accomodate them that means other schools are probably going to get a fairly undesireable schedule as a result.

Maybe i'm wrong...maybe if you ask Penn St or Michigan St or Iowa fans what's important to them...maybe they all unanimously agree that what matters most is that michigan and ohio state play every year and they will take whatever goofy schedule has to happen as long as that remains true. But I dunno man...i guess i could see just equally as likely that the wisconsin and illinois fans are like huh okay...so, this season we are playing 75% of our games against teams with which we have no historical affiliaton or rivalry, on the other side of the country, that we don't really know or care about...and uh...yeah i guess i just don't really care all that much because why would i?

i dunno. maybe i'm underestimating the average football fan. maybe the average football fan will gladly accept whatever watered down bastardization of the game they used to know and they will do so with enthusiasm. But like, just look at facebook as a cautionary tale. My point is that even something so universally "beloved" or at least utilized can very quickly lose a whole crapton of its users when you let the focus become exclusively about monetization instead of the product, and people will move on to something else.

^if i'm just completely wrong about any of that please someone explain to me. like i'm 5.

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #34888 on: February 10, 2023, 11:04:27 AM »
No is reading all that fam.
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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #34889 on: February 10, 2023, 11:37:54 AM »
I read it, and honestly, I've had similar thoughts for a while. This whole conference realignment has only been good for about 8 or so teams. Everyone else is just getting drug along. That, combined with the NIL changes are diluting the product that we all used to love.

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« Reply #34890 on: February 10, 2023, 11:43:26 AM »
I still love CFB a lot.
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« Reply #34891 on: February 10, 2023, 11:52:28 AM »
No is reading all that fam.

fine. is it reasonable to think that CFB is changing so much that pretty soon lots of the fans aren't going to like what it has become? and all this conference realignment will have been for nothing b/c the networks guessed wrong that viewship would remain high?

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« Reply #34892 on: February 10, 2023, 12:05:04 PM »
No is reading all that fam.

fine. is it reasonable to think that CFB is changing so much that pretty soon lots of the fans aren't going to like what it has become? and all this conference realignment will have been for nothing b/c the networks guessed wrong that viewship would remain high?

I don't disagree with the premise... however, I think the expanded college football playoff is going to be a ratings bonanza and will compensate for any dimished fan interest that their favorite team doesn't play their rival any more and/or only once every few years.

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« Reply #34893 on: February 10, 2023, 12:19:09 PM »
Big 12 will be able to get whoever they want from the PAC 12.  It will start with us talking to other non-PAC 12 teams (Memphis, San Diego St., Gonzaga, etc.).  That will put pressure on remaining PAC 12 teams to move as the threat of taking away best options to expand PAC 12 will forever make them a doormat.  I'd expect ASU and UA will be first two join. 

Oregon and Washington will wait as long as they can.

This seems rightish to me  :thumbs:

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« Reply #34894 on: February 10, 2023, 12:21:50 PM »
There is a TON about all of this that sucks balls and ass and taint, but Yormak can't afford to contemplate things like that. 


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« Reply #34895 on: February 10, 2023, 12:30:06 PM »
I think the belief is that any fans lost for the reasons BAC wrote some words on will be replaced and then some by people watching for gambling reasons.

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« Reply #34896 on: February 10, 2023, 01:25:33 PM »
I know I wouldn't watch college football if K-State were ever in a situation where our games weren't televised.

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« Reply #34897 on: February 10, 2023, 01:28:59 PM »
There is a TON about all of this that sucks balls and ass and taint, but Yormak can't afford to contemplate things like that. 



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« Reply #34898 on: February 10, 2023, 01:39:55 PM »
No is reading all that fam.

fine. is it reasonable to think that CFB is changing so much that pretty soon lots of the fans aren't going to like what it has become? and all this conference realignment will have been for nothing b/c the networks guessed wrong that viewship would remain high?

I don't disagree with the premise... however, I think the expanded college football playoff is going to be a ratings bonanza and will compensate for any dimished fan interest that their favorite team doesn't play their rival any more and/or only once every few years.
Will the playoffs make football more like basketball in that it's all about the tournament? Will viewership drop off in-season overall because the individual games no longer make or break a season?

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« Reply #34899 on: February 10, 2023, 01:50:49 PM »
No is reading all that fam.

fine. is it reasonable to think that CFB is changing so much that pretty soon lots of the fans aren't going to like what it has become? and all this conference realignment will have been for nothing b/c the networks guessed wrong that viewship would remain high?

I think more fan bases will be engaged now that 12 teams make the playoff.   All four major conferences will send a rep every year.  TCU getting to the natty means basically anyone can make it.
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