Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....

[MakeItRain]

They wouldn't take FSU or Clemson but they'll take Oklahoma State? Seriously? FSU literally would have given the SEC every single benefit OU does but without a tag along that only takes revenue not adding anything. Vandy and the Mississippi and Alabama land grants have no relevance to this conversation because they are clearly stuck with those schools. They would dump Vandy in a second if they could. The articles from SEC country saying that they don't want to add schools where they have schools is right here itt.

[CyberToothCat]

Part of The Animal's frustration was working hard to get K-State as a top 50 research university, and to have the state of Kansas pull the rug from under him via budget cuts, making that goal so much more difficult.  How ironic would it be that we're left behind because of perceived academic deficiencies (making big 10 improbable), and getting Brownback as university president?

Screw Brownback.

The Regents have had it with Sam. He'll never be Prez of KSU.

Oh, man.  I hope you're right. Brownback would be an effing disaster. You think our attrition of professors lately has been bad? Wait until you see what happens when Brownback is put in charge. We might see professors protesting in the streets.

[DQ12]

I expect UT and/or OU to be gone as soon as the current grant of rights expires.  I expect them to announce it well in advance too, for the extra hype for their new home(s) and recruiting benefits.

I don't think that's allowed under the current GOR. 

[DOD Take 2]

Can anyone think of any reason that a power 5 school would leave their current conference and join the Big 12?  I believe that it is impossible unless UT and OU sign a new long term grant of rights...and have it be absurdly long.

I expect UT and/or OU to be gone as soon as the current grant of rights expires.  I expect them to announce it well in advance too, for the extra hype for their new home(s) and recruiting benefits.



I expect both KSU and KU to stay In the Big 12, but by then 60% of the members will be from the AAU and other crap situations.

The GOR doesn't end until 2024-2025. The landscape of CFB 9 years from now is completely unpredictable. We could just as easily be one of the strongest conferences in 9 years as we could be one of the weakest.

[Trim]

It's pretty crazy that the conference that includes the states of oklahoma, kansas, iowa (west) and west virginia might struggle.

[Panjandrum]

Can anyone think of any reason that a power 5 school would leave their current conference and join the Big 12?  I believe that it is impossible unless UT and OU sign a new long term grant of rights...and have it be absurdly long.

I expect UT and/or OU to be gone as soon as the current grant of rights expires.  I expect them to announce it well in advance too, for the extra hype for their new home(s) and recruiting benefits.



I expect both KSU and KU to stay In the Big 12, but by then 60% of the members will be from the AAU and other crap situations.

The GOR doesn't end until 2024-2025. The landscape of CFB 9 years from now is completely unpredictable. We could just as easily be one of the strongest conferences in 9 years as we could be one of the weakest.

The flexibility of our media rights gives us the greatest ability to adjust to whatever situation arises.

The SEC and Big Ten have a lot of eggs in the conference network basket.  If that becomes untenable going forward, they're in trouble.  The majority of us have bundled our third party content into safe platforms that will continue to have distribution because they live on networks that primarily have pro sports anchors.  A lot of the Fox Sports regional networks that we're a part of will continue to be carried on basic cable because they are anchored by MLB and NBA broadcasts.

Texas can test the waters all they want.  There is no better situation than the one that they're in.  16 team conferences are a pipe dream.  The Big Ten and SEC have both lamented about how 14 is too big and a pain to manage.  There's probably very limited interest in getting bigger.  For anyone.

After a lot of the most recent conversations, the most likely "major" thing that could happen is a merging of media rights between the Big 12 and Pac 12 where they rebrand the Pac 12 Network to get further distribution in our territory.  But that won't be quick.  And it will probably be a pretty major restructuring.

I think the most likely thing is that within six months, we'll make an announcement that we're expanding by two schools.  We'll do a conference championship with ten teams in 2017 and then go to a more traditional 12 team format in 2018.  We will announce that these members will most likely get a plan for phased revenue distribution where they run up to a full share in 3-5 years.  As we run up to the end of our contract, we'll work with the Pac 12 to consolidate our media rights among 24 teams, we will roll our T3 contracts into the Pac 12 Network, which will have it's majority interest sold to someone else (i.e. Fox), and we'll see large scale distribution, especially in the western half of the US.

The ACC will attempt to burn off at least one school to make room for Notre Dame.  Probably either BC or Wake Forest.  They probably won't be successful, but they'll try.

Regardless of what happens with realignment, the playoff will expand to eight teams.  The P5 champs will get in.  A G5 school will get in, and the Big Ten and SEC will lobby for two at large bids and unequal revenue distribution for conferences with wild card entries.

Anyway, that's where I think this is headed.

[KITNfury]

The playoffs will go to 8 and that's exactly why we don't do crap until it does. And no way the Big 10 and SEC automatically get 2 in every year.

[Clevey 2 Times]

The playoffs will go to 8 and that's exactly why we don't do crap until it does. And no way the Big 10 and SEC automatically get 2 in every year.

Exactly. The most likely scenario of all things being bandied about is the playoff going 8 with P5 conf champ guaranteed bid. That in and of itself solidifies the B12. The flexibility with T3 rights and not being hamstrung by a conf network has to be desirable for OU and UT when they look at the landscape today.

Now, in 9 years, who the hell knows.

[KITNfury]

The playoffs will go to 8 and that's exactly why we don't do crap until it does. And no way the Big 10 and SEC automatically get 2 in every year.

Exactly. The most likely scenario of all things being bandied about is the playoff going 8 with P5 conf champ guaranteed bid. That in and of itself solidifies the B12. The flexibility with T3 rights and not being hamstrung by a conf network has to be desirable for OU and UT when they look at the landscape today.

Now, in 9 years, who the hell knows.

Absolutely. I mean, we all know that once we have an auto qualifier, OU and UT will usually be the representative for this conference. We have a very solid top to bottom conference, by there's no denying they are the cream of our crop and there's no reason for that to permanently change. They would love that scenario. I have no idea why they can see the end game here. Maybe they can and I just don't give them the credit, but their actions (OU. mainly) say otherwise.

[TheHamburglar]

You guys are looking at this just from a FB perspective.  If the BigTen and SEC reach the point they are making $10-$15 million more after OU's tier 3, that affects the whole athletic department.  We suck at everything else.  Sure, every once in a while we jump up in baseball one year or get a couple good jumpers and are happy, but overall our AD is a huge joke.   Other schools don't accept that as long as they hit the budget like we do.  If it gets to the point where others can easily buy away the Patty Gassos with higher salaries and nicer facilities, then OU should leave.  It's not there yet, and I don't know it ever will in a sustainable manner, but if it does I won't blame OU at all for leaving.

[Clevey 2 Times]

You guys are looking at this just from a FB perspective.  If the BigTen and SEC reach the point they are making $10-$15 million more after OU's tier 3, that affects the whole athletic department.  We suck at everything else.  Sure, every once in a while we jump up in baseball one year or get a couple good jumpers and are happy, but overall our AD is a huge joke.   Other schools don't accept that as long as they hit the budget like we do.  If it gets to the point where others can easily buy away the Patty Gassos with higher salaries and nicer facilities, then OU should leave.  It's not there yet, and I don't know it ever will in a sustainable manner, but if it does I won't blame OU at all for leaving.

Yea, I am looking at it from the FB perspective, so it's a narrow view and maybe I'm missing something out of sheer ignorance.

What's the likelihood that the Big Ten or SEC makes that much (10-15 mil) more than OU's tier 3?

In the absence of a value added new team, which I don't think realistically exists today, we should stay firm. The thing that OU and UT have now that they would not have in the SEC, for example, are teams that are fine just staying in their lane, so to speak. KSU, ISU, KU, WVU, TT, Baylor, etc. aren't going to say a damn thing to alienate OU or UT so they can essentially run the show, all the while the AD's and President's get together at their meetings and play nice, making it appear that this is some collective endeavor. Having that kind of authority won't be matched anywhere and that is worth something.

[Shooter Jones]

Guys, new idea. The CFP will expand to 8 teams, and when it does, eff super conferences, even a shitty Big 12 will get a spot every year. So let's consolidate/minimize into a form of the Big 8, round robin in all sports, no football champ game.

Something amazing like: Kansas, Kansas State, Missouri, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Colorado(force them to start baseball programs), and Texas.
Something shitty like: Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Iowa State, Texas Tech, Texas, Colorado State.

ANYONE EVER THOUGHT OF THAT? HUH?

[WildcatNation]

You guys are looking at this just from a FB perspective.  If the BigTen and SEC reach the point they are making $10-$15 million more after OU's tier 3, that affects the whole athletic department.  We suck at everything else.  Sure, every once in a while we jump up in baseball one year or get a couple good jumpers and are happy, but overall our AD is a huge joke.   Other schools don't accept that as long as they hit the budget like we do.  If it gets to the point where others can easily buy away the Patty Gassos with higher salaries and nicer facilities, then OU should leave.  It's not there yet, and I don't know it ever will in a sustainable manner, but if it does I won't blame OU at all for leaving.

Yea, I am looking at it from the FB perspective, so it's a narrow view and maybe I'm missing something out of sheer ignorance.

What's the likelihood that the Big Ten or SEC makes that much (10-15 mil) more than OU's tier 3?

In the absence of a value added new team, which I don't think realistically exists today, we should stay firm. The thing that OU and UT have now that they would not have in the SEC, for example, are teams that are fine just staying in their lane, so to speak. KSU, ISU, KU, WVU, TT, Baylor, etc. aren't going to say a damn thing to alienate OU or UT so they can essentially run the show, all the while the AD's and President's get together at their meetings and play nice, making it appear that this is some collective endeavor. Having that kind of authority won't be matched anywhere and that is worth something.

If you go read LandThieves, their entire issue with the Big 12 is their idea that Texas has more power than them (as they should) and they are not getting their way. They do not feel like they have the authority that Texas and Texas' minions (Tech, Baylor, TCU) have. They have turned into aggie in their head, who they ironically were making fun of for this exact same thing a few years ago during realignment.

[KITNfury]

You guys are looking at this just from a FB perspective.  If the BigTen and SEC reach the point they are making $10-$15 million more after OU's tier 3, that affects the whole athletic department.  We suck at everything else.  Sure, every once in a while we jump up in baseball one year or get a couple good jumpers and are happy, but overall our AD is a huge joke.   Other schools don't accept that as long as they hit the budget like we do.  If it gets to the point where others can easily buy away the Patty Gassos with higher salaries and nicer facilities, then OU should leave.  It's not there yet, and I don't know it ever will in a sustainable manner, but if it does I won't blame OU at all for leaving.

Good point. I'm sure OU would rather face 5 or so other football elites in order to get to the playoffs, instead of just Texas, in order to pay for their rough ridin' softball coaches.

[TheHamburglar]

You guys are looking at this just from a FB perspective.  If the BigTen and SEC reach the point they are making $10-$15 million more after OU's tier 3, that affects the whole athletic department.  We suck at everything else.  Sure, every once in a while we jump up in baseball one year or get a couple good jumpers and are happy, but overall our AD is a huge joke.   Other schools don't accept that as long as they hit the budget like we do.  If it gets to the point where others can easily buy away the Patty Gassos with higher salaries and nicer facilities, then OU should leave.  It's not there yet, and I don't know it ever will in a sustainable manner, but if it does I won't blame OU at all for leaving.

Good point. I'm sure OU would rather face 5 or so other football elites in order to get to the playoffs, instead of just Texas, in order to pay for their rough ridin' softball coaches.

Or maybe other schools don't have the same rough ridin' losery attitude KSU fans do and want to play program peers rather than having an easy path to the playoffs.

If the playoffs expanded to 8 and saved 1 spot for highest ranked non-P5 champ, would you rather stay on Big12 or go to Mountain West with easier path to that 1 spot?

[KITNfury]

Don't be a moron. OU wants to win championships. Getting to the playoffs affords them more opportunities to do so.

And I don't think K-State being in a crappy conference would make it easier for us to get there either.

[GoodForAnother]

OU wouldn't be an elite program if they weren't 3 hours from the DFW metroplex and now they've decided they hate Texas. Weirdos

[MakeItRain]

You guys are looking at this just from a FB perspective.  If the BigTen and SEC reach the point they are making $10-$15 million more after OU's tier 3, that affects the whole athletic department.  We suck at everything else.  Sure, every once in a while we jump up in baseball one year or get a couple good jumpers and are happy, but overall our AD is a huge joke.   Other schools don't accept that as long as they hit the budget like we do.  If it gets to the point where others can easily buy away the Patty Gassos with higher salaries and nicer facilities, then OU should leave.  It's not there yet, and I don't know it ever will in a sustainable manner, but if it does I won't blame OU at all for leaving.

Yea, I am looking at it from the FB perspective, so it's a narrow view and maybe I'm missing something out of sheer ignorance.

What's the likelihood that the Big Ten or SEC makes that much (10-15 mil) more than OU's tier 3?

In the absence of a value added new team, which I don't think realistically exists today, we should stay firm. The thing that OU and UT have now that they would not have in the SEC, for example, are teams that are fine just staying in their lane, so to speak. KSU, ISU, KU, WVU, TT, Baylor, etc. aren't going to say a damn thing to alienate OU or UT so they can essentially run the show, all the while the AD's and President's get together at their meetings and play nice, making it appear that this is some collective endeavor. Having that kind of authority won't be matched anywhere and that is worth something.

If you go read LandThieves, their entire issue with the Big 12 is their idea that Texas has more power than them (as they should) and they are not getting their way. They do not feel like they have the authority that Texas and Texas' minions (Tech, Baylor, TCU) have. They have turned into aggie in their head, who they ironically were making fun of for this exact same thing a few years ago during realignment.

It's hilarious that anyone would think anything other than OU would be treated like New Arkansas in the SEC.

"We hate UTs power"
"I know, lets go to a conference that has five schools that think they are as powerful as Texas"

[Clevey 2 Times]

You guys are looking at this just from a FB perspective.  If the BigTen and SEC reach the point they are making $10-$15 million more after OU's tier 3, that affects the whole athletic department.  We suck at everything else.  Sure, every once in a while we jump up in baseball one year or get a couple good jumpers and are happy, but overall our AD is a huge joke.   Other schools don't accept that as long as they hit the budget like we do.  If it gets to the point where others can easily buy away the Patty Gassos with higher salaries and nicer facilities, then OU should leave.  It's not there yet, and I don't know it ever will in a sustainable manner, but if it does I won't blame OU at all for leaving.

Yea, I am looking at it from the FB perspective, so it's a narrow view and maybe I'm missing something out of sheer ignorance.

What's the likelihood that the Big Ten or SEC makes that much (10-15 mil) more than OU's tier 3?

In the absence of a value added new team, which I don't think realistically exists today, we should stay firm. The thing that OU and UT have now that they would not have in the SEC, for example, are teams that are fine just staying in their lane, so to speak. KSU, ISU, KU, WVU, TT, Baylor, etc. aren't going to say a damn thing to alienate OU or UT so they can essentially run the show, all the while the AD's and President's get together at their meetings and play nice, making it appear that this is some collective endeavor. Having that kind of authority won't be matched anywhere and that is worth something.

If you go read LandThieves, their entire issue with the Big 12 is their idea that Texas has more power than them (as they should) and they are not getting their way. They do not feel like they have the authority that Texas and Texas' minions (Tech, Baylor, TCU) have. They have turned into aggie in their head, who they ironically were making fun of for this exact same thing a few years ago during realignment.

It's hilarious that anyone would think anything other than OU would be treated like New Arkansas in the SEC.

"We hate UTs power"
"I know, lets go to a conference that has five schools that think they are as powerful as Texas"

No crap, I bet 2/3 of the SEC thinks they are a class above OU. Why go deal with that power struggle if it is control/authority that you want? Texas is the only threat to power in the Big XII, the Texas minions just follow suit with UT I imagine. Let's hope that Boren, etc. are just whiny bitches with no intention of leaving. Just their way of feeling self important and getting a bone thrown their way every once in awhile. Meanwhile, they basically are a playoff contender every season.

[deputy dawg]

Meanwhile, they basically are a playoff contender every season.

Less likely in the SEC, and they know it.

[Katpappy]

Well I feel it in my bones!  we're going for four... Cincy, UCF, Colorado State and wait for it...the big UH of Texas!!!

[Clevey 2 Times]

Meanwhile, they basically are a playoff contender every season.

Less likely in the SEC, and they know it.

And I would think this is what keeps them in the Big XII

[sonofdaxjones]

The thing that persistently gets lost in all of this conference hand holding and equal sharing is, that not matter who much more money each school gets, the income inequality between the top and the bottom of each conference (from a total revenue perspective) is not going to change.    In the SEC for example, Ole' Miss and Miss State are likely never going to significantly close the tens upon tens of millions of dollars gap between them and the top revenue schools in the SEC.   

K-State isn't going to likely ever close the gap between itself and Texas (and for you KU lurkers, KU isn't going to either).    So no matter what, the top revenue schools are going to hold on to their financial lordship over the lessor revenue schools in each conference forever.    That's why I laugh when I read the arguments from fans at certain schools who say that in five or ten years they'll make X amount more then they made in the Big 12.   In reality, it likely won't make a damn bit a difference in the schools competitive position, and frankly moving conferences could weaken the competitive position substantially even though the school makes more money.    I guess they could start handing out total revenue national championships and conference championships. 




 

[schreds21]

The thing that persistently gets lost in all of this conference hand holding and equal sharing is, that not matter who much more money each school gets, the income inequality between the top and the bottom of each conference (from a total revenue perspective) is not going to change.    In the SEC for example, Ole' Miss and Miss State are likely never going to significantly close the tens upon tens of millions of dollars gap between them and the top revenue schools in the SEC.   

K-State isn't going to likely ever close the gap between itself and Texas (and for you KU lurkers, KU isn't going to either).    So no matter what, the top revenue schools are going to hold on to their financial lordship over the lessor revenue schools in each conference forever.    That's why I laugh when I read the arguments from fans at certain schools who say that in five or ten years they'll make X amount more then they made in the Big 12.   In reality, it likely won't make a damn bit a difference in the schools competitive position, and frankly moving conferences could weaken the competitive position substantially even though the school makes more money.    I guess they could start handing out total revenue national championships and conference championships.

Don't forget endowment championships, Dax.  They are really important too.

[KITNfury]

The thing that persistently gets lost in all of this conference hand holding and equal sharing is, that not matter who much more money each school gets, the income inequality between the top and the bottom of each conference (from a total revenue perspective) is not going to change.    In the SEC for example, Ole' Miss and Miss State are likely never going to significantly close the tens upon tens of millions of dollars gap between them and the top revenue schools in the SEC.   

K-State isn't going to likely ever close the gap between itself and Texas (and for you KU lurkers, KU isn't going to either).    So no matter what, the top revenue schools are going to hold on to their financial lordship over the lessor revenue schools in each conference forever.    That's why I laugh when I read the arguments from fans at certain schools who say that in five or ten years they'll make X amount more then they made in the Big 12.   In reality, it likely won't make a damn bit a difference in the schools competitive position, and frankly moving conferences could weaken the competitive position substantially even though the school makes more money.    I guess they could start handing out total revenue national championships and conference championships.

I think the problem isn't how OU/UT compares to ISU/KSU, or Alabama compares to Missippi State....it's how OU compares to Alabama in terms of income. The OUs of the world don't want to fall so far behind their "peers" that they lose a competitive advantage.





 



For the record, I dont' think they are, or will, but that's the "concern". All the same, gates/concessions/donations/etc bring in much more than TV (or should).